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Pancho Villa

jrbaja - 7-28-2004 at 01:38 PM

We've all heard of him and we've all heard of George Patton.
I just found out that George gained his fame which eventually led to his career by fighting Pancho Villa in Mexico.
AA,? got any details?

Found this to be very interesting reading...

Herb - 7-28-2004 at 03:06 PM

http://www.hsgng.org/pages/pancho.htm

Mexitron - 7-28-2004 at 05:23 PM

Thanks for the link and the history lesson...

Walter Nordhoff(Author-The Journey of the Flame) was involved in The International Company in Baja around the Maneadero area. They had built a modern dairy farm in the area. Apparently, when Pancho Villa(or at least his men) came through the area(perhaps at the same time they burned the Meling Ranch down) Walter was told that normally Americans were to be murdered on the spot but that the local Mexicans had spoken up on his behalf...he was given 24 hours to leave Mexico and was to take nothing with them.
That's the gist anyway--Taco de Baja may be able to add or clarify....

Taco de Baja - 8-1-2004 at 09:52 AM

Yes,
Great history lesson. Pancho sounds a lot like Osama, attacking the gringos because we slighted him, hiding in inaccessible mountains, revered by the local people.....

As for the Nordhoffs, what Mexitron said was correct. They were given 24 hours to leave, because they had been so good to the locals, rather then being killed on the spot.

JESSE - 8-1-2004 at 02:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jrbaja
We've all heard of him and we've all heard of George Patton.
I just found out that George gained his fame which eventually led to his career by fighting Pancho Villa in Mexico.
AA,? got any details?


Not fighting Jr, looking for him, as far as i know no american army ever got to actually fight him directly, the bandido was pretty good at hit and run.

Pancho villa

academicanarchist - 8-3-2004 at 07:13 AM

There were several groups trying to claim power in Mexico during the revolution, and Villa (Doroteo Arango) has been demonized since he was on the loosing side and was later gunned down in Chihuahua. In 1916 he raided Columbus, New Mexico. I don't condone his action, but at the same time Woodrow Wilson was playing favorites in the conflict despite claiming neutrality and prohibiting the provision of weapons to Villa. In response, Wilson sent an expedition into northern Mexico lead by Black Jack Pershing, who later commanded U.S. forces in France after the U.S. entered WWl. Pershing failed to track down Villa, and the expedition cost millions and accomplished nothing. It has been asserted after the fact, as a way of face saving, that it prepared the U.S. army for action in WWl, which is as lame as Bush claiming that there was a connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda before the invasion of Iraq.

bajalera - 8-4-2004 at 06:35 PM

Steve spent a couple of summers working at a little village in Michoacan, and the guys who lived there were firmly convinced that US Immigration won't allow any Mexican named Pancho Villa to enter the U.S. They also found it hard to believe that there's a little park with Villa's name on it in Columbia.

bajalera