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Pompano - 9-11-2010 at 03:48 AM

The point of this thread has been lost..which was to show respect for the fallen of 9-11. Too much bile and hatred.. I will take my leave ..and my post.



[Edited on 9-13-2010 by Pompano]

[Edited on 9-13-2010 by Pompano]

woody with a view - 9-11-2010 at 05:47 AM

RIP:saint:

dizzyspots - 9-11-2010 at 06:36 AM

lost 343 of my brother firefighters
RIP and Godspeed
we WILL rememember AND learn!

mulegejim - 9-11-2010 at 06:46 AM

Roger, thanks for starting this thread. Very sad day - I'll never forget it. We are having a little multi agency gathering for a memorial/remembrance here in San Clemente this afternoon at the Rib Trader. Jim (LAFD retired)

baitcast - 9-11-2010 at 07:41 AM

I need not to be reminded of that day,never ever will forget,I think of it often.
RIP

Skeet/Loreto - 9-11-2010 at 07:44 AM

May they all Rest In Peace.

Never ever let us Forget!

Iflyfish - 9-11-2010 at 08:00 AM

The day that changed America, etched indelibly in our minds and hearts.

Iflyfish

Bajafun777 - 9-11-2010 at 08:05 AM

Not only shall we not forget, we will never forgive such a sneaky dirtbag attack on us!:mad: All in the name of some nut that has a very large cult following that wants to kill everybody who are not in their nut case cult! WE SHALL remember alright and we also remember not one of these gutless cult mosque leaders came out saying how the bombings and beheadings which were happening were totally wrong!!:mad: These dirtbag leaders all support these gutless cult happenings and their ungodly actions towards other non-believers not of their cult!

More than a little upset over all the things that happened then and still going on now. We should have wiped Saudi donors off the map also and not focusing all of our military actions so hard on just Iraq! What the hell, oil and big corporations' money still rule us more than we care to admit. With strong remembering and never to forget, We shall stay strong and hopefully very watchful of these gutless cult leaders and followers!!

Now, I will get off my soap box and reflect on today in remembering those innocent victims of a gutless cult group and gutless coward leader still running from us. Take Care and Travel Safe.

DENNIS - 9-11-2010 at 08:05 AM

It's like it was yesterday. At the time the attack was underway, I was heading up 3 to Tecate, radio on, driving in stunned disbelief. It's the moment "Bin Ladin" became a household word.

RIP everybody who perished in that attack. Sometimes I think we forget too easily.....other times I think we just don't learn.

Won't forget

akmaxx - 9-11-2010 at 09:14 AM

After nine years the USA can't find a seven foot tall terrorist on dialysis?

I am a peaceful guy but I would still sleep soundly after putting two in Bin Laden's skull.

WTC 2001 0700.jpg - 50kB

elgatoloco - 9-11-2010 at 09:51 AM

It does feel like yesterday not nine years. RIP.

woody with a view - 9-11-2010 at 10:37 AM

just saw a story of an old man who kept passing up a spot on the elevator going down. when someone (who survived because of this old man) asked him why he wouldn't get on the elevator to the ground floor he replied,

"because i've lived my life already....."


:saint:What a Man!:saint:

Mexitron - 9-11-2010 at 11:16 AM

Thanks for the reminder Pompano...RIP.

gnukid - 9-11-2010 at 11:22 AM

Hopefully everyone will take a few minutes to consider 9/11.

A meeting took place at the National Pres Club of architects in NY on Sept 9th with many and engineers and architects contributing to scientific discussion.



[Edited on 9-11-2010 by gnukid]

sanquintinsince73 - 9-11-2010 at 12:53 PM

I too think of 9/11 often. I was a Sparkletts Water driver that day and after watching the attacks in our branch at around 5:00 am that day, I got sick to my stomach and just came home to hug my family. Of all the people who came together that day to help and the people aboard flight 93, one famous quote comes to mind :
"Uncommon valor was a common virtue". We will never forget those slaughtered by these cowards. Dios los bendiga. God bless America!!

The Sculpin - 9-11-2010 at 12:53 PM

Of all the things that had to go right to pull this monstrous thing off...it was just incredible. Or to put it another way, for these guys to pull it off everything had to go wrong - and it did. Bin Laden certainly did not expect the towers to go down so spectacularly. Now, the "gutless mosque leaders" - well, think about that one. You are part of an organization that is very centralized, and uses power to influence. All of a sudden one of the fringe of your group pulls this off - I guarantee you're going to sit on your hands! You want to survive, you don't move. As for the Saudi's - they're businessmen first, religious zealots last. Sure they could have been dealt with differently, but theres no reason to wipe them out - we need them too. As for the wars this attack brought - what a frickin disaster. The biggest mistake Bush made was to go to war. He could have accomplished so much more if he had ignored Rove's advice and kept the embargo/blockade going and then started a covert police action to go after al Queda - with extreme prejudice. He wouldn't have aliented our allies, he wouldn't have needed the Patriot Act, he wouldn't have bankrupted the country, he wouldn't have wasted lives, and whatever excess would have been required could have easily been denied or forgiven given the circumstances. History would probably have treated him far, far better. Instead, we now live in a world where the terrorists have basically achieved their goal, and it will take generations to rip the roots of their ignorance and hatred out of our society.:mad::fire::mad:

snorklebob - 9-11-2010 at 12:54 PM

Truly one of the darkest days in our history. Let's have a full and impartial investigation so that another tragedy like this does not
happen again. Still a lot of questions and not many satisfactory answers. :(

sanquintinsince73 - 9-11-2010 at 12:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by The Sculpin
Of all the things that had to go right to pull this monstrous thing off...it was just incredible. Or to put it another way, for these guys to pull it off everything had to go wrong - and it did. Bin Laden certainly did not expect the towers to go down so spectacularly. Now, the "gutless mosque leaders" - well, think about that one. You are part of an organization that is very centralized, and uses power to influence. All of a sudden one of the fringe of your group pulls this off - I guarantee you're going to sit on your hands! You want to survive, you don't move. As for the Saudi's - they're businessmen first, religious zealots last. Sure they could have been dealt with differently, but theres no reason to wipe them out - we need them too. As for the wars this attack brought - what a frickin disaster. The biggest mistake Bush made was to go to war. He could have accomplished so much more if he had ignored Rove's advice and kept the embargo/blockade going and then started a covert police action to go after al Queda - with extreme prejudice. He wouldn't have aliented our allies, he wouldn't have needed the Patriot Act, he wouldn't have bankrupted the country, he wouldn't have wasted lives, and whatever excess would have been required could have easily been denied or forgiven given the circumstances. History would probably have treated him far, far better. Instead, we now live in a world where the terrorists have basically achieved their goal, and it will take generations to rip the roots of their ignorance and hatred out of our society.:mad::fire::mad:

Very well stated.

Dave - 9-11-2010 at 01:03 PM

We were awoken by our neighbors and went to their house to watch the coverage.

When the first tower went down I exclaimed, "WOW, THAT'S INCREDIBLE!"... Immediately realizing the stupidity and insensitivity of my comments. To this day, I constantly relive that moment with sorrow and shame.

A few nights ago, I watched a 3 part documentary of the event. Two things really got to me:

A reporter describing the sound of jumpers hitting the ground and then later, amid the silence and devastation, the chirping of first responder beacons.

Heartwrenching.

Bajahowodd - 9-11-2010 at 01:08 PM

Well stated, but with one slight error. In reference to "gutless mosque leaders"-

Islam, unlike so many major world religions does not have a central authority. It's almost like "every iman for himself" in their interpretation of the Quran. There are huge numbers of Islamic leaders who vilify the terrorists. But, it's something akin to having every priest, minister or rabbi get a platform for their opinion.

24baja - 9-11-2010 at 01:27 PM

As did we. We will never forget and that day still brings tears to my eyes, I relive the horror everytime I see the photos or video. Connie & Brett

Quote:
Originally posted by dizzyspots
lost 343 of my brother firefighters
RIP and Godspeed
we WILL rememember AND learn!

Bajahowodd - 9-11-2010 at 03:26 PM

This to appear in tomorrow's Washington Post. By Ted Koppel.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09...

Bajafun777 - 9-11-2010 at 03:42 PM

Bajahowodd, I have seen Priest, Ministers and Rabbi stand up and speak out when they see that some wrong is or has been done badly to those in their communities. However, I have not seen one of these Iman in New York or anywhere else go on record saying how much of what these terrorists are doing are so wrong. If you know of just one then I stand corrected but I sure know of none! Remembering Those That Were Killed! Take Care and Travel Safe bajafun777

baitcast - 9-11-2010 at 04:10 PM

I to have been waiting for some response from the whole Islamic community but have seen nothing as yet??

Nothing but silence?
Rob

Bajahowodd - 9-11-2010 at 04:22 PM

On a certain level, it is weird. Not sure whether the US press hasn't gone after such stories, or whether there is a certain reticence on the part of the local imams. My feeling is that for some reason, the lazy press has not gone out to find these people. This brings me to the imam behind the Cordoba House. He has been actively outspoken on this issue. He has even worked with and for the us government. His project is not a mosque, but rather a community center containing multiple spaces for prayer and reflection for people of all religious faiths. Not to mention it will have a gym and basketball court. And, there has been a Muslim prayer facility right in the area since before the towers were built. I cannot be more offended that certain hateful interest groups have coined the term "Ground Zero Mosque". It has been done to only incite those with hate or fear in their hearts. Geez. Even closer to the actually World Trade site are a McDonald's, a Burger King and a ta ta bar. None of which, apparently besmirch the memory of the fallen???:?:

Bajahowodd - 9-11-2010 at 04:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by baitcast
I to have been waiting for some response from the whole Islamic community but have seen nothing as yet??

Nothing but silence?
Rob


And just how many Muslims do you know in Kingman?:rolleyes:

schwlind - 9-11-2010 at 04:36 PM

I have spent the entire day watching broadcasts about the most horrific attacks, I dare say, that America has ever endured. ... and have wept many bitter tears...

While Islam may not be our enemy... time and again events have shown those who are undoubtedly our worst enemies are of the Islam faith...

May God bless all those who perished that infamous day... bless and keep all their family and friends...and may God send to an infinite hell those who were responsible and who continue to pursue this fanatical hatred.

We will never, ever forget!

God bless America and all her peoples...
Linda

HowOdd ?

MrBillM - 9-11-2010 at 04:49 PM

Cannot be MORE Offended over the protests against the Ground-Zero Mosqueteers ? Nothing could offend him more ?

Now, THAT's Interesting and sort of, Well, Weird. For someone not even involved to have reached the LIMITS of Offense over that issue.

But, it begs the question, WHO gives a RattyAss whether he's that offended and to what extent will his feeling offended have any effect at all over the issue ?

AND, there's no statistical evidence that ANY sponsors of McDonalds or TitBars have applauded the destruction of the World Trade Center.


[Edited on 9-11-2010 by MrBillM]

The Sculpin - 9-11-2010 at 04:53 PM

Perhaps the silence of the imams and the muslim community is more akin to the ritual of shaming - to speak of it is to acknowledge it, and to then lend it credence, and then legitimacy. Granted, I have never heard this sentiment expressed but it may be so deep rooted in the islamic community that it is not easily expressed. As for our worst enemies there are many, and muslims certainly do not hold a special place in that crowd. Last, having no religion in my life, I find it rather amusing that the different faiths are willing to extend this battle to the alleged afterlife by condeming everyone to hell. This is a particularly human form of lunacy!!

Bajahowodd - 9-11-2010 at 05:14 PM

Thank you Sculpin. If anyone took the time to read Koppel's article, they just maybe might understand what's going on here. Bin Laden is out there somewhere gloating.

To get a little more specific about Ground Zero, I'm not so sure than any or many Nomads ever lived in Manhattan. I did. It is a somewhat narrow island that runs 14 miles from top to bottom. It is densely developed and densely populated. Anyone who lives in Manhattan would attest to the idea that a block is a country mile. There are distinct neighborhoods, coupled with neighborhood rivalries. My point is that given a couple of blocks, the neighborhood changes. That said, fact is that those who seem to be drumming up the biggest protest don't live anywhere near Manhattan. Mayor Bloomberg, a Jew, has and is supporting this project. On the other hand, Rupert Murdoch, an Australian, who only became a US citizen so he could acquire TV stations because US law won't allow foreigners to own broadcast facilities, is a primary fomenter of hate and fear. Methinks that Murdoch is guilty of sedition, at the very least. Friends, its all about money. The rich folks want to keep fomenting fear and anger amongst the middle class, as they pick your pocket. Never could understand poor and middle class folks voting Republican when it is, on its face, against their own self interest. But a good advertising campaign obviously works.

If any or all of you truly despise Bin Laden, then, you need to stop a useless and ultimately self-destructive campaign against Muslims, in general.

Anyone really believe that lunatic cult leader in Gainesville has something relevant to say?

estebanis - 9-11-2010 at 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano





[Edited on 9-11-2010 by Pompano]

Lisa Frost my good freind and co-workers daughter was on that second aircraft. She was coming home to Los Angeles with 2 degrees from Boston University.
RIP

monoloco - 9-11-2010 at 05:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
This to appear in tomorrow's Washington Post. By Ted Koppel.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09...
I think Koppel hit the nail on the head, if there was ever anything more tragic than 9-11 it was our response to it that squandered many more lives and drove our country towards bankruptcy. Our government played right into OBL's shamelessly transparent plot by sending thousands of our youths to their deaths and wasting trillions of dollars. Was he brilliant? Or were we stupid?

Cypress - 9-11-2010 at 05:34 PM

Yea, just turn the other cheek. That'll get us slapped again. Fact is, a large portion of the muslim world hates any and everybody that will not submit to their rule. Untill the rest of the muslims get rid of those sorry SOBs, they are enablers and accomplises. This will all come to a head when Iran builds a nuclear weapon.

monoloco - 9-11-2010 at 05:41 PM

Nobody's talking about turning the other cheek. Instead of going after the people responsible for 9-11 we diverted our attention to Iraq which was a secular Sunni country. Now that we have turned it into a chiite government they will be more closely aligned with Iran to our detriment.

Bajafun777 - 9-11-2010 at 05:55 PM

bajahowodd, I see some of your points and would even consider the possible shame thing, except numerous Muslims here along with Imans were claiming our government did this to the twin towers to provoke anger towards the Islamic religion. Now, that just really angers a lot of people and takes away the shame feelings to which I really doubt they had in the first place.
I know and have worked with Muslims and your right some good and bad like in all ethnic groups. However, most religions that I know of do not prompt you to go out and kill non-belivers of their religion, especially using terms like infidels. I also know of no other religion which writings say their heaven will reward you with a large number of female virgins for killing others.
Thus, I will keep the thought that this is a cult religion that has tried unsuccessfully to dominate and seeks to kill large groups of people in order to make their religion the only one present. Now, I do not think anyone can say that America encourages such things towards any religion not of Christian thinking, so a religion that encourages killing is just wrong. This is my opinion and stance on this, to which I will not waiver. However, I defend your right to think differently just not if it seeks to kill me,LOL. Take Care and Travel Safe------------------ bajafun777

Cypress - 9-11-2010 at 05:56 PM

Koppel is just another leftwing journalist. These guys will turn on a dime. If our country had conducted WWII the way this so called war on terror is being conducted we'd still be fighting Germany and Japan.

monoloco - 9-11-2010 at 06:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
Koppel is just another leftwing journalist. These guys will turn on a dime. If our country had conducted WWII the way this so called war on terror is being conducted we'd still be fighting Germany and Japan.
If you don't agree with the editorial you should say why instead of just dismissing the writer as another 'leftwing journalist".

Sunman - 9-11-2010 at 06:37 PM

Back on to the original topic, I attended a 9/11 remembrance ceremony and flag retirement ceremony today at a local VA home. The event was attended by veterans young and old, active duty from all branches of service as well as local emergency services personnel (all branches, fire, police, CHP, etc.) Quite a touching event and not a dry eye in the house (Taps gets me every time!)

It was humbling and made me proud to see such a tremendous turn out and to know that so many "regular folk" in our community DID NOT FORGET. As Pompano's orginal post states, we should never ever forget the atrocity that took place on our home soil and also remember there are a host of evil MF'ers just waiting for the chance to do it all over again. I can only hope that day never comes.

Today, I can truly say I have never been prouder of our resilience as a country and I think I'll raise my glass to that!

Cypress - 9-11-2010 at 07:22 PM

Why do I disagree with Koppel? He has no clue what the terrorist goals are. He built his whole opinion piece around a false premise. He's a reporter. Reporters used to just give us the news, now they feel qualified to think for us.

gnukid - 9-11-2010 at 08:12 PM

http://www.observer.com/2010/politics/untangling-new-intrigu...

Untangling the Bizarre CIA Links to the Ground Zero Mosque

By Mark Ames
September 10, 2010 | 2:36 p.m
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So far, the debate over the proposed Islamic center near Ground Zero has unfolded along predictable lines, with the man at the center of the project, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, drawing attacks from the right painting him as a terrorist sympathizer with ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

But meanwhile, links between the group behind the controversial mosque, the CIA and U.S. military establishment have gone unacknowledged.

For instance, one of the earliest backers of the nonprofit group, the Cordoba Initiative, that is spearheading the Ground Zero mosque, is a 52-year-old Scarsdale, New York, native named R. Leslie Deak. In addition to serving on the group's board of advisors since its founding in 2004 by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, Deak was its principal funder, donating $98,000 to the nonprofit between 2006 and 2008. This figure appears to represent organization's total operating budget—though, oddly, the group reported receipts of just a third of that total during the same time period.

Deak describes himself as a "Practicing Muslim with background in Christianity and Judaism, [with] in-depth personal and business experiences in the Middle East, living and working six months per year in Egypt." Born into a Christian home, Deak became an Orthodox Jew and married a Jewish woman before converting to Islam when he married his current wife, Moshira Soliman, with whom he now lives in Rye.

Leslie Deak's resume also notes his role as "business consultant" for Patriot Defense Group, LLC, a private defense contractor with offices in Winter Park, Florida, and in Tucson. The only names listed on the firm's website are those of its three "strategic advisers." These include retired four-star General Bryan "Doug" Brown, commander of the U.S. Special Operations Command until 2007, where he headed "all special operations forces, both active duty and reserve, leading the Global War On Terrorism," and James Pavitt, former deputy director for operations at the Central Intelligence Agency, where he "managed the CIA's globally deployed personnel and nearly half of its multi-billion dollar budget" and "served as head of America's Clandestine Service, the CIA's operational response to the attacks of September 11, 2001."

Besides Pavitt, Brown and a third advisor, banker Alexander Cappello, the Patriot Defense Group is so secretive it doesn't even name its management team, instead describing its anonymous CEO as a former Special Forces and State Department veteran, the group's managing director as a former CIA officer experienced in counter-terrorism in hostile environments and the group's corporate intelligence head as a "23-year veteran of the U.S. Secret Service who worked on the personal security details of former Presidents Bush and Clinton."



Leslie Deak and Moshira Soliman/ PanachePrive



Patriot Defense Group's primary business involves leveraging its government connections and know-how. The firm is divided into two divisions: one that "focuses exclusively on the needs of the U.S. military and law enforcement communities as well as the requirements of friendly foreign governments," and a corporate division, which "provides business intelligence and specialized security services to corporate clients and high net-worth family enterprises."

So, to recap: From 2006 to 2008, R. Leslie Deak worked as a "business consultant" to this super-secretive security contractor with ties to the CIA and counterterrorism forces, and in those same three years he also donated nearly $100,000 in seed money to the foundation now advocating the construction of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque.

Interestingly, during the same three-year period during which the Deak Family Foundation was financing the Cordoba Initiative, Deak also donated a total of $101,247 to something called the National Defense University Foundation. The National Defense University is a network of war and strategy colleges and research centers (including the National War College) funded by the Pentagon, designed to train specialists in military strategy. The organization recently announced a November 5 dinner gala in honor of Defense Secretary and former CIA chief Robert Gates. Sponsors include Northrup Grumman, Boeing, Lockheed Martin and...the Patriot Defense Group.

Deak also sits on the NDUF's board of directors, the chairman of which is Mark Treanor, the former general counsel for Wachovia bank from 1998 through its collapse in 2008 and a major bundler of campaign donations for the McCain-Palin ticket in 2008. Wachovia, now owned by Wells Fargo, was recently fined $160 million for laundering "at least $110 million" in Mexican drug money between 2003 and 2008, while Treanor was Wachovia's general counsel, though the figure is likely higher since Wachovia admitted it didn't put any controls on at least $420 billion—that's billion—in cash moved through its network of Mexico currency exchanges.

Which leads to another odd coincidence: Laundering money for drug lords is what brought down Deak & Co., the company run by Leslie Deak's father, Nicholas Deak, years ago. The elder Deak, a former top intelligence commander during World War II for the OSS (the forerunner of the CIA), was the founder of Deak-Perera, which became for a time one of the world's biggest foreign currency and gold dealers. But in 1984, a Presidential Commission on Organized Crime accused the firm of acting as a money laundering operation for Columbia drug cartels, who reportedly brought sacks of cash containing tens of millions of dollars into Deak's Manhattan offices. By the end of 1984, Deak & Co. had declared bankruptcy, and a year later, Nicholas Deak was murdered in the company's headquarters at 29 Broadway by a deranged homeless woman.

After the firm went bankrupt and Leslie Deak was left on his own, the corporation was broken up and sold off in pieces. One company that traces its beginnings to the defunct Deak empire is Goldline International, a business concern well known to fans of Glenn Beck as well as California investigators. Goldline is to Glenn Beck what General Electric was to Ronald Reagan: The company sponsors Beck's TV and radio shows as well as his touring act, and Beck is its public face. The Los Angeles County District Attorney's office, along with the Santa Monica City Attorney's office, are currently investigating Goldline for defrauding customers by railroading gullible customers into buying their most debased products.

Speaking of Glenn Beck, it has been reported that Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, the second-largest shareholder in News Corp., the parent company Fox News, which airs Beck's program, is also a major funder of Imam Rauf's projects, as Jon Stewart viewers heard all about last week.

Coincidences happen, of course. (For instance, Pamela Geller, the blogger who's become the leading voice denouncing the mosque project was once, bizarrely enough, associate publisher of The New York Observer.)

But add to this array of unexpected connections the work of Imam Rauf on behalf of the U.S. government—which includes serving as an FBI "consultant" and being recruited as a spokesperson by longtime George W. Bush confidante Karen Hughes, who headed up the administration's propaganda efforts in the Muslim world—and a compelling picture begins to emerge. Bush's favorite Imam, with backing from a funder with connections to the CIA, the Pentagon and the currency trading company that now sponsors rightwing firebrand Glenn Beck, proposes to build a mosque around the corner from the site of the most devastating terrorist attack ever visited on America. In the name of "[cultivating] understanding among all religions and cultures," he puts forth a project that offends a majority of Americans and deals a significant setback to the broader acceptance of Muslim-Americans. It's a little like Billy "White Shoes" Johnson claiming the only reason he moonwalks after scoring a touchdown is to lower tensions on the football field and raise the other team's spirits.

Whether the Cordoba Initiative ever gets its way with the Ground Zero Mosque, it may well have a lasting legacy at odds with its stated intention: By damaging the very moderates and progressives who actually view New York, and the nation as a whole, as a tolerant melting pot, and strengthening the position demagogues on both sides, it will almost certainly deal a setback to interfaith relations. It will also help to hobble the Democratic party. Which just might have been the point all along.

Either that, or it's merely a coincidence that this controversy has erupted now, during crucial mid-term elections. In which case we can all go back to what we were doing before—either denouncing the Park51 Mosque as an affront to Americans, or championing it as a symbol of our fundamental rights-playing our accustomed roles in a drama that seems too perfect, somehow, to believe.

Gnu Retains the Championship ...........

MrBillM - 9-11-2010 at 09:33 PM

............ Of Copy and Paste Pedantic Laborious Conspiratorial Edification and Instruction.

He, along with Loco and others, no doubt receives daily Encrypted Top-Level communiques from the Inner Council, has an official Elite Decoder Ring and long ago mastered the Illuminati Secret Handshake.

No one else need attempt to compete.

I certainly won't.

One last thought regarding the 9/11 retrospective, though.

I haven't watched it nonstop today since I saw it all the first time around, BUT one thing I have noticed is that there seemed to have been a lack of the widespread Jubilation in the Arab streets coverage that we saw back then.

Perhaps I just missed it. Anyone else see it ?

elgatoloco - 9-11-2010 at 11:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano
This is in remembrance of the thousands murdered by terrorists 9 years ago....and just that.


Amen.

sanquintinsince73 - 9-11-2010 at 11:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
On a certain level, it is weird. Not sure whether the US press hasn't gone after such stories, or whether there is a certain reticence on the part of the local imams. My feeling is that for some reason, the lazy press has not gone out to find these people. This brings me to the imam behind the Cordoba House. He has been actively outspoken on this issue. He has even worked with and for the us government. His project is not a mosque, but rather a community center containing multiple spaces for prayer and reflection for people of all religious faiths. Not to mention it will have a gym and basketball court. And, there has been a Muslim prayer facility right in the area since before the towers were built. I cannot be more offended that certain hateful interest groups have coined the term "Ground Zero Mosque". It has been done to only incite those with hate or fear in their hearts. Geez. Even closer to the actually World Trade site are a McDonald's, a Burger King and a ta ta bar. None of which, apparently besmirch the memory of the fallen???:?:

Who's the basketball court for, Obama?

Bajajorge - 9-12-2010 at 08:46 AM

We should never forget 9/11, but we should also never forget the people that are working tirelessly to keep us safe from that not happening again. And never forget those that are fighting and dieing in those so called peace loving Muslim countrys to also keep us safe.

Remembering WHAT motivated the Murderers

MrBillM - 9-12-2010 at 09:08 AM

The month AFTER the 9/11 attack, 39 percent of the American People held an unfavorable opinion of Moslems.

The latest national poll shows an increase in the unfavorable to 49 percent.

It's refreshing to see that those who realize WHERE the hatred comes from is increasing.

wessongroup - 9-12-2010 at 09:17 AM

Hell, looks like someone should just threaten to burn the book once a month.. seems it creates all kinds of havoc in the thinking of those Moderate Islamic folks..

See this morning from the, AP, there were two killed .. in a "protest" over the proposed burning..

Oh, yeah.. they were chanting "Death to America"... sounds pretty moderate to me... never heard that before now have we, nor the cheering people in the streets after hearing about the Twin Towers going down in N.Y..

Wow... just wonder what would happen if .....

Sorry MrBillM.. did not read your post... above.. yes I do remember the happy faces in the streets ... of moderate Islam... rejoicing in the street

[Edited on 9-12-2010 by wessongroup]

Skipjack Joe - 9-12-2010 at 09:21 AM

There's enough hatred on this thread to match anything overseas.

Bajafun777 - 9-12-2010 at 09:49 AM

Skipjack Joe, I think what those of us that have strong feelings about the hatred and crazy jerks that see their 72 virgins as more important than the lives they snuff out!! Don't hate muslims but the Islamic religion preaching of the Koran/Quran clearly directs the killing of infidels, which is US if you are not of their religion, so take it as you will.
A number of us here feel for the families losses in the Twin Towers and those that fought the brave fight that went down in a field instead of where the terrorists wanted it to go. We will keep a close EYE and be prepared hopefully to defend ourselves. The difference with an America invasion is that someone coming in trying to take us over by force will find too many of us are armed! Not only that but with know how of how to use our weapons, bet your booty on that,LOL!!
Hatred, no just not accepting they love us and want our way of life to continue! Get the new energy fuel supplies going on these new invention and natural gas, then let them all eat their SAND! Now, again I don't hate them but I damn sure do not love them either--- BURN OUR FLAG LOOSE MY UNDERSTANDING OR ACCEPTANCE OF ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY!! Take Care and Travel Safe--bajafun777

Matching Hatred ?

MrBillM - 9-12-2010 at 10:03 AM

? Skipjack says:

" There's enough hatred on this thread to match anything overseas ".

Yeah, Sure, you Betcha.

Look at all the Violence being generated and the danger of Blood in the streets. Moslems in America are hiding in their homes afraid to walk the streets for fear of having crazed Nomads detonate Bombs or Decapitate them on Camera for other Nomads to celebrate over.

As Alan Colmes would say, It's the Same Thing.

Crazy Dang people "musing" over burning a Koran and the other side actually burning infidels. Or, anybody else who happens to be handy.

Even that so-called "Moderate" Moslem we're paying to travel the Moslem world in our behalf said that America has to share in the blame for 9/11 having created the atmosphere.

BullScheisse.

The Islamists picked the fight, murdering thousands. It should NEVER be Forgotten and NEVER Forgiven.

[Edited on 9-12-2010 by MrBillM]

gnukid - 9-12-2010 at 10:50 AM

Today is a great opportunity to look into what we know. Drop the anger and emotion pointed at innocent campers or innocent people and consider the science.

Within a few hours they said 18 arabs led by Bin Laden did it, then later the FBI said no evidence to indite Bin Laden, the named Arabs were not listed on flight lists nor is the any photo evidence to show them at the airport or on planes? Why?

Mohamed Atta was named the ringleader,his passport was claimed to be found in tact on the ground of WTC. Who is Atta?

We attacked Iraq and Afghanistan and now blame Muslims but didn't blame them for 911?

They say the three buildings fell down due to two being hit by a planes and the fires, but Building 7 wasn't hit by a plane and had little fire?

Never in history has any steel building fell due to fire, nor do buildings fall within their own footprint at freefall.

6 of the 911 Commission members have asked for a investigation as they feel their investigation was limited and failed to answer questions about what happened.

sanquintinsince73 - 9-12-2010 at 01:36 PM

Man, this thread went south in a heartbeat. Overall I think that the memories of those that perished were honored by each of us in our way. I did watch the 9/11 specials all day and so did my young ones. It was important for me to have Louis & Leah (9 & 6) watch this on television so that they'll understand that there are evil people in this world and that the ultimate goal of Islam is to be the true and only world religion.

Bajafun777 - 9-12-2010 at 05:20 PM

gnukid, Where did you get such B.S. from?? In the first few hours after the Twin Towers a lot of misinformation came out and apparently you still are using it. It is what it is and yes the nuts named did it and yes we fell short on it to allow it to happen. Take Care & Travel Safe bajafun777

Cypress - 9-12-2010 at 05:36 PM

RIP 9/1/11 victims. Your needless deaths will be avenged. If that's a highjack, so be it.:(

motoged - 9-12-2010 at 07:00 PM

Tautophony:?: Sheesh, a minute ago this thread was titled "chocolate chip cookies"....(no, I won't repeat that)

As a Canadian witnessing the events of 9=11 on tv, I shared the horror and disbelief....and have been traumatized as a have many of you.

I am not convinced that all is as has been presented....and doubt the truth about events of that day will come to light for some time...

Response was poorly handled and has only deepened the wound of difference...

Gnu presented info that must be considered....don't shoot the messenger just because you can't wrap your mind around the message.


Oh, where are the cookies?

Darn, I did repeat myself

[Edited on 9-13-2010 by motoged]

ELINVESTIG8R - 9-12-2010 at 07:08 PM



I will never forget this horrific incident as long as I live. On 9/10/2001 I flew into SeaTac Airport on my way to do an investigation in some small little town in Washington State. The following day while interviewing a person at their home, suddenly the television that had been on some channel began breaking the news of the tragedy. Over several hours while I was interviewing people at several different homes all of the televisions were tuned to the destruction.

I remember how sick I felt knowing that some terrorist group could get into our country and cause so such devastation. I ended up being stranded a few days until they cleared the air for flights. Even after they cleared the air, flights were still hard to arrange. I am thankful for our freedom but I think we need to tighten it up on immigration issues so we make it much harder for people who want to kill us to get in.

This lithograph was made by the daughter of an Investigator friend of mine right after 9/11. It is very descriptive of what happened. She made forty of them for the United Way and they went fast!

toneart - 9-12-2010 at 08:22 PM

Pompano (Roger) is a friend. His post was not political. It was to remember the victims of 911. That fateful day was an emotional event for all of us, regardless of our ideology. Roger has a big heart and obviously was disturbed at the way the string went south.

However, that is what happens on the Baja Nomad. :mad: I wish it were otherwise. Such an earth changing event, of course, triggers stream-of-consciousness, thoughts. Political opinions that cause emotional hurt are not exclusive to any one party. They are, in my opinion, inappropriate in regards to this topic. I DO understand why Roger withdrew his initial post.

Thank you for your post, Roger!

With reverence, RIP to the victims.

DENNIS - 9-12-2010 at 08:35 PM

I don't believe it possible to think of so much mayhem and death without wondering why. Questioning has it's place in the grieving process. It's a step toward closure.

Iflyfish - 9-13-2010 at 07:53 AM

We all are and have experienced Post Traumatic Stress from this horrible incident. I am not surprised to see the outpouring of memories, grief and anger. A horrible thing happened to all of the victims of that tragedy. We are all victims of that terrible act of terrorism.

I appreciate Pompano's posting on this topic, a simple request to remember those who died that fateful day. Those who die are often lost in the rhetoric that follows and their loss is beyond measure.

This is a very sore wound, one that scars our collective consciousness and in many ways will never fully heal. On occasion these feelings will come up again and we experience grief. Along with that grief comes questions, an attempt on our parts to make sense of the senseless, we try to make the thing whole by getting our minds around it, anger that this could happen, and under it all a powerful sense of impotence and sadness, deep sadness. It is far easier to be angry than to be sad. We all deal with our sadness differently.

Thank you Pompano for honoring those who died and to all Nomads who are trying in these posts to come to some understanding, resolve about this horrible tragedy that has so profoundly affected us all.

God Bless America and all of us. We will never forget.

Iflyfish

Dear Pompano, I Really, Really Heart You

Gypsy Jan - 9-13-2010 at 09:35 AM

With all due respect to Co-pilot, of course.

Tautophony - "Excessive repetition of the same [thing]."

"The unpleasant effect of tautophony will be readily perceived in the following sentences: 'The general ordered the captain to order the soldiers to observe good order.'--'We went in an enormous car.' By a substitution of synonyms . . . we avoid the unpleasant repetitions in these passages, and increase their strength: 'The general directed the captain to command the soldiers to observe good order.'--'We went in a large car.'"
(G. P. Quackenbos, Advanced Course of Composition and Rhetoric, 1889)

slimshady - 9-13-2010 at 12:15 PM

After 9-11 and the Iraq invasion, I had the opportunity to talk with many locals in Baja Sur. One thing I noticed is that they supported the underdogs(arabs), that it was horrible that the towers came down, but that it was about time the U.S. got humbled. It kind of shocked me that they felt this way, but it was their opinion.

Perhaps some of you might have experienced this opinion.

DENNIS - 9-13-2010 at 01:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by slimshady
After 9-11 and the Iraq invasion, I had the opportunity to talk with many locals in Baja Sur. One thing I noticed is that they supported the underdogs(arabs), that it was horrible that the towers came down, but that it was about time the U.S. got humbled. It kind of shocked me that they felt this way, but it was their opinion.

Perhaps some of you might have experienced this opinion.


I knew better than to ask. Given their glee over the event, how do you think they felt about you, but were too much the " Gracious Mexican" to tell you?

slimshady - 9-13-2010 at 06:03 PM

Actually Dennis, They told me how they felt. I am not a "gringo". They treat me a lot more different than they treat their local gringo. I speak spanish and portuguese and look spanish. So its not like I am walking down the street asking random people what they think about 9-11. Yes it may be important to you and others, but in Baja I can assure you people could really care less. They have other things to worry about.

Skipjack Joe - 9-13-2010 at 11:08 PM

One of the greater motif's of threads like this one is patriotism. I was perusing youtube this evening and came across this rendition of La'Marseillaise. Although I don't understand a word of French the pride, devotion, fervor, defiance, and emotion of the lady shows, in my opinion, the best qualities of patriotism.