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Crime in Baja

sanquintinsince73 - 10-11-2010 at 07:47 AM

We pick up the television signal from XEWT in Tijuana here in San Diego. It is being reported this morning that there were 7 executions last night in TJ. In the first one 4 men were executed in their home in front of their families by a group of armed, masked men. Also, 2 men were found hanging from a bridge on the free road from TJ to Rosarito. Lastly, a man was found dead inside a vehicle with signs of torture.

Just a heads-up for all of you Nomads. Be aware of your surroundings and don't drive at night. I personally believe that if you are not involved the drug trade you are fairly safe. I myself always make my San Quintin trips at night but I think that I will start driving during the day until this blows over. FYI.

Baja&Back - 10-11-2010 at 09:20 AM

Good thinking, 73. NOBODY should be transiting Tijuana at 4AM. We'd hate to read your obit.

krafty - 10-11-2010 at 10:02 AM

tres steps forward ,dos steps back- this bites

bajabass - 10-11-2010 at 10:07 AM

I drove thru downtown Tj at about 12:45 last night. Very quiet. Unusually long 45 minute wait at 1am. I'd rather wait till midnight, spend more time in La Mision, less time in line and on the 5.

Woooosh - 10-11-2010 at 10:11 AM

There is a lot of bad stuff going on as the Sonora cartel has moved in and fighting with the CAF. Two decapitated dead bodies hanging off the Tijuana Rosarito free road last night. Last week the Ensenada Army Captain was kidnapped, killed and delivered to the Ensenada morgue. It's going to be much worse as El Teo and the Stew Makers friends have come to town. They are shaking down the small guys for $10K each (small shopkeepers and taco stand vendors). They aren't bothering tourists or expats yet, but they will once they win. And the Sinaloas will win- they have the backing of the Mexican government which is what causes the violence in Juarez. TJ could become Juarez-like very quickly imho.

I'm not posting this type news here any more... but if you look at other sites, it's there.

toneart - 10-11-2010 at 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
They aren't bothering tourists or expats yet, but they will once they win. And the Sinaloas will win- they have the backing of the Mexican government which is what causes the violence in Juarez. TJ could become Juarez-like very quickly imho.



Woooosh- Don't you think that when the Sinaloas win, with Mexican Government backing (like I have been saying for some time now), that it will return to pre-Fox/Calderon days with "business as usual"? I would think that there would be little occasion for violence against tourists then. They would all gain from tourism at that point.

While the turf war is still on, tourists and expats may become targets, but they aren't yet. I am keenly aware of the potential and am monitoring it closely. If this starts to happen, I will make the proper adjustments.

DENNIS - 10-11-2010 at 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
I'm not posting this type news here any more... but if you look at other sites, it's there.


Few listen anyway. You can't bring the news to those who don't want to hear it.
This grotesque ordeal has been ongoing for years and there's no end in sight.
For too many in the states, the lack of reporting is mistakenly seen as peace and quiet. The truth is far from that.

The war between the cartels will end eventually only to bring new problems. What will vanquished soldiers do? I believe the answer to that will be provided by the softest target.

bajabass - 10-11-2010 at 02:34 PM

I may have my head buried in the sand. I have spent 30-50 weekends a year, for the past 5 years, in La Mision and Ensenada.
I have avoided the sketchy areas of TJ, Rosarito, and Ensenada. No more partying in the back street dives. :cool:
Granted, La Mision is a quiet little burg for sure. Until they shot the hell out of the police station, right after they arrested Sr. Pozole at Baja Seasons. That happened in the middle of the night.:(
Other than a murder at La Salina, tragic, but not a cartel thing, life is back to normal near my home. I do hold my breath, waiting and watching. :?:
The petty crime is up, but it is up everywhere in Baja. No work, no food, steal if you have to. Easy to rationalize if you have not eaten a decent meal in days.
It seems that if you avoid drugs, druggies, and the wrong parts of towns, no problem. I just hope it stays that way. The wholesale carjackings and robberies of gringos has pretty much been halted.
I know there have been a few incidents and near misses amongst members of this forum, but all in all, other than mordida, it is back to normal regarding gringos living and traveling in Baja.
Just watch your back, which I have been doing since my first surf trip to Baja in 1973.
Northbound last night at midnight, checkpoint before the Rosarito toll booth. Had a talk, with 2 Marines, albeit basic, our two levels of Spanglish worked well enough. We discussed my most dangerous moment in Baja in over 35 years. As I approached that same point, about midnight last Sunday, a Chevy truck with Baja plates flew by me as the cones narrow it to one lane. Going at least 70, the driver slammed on the brakes no more than 100ft from 2 small cars stopped at the checkpoint. I stopped and watched the truck hit the car going about 40. The car rammed the car ahead, sending it forward about 30 ft, the sandwiched car and truck both hit the barricade the Marines stand behind.
Narcos!! Oh poopola!! One Marine gets to his feet aiming his rifle at the truck, I am ready to put in reverse and vaminos! Now 3 Marines are locked, loaded, and the truck is covered, the door opens, and a young, barefoot little Mexican girl stumbles out, STONE DRUNK!
As I said, just watch your back. Turns out it was 2 of the same 3 Marines as last Sunday. They said that was their scariest moment in their young careers. Thought it was narcos for sure. Nope, just another drunk!
Be Smart, Be Safe, and

tripledigitken - 10-11-2010 at 02:47 PM

Nothing says Mexico like bodies swinging from a bridge!:fire:


I'm afraid it's going to get much worse in Baja.

Having said that, I'm getting ready for a two week trip later this month!

*How much worse does it have to get before you won't go?

*How long does saying to yourself, "it doesn't effect the tourists", mask the concern?

Ken

[Edited on 10-11-2010 by tripledigitken]

Woooosh - 10-11-2010 at 02:58 PM

My family says the "pemex" bridge is the one near the the Home Depot exit in Rosarito. The street over it is the 5 &10 that runs to TJ. That would be a very bad story for Rosarito had anyone reported it correctly. Blood dripping on cars from the headless bodies hanging above the toll road running through central Rosarito? Not good.

That cartel will not discriminate in their income sources- everyone pays them. It's the way they roll. Their leader isn't a billionaire from being charitable. They may wait a bit to target Americans and tourists, but they eventually will. It's their nature. They don't love Mexico, they love and respect their family, their organization, money and power. Nothing else.

It was much calmer here the last year and things were getting back to normal. That's gone as of last week imho. But yo won;t read about it in the papers. Either it's been blacked out due to tourist sensitivity or the Sinaloa cartel is doing what they did in Juarez- tell the media what to report or else.

I don't know how they feel about us talking on message boards like this. I'm sure their kids read it. We'll find out I guess.

[Edited on 10-11-2010 by Woooosh]

bajabass - 10-11-2010 at 04:34 PM

I hope and pray you are wrong Woooosh! Baja needs a break for sure!:yes:

Woooosh - 10-11-2010 at 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by bajabass
I hope and pray you are wrong Woooosh! Baja needs a break for sure!:yes:

A break? Baja has been virtually unscathed.

crime in baja

nanbanan - 10-12-2010 at 08:59 AM

my sis and i are planning a trip to punta banda tomorrow but in light of these new executions i'm somewhat nervous. she has large huevos and thinks nothing of going forward with our plans. i just would like someone else's view of 2 girls traveling to punta banda alone. we're not new to baja, been going to punta banda since the 60s, so actually we're not girls either but middle aged women looking for some time in the sun. thanks for your help.

DENNIS - 10-12-2010 at 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by nanbanan
my sis and i are planning a trip to punta banda tomorrow but in light of these new executions i'm somewhat nervous. she has large huevos and thinks nothing of going forward with our plans. i just would like someone else's view of 2 girls traveling to punta banda alone. we're not new to baja, been going to punta banda since the 60s, so actually we're not girls either but middle aged women looking for some time in the sun. thanks for your help.



Welcome to BajaNomad. You've come to the right place with your concerns.
Just listen to the basic suggestions you'll find here. Don't drive at night and don't go into neighborhoods in which you have no business.
Additionally, if I were a woman driving alone in mexico, I would buy one of those facial appliances, ...you know....the black horn-rimmed glass frames with the big nose and bushy mustache. Nobody will bother you if you keep them on during your entire stay.

Jes Kiddin'. Enjoy your trip and be as vigilant as you would be anywhere.

bajabass - 10-12-2010 at 09:11 AM

Very easy, simply do not stop in TJ or Rosarito. Go straight to the toll road, enjoy the view, and go straight to Ensenada. Fill the tank, get anything you may need, then head out to Punta Banda and relax. Reverse the procedure going north, no TJ-Rosarito stops, head straight to the border. If Puerto Nuevo or La Fonda are on the list, fine, just hit the border before dark.

nanbanan - 10-12-2010 at 09:23 AM

thank you so much for your advice. we plan on doing just that - do not pass go, do not collect $200. straight there to soak up some sun and cerveza.

Woooosh - 10-12-2010 at 09:31 AM

Go for it using the standard travel cautions posted above and elsewhere on this site. There have been some store robberies in downtown Rosarito but they aren't spraying bullets around like a few years ago.

Tourists and expats have not been caught-up in this blossoming new wave of violence. It is specific, it is targeted, and it is narco cartel against narco cartel at this point. It's up to the Mexican government to make sure it doesn't take Baja down.

(I think there must be another PeMex bridge. A news story I read said this is the same bridge they hung bodies off of a few years back- and no bodies have ever been hung above the toll road in Rosarito)

MsTerieus - 10-12-2010 at 09:57 AM

When are you going, Nan? FYI, I will be going, all by my lonesome, next Saturday. I made such a trip in August, without incident. I stopped in TJ just long enough to pick up a rental car, and then I got the Heck outta there, driving straight to Punta Banda. :o I had a very good time! :tumble:

I'm more concerned about this trip, as I must be in TJ, at the end of my trip, for 36 hours or so. :(

[Edited on 10-12-2010 by MsTerieus]

Mexicorn - 10-12-2010 at 10:16 AM

So does this mean the Rosarito convention center will never be completed?
Its destiney ti become anotber skeletal structure along the coast like that CDDG monster just south of twinkie land?

Woooosh - 10-12-2010 at 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by Mexicorn
So does this mean the Rosarito convention center will never be completed?
Its destiney ti become anotber skeletal structure along the coast like that CDDG monster just south of twinkie land?

Who knows. I'd ask the guys across the street building the Naos project. Maybe they are thinking the convention center will give them a competitive advantage. There is apparently no shortage of narco cash to build them, just no one to buy and fill them when they are completed.

what time is a good time?

msawin - 10-12-2010 at 11:44 AM

Headed south Saturday AM early. Need fmt's. Was going to Otay
but Tijuana open 24hrs ? .... But How early is to early?

Driving to Loreto so the soon I cross the sooner we get home.
Would like to cross 5:00'ish AM... still a little dark..

marty

tripledigitken - 10-12-2010 at 12:09 PM

I would hit the San Ysidro crossing to get your FMT at sunrise.

The riskiest portion of the trip is the first 70 miles, we drive it in daylight these days.

(the old days we timed sunrise at the turnoff to Punta Banda)

Have a great drive.

Ken

surfer jim - 10-12-2010 at 12:58 PM

Narco conventions? Maybe that's what it can be used for.:light:

nanbanan - 10-12-2010 at 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus
When are you going, Nan? FYI, I will be going, all by my lonesome, next Saturday. I made such a trip in August, without incident. I stopped in TJ just long enough to pick up a rental car, and then I got the Heck outta there, driving straight to Punta Banda. :o I had a very good time! :tumble:

I'm more concerned about this trip, as I must be in TJ, at the end of my trip, for 36 hours or so. :(

[Edited on 10-12-2010 by MsTerieus]


we're leaving wednesday am and probably coming back sat or sun. you're brave to travel alone. enjoy your trip.

gnukid - 10-12-2010 at 04:06 PM

I've been thinking about this thread in conjunction posters such as Dennis' somewhat pessimistic view, I have some optimistic thoughts and testimonial which I would like to posit. If you are interested in a longer view to the Baja Crime discussion and circumstances from a personal and historical perspective, please read this and consider what actions you can take.

First, I just completed a trip from Northern California through the central part of the State following a adaption of Skeet's suggested route, I traveled out the 46 to Oildale to the 385, to meet the 15 and across at Otay Mesa to continue South through Baja to the tip. I found that crime, gangs and drug use and corruption was obviously prevalent in California along with massive police presence along with many daily reported failures to catch criminals. In Northern California, a proliferation of police shakedowns were observed for crimes such as speeding one mile over the speed limit or parking one minute over a limit. In Baja traffic, conversely, I have yet to witness serious crime or drugs in Baja or Baja Sur, nor a marketed Police presence. In La Paz, I found a tranquil city with strong cross functional policing presence and many of the well known problematic half wit criminals were in rehabilitation, in jail or out and at work. While Police presence was visible in BCS, there was a distinct lack of shakedowns observed a general cooperative effort was observed with drivers clearly signaling to others to proceed ahead at cuatro altos, in order to allow fast intersections. Police were visibly tolerant of safe rolling stops, cars with no plates, or of cars lacking proper lights such as race cars or sport project cars. Not once yet over the last month have I witnessed a police shakedown where previously this was observed multiple times daily, even with many passes through cities such as Mexicali, Constitucion, La Paz etc... and the people en route have been the most sincere and respectful people I can recall meeting worldwide, not to mention thoughtful, open minded, critical of societal failures yet able to discuss and philospohize society and politics calmly More so, there are reports of casual criminals being caught every night by attentive people calling out and identifying the criminals. From the top to the bottom criminals and corruptos are being identified, denounced and pursued by the public at large through public declarations, in newspapers, radio and tv every day.

Taking a long view at crime in Baja, comparative analysis of crime reports between regions or countries has some limited benefits, because crime statistics may be under or over reported. But a closer look can benefit readers from relevant relational data, for example, for a specific region did the crime increase and of what sort or type? For example, the USA has more people in jail than China whose population is far greater, exceeding billions, yet the common perception within the USA is that China fails to respect humans rights and that the US does, or that China is corrupt and the USA is not. While, the USA, with it's massive incarceration, evidence of human rights abuses, torture, absurd immigration double-standards and drone plane assassinations not to mention CIA assassination teams, would clearly meet the qualifications of a totalitarian human rights abuser far more so than China and even more so than Mexico whose incarceration rate and abuses is fractionally lower than China. What is going on here? The perception versus the reality does not make sense. Is there a case of false perception or marketing or is Mexico lawless and the USA lawful?

More generally one might ask is lawless increasing in Mexico, where, how and why?

In regard to the news reports of murders and beheadings in Baja and reported statistics we should ask basic questions first:

What is happening and can I affect change on the situation?

At a glance, certainly the reported Mexico beheadings and murders appear quite similar to actions that are reportedly occurring within USA's aggressions abroad by mercenary contractors employed by the DOD from within the Pentagon under multi-national companies known as Blackwater or Xe in affiliation with military contracting companies Haliburton, Dyncorp etc... Are mercenaries are working in a similar capacity, creating insurgent actions of terrorism as part of a global strategy in Mexico under Merida Initiative funding?

The first question, What is happening? requires a longer comparative view, apparently simultaneously crime has increased in both California and Baja. There is little accurate historical data about Baja but there is anecdotal data. It seems like Baja is more dangerous as is California. In California, USA, up until prior to the 1980's, society experienced comparatively lower incarceration rates, a growing and productive economy as well as the highest educational scores in the Nation. Now, California has among the lowest scores in education in the Nation, the incarceration rate is among the highest in the world with nearly 1:100 incarcerated and our state is bankrupt while Governor Swarztneggar continues to work on the side as an actor to make fictional movies such as "The Expendibles". Government servants working simulateously in private industry would never have been tolerated in comparative societies. We ask why now? What is happening now that the public allow political leaders to work simultaneously in private industry effectively a compromise of ethics?

Daily corruption in Baja is reported from top to bottom in Government and institutions. There are either of two obvious answers, 1) there are idiots running amock in institutional politics, education and businesses or 2) there is a manufactured decline of the moral fabric of society for the benefit of institutional benefactors-the Monarchical multi-national financial leaders have orchestrated chaos for their personal benefit. Many argue both the conspiratorial and accidental theories are true, failure is both allowed to happen and made to happen in order or bring about societal control.

Looking back at society over hundreds of years, most society were based on a feudal system of Nation States. Monarchies have attempted to control the majority of the population through various means from slavery to indentured work, lack of representation or the use of sheer violent intimidation. Over time, feudal Nation States, which where/are common, have fought for power over the populace and each other, however, the families in control, the bloodlines have largely remained the same while in some cases they changed their names, today it is accepted that most Monarchical leaders as well as leaders of the Republic of USA and Mexican Presidents are all closely related. At times monarchies power was broken and subsequently rejoined such as when Germany was separated following World War II or for example the reunification of Germany in 1990, the pattern of Monarchy control persists.

When political strategists such as the Fabian Socialists, Bilderbergers, (CFR) Council on Foreign Relations, or TRi Lateral Commission or N-zis for example look at beneficial solutions for controlling the populace, many ideas, theories and strategies have been presented over hundreds of years. One idea has been to end the tiresome individual Nation State paradigm and replace it with a global company or global regime, today, and over the last 100 years, this is commonly refered to by the political presenters as their New World Order or Global Government by people such as the Queen of England and George Bush, for example. The Fabian Socialists were among globalists who strategized various incremental institutional systems to incrementally change from a feudal system of Nation States to a global regime through incremental chaos, one idea often floated is micro-poisoning the water to reduce the intelligence and reasoning ability of the populace. Another is to affect and reduce food opportunity or reduce health care opportunities. Today sodium flouride is commonly distributed in water systems in the USA, while it is also commonly used a rat poison. Historically California alone could produce enough food to feed nearly the entire world, yet today farms are either paid to not farm, disbanded or water resources have been reduced to reduce California's food output to the point where food shortage exists and costs are rising, more over health care options are increasingly expensive and restrictive.

Significant sociological strategists in North America such as Francis Galton, Margaret Sanger, Aldous Huxley and Alice Bailey have urged the use of institutional eugenics to curtail less than desirable strains of populations versus desirable strains, eugenics efforts were institutionalized in American through forced sterilizations of indigenous people, outright murder, reduced fertility experiments etc... implicitly implying that their own families, the Galtons, Sangers, and Baileys were more desirable than others who were perceived to be less intelligent or less productive. Regardless of the evidence that interbreeding proves to be problematic causing health problems, interbreeding of powerful families and monarchies was and remains condoned while eugenics polices or social engineering proliferate both as experiments and as policy most often with drastic results. It appears that drug related deaths are among many forms of eugenics, where the corporate state profits from the individual while killing them, like cigarettes and the vast medicinal market.

In any context, there is a dynamic where for every action there is a reaction, there is a constant dynamic, or politic which may be affected, by creating an extreme, an opposite extreme proliferates, when manufactured, these extreme actions can be more easily controlled, sometimes this is called the tallest poppy strategy, where the standouts can be recognized and cut down, or the best way to beat the enemy is be the enemy, or keep your friends close and enemies closer. For example, a person such as JFK, MLK, Ghandi when acting in response to an increasingly powerful Monarchical Military Complex is identified and removed.

In the context of societal control an atmosphere of corruption is advantageous, whereas the Peter Principle is derived, in this institutional ideal, people in power are promoted up to their level of incompetence, in achieving incompetence versus intelligent-ethical and moral decision-making in productive environments, greater control of society and institutions is possible through compromised agents in control. When agents are not able to be controlled they may be removed and replaced based on their apparent corruption.

A simple example is if you had a high ranking military officer of good moral fiber who followed the basic ideals of SOFA or Status of Forces, or the Geneva Rights Treaty which defines how troops should be treated, this high ranking officer would be less likely to be compromised or in fact impossible to compromise-- torture, murder, etc... would not be tolerated. Whereas a compromised high ranking officer is easily corrupted to allow any sort of compromise to due process, ethics or morals, slavery, theft, prostitution, torture, pedophilia is allowed to occur within a corrupt system, even encouraged and prosecution of failures of due process are reserved for those of high moral fiber and ethics.

In strategizing a worldwide plan for movement from feudal Monarchies toward global Monarchy, Monarchists strategize to create an environment of corruption, where corrupt leaders are allowed to persist and are promoted over good moral and ethical individuals thereby a system of collective control may be achieved.

For example, in a compromised system, corrupt CEO's are promoted, corrupt generals are promoted, corruption throughout society is tolerated, allowed, fostered, encouraged, ignored ad inifinitum. Examples of this coddled corruption are present and proliferating throughout our most recent 100 year history and certainly previously as well. In addition a compromised strategy encourages and promotes the populace to live in an elevated level of fear, uncertain about morality. In effect the populace is living with a cognitive dissonance between what they understand to be the way to live life morally, versus the immorality they experience in their daily life, cognitive dissonance creates a disarmed public, devoid of a sense of common morality, without rules to live by, they are disjoined, lacking trust and less likely to join together to affect majority control. Some examples are well broadcast news reports of pedophilia in the clergy for example in the Catholic Church, slave trade within the United Nations, unethical behavior of child protective services etc... whether by allowing or making it on purpose, a dissonant moral fabric of society, results in a populace divided, both in terms of their ability to understand their environment and their ability to react to it. Whereas a populace who is educated, capable of intelligent critical thinking, discussion, collusion, cooperation and group action would be capable of achieving a moral society, an equal society without economic, racial or gender barriers defined by family ties, royalty and nepotism.

Historically, in response to Monarchy a Republic was initiated for example the USA was founded as a Republic which apolitical system with checks and balances, monopolies were restricted which provided a even playing field for people to work without obstacles and blocks put in place by multi-generational multi-national institutional monarchies. The Monarchies recognize the Republic as a threat to their domination and attempt to dismantle it through broad techniques allowing failures to persist.

What can we do?

Individuals are powerful. Groups are more powerful. People have an amazing ability to affect change, some examples are well known and previously noted as Thomas Jefferson, John F Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Ghandi among many many others. These examples show that, simply put every person is infinitely connected to the solution, infinitely powerful to cause change through actions precipitated by critical discussion and thoughtful action.

An example of this is as follows, I previously noted on BN the presence of a gang of about 20 corrupt men in our barrio, (recall many on BN ridiculed me and my neighbors for standing against the criminals saying we would be killed among other defeating comments). The thieves apparently worked in conjunction with police and institutions to sell stolen goods, sell drugs and the institutions failed to prosecute thieves. Daily, the good moral people of the neighborhood had to defend themselves, locate their stolen car batteries in order to get to work and buy them back for 20 pesos to be used for drugs etc... Police arrived often but apparently only to facilitate the distribution of stolen goods and drugs, corruption was prevalent.

Finally, one day the neighborhood stood as witness to criminal behavior en masse against the corrupt gang in broad daylight, women, men, children, seniors, incapacitated individuals in wheel chairs etc... stood against the gang. Together they signed a declaration against the gang, they also filed an institutional report naming the criminals, nothing happened, but the good people persisted. Nothing happened, they persisted, finally, it became clear that the system was at fault allowing the criminal corruption to feed off of the good moral families. Awkward keystone cop moments followed, where the denounced thieves were clearly allowed to persist, even at times under police escort. Standoffs between families of corrupt thieves and institutional workers versus families of good morals followed. Tense moments filled with shouting machetee wielding rage blossomed. Interestingly the two sides, moral versus criminal, blamed each other, the thieves tended to blame the moral families for their plight-both concluding with sighs and statements such as -this is how it is, and nothng we can we do, were common.

But the people persisted and eventually the corrupt police and thieves were not even allowed to walk the streets without being confronted, protesters went to the police station daily (with little result), alternative forces were contacted to contradict the corrupt thieves and police in addition to increased attentiveness, cooperation, use of tools such as photography and video and testimony to witness criminal behavior.

Eventually the thieves were run out and put in jail, however as expected, they were released promptly, claiming rehabilitation, they came back, yet good moral people persisted to fight back, individually and collectively against the institutional corruption. The thieves have had no option but to leave or rehabilitate, they have begun to look for work, the institutional corrupt leaders of police, government and business have had to either leave or alter their behavior in order to ask if they could be allowed back to the now quiet and safe neighborhood even asking if they could live in the neighborhood if they followed the set rules of moral people. Still, the people, the general population remain attentive, they greet their counterparts face to face to check if they are in fact following through with moral actions versus criminal behavior, peer pressure is prevalent, basically the people are involved in their community, each person is engaged in the community activity, no one will tolerate corruption for even one moment. Corruption and criminal behavior generates an immediate and strong community response.

To be clear, I take no credit for my neighborhood's strength, I am not a special person, they did the work in my absence but I do support the actions and have done so in simple steps which I have written about here, such as sharing food, sharing ideas on growing gardens and composting and standing against criminals, actually sometimes just listening. To those who echoed defeatist comments such as those who stand against crime will be killed, I would argue that it makes little sense to argue against standing up to crime as a successful strategy, a failure to stop criminal activity will certainly result that either you will be killed as a targeted victim or as an unintended victim, so you really have no choice but stand up for yourself or give in entirely.

There is an explanation for the crime in Baja, California, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc... there is a history. There is a reason we are in a state of increased crime, highly promoted crime stories and marketed terror threats. There is a reason that corruption is allowed to exist unprosecuted, while the USA Military Complex is the most powerful in the world that can achieve anything for example kill any person with the push of a button, why they can't they feed every person with the push of a button-or stop crime, or maintain the best education system? Answer: because they do not want to stop crime nor do they want a well feed educated public.

To stop the forces that allow crime, people must educate themselves about society, the world, the Hegelian dialect of problem-reaction-solution, which is used to manipulate people and control society, by using critical thinking, reading, writing and arithmetic, to participate in discussion, rhetoric and reason to understand the dynamics around you, will see that most of the compromises and corruption that occurs happen by your agreement, you sign your name to contract with a corrupt system and agree to abide by it or you can choose not to. Furthermore, one must consider the goals and implications of the Monarchies influences on our lives historically and the present versus our ability to act as independent moral society. Know what you are, using what we know about the world historically, to deny the influence of Monarchical multi-generational mullti-national institutions influence on communities, to reduce the power of a global corporate state. Allowing and creating corruption is to fail to understand that you control your world around you. It is entirely up to individuals working together to create checks and balances in society, reaffirm moral values or to accept the role of the individual as a slave to the monarchy, it's your choice. Either stand up or stand down.



[Edited on 10-13-2010 by gnukid]

krafty - 10-12-2010 at 04:54 PM

doesn't help all the dead or us trying to live comfortably and scare free in Baja

MsTerieus - 10-12-2010 at 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by krafty
doesn't help all the dead or us trying to live comfortably and scare free in Baja


You actually READ that whole post?! :lol::lol::lol:

KASHEYDOG - 10-12-2010 at 05:29 PM

Hey I just spent 3 days last week in Rosarito Beach at the Hotel. Had dinners there and Ensenada. "ALL'S WELL" in both places. Take all the usual precautions and just enjoy Baja, PLEASE. The usual precautions haven't changed since I was 20 years old in 1966 when I first started going down and it was..:fire:"so dangerous" down there..:lol:..
The bad guys are not looking for you. They're looking for their partners in crime. Just don't get in the way.

gnukid - 10-12-2010 at 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by krafty
doesn't help all the dead or us trying to live comfortably and scare free in Baja


Each person needs to consider these issues on their own and talk about it with friends, once you do come to a greater understanding of who what and how the crime problem is being created and promoted you will find a position without fear and find methods to reduce crime around you.

We ended the control of a very powerful crime ring in my neighborhood. I can't talk about everything here obviously, but in the process we needed to stand up directly to criminals without fear, we had to start by listening to them and feeding them to get them to think straight, they backed down, eventually all 20 of the main crime gang have been either rehabilitated or have moved on, including those in government and police.

It required no force, no weapons, nothing but sheer will and determination of women, men, seniors and kids. Today, we sit and listen to birds sing as opposed to 24 hours of drug induced fighting and cars pulling in and out. It took a few years.

Now we share recipes and gardening tips. Does anyone remember Chino Muleta well he is out of jail and trying to get along, he is fatter. We can only take every day as it comes.

The first step is to come to terms with who and what is behind political control and lack of control, media etc... The second step is to see yourself as your own leader. Third step is up to you.

No one can make you feel some way unless you let them.

JESSE - 10-12-2010 at 07:32 PM

P-nches sinaloas are back and bringing their savage tactics, when is the goverment going to go after these idiots, they have the whole nation at war because of them.

msawin - 10-12-2010 at 08:57 PM

So.....
Do you think early.... is too early???

DENNIS - 10-12-2010 at 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by msawin
So.....
Do you think early.... is too early???



Maybe we need an EARLY poll.

jeremias - 10-12-2010 at 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by msawin
So.....
Do you think early.... is too early???


Si, temprano es muy temprano.

"the poll"

msawin - 10-12-2010 at 09:34 PM

sounds good to me the.... "early poll"



marty

Woooosh - 10-13-2010 at 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by surfer jim
Narco conventions? Maybe that's what it can be used for.:light:

The old Oasis Hotel and RV place that was torn down was on part of the NAOS site. It was owned by the CAF. The more things change, the more they remain the same I guess.

Woooosh - 10-13-2010 at 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
p-nches sinaloas are back and bringing their savage tactics, when is the goverment going to go after these idiots, they have the whole nation at war because of them.

I thought the Sinaloas basically owned the gov't- hook , line and stinkers. Wasn't it you that said "follow the money?". Well, they got the money- Billions. And the top gov't people (political leaders, military, judicial) have been on their payroll for so long they can't be separated without bringing the whole gov't down. I think for peace you just have to support the Sinaloas, let them wipe out the local CAF and hope they become kinder to their corpses and the rest of us.

DENNIS - 10-13-2010 at 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
The old Oasis Hotel and RV place that was torn down



Yeah..........that was one of the many hotels in Mexico that never show a vacancy on the books, but never have a breathing guest.

An interesting story about that place [I know...I've told it before, but I'm in the mood to be repeatedly redundant].
Around ten years back, the military stormed the place and took possession of it. Armed guards everywhere. Seems their was a breakdown in communication between the cartel and the Army. Well...the damage was done, the Army had the hotel and the world knew about it.

What to do...What to do....What to do.

After pondering the dilemma and ironing out the differences in the back room, the military decided to return the hotel saying that after exaustive investigation, it was found that the hotel wasn't actually owned by the AF cartel, but by their mother....whom I assume owns the property to this day.

See how easy it all is? Even the Army will make a mistake now and then. This time their mistake was messing with the wrong people.

Woooosh - 10-13-2010 at 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
The old Oasis Hotel and RV place that was torn down



Yeah..........that was one of the many hotels in Mexico that never show a vacancy on the books, but never have a breathing guest.

An interesting story about that place [I know...I've told it before, but I'm in the mood to be repeatedly redundant].
Around ten years back, the military stormed the place and took possession of it. Armed guards everywhere. Seems their was a breakdown in communication between the cartel and the Army. Well...the damage was done, the Army had the hotel and the world knew about it.

What to do...What to do....What to do.

After pondering the dilemma and ironing out the differences in the back room, the military decided to return the hotel saying that after exaustive investigation, it was found that the hotel wasn't actually owned by the AF cartel, but by their mother....whom I assume owns the property to this day.

See how easy it all is? Even the Army will make a mistake now and then. This time their mistake was messing with the wrong people.

True, and the mother still lives in a very nice Coronado home and has Sunday brunch at the Hotel Del Coronado to this very day. Mexican men always take good care of their mothers (and families).

DENNIS - 10-13-2010 at 08:32 AM

Here's another good one. Remember Jorge Hank Rhon, past mayor of Tijuana and current owner of Caliente sports betting? Oh, good. You remember. I'll bet you also remember his father who was one of the most powerful people in the Mexican government.
Well....Jorge, who did pretty much whatever he wanted to do with impunity, flew back into Mexico from a trip to China with a pile of prohibited goods, such as Ivory.
He was apprehended at the airport and dutifully charged for possession of the goods.

OH OH......................Now what? Daddy got wind of this official disrespect and heads started to roll...in the old sense.

What to do....What to do....What to do

The solution all of a sudden became clear. The prohibited goods were deemed FAKE. They wre some kind of Chinese plastic.

Charges were dropped and life went on.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-13-2010 at 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Here's another good one. Remember Jorge Hank Rhon, past mayor of Tijuana and current owner of Caliente sports betting? Oh, good. You remember. I'll bet you also remember his father who was one of the most powerful people in the Mexican government.
Well....Jorge, who did pretty much whatever he wanted to do with impunity, flew back into Mexico from a trip to China with a pile of prohibited goods, such as Ivory.
He was apprehended at the airport and dutifully charged for possession of the goods.

OH OH......................Now what? Daddy got wind of this official disrespect and heads started to roll...in the old sense.

What to do....What to do....What to do

The solution all of a sudden became clear. The prohibited goods were deemed FAKE. They wre some kind of Chinese plastic.

Charges were dropped and life went on.

A little side note to Dennis' post. Jorge Hank Rhon's father was offered the presidency of Mexico back in the day but he declined. He said he had more power as is. Today Hank Rhon is worth around $700 million, he owns all calientes in mexico and Pueblo Amigo Hotel in TJ to name a few.

DENNIS - 10-13-2010 at 11:42 AM

All you ever wanted to know about the Hanks, and thensome:


http://www.customscorruption.com/white_tiger/operation.htm

sanquintinsince73 - 10-13-2010 at 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
All you ever wanted to know about the Hanks, and thensome:


http://www.customscorruption.com/white_tiger/operation.htm

Damn good reading, thank you Dennis.