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Skeet/Loreto - 9-20-2010 at 02:51 PM

Hey! Where are the New Generation of Baja Adventurers??

We need some very good , Young, Honest Kids to fet a good Boat, well ewuipted and start out at San Felipe.

Tell the Story of the Tortuva, the past Shrimp Industry.
Work their way South Fish and record all of the differences in Water/Tide etc.

Be Honest and Factual!!

They would have to spend at least a year, following the guidelines of The Log of the Sea of Cortez, Ray Cannons Sea of Cortez and otrhers.. I think it would make a great Seller as there will always be someone who wants to Adventure!!

Comon you Youngsters ! Step up to the Plate! Change your Life! Put your Heart in it!! Take a Risk!!

I did it and it was the Best time of my Life.

You can do It !!!!

DENNIS - 9-20-2010 at 02:56 PM

Tell them you're going to Pee Test every single one of them, Skeet. Don't want no DOPERS infiltrating this intrepid group.
If I were a youngster, I'd drop everything and be on board. :biggrin:

MsTerieus - 9-20-2010 at 02:58 PM

They're all on the NEW Baja Sur forum; check it out!!!

DENNIS - 9-20-2010 at 02:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsTerieus
They're all on the NEW Baja Sur forum; check it out!!!



Northern riff-raff has been denied access.

k-rico - 9-20-2010 at 03:01 PM

Better put your idea on a different message board Skeet. This message board has occasional threads about how to make the font size larger, which I appreciate.:D


[Edited on 9-20-2010 by k-rico]

Pompano - 9-20-2010 at 03:21 PM

"Sign me up, Skeet. I'm revved and ready..

...just give a minute .... I'll be right with you...just one little minute mo......zz"



mcfez - 9-20-2010 at 03:26 PM

I get more laughs here at the forum that I do from the Comedy Channel!

Pompano.....you missed your true calling in life...you should had been on stage.

sanquintinsince73 - 9-20-2010 at 03:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Hey! Where are the New Generation of Baja Adventurers??

We need some very good , Young, Honest Kids to fet a good Boat, well ewuipted and start out at San Felipe.

Tell the Story of the Tortuva, the past Shrimp Industry.
Work their way South Fish and record all of the differences in Water/Tide etc.

Be Honest and Factual!!

They would have to spend at least a year, following the guidelines of The Log of the Sea of Cortez, Ray Cannons Sea of Cortez and otrhers.. I think it would make a great Seller as there will always be someone who wants to Adventure!!

Comon you Youngsters ! Step up to the Plate! Change your Life! Put your Heart in it!! Take a Risk!!

I did it and it was the Best time of my Life.

You can do It !!!!

Hell Skeet, you raise my kids for a year and I'll take the job. I am Mr. Mom during the day so you'd have to drive them to IB every morning for school. I'd have to take Dennis though, I may get bored or fall asleep at the wheel. Plus he may be of some assistance if we get boatjacked by some seņoritas.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-20-2010 at 03:30 PM

Great Pomp!!
You know what I am talking about!
If I was 49 again I would beg, borrow, or Steal a 30 Foot disel towing a Panga and start out at San Fleipe. Telling the stiry about what Happened , then South to Bay of Los angeles, then to Loreto then to then still unexplored Area South of Agua Verfe.

It would make a great Adventure Where are those people of the New Generation?? Step up to the Plate. Spend some of your parents Money. Live!

You cannot imagine the fun you will have.! You surely will not ever have to have DOPE. It will be a High that you will never Forget!!

I will gladly help all that I can.

Skeet

Skeet/Loreto - 9-20-2010 at 03:56 PM

San Qunitin: I will do it!

First thing in the Moring they help Scoop Poop from the Stalls. nexr they have to jelp did Cactus out of the pasture.

Then I will take them to a Gloden Gloves Bosing lesson0To teach them how to Fight_ next to School where if they are Naughty they will get their little Butt Spanked, then off to an afternoon of Riding Horses or Mules, then back to cleaning the stalls and then to a final lesson of Brotherly Truth and Releif/

Com on!!

DENNIS - 9-20-2010 at 04:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
and then to a final lesson of Brotherly Truth and Releif/



How does that one work, Skeet? Sounds like toilet training.

motoged - 9-20-2010 at 04:03 PM

Hmmmm....

Skeet shuda spent mor time in skool than shuvling chit...kood hav lernt to spel bttre:lol:


But I appreciate the reminiscing part

DENNIS - 9-20-2010 at 04:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged

Skeet shuda spent mor time in skool than shuvling poo...kood hav lernt to spel bttre:lol:





Yeah....today is more cryptic than most others.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-20-2010 at 04:18 PM

No! I had a Two Eyed Tequilla as I was smoking some Chicken Wings!

No DOPERS just good Honest Youngsters who would like to Risk their Time and have a Great Time in their Life.

What is wrong with the New Generation?? Just set around, Text and Twitter and never enjoyLife??

Wish I was 40 years Younger!

Skeet

sancho - 9-20-2010 at 04:29 PM

Wonder how many of this board readers even know some of
the names like T Miller, E Baxter, Cannon, J Krutch,
even the more recent Baja heavy weights
like G Mackintosh and G Kira? Skeet, I think the
Adventurers' by the seat of your pants' Baja participents
may be, for the MOST part. be a thing of the past.
Back when the gas station at Sta Rosalia would run out of
gas for a few days and when the ONLY info available was a AAA map. No good info like bajanomad. to ease one down
Hwy 1, there was virtually no current accurate info on baja.
When you had to go to a Pharmacy to have them dial
back to the US. Now GPS. cell phones, self service gas stations, you young whipper snappers sure have it
easy compared to' back in the day'

mtgoat666 - 9-20-2010 at 04:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Hey! Where are the New Generation of Baja Adventurers??

We need some very good , Young, Honest Kids to fet a good Boat, well ewuipted and start out at San Felipe.

Tell the Story of the Tortuva, the past Shrimp Industry.
Work their way South Fish and record all of the differences in Water/Tide etc.

Be Honest and Factual!!

They would have to spend at least a year, following the guidelines of The Log of the Sea of Cortez, Ray Cannons Sea of Cortez and otrhers.. I think it would make a great Seller as there will always be someone who wants to Adventure!!

Comon you Youngsters ! Step up to the Plate! Change your Life! Put your Heart in it!! Take a Risk!!


MoSkeeter,
Is this going to be a reality show like "survivor" or "the bachelor."
Perhaps this journey would make a good subject for a road movie like "harold and kumar go to white castle" or "dude, where did i park my car?"
A boat full of us youth needs a chaperone so we don't get delayed by fornicating and smoking dope,... skeet, will come and chaperone us? you know us youth, we are all full of hormones and we lack impulse control. you can be the grandfatherly type that offers advice, which us youth will ignore but in end we will learn our lesson.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-20-2010 at 04:38 PM

No! Just some good Kids that would like to have an Adventure!!

They do not have to be Pre=Screened just make sure they are not the Sierra Club Types.

Would like to see some with a gleam in their Eyes , wanting to Investigate and Learn, taking a Risk. No need to have me as a Chaprone, Approach the Risk, then make their Decision and "Go for it'!!

I am sure there are Youngsters put there that can do a Good Job. They do Not need DOPE! Just a Desire to see something New and Different.

Where are You ???

bacquito - 9-20-2010 at 05:51 PM

Quote:
Comon you Youngsters ! Step up to the Plate! Change your Life! Put your Heart in it!! Take a Risk!!

I did it and it was the Best time of my Life.

You can do It !!!!


What about us old pharts?

David K - 9-20-2010 at 07:42 PM

Baja is still an adventure and full of new discoveries... We just had more last weekend. Trip report coming!

Oh, Sancho... those are great folks...
I met all except Baxter (he may have been standing next to Tom at a boat show, however) and Krutch. There are more... the biggest influence on those of us who went into Baja before pavement was Howard Gulick (with Peter Gerhard) as the author and map maker for the Lower California Guidebook (1956-1970 editions). Then Walt Wheelock with his La Siesta Baja books and his revised Baja California Guidebook (1975 & 1980). Cliff Cross was another biggie with his Baja Guide and bird's-eye view maps... 1970-1975 editions.

ddawson - 9-20-2010 at 08:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

No DOPERS just good Honest Youngsters who would like to Risk their Time and have a Great Time in their Life.

What is wrong with the New Generation?? Just set around, Text and Twitter and never enjoyLife??

Wish I was 40 years Younger!

Skeet


Ha I am 26, 100% drug free, work hard, and love Baja. Where do I sign up? I think this is a great idea. Sorry for the lack of posts, but I couldn't resist this one ;)

There are a lot of problems with kids these days ranging from apathy, instant gratification needs, fear of the unknown, to society's pressures to be successful, or parental pressures. I think that most kids are so concerned with seeking success or parental approval that they forget to go enjoy themselves and have an adventure.

The next problem is that the few who do go out there and seek adventure, normally baja is not the destination of choice. It is too close to the US and most consider it dangerous. Most go to Southeast Asia, or over to Europe. I have also heard from a bunch of my friends that "Baja will always be there." People who haven't been to Baja don't know what they are missing!

I am fortunate to have been going to Baja from a young age, and although there are not many of us, please do not count the young guys out!

kaybaj - 9-20-2010 at 08:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sancho
Wonder how many of this board readers even know some of
the names like T Miller, E Baxter, Cannon, J Krutch,
even the more recent Baja heavy weights
like G Mackintosh and G Kira? Skeet, I think the
Adventurers' by the seat of your pants' Baja participents
may be, for the MOST part. be a thing of the past.
Back when the gas station at Sta Rosalia would run out of
gas for a few days and when the ONLY info available was a AAA map. No good info like bajanomad. to ease one down
Hwy 1, there was virtually no current accurate info on baja.
When you had to go to a Pharmacy to have them dial
back to the US. Now GPS. cell phones, self service gas stations, you young whipper snappers sure have it
easy compared to' back in the day'


yes Joseph Wood Krutch, and don't forget Arthur W. North

Santiago - 9-20-2010 at 08:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No! I had a Two Eyed Tequilla as I was smoking some Chicken Wings!
Skeet


And to think I've spent my whole life simply eating them. It never occurred to me to try and smoke them.

capt. mike - 9-21-2010 at 04:49 AM

who cares about apathy??

Skeet/Loreto - 9-21-2010 at 06:24 AM

Thanks to all the Positive Interest.

Someone with the right Connections could form up a No Profit, go under the Cloak of Research of Fish and lobsters and probably get some Govt. Money, to do this.
Do Film and Writtin stuff.

I know there are people out there who have the desire and Ability to do. Just need to stimulate them.

Thanks

Skeet

Skeet/Loreto - 9-21-2010 at 07:43 AM

And you knw Soulpatch when we find one of those youngsters that do not Worship the Accumliation of MONEY we will find our Adventuer!!

And a lot of that area from Bay of Los Angeles South to La Paz is still untouched.
Whales, Dolphins, Yellowtail ,Shark and all the different Birds.!

KurtG - 9-21-2010 at 08:07 AM

The younger folk I meet in Baja (and there are plenty of them) are too busy out doing stuff to pay any attention to the complaints of grumpy old farts here who want to talk about "back in the day."

drarroyo - 9-21-2010 at 08:10 AM

yaaaaaawn

Skeet/Loreto - 9-21-2010 at 08:31 AM

KurtG

Sometimes one of those Youngsters will here or see something that "The Grumphy old Fart" was talking about and will decide to find out on his own"What is out there, instead of setting around on his Butt playing with a Cell Phone.

I don,t want to talk about the Past. I want someone with an inquiring Mind to "Adventure" get out of the Rut, Swim with the Doplhins with out someone else controlling them, Touch a Whale from your own Panga, Stroke a Pelician on his head.

Iflyfish - 9-21-2010 at 09:34 AM

Here you go Skeet, a whole flock to join Pompano and his hot pink bag!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK0x5a7pUUY

Can Mexicans join up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBz69D0bdMo

Iflyfishwithmytongueinmycheek

[Edited on 9-21-2010 by Iflyfish]

Skeet/Loreto - 9-21-2010 at 09:53 AM

fish:

It does not make any difference if you are Gay, Les, Straight, Black, White. Red. Yellow, If you have in Inquiring Mind and Balls and no Fear and like to Risk Just do It!!!

motoged - 9-21-2010 at 10:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No! I had a Two Eyed Tequilla as I was smoking some Chicken Wings!Skeet


Up here in BC, we have mastered smoking salmon.....but we haven't figured out how to keep the papers lit when smoking wings (too much sauce?)

Skeet ....watch out for that Two Eyed tokillyou....its close to being a drug, I hear. :saint:

As a 59 year-old youngster, I prefer the places in Baja where few people are to be found....where the sounds are the wind, the waves, and a few critters from time-to-time...

MsTerieus - 9-21-2010 at 10:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
fish:

It does not make any difference if you are Gay, Les, Straight, Black, White. Red. Yellow, If you have in Inquiring Mind and Balls and no Fear and like to Risk Just do It!!!


A Lesbian with balls? That's an interesting thought.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-21-2010 at 11:43 AM

Msterieus;

It is an old Saying about People who Have no Fear, orginally about Men but when some Women step up to the Plate they got the same Praise!!

Iflyfish - 9-21-2010 at 04:50 PM

Wonderful Skeet! I am very glad you are so open to diverse people. I had not gotten that from your prior posts.

I am too old and seasoned for taking up your challenge, but here are some more folks who would be great candidates. I am sure they would be very interested in your idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgS81_MzMHo

And here are some of your Texas friends who might want to take up your cause.

They all look young, energetic, enthusiastic, just the sort of folks you are wanting to take up the dream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuAMUI6hc9E

Just a few minor tweaks of the law and these folks will come in the droves to follow that dream! Look at all that earnestness, drive, motivation, desire to make a difference, experience life to the fullest, sample all that life has to offer them. These are the sort of folks who can sit for hours watching the sun set, get mesmerized by an ant hill, lose themselves in the green flash at sun set, eat lobster and dulces, explore remote places, eat tiny cacti, participate in indigenous rituals etc.

Iflyfish

windgrrl - 9-21-2010 at 08:37 PM

Well...when I get in the ocean to go windsurfing or swimming I am keenly aware that I have entered at the bottom of the food chain. Did spend a few hours with a few hundred dolphins for a few days right near shore this year. I agree, Skeet, nothing like up close and connected to clean the spirit and recalibrate one's life. Do like my creature comforts nearby now that the rheumatiz is settling in my joints.

My country just issued a travel warning re: border (yes includes Baja). We're coming anyway. Does that count as risky?

Skeet/Loreto - 9-22-2010 at 06:57 AM

windgrrl;

Every where you go now where ther are lots of People you are Risking.

The thing about Baja Sur is that there are many areas where there are very few People.
Some of the best people I have met in my years have been the Fisherman and when I first got to Baja during the next 5 years I met 3 Vagabondos!

Windgrrl if you get to a Place South of San Juanico on the Pacific Side there is a good chance of feeding the Dolpjins standing in the water,

I still have hopes someone will step up to the plate and go Adventure.

Skeet

Bajatripper - 9-22-2010 at 01:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Tell them you're going to Pee Test every single one of them, Skeet. Don't want no DOPERS infiltrating this intrepid group.

:lol::lol::lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 9-22-2010 at 01:54 PM

Tripper:

DOPERS would not last 15 Minutes in the Sea of Cortez on a Windy Day!!

Dave - 9-22-2010 at 02:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Tell them you're going to Pee Test every single one of them, Skeet.


For most of us good old boys, peeing is a never-ending test.
:rolleyes:

Skeet/Loreto - 9-22-2010 at 02:07 PM

Fish: Since you have difficulties in finding about People, I will tell you something.

Gays: The Smart Alecks that make such a Dumb Noise about their Sexual Desires are just Dummies.

Why do not they just have a Law passed that people can have a partnership instead of a Marriage-

You can Google this One: At a very early age I became aquianted with my Aunt Shirley Robertson, I was bout 8 she about 16 yrs,

She has been a real Heroine to me as she and her partner raised 14 Abused Children out of the public health Dept near Ft. Worth Tex, 10 of those went on and got their Degrees.

Next- Blacks: I worked as a Special Investigator in South Central LA in 19 59, 60, 61. I have been subject to being called a "Honkey" more than you would know.

I feel that the Black People as a whole will have trouble improving themselves as a Cultural]It is not the Southerns fault !!!

Asians; Nostrodomus said that the Earth would be Swarmed by the Yellow Hordes; Is that possible??

What are you trying to do with your Posts about me?? I am not a Racist. I judge and like people based on their "ACTS".

What do you do besides that Girly thing of "FlyFishing""??

Skeet

Skeet/Loreto - 9-22-2010 at 02:17 PM

Lyfishing:

To add to the above post:

Its not the Color of a Persons Skin, Its the GENES!!!

All races are different in Structure, Skin Color, Behavior{Depending on the Behavior GENE}

Are the "Shouters of Racist" so weak mined, uneducated, Dumb, ignorant, scared, DOPY, that they do not realize that each race is Different??

Accept People as they are, except those Know DOPERS who may Kill your Children.

Dave - 9-22-2010 at 02:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I have been subject to being called a "Honkey" more than you would know.


Why do I not have trouble believing this? :rolleyes:

mtgoat666 - 9-22-2010 at 02:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
All races are different in... Behavior{Depending on the Behavior GENE}


skeet,
i need to pop your ballon: you are a racist. your statement just made that very clear.

because you are old codger and probably are too old to know better or learn better, we will entertain your science knowledge for a moment. please tell us about the behaviour gene

Skeet/Loreto - 9-22-2010 at 02:45 PM

O. K. Goat Here is your chance to Show Off!

Why am I a Racist in your own Words??

DanO - 9-22-2010 at 02:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I have been subject to being called a "Honkey" more than you would know.


Why do I not have trouble believing this? :rolleyes:


Dave gets the award for the two funniest posts on this thread so far. I'm not saying it wasn't close -- any two of Skeeter's posts combined are a close second.

You'll have to excuse me while I go nuke up some Pop Secret. Be right back.

BTW, anyone catch the new Hawaii Five-O on Monday night? Wasn't I awesome?

Skeet/Loreto - 9-22-2010 at 03:09 PM

Please let us move the Dicussion of Racist to the Off Topic Forum,''

Skeet

sanquintinsince73 - 9-22-2010 at 03:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Fish: Since you have difficulties in finding about People, I will tell you something.

Gays: The Smart Alecks that make such a Dumb Noise about their Sexual Desires are just Dummies.

Why do not they just have a Law passed that people can have a partnership instead of a Marriage-

You can Google this One: At a very early age I became aquianted with my Aunt Shirley Robertson, I was bout 8 she about 16 yrs,

She has been a real Heroine to me as she and her partner raised 14 Abused Children out of the public health Dept near Ft. Worth Tex, 10 of those went on and got their Degrees.

Next- Blacks: I worked as a Special Investigator in South Central LA in 19 59, 60, 61. I have been subject to being called a "Honkey" more than you would know.

I feel that the Black People as a whole will have trouble improving themselves as a Cultural]It is not the Southerns fault !!!

Asians; Nostrodomus said that the Earth would be Swarmed by the Yellow Hordes; Is that possible??

What are you trying to do with your Posts about me?? I am not a Racist. I judge and like people based on their "ACTS".

What do you do besides that Girly thing of "FlyFishing""??

Skeet

"swarmed by the yellow hordes".....maybe not by them personally but by their new-found wealth and world influence.

Bajatripper - 9-22-2010 at 09:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto


I feel that the Black People as a whole will have trouble improving themselves as a Cultural


What are you trying to do with your Posts about me?? I am not a Racist.
Skeet


And I'll bet that some of your best friends are Black, too, huh?
Man, Skeet, you are really something special. You really are that clueless, aren't you? You take that old saying "with friends like you" to the next level. Nobody has to do anything with your posts, they speak for themselves, loud and clear.

Iflyfish - 9-23-2010 at 05:33 AM

It's All In The Family and we need Archie! Meathead! Hope Skeet joins one of the parades. One can only hope.

IflyfishwheneverIcan

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 06:34 AM

You Children still cannot seperate FACTS FROM FICTION!!!!

Black People are different that Whites--Just look!

Asian Peoplle are different than Mexican/Spanish Peop[le -Just Look

My statement about Black Cultural should have said Black Cultural appears to me to be having problems within their Society in improving theri Standards to other Culturals

White People are different than Indians

White People are having a great difficulty in improving Their Cultural Habits such as the use of DOPE.

It will never change! It is in the Genes otherwise why does an Asian have slanted Eyes, Whey does and White have Blond Hair and Blue Eyes, Why does anBlack have Black Skin.

You Children are trying convince others that "I know Best" "Listen to me!! I am your Savior! Beleive in what I say!!


Dummies or DOPERS?? Which one are you??

CaboRon - 9-23-2010 at 06:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
You Children still cannot seperate FACTS FROM FICTION!!!!

Black People are different that Whites--Just look!

Asian Peoplle are different than Mexican/Spanish Peop[le -Just Look

My statement about Black Cultural should have said Black Cultural appears to me to be having problems within their Society in improving theri Standards to other Culturals

White People are different than Indians

White People are having a great difficulty in improving Their Cultural Habits such as the use of DOPE.

It will never change! It is in the Genes otherwise why does an Asian have slanted Eyes, Whey does and White have Blond Hair and Blue Eyes, Why does anBlack have Black Skin.

You Children are trying convince others that "I know Best" "Listen to me!! I am your Savior! Beleive in what I say!!


Dummies or DOPERS?? Which one are you??


PROOF POSITIVE THAT skeet IS A RACIST

mcfez - 9-23-2010 at 07:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
You Children still cannot seperate FACTS FROM FICTION!!!!

Black People are different that Whites--Just look!

Asian Peoplle are different than Mexican/Spanish Peop[le -Just Look

My statement about Black Cultural should have said Black Cultural appears to me to be having problems within their Society in improving theri Standards to other Culturals

White People are different than Indians

White People are having a great difficulty in improving Their Cultural Habits such as the use of DOPE.

It will never change! It is in the Genes otherwise why does an Asian have slanted Eyes, Whey does and White have Blond Hair and Blue Eyes, Why does anBlack have Black Skin.

You Children are trying convince others that "I know Best" "Listen to me!! I am your Savior! Beleive in what I say!!


Dummies or DOPERS?? Which one are you??


I was going to stay out of this non Baja topic that should be posted (now) in off section.

But......."Black People are different that Whites--Just look!" ????

WTF are you talking about? I have a Grandson, his name is
Julian......oh...and a Granddaughter born just yesterday at 3:20 pm Go to my website www.kissmygrass.com and click on "contact us" button. You'll see my Grandson there....just to confirm to you that I do have a black member of this ****** clan.

Now ...7 year old Julian is a exact replicate of me. Looks like me. Jokes like me. Loves the same food like me. I am insulted by your N-zi viewpoint of the human race.....you should be banished from this Forum. What a idiot you are. I wouldn't let my kids near you......much less me!

And you wanna tell me the difference between a dope user and a boozer?

Fact is...this whole post should be deleted for your remarks about the various cultures. Your statements are that of a very backwards person....lost in time.



[Edited on 9-23-2010 by mcfez]

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vandenberg - 9-23-2010 at 07:06 AM

Skeet,

Having fun stirring the "pot" ?
:P:P:biggrin::biggrin:

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 07:24 AM

Mcfez"

What is the difference in Black and White.??

What is the difference in Eyes that Slant/straight eyes??

I am not putting any reason for the difference only when I post about the Cultural aspects of different Races.

What difference does it make "What I THINK??????????

What difference does it make "WHAT I SAY???/////


There is a difference when someone "ACTS"!!!!!!!

You Children are still having trouble with Facts/Fiction.

Oh! well it will still be the same a 100 years from Now.

comitan - 9-23-2010 at 07:34 AM

100 years from now, it won't be the same people like you will be gone.:bounce:

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 07:40 AM

Comitan

And "The possibility that everything you beleive to be False may in FACT be True/:

comitan - 9-23-2010 at 07:53 AM

Skeet

Now just turn that around and apply it to you!!!!!!!!

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 08:11 AM

Comitan"

One of the things I learned at College was that there is generally Two sides to any
question or discussion, also people see the same thing differently for example::

Commercials on TV

NBA Basketball Games

Nascar Racing.

Music

NBA Football

Womens College Vollyball

East LA

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 08:16 AM

Comitan:

What I have been trying to put across to these Children is that it does not make any difference "How you Think!!! That is your Private Business. Now if you starrt Talking then you can expect some people to take the Opposite of what you say as either True or False,depending on their Education and experience.

Now if some one ACTS then you have a much better Idea of their 'True
Belief". Except in the MOVIES!!

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 08:22 AM

Urban Dictonary:\\ RACIST DEFINITION

PEOPLE WHO ARE OBSESSED WITH THINKING ABOUT THE PAST INSTEAD OF THE FUTURE ;; IGNORANCE.

comitan - 9-23-2010 at 08:28 AM

Skeet

So what you are really trying to imply is that its OK to be racist if thats what you think.


[Edited on 9-23-2010 by comitan]

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 09:04 AM

COMITAN:

i AM TRYING TO SAY THAT IT DOES NOT MAKE A "hILL OF bEANS' WHAT YOU THINK AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT COMMIT AN aCT TO INJURE SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THEIR rACE SOLEY!!!

comitan - 9-23-2010 at 09:10 AM

I give up you change with every post.

BajaDove - 9-23-2010 at 09:20 AM

Skeet is going to save us all to Hell.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 09:34 AM

No Dove.

Please don>t start that Childist Stuff about me being Religious Nut.
I am still looking for someone to step up the Plate and become an Adventuer!!

mAYBE THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE WHO WILL FEEL THAT cALLING IN HIS HEART AND mIND.


tHEN IT DON.T MATTER IF A DOZEN PEOPLE SHOUT rACIST.

wessongroup - 9-23-2010 at 09:36 AM

And I'm not from Texas... and I understand what he is trying to say... how is that possible.. culture vs race... there is a difference when viewed from a Biological standpoint...

That one wishes to pursue the discussion with only one classification of humans, which vary over time and reflect societal customs... is understandable.. valid, not sure, perhaps true at "this" time...

Now are we into relativity... or space time continuum... or is it something to do with want .....

Just my 2 cents.. it all helps... :):)

[Edited on 9-23-2010 by wessongroup]

BajaDove - 9-23-2010 at 09:44 AM

I didn't mean to imply religion. You called yourself our savior, you little devil you.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 10:25 AM

wessongroup; Well said!

We are People. People are Born with different Genes which affect their whole life.
Also their minds are effected by their upbring, TV, Friends, Teachers etc.
We are still looking for Keys to enable to make People Better in their Lives.
I just think that the Calling of People "Racist" is a Cop Out by the person doing the Name calling. and as it says in the Urban Dictionary Racist is ome one who is Obsessed with thinking about the Past instead of the Future.

Now I understand the 200 year old reason for Slavery in the States, I do not understand why some People keep blaming the present People for something that happened 200 years ago, Money Maybe?? Or is it lack Education.

Look at the differences in the Asian Areas of Singlepore, Hong Kong, China Taiwan.

Look at Mexico, Canada.

RedondoGolfer - 9-23-2010 at 10:32 AM

Delicately avoiding stepping on the racial stuff, I think an interesting idea Skeet has pushed on is the concept of "the quest".

I think those of born in the immediate years following WW2 were the last generation who were challenged to become a man though this quest and a trial by fire. The literature of this bygone age, from Greek mythology to Jack London to Jack Kerouac to aboriginal/indigenous peoples all demanded men go out and find themselves through a lonely and dangerous test. We listened to our fathers and grandfathers quest and dreamed of our own. Sometimes it was a Hemingway-like joining of the Spanish Civil war, sometimes it was riding freight trains for a few years.

Today's kids may not. They may not have use these words, they may simply say "I'm hiking Sierra's this summer". Did they experience the hike as a vision quest, or did they just have some alone time? I think the romance of the quest is missing and not to the benefit of our culture.

DENNIS - 9-23-2010 at 10:46 AM

Welcome to BajaNomad, RG. You make some interesting points.
It is different today...of course. Seems like Rites Of Passage are confined to texting and driving simultaneously. [I say that in jest]
Actually we have a bunch of courageous kids joining the volunteer military today, in the face of extreme danger. Gotta give them credit for that.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 10:50 AM

golfer: Very well said.

After reading your Post and thinking about it, the People you named were all Heros to me.. I did not want to be a hero but wanted to try and do some of the things they talked about and Experienced
The Thrill and satisfaction I got from feeding the Dolphins from my Hand on the pacific side of Baja, The Touching of a large Blue Whale that I brought to my Panga, the swiming near the Hammerhead Sharks was all exciting and Fun and worth the time and Money Spent.

It is some what the same feeling as being involved with People, trying to figure out where they are coming from when they make Odd Statements.

It does appear that our Schools and parents are not instilling in their Kids that desire to ADVENTURE.

DanO - 9-23-2010 at 10:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by comitan
100 years from now, it won't be the same people like you will be gone.:bounce:


Ding ding ding ding ding! We have a winner. Meanwhile, I am still trying to wrap my head around this one:

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Comitan"

One of the things I learned at College was that there is generally Two sides to any
question or discussion, also people see the same thing differently for example::

Commercials on TV

NBA Basketball Games

Nascar Racing.

Music

NBA Football

Womens College Vollyball

East LA

comitan - 9-23-2010 at 10:57 AM

One of the things he learned in College was how to spell( ADVENTUERS):lol::lol::lol:

shari - 9-23-2010 at 10:58 AM

Whoa...I was staying out of this thread...but I just wanted to comment that this thread HAS been useful in bringing out some fascinating concepts...AND who'da thunk, it would have brought out a new interesting player in the sandbox...so I'd like to welcome redondagolfer to the fray and really look forward to more of your insights and philisophical posts that cause me to pause and reflect....I agree with your idea there about the lack of romance of the quest....or self reflection missing in the new quests...gracias.

RedondoGolfer - 9-23-2010 at 11:12 AM

Thank you Dennis and Skeet for the kind words and welcome.

Then the question might/would be "why don't they today?" The quest is not so much about bravery as finding oneself alone with one's own dream. The military is purported to be as well trained and competent as ever so I'm not disparaging them, but it's a different experience.

I think some of the historical quest came from an innate human desire to push the inner border, and outer physical borders. So the American experience might have been Manifest Destiny, the indigenous people to make a man able to push onward to new hunting grounds. One of more extraordinary things I've ever read was regarding settling the Americas by the Amerinds. Imagine the original Amerind gene pool crossing the Arctic bridge was 4 men and 13 women, their decendents travelling and settling and becoming distinct cultures, all the way to Patagonia in 12,000 years. Extraordinary. these people were fueled by more than physical needs, they were always scanning the horizon.

My grandchildren live in Montana and have no idea, or interest, their grandmother's grandfather settled the Crazy mountains at the time of Custer, that he had arrow wounds from encounters, lived to 104 as a working cattle rancher off the grid before solar panels and gore tex. They bounce in front of the TV to Wii machines like kids in suburban New Jersey while their mother irons their soccer uniforms and frets about whether they should wear helmets with this rough game.

We apparently don't want any true individuality, or hero's, or men who have seen the Golden Goat.

wessongroup - 9-23-2010 at 11:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Welcome to BajaNomad, RG. You make some interesting points.
It is different today...of course. Seems like Rites Of Passage are confined to texting and driving simultaneously. [I say that in jest]
Actually we have a bunch of courageous kids joining the volunteer military today, in the face of extreme danger. Gotta give them credit for that.


Must say, I see the same thing.... when I see pictures of the young ones... who are in fact in harms way...

The look very strong, smart, and wired tight... and thats the men and women !!!

[Edited on 9-23-2010 by wessongroup]

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 11:26 AM

Shari;
I think that you are the type of person that has dreams and work hard to enjoy those Dreams.

Look at the things that you have done in the past 10 years or so.

Keep it up!

Gofer: Your Grandkids are in Montana,which I think is still a great place to Explore.
Floating down the Madison, Jefferson, Galliatin River fishing for Browns and Rainbows is an Adventure on its on. Fishing the Upper Big Hole near Wisdom where I experiended 3 Great Big Moose standing across the Creek looking at me.

shari - 9-23-2010 at 11:35 AM

thanks Skeet...I have always been an adventurer....had big dreams and somehow with faith & help from...well...everybody, I have managed to live my dreams.

Redondogolfer...man I feel bad for your grandkids...I would LOVE to see an arrow wound!!!!! I sop up all the elders wisdom I can find and learn from them....well, I'm off now on a new adventure...seeing my first grandchild born into this world...little Izaak has a big life ahead of him...full of adventure and personal quests....have a wonderful day ya'll

Osprey - 9-23-2010 at 11:46 AM

I have a small mark on my butt (I can't see it but I can feel it) which was made by a rubber arrowhead when I was just a kid. I'll be 74 years old next month and I have been on many, many quests. I have not seen the Golden Goat but I've seen The Varmint and not many men still alive can say that.

wessongroup - 9-23-2010 at 11:46 AM

RedondoGolfer, welcome.. and ditto's on your last post.... what a bunch of sissies we are turning into..... my parents and theirs going back a long way had it very, very hard... it was not a walk to Ralphs for some milk.. in flip flops... shorts and tee shirt...

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 11:54 AM

You Guys and Gals Made my Day!

Thanks for your Comments;

Comon some of you Young Ones. Start Dreaming!'What would you like to do?
Where would you like to go??

Someone might step up to the Plate and give you a Hand-up and help you start your adventure.

wessongroup - 9-23-2010 at 12:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
I have a small mark on my butt (I can't see it but I can feel it) which was made by a rubber arrowhead when I was just a kid. I'll be 74 years old next month and I have been on many, many quests. I have not seen the Golden Goat but I've seen The Varmint and not many men still alive can say that.


"The Varmint"... I know your old .... but.. wait a minute.. :lol::lol:

Bajatripper - 9-23-2010 at 01:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto



Dummies or DOPERS?? Which one are you??


Seems that in Skeeterman's world, there are only these two categories to choose from.

Which begs the question; which are you, Skeet?

[Edited on 9-23-2010 by Bajatripper]

Bajatripper - 9-23-2010 at 01:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto



I am still looking for someone to step up the Plate and become an Adventuer!!

mAYBE THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE WHO WILL FEEL THAT cALLING IN HIS HEART AND mIND.




The so sad truth is that Skeet means well, he's just extremely challenged when it comes to articulating it for public consumption. I do feel for you, brother.

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto[ to Mcfez"

mcfez - 9-23-2010 at 01:34 PM

[1] What is the difference in Black and White.??
[a] Acceptance of what is. Why make definitions of one...when none is needed. Why define in the first place?

[2] What is the difference in Eyes that Slant/straight eyes??
[a] See answer to number one!

[3] I am not putting any reason for the difference only when I post about the Cultural aspects of different Races.
[a] Your presentation of words puts assumptions within the words....who you are kidding? Maybe you need to update the way you put words in a sentence ....so that it really does not offend others....whether intentional or accidentally. We all watch our tongue when speaking to others.....on any subject.


[4]What difference does it make "What I THINK??????????
[a] It don't....till you transfer your thoughts into a public reading. I remember years ago on this forum...there was a lot of crude stuff being said. Many of us (me being the Yankeeirshman) would complain a lot because kids were reading the forum as well. So....wa'la.....the Teen Perspective Forum was created. So yes...the young ones do read your statements and see it as Judgment. And the old ones too...as me.....see Judgment.

[5]What difference does it make "WHAT I SAY???/////
[a] see 4 for same answer

[6]There is a difference when someone "ACTS"!!!!!!!
[a] You damn right....and that's why I spoke on this matter. If you wish to "ACT"...then do it properly with out making any sort of distinction when referring to others....race, religion creed whatever. I dont have a clue what you are...a Skeet....a Viking?
A fat little wimp? A John Wayne ? Black guy? Mexican? Do I care? Should i care? HELL NO!

[7]You Children are still having trouble with Facts/Fiction.
[a] You are the one with the trouble with Facts/Fiction. Your thought pattern started dying back in the 60's. My kid will always have troubles when someone speaks to him/her the way you write. I hope you don't speak to innocent children and that you are just a bored dude behind the keyboard today...trolling.


[8]Oh! well it will still be the same a 100 years from Now.
[a] Ah....wrong! Look at the times since you were a beat cop in L.A. back in the 60's......that's a 50 year span.

Note: your quote-"It will never change! It is in the Genes otherwise why does an Asian have slanted Eyes"

Well it does change dude! The American Natives blood background is from the travelers of hundreds of years ago from the area now called Asia! Slanted eyes...the American native? Haven t seen one yet. So...time does indeed change all.....you need to change too.

If you feel that perhaps your words were a bit harsh....just delete the post and we all be on our way to talking about getting kids to be young explorers.



My apologizes to the readers here. I am not trying to showboat here, rather trying to education the damage one can do with words. No one likes to be defined.

[Edited on 9-23-2010 by mcfez]

Bajatripper - 9-23-2010 at 01:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RedondoGolfer
Thank you Dennis and Skeet for the kind words and welcome.

Then the question might/would be "why don't they today?" The quest is not so much about bravery as finding oneself alone with one's own dream. The military is purported to be as well trained and competent as ever so I'm not disparaging them, but it's a different experience.

I think some of the historical quest came from an innate human desire to push the inner border, and outer physical borders. So the American experience might have been Manifest Destiny, the indigenous people to make a man able to push onward to new hunting grounds. One of more extraordinary things I've ever read was regarding settling the Americas by the Amerinds. Imagine the original Amerind gene pool crossing the Arctic bridge was 4 men and 13 women, their decendents travelling and settling and becoming distinct cultures, all the way to Patagonia in 12,000 years. Extraordinary. these people were fueled by more than physical needs, they were always scanning the horizon.

My grandchildren live in Montana and have no idea, or interest, their grandmother's grandfather settled the Crazy mountains at the time of Custer, that he had arrow wounds from encounters, lived to 104 as a working cattle rancher off the grid before solar panels and gore tex. They bounce in front of the TV to Wii machines like kids in suburban New Jersey while their mother irons their soccer uniforms and frets about whether they should wear helmets with this rough game.

We apparently don't want any true individuality, or hero's, or men who have seen the Golden Goat.


Do you think it's as hopeless as some of this post makes it sound? In some of my readings, I've come across the "Grand Tour" concept of a couple of centuries past that the sons (and a few daughters) of Europe's wealthy embarked on upon graduation from whatever institution of higher learning they came from. Often accompanied by a mentor to explain things, they toured the great cities and ruins around the Mediterranean Sea and such on a year-long (or more) quest for enlightment.
In contemporary times, this might be equated to the U.S.-equivalent of going on a Road Trip, such as my son and his best friend did when he graduated from High School. They drove around much of the country, visiting places of personal interest to them--which varied from Mt. Rushmore to New Orleans. I've also known of many who take off for Europe, Asia, or South America on backpack trips after completing their university studies--embarking on their own personal quests of discovery and understanding. I'd consider both of these examples as contemporary Rites of Passage of our youth. I'm sure there are others that people could mention.

[Edited on 9-23-2010 by Bajatripper]

motoged - 9-23-2010 at 01:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
"swarmed by the yellow hordes".....maybe not by them personally but by their new-found wealth and world influence.



Yeah....it's hard to accept that white guys aren't always in charge:lol:

Welcome to the rest of the planet:cool:

motoged - 9-23-2010 at 02:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RedondoGolfer..... "the quest". .... from Greek mythology to Jack London to Jack Kerouac to aboriginal/indigenous peoples all demanded men go out and find themselves through a lonely and dangerous test.


Yeah the Spirit Quest thing is what it is....and I think Jack Kerouac drank himself to death living a mundane and uneventful life after his Spirit Quest....a sad ending for a Beat Generation Guru....

On The Road, Skeet?

I understand that you cleared a lot of corrals and barns as a young guy....so you know that horsechit is still horsechit, no matter how you wrap it up.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 02:16 PM

McFez:

You may have "Hit the Nail on The head"

Why Fez do so many people become offended by some Dumb Butts Words.?

I may have been in error as I was brought up"Sticks and Stones may break my Bones, Words cannot Harm Me!!!

Have we brought up a bunch of Cry Baby Whimps who did not learn to Fight for their Rights instead of calling People Names?

I think you may be right, I just cannot accept someone calling other people Bad Names as being Legit. The person calling the Name is the Dummie.

And I do try to be Descriptive when I refer to the Weak Minded Cry Baby Whimps. I try to use Verbs and descriptions and actions.


motoged: I have no trouble at all in accepting who is in charge, But what is interesting is Who is Following those that are in Charge?? And Why are they following is what is Sad-Money ,DOPE No Common Sense, etc.

RedondoGolfer - 9-23-2010 at 02:22 PM

Thank you Shari and Wesson for the greeting and kind words.

And Bajatripper for the challenge.I tried to use maybe and other words of self-doubt and conditionalness in my post. I personally believe what I wrote but I'm open to language and expression of notions changing with time.

So I will use myself as an example rather than confuse myself with abstractions. I'd always hear my father and his peer group discuss their involvement in building the Alaskan Hwy and great tales of deprivation. So my own addition to their tales was to go further north, find more ice and snow, walk closer to the edge. I would hitchike to Alaska every summer between college semesters and work on fishing boats, for the BLM on fires, building the Hickel hwy., etc.

These made for grand tales back in Wisconsin. If I had grown up in Fairbanks they woulda been as common place as working on a hay farm in Wisconsin. The point? It's why we do the thing, not the absolute danger.

Later on I would explore the Nelson, Laird, Nahinni and Mckenzie rivers of BS, Yukon, and NWT alone. I would take as few supplies as possible, always testing the edge of the experience. I would imagine the aluminum canoe I had vs. the wood canoes, the modern tent with a floor and fine netting against the darkness the mosquitos could bring to the middle of the day when settling on my tent, that frightening (to me) motor sound a million mosquitos could make and wonder "how did the indigenuous people, or first explorers survive?" Are the bears more or less dangerous than 100 years ago in the middle of the night if I mistakenly make my camp in a berry patch having pulled in late in the day above the rapids. I think a person, and their worldview, changes positively for having willingly put themselves in these places.

Maybe we'll never go to the moon again. Maybe we've discovered all the lost missions of Baja. Maybe we don't want to find and civilize the last group of headhunters in New Guinea. Maybe we no longer want to make men who want to do something at or over the limits. It's not a good thing or a bad thing, but it is an interesting thing.

If someone is challenged by taking the Orient Express from Vienna to Istanbul who am I to say it's not worthy?

I'm just interested in the furball of ideas and implications surrounding this topic.

Old Mexican saying "A man becomes a man when a man is needed" (source unknown).

mcfez - 9-23-2010 at 02:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
McFez:

You may have "Hit the Nail on The head"

Why Fez do so many people become offended by some Dumb Butts Words.?

I may have been in error as I was brought up"Sticks and Stones may break my Bones, Words cannot Harm Me!!!

Have we brought up a bunch of Cry Baby Whimps who did not learn to Fight for their Rights instead of calling People Names?

I think you may be right, I just cannot accept someone calling other people Bad Names as being Legit. The person calling the Name is the Dummie.

And I do try to be Descriptive when I refer to the Weak Minded Cry Baby Whimps. I try to use Verbs and descriptions and actions.


motoged: I have no trouble at all in accepting who is in charge, But what is interesting is Who is Following those that are in Charge?? And Why are they following is what is Sad-Money ,DOPE No Common Sense, etc.



Skeet/Loreto .....I was a "kid" once upon a time that was so severely judged......by strangers and some family....it changed my world. I was different from "you rest". I talked funny...had a ponytail...nearly deaf. I believed the judgmental jerks for a long time, and then revolted. Badly. Tough guy for years...your ex pals at the force could look me up and see bad news. Though never in Jail...just lucky! But again....due to the darkness of childhood definitions ...It forced me to become a very successful business(s) operator, family man, and friend to all. I am tamed.
And your response to me Sir.....Highly accepted and appreciated. Turns out that you are a 100% real Baja man. A Viking's King to be able to say..."whoops" . Sign me up for this boat trip of yours.

[Edited on 9-23-2010 by mcfez]

DENNIS - 9-23-2010 at 02:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RedondoGolfer
Old Mexican saying "A man becomes a man when a man is needed" (source unknown).


Lupe down at Anthony's says that all the time. That Lupe is really smart....huh. :)

RedondoGolfer - 9-23-2010 at 02:34 PM

Dennis why do I have the suspicion you're having an inside joke at my expense ?:lol:

I may have heard of Anthony's, maybe. Lupe, nope, not by that name.

And to self-correct the quote is "a boy becomes a man when a man is necessary". Does Lupe say that or does she draw the line at this point?

Dave - 9-23-2010 at 02:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS

Lupe down at Anthony's says that all the time.


Lupe is also fond of saying, "love hurts."

So I'm told

DENNIS - 9-23-2010 at 02:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RedondoGolfer
Does Lupe say that or does she draw the line at this point?



I can't tell what she's saying most of the time. She's from Oaxaca and only two feet tall.
Dave's right about that "Love Hurts" song. Lupe can be heard bellowing it like a Mariachi all over the neighborhood sometimes.

MikeYounghusband - 9-23-2010 at 03:03 PM

Why do you have to be "young"? I'm 61 and I'll wave as Don-Kay and I walk on by on our way to Cabo.

DENNIS - 9-23-2010 at 03:41 PM

61 is young. Stop by for a cold one and a bowl of Alfalfa.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-23-2010 at 03:50 PM

Mcfez:

Thank You> I have respect for you. Why??

Because you gave us an idea of what you have done with your life and Why.

Is it not a Shame theat more of our Posters would come Clean with their Background and experince and tell us what they have done and doing.


Now for a religious thing: The Prayer of Jabez

BajaDove - 9-23-2010 at 05:40 PM

Back in the early eighties we made a trip to Cabo to see if we wanted to sail in. Comitan gets seasick and I run with white knuckle terror when the boat tips so though we raced SF bay in gails we decided to camp.
We started going to the main land when we were going to be killed on any beach and found if something happened to one person it was verbally repeated year after year as a last week thing. Toured Mx. by RV one end to the other and settled in La Paz. Is that enough back ground.
We know and love Mx.

mtgoat666 - 9-23-2010 at 05:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RedondoGolfer
My grandchildren live in Montana and have no idea, or interest, their grandmother's grandfather settled the Crazy mountains at the time of Custer, that he had arrow wounds from encounters, lived to 104 as a working cattle rancher off the grid before solar panels and gore tex. They bounce in front of the TV to Wii machines like kids in suburban New Jersey while their mother irons their soccer uniforms and frets about whether they should wear helmets with this rough game.

We apparently don't want any true individuality, or hero's, or men who have seen the Golden Goat.


golfer dude:
every generation finds their own path. don't fault kids today because they are not interested in your interests.

p.s. some might think it a bit lame to romanticize your ancestors that slaughtered the indians,... those ancestors practiced their genocide because they were like skeet, bigots.

p.p.s. wft is the golden goat?

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