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Any cool places to check out in Sonora ?

LoyeB - 9-21-2010 at 04:11 PM

Im possibly heading to Sonora sometime in the next few months. I was wondering some places to check out, I know of Alamos and Hermosillo. But whats on the coast besides Kino,Puerto Penasco, and San Carlos. Maybe a Baja vs. Sonora pro and cons would be helpful. thanks for your guys imput.

sanquintinsince73 - 9-21-2010 at 05:14 PM

haven't been there in quite a few years but wherever you pitch camp, you have to try the machaca breakfast. Sonora machaca is the best in Mexico.

capt. mike - 9-22-2010 at 05:00 AM

get a steak at el bronco in san carlos, sonoran range fed cattle, juciest most tender loin i have ever munched on.....well there was that one co-ed from U of A in 1977.....:saint:

Pescador - 9-22-2010 at 06:52 AM

Sonora is so big, it is hard to do it justice here on a baja forum, but if you look into a guidebook, you will find lots of interesting things to see and do. Not sure what your interest is but will hit a few things I found interesting when I used to spend a lot of time over there. Magdelena is very interesting and is the final burial of Padre Kino who was one of the really influential explorers of the area. That may not seem like such a big deal now, but in his day it was a major challenge to cross the desert on a mule, find out that Baja was not an island, and travel all over the area with a severe case of hemorroids.

North of Bahia Kino is a small village of Desemboque which is the primary home of the Seri Indians. They were thought to be cannabals and were moved off of Tiburon island by the Government. They started the ironwood carvings and still produce the finest carvings available. They are nothing like the ornate Mexican carvings which have lots of details that the Seri carvings did not have. They are more impressionistic in nature and remind me of the Native carvings of Alaska in their general interpretation. In the early days I took sandpaper down and traded for carvings since they were using dried shark skin, broken bottles, and rocks to smooth out what they had roughed out of the ironwood with a machete.

If you get a chance, and since it looks like you are coming from California, you might want to consider entering at Mexicali or San Luis and driving Highway 2 through the Altar Desert. This is as close to what we picture as the Sahara as anything I have ever seen. Hollywood used to film there whenever they wanted good desert scenery and in fact there was a small herd of camels that escaped from a filming crew and they lived in the area for years. The national park at Pinacate is fascinating and Pinacate Volcano is stark and magnificent towering over the desert at 1390 meters.

Guaymas is a true jewel of Sonora with its port and variety of things to see and do. San Carlos is a gringo community and if you are looking for that kind of thing, it may be one of the best in the area. Hermosillo has always been one of my favorite cities and any good guidebook will give you a handful of must see and do items.

wilderone - 9-22-2010 at 07:57 AM

I was looking for info on the pictographs around Caborca and found some other stuff:

"By the time you get here you may feel a bit isolated but Caborca makes a good location from which to explore the missions and archaeological sites in the surrounding area, and the Sea of Cortez. The large mission and grounds at Caborca are impressive, and even more striking at sunset. It was also the site of an 1875 battle to drive off American adventurer Henry Alexander Crabb. In the small hills around town there are hundreds of Hohokam petroglyphs dating from 800–1200AD—ask for directions. Roads out of town lead to vibrant Puerto Peñasco (4) and picturesque Puerto Lobos (via a little-traveled, long dirt road).
http://gotosonora.com

The road through the beautiful Río Sonora valley, settled by Jesuit priests in the 1600s, passes through picturesque and tranquil towns worth spending some time in. Towns are prosperous and clean, with well-kept plazas. Aconchi, home to a creative furniture industry, is a highlight, and the hot springs here are great (look for a sign "Aguas Termales" just before Aconchi). This isolated and relaxing camping area features soaking tubs, swimming pools, picnic sites, and pleasant surroundings. The church at Arizpe, Sonora's capital in 1828 and the colonial capital under Spanish rule, is well-known and quite impressive (other town churches deserve a look too.

Located between Cananea and Imuris on Mexico 2, Cocóspera can be easy to miss but one shouldn't. Just a short drive off the highway, these impressive ruins are very accessible. The founding date is uncertain but Father Kino did visit in 1689; the last Franciscans left Cocóspera in 1836, and with increasing Apache raids, the population declined rapidly. Today a scaffold supports the front of the mission and the roof has collapsed. Even this distraction, however, cannot conceal the mission's former magnificence. This remote site remains one of the best to help bring history alive.
Coming from Cananea (2), look for a small sign on the right a few miles after the Kilometer 21 checkpoint (see map).
800.716.2555
http://gotosonora.com
The mission at Oquitoa is considered a gem among those established by Father Kino. The Franciscans added a facade but the building kept its Jesuit flat roof, the only one remaining among the Kino missions. Beside the mission, the remarkable cemetery is a must-see with ornate mausoleums and headstones of all sizes and designs (be courteous and stay off the graves). A short distance up the main cross-street in town you'll come to an old mill. While mostly in ruins, the structure is interesting, with the old mill wheel in front. Look for remains of the aqueduct too. Much of the old equipment is still inside but the building is also home to hundreds of wasps—entry is not recommended! Further on are more old buildings, reminders of a more active past, worth exploring but—as always—be careful."

elizabeth - 9-22-2010 at 09:12 AM

Several years back, my sister and brother in law and their kids , my husband and I, took a raft trip down the Rio Mayo. My sister is into birds and that was the principal reason. I don't much care about which bird is which, but I do like to see flashy ones! There were lots of flashy birds, and also other things of more interest to me, as a stop and short hike to a cantera rock bridge rom the camino real, petroglyphs, and a visit to a small agricultural ejido and a 17th century chuch. It was a great all day trip with a lunch stop with great food. The trip was arranged by Dave and Jennifer MacKay of Alamos and we were the only people on the trip in two rafts...
http://www.solipaso.com/tripTemplate.php?p=5 or google solipaso

durrelllrobert - 9-23-2010 at 04:33 PM

Any cool places to check out in Sonora ?

Do you consider 112 degrees cool?

DavidE - 9-23-2010 at 06:53 PM

The sonoran desert is definetly different and the cactus is suguaro rather than cardon.

Do let 'em fool you about San Carlos. That's only a waypoint. There are some really cool beaches just north. Ask for Catch 22 beach where they filmed the movie. You'll get a good dose of solitude like you can in los Bajas.

To the south, be cautious about remote beaches. They have a long history of being rowdy.

But around Bahia Kino are lots of Yaqui indigenous manufacturing articles out of palo fierro.

I like El Fuerte as a hideout, but that's in Sinaloa.

Careful about exploring the mainland, it'll put an itch in you that will just scream to get scratched.

Marc - 9-26-2010 at 08:52 PM

Sonora Steak House. It's near the the Holiday Inn on the main drag into Hermosillo. It's pricey.

Avoid Kino on the weekends.

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Eli - 9-27-2010 at 09:31 AM

DavidE, when were you last at Catch 22 beach? Just Your mentioning it awakened a flood of visions of the place.

I camped there for 6 winters in the "70's". I was very attached to Los Algadones beach, and called it home. La Manga which is North of the old airstrip was our favorite little cove, I have such powerful memories from that time. It was Utopia until construction began on a Club Med type resort in the early "80"s". I left and and never looked back. I have often wondered what happened to the Espinoza Ranch, which was in a Palm Grove to the South of the airstrip. I wonder if the little ranch where the Spring with the Palm tress to the East is still running.

You are so right about that mainland itch, there are so many more places I want to explore than I have years left to search them out. For sure I still have at least another summer I want to do just here in Coatapec Vera Cruz. I so miss Naja in the Lacandon Jungle of Chiapas. I would Love to study at Bellas Artes Institute in San Miguel, again powerful memories lay there. Of course there is my Beloved Oaxaca, I got tons of karma there. And undoubtly, I miss home in Baja terribly about now. Just can't be in all the places I wanna be at the same time, dang.............

David K - 9-27-2010 at 11:21 AM

The Catch 22 movie runway was there for many years, and now if you look on Google Earth, it is all built over. Funny,weird movie... knowing that is the Sea of Cortez of Mexico many years ago and not the Mediterranian Sea of Italy, makes it fun to watch.

LoyeB - 9-29-2010 at 11:47 PM

Thanks everyone, Im possibly heading down in December with a friend who has family in Navojoa,Sonora. Totally amped on the cultural experience!

wessongroup - 9-30-2010 at 05:21 AM

Thanks for all the information... will now have to check out "catch 22" have seen it but could never stay with it... will give it a try from this standpoint, should be interesting.... way cool...

wilderone, Pescador, and all others really good job... thanks



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desertcpl - 9-30-2010 at 08:24 AM

question,, what is needed other then car insurance , do you still need a car permit? what else is needed and where can you get the permits.
I am reading that a car permit is not required in Sonora

[Edited on 9-30-2010 by desertcpl]

TheColoradoDude - 9-30-2010 at 04:07 PM

If you have time take a nice drive up to the Antenna Towers in Guaymas Norte. It is a road that starts directly behind the cementary and prison. No need to fret, people jog up and down that road all the time. Any car can make it as long as your good with heights. I saw a VW bug coming down the road the last time I took it. I can help you out further with directions just PM me. I found the road using google earth then asking the locals if it was okay to drive up there. Seems a bit crazy because a few times you have a wide open view looking straight into the courtyard of the Carcel. I should be back there in December for 6 months. If your there I would be happy to take your family out to see the dolphins weather permitting. I don't always see them but usually about 70% of the time.

This is a view to the southeast from near the top. A little bit of Guaymas, the mean streets of Fatimma to the slight left and Empalme to the far left. Further south and your in Navajoa. If you continue up the road, which gets a tad narrower, up a short distance to the main tower and from there you have a nice view of Guaymas Norte and San Carlos.



TheColoradoDude - 9-30-2010 at 04:11 PM

If your driving further south than Empalme yes a permit is needed. I think mine cost 40 dollars and was good for the length of my Visa. I showed them registration and my license I believe. The permit place is located just past Empalme. If you have the time Alamos is a must to check out. Not far from Navajoa.

Here is some more info:

If you want to travel to the eastern part of Sonora, which includes the Route of the Rio Sonora, the lakes at Angostura and Novillo, and Moctezuma or to the southern part of Sonora including Obregon, Novojoa or Tobalabampo, you must have an Only Sonora (free) or the All Mexico (fee) vehicle permit. The catch is you can only get an Only Sonora permit at KM 21 south of Nogales or at KM 98, south of Empalme. There are no other issue points for the Only Sonora permit at this time.

Oh and this: Make sure you return your permit when you leave. There are signs near the KM21 south of Nogales that point you to the right direction.

All Mexico permits can be returned at any border crossing site served by a Banjercito office and the Only Sonora permit must be returned at KM 21 south of Nogales.


[Edited on 9-30-2010 by TheColoradoDude]

TheColoradoDude - 9-30-2010 at 04:22 PM

One last note! I do believe, like it says above, that the Sonora only permit is free for 7 days all you need it to show is your Visa, FMM (replaces the old FMT), or show your FM2 or FM3.

I think I actually bought the all mexico permit.

DavidE - 9-30-2010 at 04:37 PM

Catch 22, you have GOT TO read Joseph Heller's book or the movie appears to be totally psychotic.

Poor Yossarian. Paranoid Major Major who tells his sargeant secretary to "Only let people in to see me when I'm not there".

Significant characters
John Yossarian
Further information: Yossarian
Captain John Yossarian is a fictional character in Joseph Heller's novel Catch-22 and its sequel Closing Time, and the protagonist of both books. In Catch-22, Yossarian is a 28-year-old Captain and B-25 bombardier in the 256th squadron of the Army Air Corps, stationed on the small island of Pianosa off the Italian mainland during World War II. Yossarian's exploits are based on the experiences of the author: Heller was also a bombardier in the Air Corps, stationed on an island off the coast of Italy during World War II!

Captain Aardvark
Further information: Captain Aardvark
Captain Aardvark (called Aarfy) is the navigator in Yossarian's B-25. He is oblivious to incoming flak, repeatedly gets lost on missions, and always smokes a pipe. He befriends Nately in the hope of working for Nately's wealthy father after the war. Aarfy sees himself as moral and protects well-connected women from the sexual advances of other officers, but also commits rape, because he says he can tell which girl is "nice and clean" and which isn't.[clarification needed]

Chaplain Tappman
Further information: Chaplain Tappman
Tappman is a naïve Anabaptist minister from Kenosha, Wisconsin, who is tormented throughout the novel by his atheist assistant, Corporal Whitcomb. Easily intimidated by the cruelty of others, the chaplain is a kind, gentle and sensitive man who worries constantly about his wife and children at home.

Colonel Cathcart
Further information: Colonel Cathcart
A full colonel, Cathcart is a group commander at the U.S. Army Air Corps base in Pianosa and is obsessed with becoming a general. As such, he does whatever it takes to please his superiors—in particular, by repeatedly raising the number of missions the men have to fly to complete a tour of duty, beyond that normally ordered by other outfits. This becomes the bane of Yossarian's life, as every time he comes close to obtaining the target number of missions for being sent home, Colonel Cathcart raises the required number again.

Doctor Daneeka
Further information: Doc Daneeka
Doc Daneeka is the squadron physician and a friend of the novel's protagonist, Yossarian. Doc Daneeka's main motivation throughout is for his own welfare, if that be making money or protecting his own life. He generally forgets his moral duty as a physician except in the most extreme of circumstances. Doc Daneeka feels the military is responsible for him being drafted into the war effort and putting him in harm's way, because they were distrustful of him when he lied on his drafting papers about his health. He is constantly scared of upsetting his superiors who may see fit to then ship him off to the far more dangerous South Pacific. Already he sees it as military cruelty to have been assigned to the Air Corps even though he is scared of flying.

Milo Minderbinder
Further information: Milo Minderbinder
Milo is the mess officer at the U.S. Army Air Corps base and he becomes obsessed with expanding mess operations and trading goods for the profits of the syndicate (in which he and everyone else "has a share"). Milo is a satire of the modern businessman, and beyond that is the living representation of capitalism, as he has no allegiance to any country, person or principle unless it pays him. Milo even begins contracting missions for the Germans, fighting on both sides in the battle at Orvieto and bombing his own squadron.

Lieutenant Nately
Further information: Nately
Nately's family originally enlisted him to serve in the Air Corps, believing the war would be over by the time he finished his training and that he would mingle with "gentlemen". Therefore, Nately could gain the pride of enlisting without actually having to fight. Instead, he mingled with Yossarian and Dunbar, and was sent overseas. He lives in a tent with McWatt next to Havermeyer's tent. His most notable contribution to the book is his involvement with a hoar, Nately's hoar, who is for the most part uninterested in him until he saves her from a sleepless night with generals and so she gets an opportunity get some sleep. He is often filled with American optimism, shown by his desire to marry his hoar and send her kid sister to a respected college in the United States. However, he is killed on a mission when Dobbs flies his plane into Nately's. Nately's hoar blames Yossarian and spends the rest of the book trying to murder him.

Lieutenant Scheisskopf
Further information: Scheisskopf
Scheisskopf is the training commander for Yossarian and Clevinger, and he takes a particular dislike to Clevinger. Even though Clevinger is just as serious about parades as Scheisskopf, and his ideas help the squadron win multiple parades, Scheisskopf still considers him a wise guy, and someone that needs to be brought down a peg or two.

Snowden
Further information: Yossarian
Snowden is a member of Yossarian's flight during a mission, and acts as catalyst for the fundamental change in Yossarian's mentality and outlook. After their plane takes heavy anti-aircraft fire, Snowden is mortally wounded and it is Yossarian who attempts to come to Snowden's aid by treating his visible wounds with bandages and sulfanilamide powder. Snowden's death leaves a lasting impression on Yossarian.

[edit] Other characters
Appleby – A young pilot from Iowa. He is described as being "as good at shooting craps as he was at playing ping-pong, and he was as good at playing ping-pong as he was at everything else." Appleby's character appears to represent those who thrive to a certain extent within a bureaucratic system and feel threatened by others who do not play along as much as they would like them to. He follows regulations without question and does everything he is supposed to do, managing to succeed at whatever he does.
Captain Black – Because of the lack of risk involved in not flying missions, Captain Black wanted to take over Major Duluth's position as squadron commander when the Major was killed over Perugia. He was thwarted, however, by Major Major, who was appointed squadron commander by Colonel Cathcart. Captain Black also constantly mocks his fellow countrymen at the Pianosa airbase when they are faced by dangerous missions, by constantly telling everyone to "eat your liver." Since he is the camp's intelligence officer, he is not on combat duty and can therefore maintain his gleeful attitude to the men risking their lives in the air.
Colonel Cargill – Cargill was a successful, though completely untalented, marketing executive. In the Air Force, Colonel Cargill provided his legendary lack of skills as General Peckem's troubleshooter. He took self-satisfaction in genius for ineptitude when addressing the enlisted men instead of the officers.
Clevinger – A highly principled, highly educated man who acts as Yossarian's foil within the story. His optimistic view of the world causes Yossarian to consider him to be a "dope", and he and Yossarian each believe the other is crazy.
Nurse Cramer – The best friend of Nurse Duckett and after Nurse Duckett starts a relationship with Yossarian, puritanical Nurse Cramer stops speaking to her.
Major Danby – A college professor and intellectual who sees himself as a poor match for the armed services. He briefs the airmen on upcoming missions.
Mrs. Daneeka
Further information: Doc Daneeka
Major —— de Coverley – Major —— de Coverley has a terrifying visage in the old Biblical tradition, so much so that men will do his desires without him even saying a word, and no one dares ask his first name. The exact nature of the Major's duties within the bomber group is uncertain. He is Major Major's executive officer, but at the squadron base in Pianosa his only official duties are pitching horseshoes, renting two-room apartments for the soldiers on rest leave, and kidnapping Italian laborers. His frequent appearance during the fall of major cities makes him an object of interest to intelligence agencies on both sides, neither of whom can identify him.
General Dreedle – The commander of the U.S. Army Air Corps base in Pianosa, Dreedle is an exceedingly blunt and ill-tempered man. He is an archetypal no-nonsense military man who does not care what the men under his command do as long as they fight and die unquestioningly when given orders. His arch-rival is General Peckem, head of Special Services in Rome; the two men frequently have their disputes mediated without their knowledge by the desk clerk, ex-P.F.C. Wintergreen.
Dobbs – Originally a healthy young man, the effects of excessive combat missions have shot Dobbs' nerves, and when the narration of the book begins he is emotionally unstable and physically spent. He is described as being one of the worst pilots in the corps and his mid-air panic leads him to snatch the controls of the plane away from Huple, when Snowden is killed.
Nurse Duckett – At the start of the novel Nurse Duckett does not like Yossarian but later on she has a relationship with Yossarian which jeopardizes her friendship with Nurse Cramer. She breaks off her affair with Yossarian when she decides to marry a doctor, and realizes she should not jeopardize her chances by carrying on openly with Yossarian.
Dunbar – An airman stationed at the same base as Yossarian, on the island of Pianosa. He and Yossarian seem to have similar personalities, and so they make fast friends. Like Yossarian, Dunbar's chief goal is to prolong his life to whatever extent possible.
Captain Flume – Captain Flume is the squadron's public relations officer, until he moves out of the trailer he shares with Chief White Halfoat after Halfoat threatens to slit Flume's throat open from ear to ear.
Giuseppe (the soldier who sees everything twice) – A delirious soldier who creates a panic in the hospital by shouting, "I see everything twice!" Yossarian imitates him (by seeing two fingers regardless of whether a doctor holds up one, two, or none) and later impersonates him when he dies. The soldier's family does not notice that Yossarian is not their son.
Gus & Wes
Further information: Doc Daneeka
Havermeyer – Havermeyer lives in the tent next to Yossarian's, and according to Colonel Cathcart he is "the best damn bombardier we've got." This was because he insists on flying his plane dead straight to, over, and past the target despite any anti-aircraft fire he receives.
Huple – A fifteen-year-old pilot who lied about his age to get into the Army, and shares a tent with Hungry Joe on the wrong side of the railway tracks. He has a cat that constantly sleeps on Hungry Joe's face.
Hungry Joe – Hungry Joe is noted for constantly trying to photograph women nude, claiming to be a photographer for Life magazine (which, ironically, he was before the war, although none of his pictures develop correctly). He is the only pilot who consistently finished the required number of missions (but was forced to continue flying as his paperwork was always delayed until the flight limit was elevated) and has screaming nightmares until he's ordered back onto combat status.
Sergeant Knight – The turret gunner on Yossarian's plane; he begins a panic prior to the Bologna operation when he brings extra flak jackets, causing everyone to think the target is deadly.
Corporal Kolodny – Captain Black's assistant. He erroneously reports that Bologna has been captured by the Allies after Yossarian redraws the lines on the battle map.
Lieutenant Colonel Korn – The assistant to Colonel Cathcart. Korn is sadistic, cynical, and humorless.
Kraft – A man killed at the bombing of a bridge at Ferrara. Yossarian blames himself, as he ordered the planes back after they missed the first time.
Luciana – A woman whom Yossarian briefly dates in Rome, Italy.
Further information: Luciana
Major Major Major Major
Further information: Major Major Major Major
McWatt – The pilot of Yossarian's plane. After accidentally killing Kid Sampson, he commits suicide by crashing his plane into a mountain.
Michaela
Further information: Captain Aardvark
Colonel Moodus – General Dreedle's son-in-law, whom the general hates.
Lieutenant Mudd – More frequently referred to as the dead man in Yossarian's tent, Mudd was killed in action before officially joining the squadron. No one will accept responsibility for Mudd and his belongings, and Sergeant Towser refuses to believe the man existed at all.
Orr – A bomber pilot in the squadron who is continually being shot down and having to crash land in the sea. Described as "a warm-hearted, simple-minded gnome", Orr is the only person in the group considered to be crazier than his good friend Yossarian, with whom he shares a tent.
Further information: Orr (Catch-22)
General Peckem – A personification of bureaucracy, General Peckem wants to replace General Dreedle as the head of combat operations in Pianosa.
Piltchard & Wren – Two captains in charge of squadron operations that are always mentioned in tandem. They are sympathetic towards Yossarian despite his desire to avoid missions.
Corporal Popinjay – The clerk present at Clevinger's trial; he is imprisoned for being too specific in his shorthand.
Kid Sampson – An underaged soldier killed by the propeller of McWatt's airplane. The event later drives McWatt to suicide and causes Doc Daneeka's bureaucratic "death".
Major Sanderson – A neurotic psychiatrist who is convinced that Yossarian is mentally unstable because he acts rationally.
Mrs. Scheisskopf – Scheisskopf is always too busy planning parades to fulfill his wife's masochistic sexual fantasies. Instead, she sleeps with Scheisskopf's cadets, so they can all get revenge on her husband.
Further information: Scheisskopf
Sammy Singer - the tailgunner on Yossarian's bomber when Snowden dies. While he is just a minor character in Catch-22, he becomes one of the main characters in the sequel, Closing Time.
Corporal Snark – The mess sergeant before Milo Minderbinder. He was demoted for purposely poisoning sweet potatoes with soap chips, giving the squadron diarrhea.
Dr. Stubbs
Further information: Doc Daneeka
Sergeant Towser – Major Major's assistant; he prevents anyone from seeing the Major while he is in his office, and only allows them in when the Major is gone, leaving him the de facto head of the squadron.
Corporal Whitcomb – An atheist who constantly antagonizes Chaplain Tappman, his direct superior.
Chief White Halfoat – An American Indian whose family was forced to move from wherever they settled because oil was always discovered. He is Captain Black's assistant.
Ex-P.F.C. Wintergreen – An ex-P.F.C. because of his constant urge to go AWOL, Wintergreen has been demoted so many times that he entertains hopes of becoming an ex-general. Due to his position in charge of mail distribution, he wields a great amount of power in the novel. By forging documents and destroying mail, he becomes more powerful than the generals.
[edit] Unnamed characters
The C.I.D. Investigators
Further information: C.I.D. Investigators
Dreedle's girl – Allegedly a nurse, she follows General Dreedle wherever he goes. She is a very attractive woman and Dreedle keeps her around to torment his son-in-law, Colonel Moodus, hoping to catch him in an adulterous situation for which he can punish him.
The maid with the lime-colored panties – A woman who Yossarian paradoxically falls in love with because she is the only woman that Yossarian can't possibly fall in love with.
Nately's hoar
Further information: Nately
The old man in Rome – A 107-year-old man who lives in the brothel frequented by Nately. He sides with whoever is in power and mocks Nately's idealism. He reminds Nately uncomfortably of his own father for the reason that the old man is absolutely nothing like his father.
The soldier in white – An unnamed soldier wrapped completely in bandages. He is connected to two bottles of unidentified and similar looking liquid, one which pumps the liquid through an IV into the soldier, and the other which drains the liquid from the soldier through a zinc catheter. When the bottles are respectively empty and full, they are switched around. Dunbar claims there is actually no one under the bandages.
The Texan – A man in the hospital ward who is so good-natured and friendly that no one in the ward can stand him; less than ten days after his arrival, the occupants of the ward all return to duty.
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desertcpl - 9-30-2010 at 06:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TheColoradoDude
If your driving further south than Empalme yes a permit is needed. I think mine cost 40 dollars and was good for the length of my Visa. I showed them registration and my license I believe. The permit place is located just past Empalme. If you have the time Alamos is a must to check out. Not far from Navajoa.

Here is some more info:

If you want to travel to the eastern part of Sonora, which includes the Route of the Rio Sonora, the lakes at Angostura and Novillo, and Moctezuma or to the southern part of Sonora including Obregon, Novojoa or Tobalabampo, you must have an Only Sonora (free) or the All Mexico (fee) vehicle permit. The catch is you can only get an Only Sonora permit at KM 21 south of Nogales or at KM 98, south of Empalme. There are no other issue points for the Only Sonora permit at this time.

Oh and this: Make sure you return your permit when you leave. There are signs near the KM21 south of Nogales that point you to the right direction.

All Mexico permits can be returned at any border crossing site served by a Banjercito office and the Only Sonora permit must be returned at KM 21 south of Nogales.


[Edited on 9-30-2010 by TheColoradoDude]


thanks,, not really user friendly is it

Packoderm - 9-30-2010 at 06:42 PM

Perhaps you could consider Sonora, the city in California. It is a scenic city set at 1,825 feet elevation in the Toulumne County area of the Sierra Nevada foothills. It is a versatile location for filming. In fact, over 300 films and TV shows have been filmed there. There are gold rush era museums to explore, and there is a rugged natural beauty that encourages jogging and bicycle riding. There are several bed and breakfasts for an enjoyable stay, and you can't beat a nice stroll through the downtown area.






Edited for poor spelling.

[Edited on 10/1/2010 by Packoderm]

LoyeB - 10-2-2010 at 07:02 PM

Colorado dude thanks for the offer!,I might have to take you up on that . But yea Im not too sure of the dates as of now.Ill keep in touch.