BajaNomad - Tourists of San Juanico and Rancheros say local police are extortionists

Tourists of San Juanico and Rancheros say local police are extortionists

gnukid - 8-30-2010 at 02:11 PM

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n1763356.htm

Turismo extranjero de San Juanico y rancheros, se dicen son extorsionados por policías locales
El Sudcaliforniano
30 de agosto de 2010

Jesús M. López Aguirre

CONSTITUCIÓN, BCS.- Ante esta redacción se han estado quejando turistas que vienen procedentes de San Juanico y La Purísima, manifestando que los agentes policiacos que se ubican en la comunidad de Villa Ignacio Zaragoza, buscan cualquier pretexto para pedirles una mochada, o de otra manera recogerles el vehículo o hacer una infracción que les costará muy caro, por lo que obligados casi tienen que darles cierta cantidad para que los dejen pasar.

De igual manera se quejan personas que viven en los ranchos de la zona norte, porque también se han visto perjudicados en estos "retenes" u "operativos" que realizan en el paso por esta comunidad, lo cual tiene molestos a los turistas, especialmente a los extranjeros que son a los que más molestan con esas actitudes al parecer fuera de la ley, porque no cumplen con lo legal y lo hacen en forma ilícita.

De igual manera también habitantes del Ejido Cinco y de ranchos aledaños se quejaron que son fáciles víctimas de algunos agentes policiacos, pues por cualquier motivo los paran y también les piden algo para no infraccionarlos; hacen un llamado a los jefes superiores para que investiguen al respecto y cambien la actitud de estos elementos que solamente están perjudicando a la corporación, asimismo están dando una mala imagen ante los turistas que vienen a este municipio que se caracteriza por ser hospitalario.

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San Juanico foreign tourism and ranchers say they are extorted by local police
El Sudcaliforniano The Sudcaliforniano
30 de agosto de 2010 August 30, 2010

Jesús M. Jesus M. López Aguirre López Aguirre

CONSTITUTION, BCS .- In this formulation have been complaining about tourists who come from San Juanico and La Purisima, stating that the police officers who are located in the community of Villa Ignacio Zaragoza, looking for any excuse to ask for a mocha, or other so pick up the vehicle or cause a breach that cost them dearly, as required almost have to give some amount to let them pass.

Similarly complain about people living on ranches in the north, because they also have suffered these "roadblocks" or "operative" who in the passage through this community, which is annoying to tourists, especially aliens who are the most upset with those attitudes apparently outlawed, because they fail to do what is legal and illicitly.

So also people of Ejido and ranches surrounding Five complained that they are easy victims of some police officers, because for whatever reason they stop them and ask for something for non-infringement, are calling on senior managers to investigate the matter and change the attitude of these elements are only hurting the corporation also are giving a bad reputation among tourists who come to this town which is known for being hospitable.

[Edited on 8-30-2010 by gnukid]

woody with a view - 8-30-2010 at 03:17 PM

baja is turning into a rotten mango...... how much longer can we continue to go before finding another avenue for our entertainment and money.....

i'm just sayin'.....

wessongroup - 8-30-2010 at 03:53 PM

Don't recall who posted about BCS being bankrupt.. but, if one has not been payed in three months.. well, think human survival is going to kick in... saw another fact, almost 80% of those in jail in TJ are in there for stealing....... FOOD

Saw that happen at Walmart in November of last year... we were getting cell phones near the exit doors in Rosarito, when the alarm went off... I watched what happened as the wife was taking care of the phones.. and I was just sitting in a chair.. somewhat near the exit..

A young man and woman ... early twenties.. they searched them and they had FOOD stuck inside their clothing .... Food...

Now in the states have seen folks getting popped... but for music CD's, new clothes, shoes.. things like that.. not food..

When I saw that, knew it was pretty bad down here for those who had been part of the "Boom".. in real estate down here.. and it would be getting a lot worse.. and it has.. evidenced by the amount of break in's and as mentioned the percentage of folks in jail for stealing food... pretty sorry state of affairs..

Must say it is no surprise that folks try to get to the states... they are trying to live..

What ya going to do down here in Baja, with no job, no money, no car, no unemployment, no house and no food... just lay in the street and die..

Someone was joking about the Vatican Bank.. and whether they were solvent...

Well, some of the Church's money should be used to feed some of its people who faithfully believe and contribute their meager peso into the offerings ...

Would think there is enough gold in some of those chairs, crowns and other artifacts which could feed starving people .....

The Sculpin - 8-30-2010 at 03:53 PM

Already have......I gave baja one more chance last month and spent a week at Punta Hughes. Mag Bay Tours runs a great operation there. So we flew in to Loreto and they picked us up in a van to San Carlos to wait for the boat. I was in San Carlos for only 12 hours, of which 10 of them was spent sleeping, and I still got ripped off!!!! I was incredulous! Running the all in numbers, it's cheaper to go to French Polynesia.......but there ain't no taco's there......sigh.....

Donjulio - 8-30-2010 at 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
Don't recall who posted about BCS being bankrupt.. but, if one has not been payed in three months.. well, think human survival is going to kick in... saw another fact, almost 80% of those in jail in TJ are in there for stealing....... FOOD

Saw that happen at Walmart in November of last year... we were getting cell phones near the exit doors in Rosarito, when the alarm went off... I watched what happened as the wife was taking care of the phones.. and I was just sitting in a chair.. somewhat near the exit..

A young man and woman ... early twenties.. they searched them and they had FOOD stuck inside their clothing .... Food...

Now in the states have seen folks getting popped... but for music CD's, new clothes, shoes.. things like that.. not food..

When I saw that, knew it was pretty bad down here for those who had been part of the "Boom".. in real estate down here.. and it would be getting a lot worse.. and it has.. evidenced by the amount of break in's and as mentioned the percentage of folks in jail for stealing food... pretty sorry state of affairs..

Must say it is no surprise that folks try to get to the states... they are trying to live..

What ya going to do down here in Baja, with no job, no money, no car, no unemployment, no house and no food... just lay in the street and die..

Someone was joking about the Vatican Bank.. and whether they were solvent...

Well, some of the Church's money should be used to feed some of its people who faithfully believe and contribute their meager peso into the offerings ...

Would think there is enough gold in some of those chairs, crowns and other artifacts which could feed starving people .....

This is right on. Remember next time passing through or staying in San Felipe that the San Felipe Food Bank can use your help. With tourism down 90% and fishing being off the last couple years, people are hungry.

BajaBlanca - 8-30-2010 at 08:14 PM

well well well ... I think it is fantastic that the locals wrote to the paper about the police rip-offs ! not that anything will happen to those cops, necesarily, but it is important to do it anyways. :yes:

@wessongroup - very sad that people were stealing food at walmart ... but why not apply for food stamps ? :?:

Baja does seem to be getting worse. :no:

woody with a view - 8-31-2010 at 05:57 AM

we'll be subjecting ourselves to random good times (and running the gauntlet!) in 39 day.....

k-rico - 8-31-2010 at 06:00 AM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
saw another fact, almost 80% of those in jail in TJ are in there for stealing....... FOOD

That's really hard to believe.

But your connecting the dots by guessing that the cops are resorting to bribes because they're not getting paid (if that's true) may be accurate. That does 2 things, puts necessary money in their pockets and pressures the gov to pay them.

I imagine BCS relies heavily on tourist revenue coming from Los Cabos. It's going to take a generation before tourism gets back to where it once was, if it ever does. I doubt it ever will up here in the north.

[Edited on 8-31-2010 by k-rico]

wessongroup - 8-31-2010 at 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by k-rico

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Originally posted by wessongroup
saw another fact, almost 80% of those in jail in TJ are in there for stealing....... FOOD

Thought the same, when I read the article, thought the jails were filled with "narco's" ...the story was about an individual who worked to help the poor folks in TJ.. Should have saved, as it was an inspiring story of someone with a very "big heart" .... A "Mother Teresa" of TJ... even thought it was a man.. who gave all their time "helping others"... we don't see too much of that.. best I can too.. is give to those with the cans... using have a few red crosses on our cars.. plus we give 5 dollars each time to the lady on Heros with the "disfigured right foot/leg" .... when we are at the light and to the guys with no legs that works the lines in SENTRI... wish I could do even more.. but, I know I can't support all the poor in TJ.. we also give to the Los Angeles Mission every year ... "but, for the grace of God... there go I"... we try... as do many others...

rob - 8-31-2010 at 08:25 AM

re Bajablanca - I am even more surprised that El Sudcalifornia printed the piece at all, guess someone didn't didn't pay their dues this month, or there are subtleties in El Sudcalifornia coverage that only Jesse and Gnukid fully understand - there are RARELY pieces that criticize the government as far as I can make out.

Maybe that is only true of State, La Paz and Cabo governments.

805gregg - 8-31-2010 at 07:00 PM

I already have went to Hawaii, and Seattle this year, Hawaii is way ahead of Baja as a destination, warm water warm friendly people and no crooked cops or gas station rip offs. You want to take a beautiful country and totally screw it up hire Mexicans to run it.

Donjulio - 8-31-2010 at 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
I already have went to Hawaii, and Seattle this year, Hawaii is way ahead of Baja as a destination, warm water warm friendly people and no crooked cops or gas station rip offs. You want to take a beautiful country and totally screw it up hire Mexicans to run it.

Have you noticed the politicians in the U.S. lately? They don't look like Mexicans to me.

Pappy Jon - 9-23-2010 at 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Donjulio

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Have you noticed the politicians in the U.S. lately? They don't look like Mexicans to me.

The governor of New Mexico does.

durrelllrobert - 9-24-2010 at 09:27 AM

The Welfare Dept. of Tijuana estimates there are 6000 homeless children in the streets of Tijuana. The Tijuana prison, originally designed to hold 1000 inmates, presently houses 6000 criminals. One problem is the Mexican prison system allows entire families to live in the prison population with criminal population. 350 CHILDREN now live in the Tijuana jail. :!:

durrelllrobert - 9-24-2010 at 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by k-rico

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But your connecting the dots by guessing that the cops are resorting to bribes because they're not getting paid (if that's true) may be accurate. That does 2 things, puts necessary money in their pockets and pressures the gov to pay them.
[Edited on 8-31-2010 by k-rico]

Mexican authorities said at a forum that drug-trafficking gangs pay around 1.27 billion pesos (some $100 million) a month in bribes to municipal police officers nationwide

Public Safety Secretary Genaro Garcia Luna said that figure was calculated based on perceptions of municipal officers themselves and an analysis of a list of cops recruited by the cartels that was found during a police operation.

“Organized crime pays some 1.27 billion pesos a month to municipal police, because that’s the portion of the salary the government does not pay the officers so they can live with dignity,” the high-ranking official said Friday.

Speaking on the final day of a meeting of the Association of Mexican Municipalities, or Ammac, held in the western port city of Puerto Vallarta, Garcia Luna said that of the country’s 165,510 municipal officers nationwide, just over 20 percent earns less than 1,000 pesos ($79) a month, while 60.9 percent earns no more than 4,000 pesos ($317) monthly.
:fire:

motoged - 9-24-2010 at 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
......Someone was joking about the Vatican Bank.. and whether they were solvent... Well, some of the Church's money should be used to feed some of its people who faithfully believe and contribute their meager peso into the offerings ... Would think there is enough gold in some of those chairs, crowns and other artifacts which could feed starving people .....

I read in yesterday's paper that the Italian gov't has frozen million$ in the Vatican bank under suspicion of money laundering...and this is not the first time such allegations have been made or acted on.

Poor old Jesus would be trashing the " markets" we call churches (as he did way back) if he saw how corporate "religion" steals from its followers.... :fire:

gauntlet 2

BFS - 9-24-2010 at 11:01 AM

I just ran the southern gauntlet (Constitucion) last weekend in both directions and was pulled over heading north. I followed the moto policia to the "station", but we never made it that far. Instead we pulled over somewhere and played the game. I was patient and didnt end up paying out any money and by the end of it we were laughing together.
Phew!

bajajazz - 9-24-2010 at 12:21 PM

Ten years after the passage of NAFTA, the rates of malnutrition, infant mortality and infant-failure-to-thrive (read: lack of food and medical care) had increased by approximately ten percent.

This was largely due to the influx of cheaply-produced, government-subsidized food crops flooding Mexico from companies like ADM and Cargill, wiping out of business Mexico's subsistance farmers.

Thank you, Bill Clinton, you miserable son of a b-tch.

woody with a view - 9-24-2010 at 07:52 PM

politicians have one thing in common.

they all SUCK!!!!

yes they can! drop dead..... vote them all out!

no GMO crops, either.....