BajaNomad - I KNOW WHO DID IT

I KNOW WHO DID IT

JESSE - 11-10-2010 at 05:02 AM

As many of you know, i lost two of my cats about 8 months ago, it was a painful loss for me, took me months to recover.

I know who did it.

???

JESSE - 11-10-2010 at 05:04 AM

:fire:

JESSE - 11-10-2010 at 05:21 AM

Serenity now! serenity now!

Russ - 11-10-2010 at 05:31 AM

I think you should put who ever stole your cat on the menu. :light:

JESSE - 11-10-2010 at 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by Russ
I think you should put who ever stole your cat on the menu. :light:

Serenity now! serenity now!

JESSE - 11-10-2010 at 05:37 AM

I know your wondering why i am not sleeping, and thats because a couple of hours ago, i went out to get my cats in, and i heard a cry from one of my cats, i looked, and he was inside a TRAP. Its a neighbour.

:fire:

I am so angry i can't sleep.

JESSE - 11-10-2010 at 05:39 AM

I am going to put and end, to this custom of killing or poisoning cats here in baja.

ELINVESTIG8R - 11-10-2010 at 05:41 AM

Don't kill anyone unless you are 100% sure they did something to your kitties. I killed the MF-ER who killed my Tommy. It was a coyote. I Tracked the blood trail up through the fire break for about 1 mile and caught him eating my Tommy. I Shot him 15 times with my Beretta 94F.

Russ - 11-10-2010 at 05:44 AM

"Serenity now! serenity now! "
My a$$ we're talking WAR!
Of course if your cats are spraying all over his property then I kinda understand his position.
I hate it when a cat does that in my car!
Good Luck!

JESSE - 11-10-2010 at 05:47 AM

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Originally posted by Russ
"Serenity now! serenity now! "
My a$$ we're talking WAR!
Of course if your cats are spraying all over his property then I kinda understand his position.
I hate it when a cat does that in my car!
Good Luck!

Talk to me and the problem is over, but killing the animals? thats a different ballgame.

JESSE - 11-10-2010 at 05:50 AM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Don't kill anyone unless you are 100% sure they did something to your kitties. I killed the MF-ER who killed my Tommy. It was a coyote. I Tracked the blood trail up through the fire break for about 1 mile and caught him eating my Tommy. I Shot him 15 times with my Beretta 94F.

My Glock .40 is angry and ready to go.

Cypress - 11-10-2010 at 06:11 AM

JESSE, That's bad news. :fire:

. Wouldn't shoot anyone over a pet. But a good dose of "lex talionis" is in order.

Bob and Susan - 11-10-2010 at 06:18 AM

for us "gentiles"...

"lex talionis" = "an eye for an eye"

Keri - 11-10-2010 at 07:10 AM

So Sorry Jessie ,my cats are my babies too. I know how you feel. Please try to keep a calm head. Don't get yourself in trouble.k

oldlady - 11-10-2010 at 07:19 AM

Yada, Yada, Yada,...."waste" the SOB....how can I help?

Please Think This Through

Gypsy Jan - 11-10-2010 at 07:26 AM

And be careful, whatever you decide.

I think you are sharing this with us because we understand you anger, pain and grief.

Some people make me ashamed to claim the kinship, but we still are part of the same species that has that ability for incredible cruelty and heartlessness.

bajabass - 11-10-2010 at 07:26 AM

Yup, an a$$ whooping is in order! As Bill Cosby was fond of saying, "Let the beatings commence". Did you get him out of the trap Jesse? I hope so!

longlegsinlapaz - 11-10-2010 at 07:52 AM

:fire:

Maybe all Nomads within 20 miles should caravan to his place & have a heart-to-heart conversation with this SOB & explain the error of his ways....up close & personal.

Sadly, because of a general apathy towards animals as pets in this culture, I doubt that there is any way you could pursue action through law enforcement....I doubt that there are any animal protection laws on the books! :fire:

I hope to hell he just used food as bait to entice the cat into the cage & not poisoned bait!

Be smart Jesse!! Maybe threaten to "out" him & his actions to the community.

Yep....waste that dude and get married!

mcfez - 11-10-2010 at 07:57 AM

Be real. You aint gonna kill nobody. That would had be done late last night after posting these remarks of yours. Remarks from others to kill is off the wall crapola.

If you do waste someone....you be with a cutie similar in the picture below. First question when an new inmate enters the cell....the other "resident" of that same cell, will ask.........you gonna be the Husband or Wife"? Ya....kill that cat killer dude. I'll send you lipstick.

Seeing your cat in traps....does not mean he killed off your cats 8 months ago. Cats will pee off a lot of neighbors....not just the ones that live next to you. I trap cats on this farm and my Grandson's house..... after asking the pet's owner to refrain the cat from being on my property. The cats go off to downtown. The same goes for stray dogs. Why? They make a mess. Here. Not at their master's house. That's why the pet's master always don't have to clean up their own yards of poop, dead pry, and diggings.

After all...who of my neighbors wants my five dogs peeing and s---t---g in their yards? Zero.

I am sorry for your loss of the cats last year. But retain your cats from others who dont want your cat around them. Animals dont the right to roam into private properties.

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DENNIS - 11-10-2010 at 08:24 AM

Hire an attorney who knows all about "Crimes of Passion" before you do anything.
Actually, finding your second cat in the trap was a gift. That spared it's life and gave you some closure. Protect your remaing pet and get this guy, the neighbor, out of your mind. The constant thought of him will poison you.

Then.........in around ten years, when you see this a-hole crossing the street in front of your car, turn him into a hood ornament.

bajaguy - 11-10-2010 at 08:27 AM

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Only 15 times??????.....you need to carry more ammo :lol:

bajabass - 11-10-2010 at 08:50 AM

Sounds like 1 full, high capacity clip did the job!

Iflyfish - 11-10-2010 at 09:17 AM

I don't have pets, allergies, but I know that these animals are a source of unconditional love and there is little enough of that in the world. People open their hearts to these animals and when they are gone a part of them is gone too.

Grief is a powerful emotion and one that many of us avoid. Under the anger is a whole lot of saddness and with the saddness a profound sense of vulnerability. Men tend to hold on to and act angry rather than to open up to the more vulnerable feelings.

When my father died I grieved powerfully for an entire year. It takes a long time to finish all the losses that we have experienced in our lives that are re-stimulated when someone or somethng we love dies or is killed. This is not an easy road.

I am so sorry that you have experienced this loss and one that was clearly avoidable. Expressing our loss is an important part of the grieving process and you have touched me with yours. We all have experienced losses like this and it hurts!

See you soon.

Iflyfish

Cypress - 11-10-2010 at 09:32 AM

Some of those Glocks have a very dangerous safety. Beware!

sanquintinsince73 - 11-10-2010 at 10:01 AM

Is your neighbor a local or a "gringo"?

Stickers - 11-10-2010 at 10:20 AM

Jesse,

Up here NOB in the city I live it is now illegal to allow a cat to go outside or at least leave our property, so it petty much means cats are indoor animals here.

I assume this law came about from "issues" that cats deliver to adjacent properties.

We have two indoor cats and they seem to thrive once adjusting to not going outside and have taken over running our household.

ELINVESTIG8R - 11-10-2010 at 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy

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Only 15 times??????.....you need to carry more ammo :lol:

I had another magazine with 15 rounds for my protection on my walk back home.

vandy - 11-10-2010 at 11:09 AM

MMmmmm....

Cat: the other white meat.
I'm moving to the recipe board.

wessongroup - 11-10-2010 at 11:19 AM

That's a hard one Jesse... sorry for your loss ... and to have the idiot next to me.. well.. that is just plain torture..

Get a prescription for xanax... for a while..

And don't do anything which would take you out of circulation...

At least with this knowledge you may be able to move forward and protect what your have...

Some people are really big jerks... just are... sooner or later this individual will hit a wall... happens to most all aholes..

LancairDriver - 11-10-2010 at 12:43 PM

There are more subtle, safer ways to address the problem.Get the book

The Revenge Encyclopedia

Try Amazon or
www.paladin-press.com

Bob and Susan - 11-10-2010 at 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Stickers
Up here NOB in the city I live it is now illegal to allow a cat to go outside or at least leave our property, so it petty much means cats are indoor animals here.

I assume this law came about from "issues" that cats deliver to adjacent properties.

this law has been in place in california for 30+ years

if a cat leaves your property it's considered a "wild animal" and can be trapped

if you don't get the cat from the pound soon...its gone
we learned this the "hard way"

our neighbor did the same thing
we took them to court and lost

Bajahowodd - 11-10-2010 at 02:46 PM

Does the neighbor own a Chinese restaurant? :?:

Loretana - 11-10-2010 at 02:53 PM

"Revenge is a dish best eaten cold"

different strokes

drarroyo - 11-10-2010 at 02:57 PM

The irony of your anger, yet serving up dead carcasses all night long is not lost on me. (In no way am I trying to preach ...I never have and never will) ... just pointing out the obvious.
Sorry for your loss.

rhintransit - 11-10-2010 at 02:58 PM

how awful for you. I think I'd have a real real hard time not doing something. but, what? must be something....

DENNIS - 11-10-2010 at 03:08 PM

There are so many thoughts coming out in this thread that are unnecessarily cruel.
What happened to this place, anyway?

toneart - 11-10-2010 at 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

Quote:

Originally posted by LancairDriver
There are more subtle, safer ways to address the problem.Get the book

The Revenge Encyclopedia

Try Amazon or
www.paladin-press.com

Seems to be the overwhelming attitude here ("Hang the bastid, whoever he is"). Without consideration of the other side. Would be interesting to know what was going on in the neighbor's mind to drive him/her to take desperate measures against the invading pet.

Jesse, this trap WAS in someone else's personal space, right?

Lencho,
I feel that when cruelty to animals is present, then the scale of justice tips way over to the side of the pet owner, in this case Jesse.

No matter if the cats were a nuisance on the guy's property. His first course of action, as Jesse has said, should have been to talk to him first. If unheeded, then perhaps a harmless trap with which to capture the cat(s) would be warranted. The guy would then be justified to take the cats to a shelter or even let them go elsewhere. Hurting them or killing them should not be an option. If they are taken to a shelter, at least euthanasia is humane.

The differences in culture shouldn't be an issue either. There are lots of obnoxious attitudes and practices in all cultures. Mexico certainly does NOT escape this observation. Jesse is bi-cultural. The neighbor should have been even more comfortable in approaching him.

Sorry, Jesse. I hope this cat is OK.

burnrope - 11-10-2010 at 03:25 PM

I would expunge this thread and wait 7-8 months and learn their routine. Then I would deal with it.

ckiefer - 11-10-2010 at 03:27 PM

Jesse,

I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm hoping this will soothe your soul and warm your heart....

Last Night

I stood by your bed last night, I came to have a peep.
I could see that you were crying, You found it hard to sleep.

I whined to you softly as you brushed away a tear,
"It's me, I haven't left you, I'm well, I'm fine, I'm here.

I was close to you at breakfast, I watched you pour the tea,
You were thinking of the many times, your hands reached down to me.

I was with you at the shops today, Your arms were getting sore.
I longed to take your parcels, I wish I could do more.

I was with you at my grave today, You tend it with such care.
I want to re-assure you, that I'm not lying there.

I walked with you towards the house, as you fumbled for your key.
I gently put my paw on you, I smiled and said " it's me."
You looked so very tired, and sank into a chair.
I tried so hard to let you know, that I was standing there.

It's possible for me, to be so near you everyday.
To say to you with certainty, "I never went away."

You sat there very quietly, then smiled, I think you knew...
In the stillness of that evening, I was very close to you.

The day is over... I smile and watch you yawning
and say "good-night, God bless, I'll see you in the morning."

And when the time is right for you to cross the brief divide,
I'll rush across to greet you and we'll stand, side by side.

I have so many things to show you, there is so much for you to see.
Be patient, live your journey out...then come home to be with me.

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Gypsy Jan - 11-10-2010 at 03:45 PM

Since 5 am PST today.

Who says that Nomads aren't passionate about our fellow Nomads who we respect and care about and then share their life with us?

JESSE - 11-10-2010 at 09:07 PM

Heres an update:

Basically, this guy has been disappearing cats all over our block for years now, the pattern is the same, cats are not poisoned, they don't just run off, and most cats have been fixed so the chances of they just leaving after another cat are small, they simply banish without a trace. What he does to them after he catches them, is something only he knows.

My lawyer will take care of this, basically i am going to ask him to stop, if he does not, he runs a business from his house, and i will let everybody in baja sur what this guy i doing. And that's only the beggining.

woody with a view - 11-10-2010 at 09:20 PM

Jesse

you must think outside the cat-box. go to the shelter and procure 3-4 dead gatitos and bring them home. use your imagination from there. make sure that culero see dead cats everywhere he turns.

the "experts" say that those who hurt animals in their formative years turn into serial (not cereal!) KILLERS when the "grow up!"

if all else fails, get a gun......

DENNIS - 11-10-2010 at 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Basically, this guy has been disappearing cats all over our block for years now,

You mean, others have known about this guy for a while, years, and you're just hearing about it?
It must be one of those typical Mexican neighborhoods where folks never talk with each other. Too busy guarding their privacy.

Make sure you're right before you have your attorney ruin his life.

JESSE - 11-10-2010 at 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by JESSE
Basically, this guy has been disappearing cats all over our block for years now,

No, i mean, other neighboors have lost cats as well in the same manner.

"accidents" do happen

bajaguy - 11-10-2010 at 10:27 PM

A neighbor several years ago apparently had a very bad propane leak in his house......once the propane reached the water heater pilot light........good bye house......accidents do happen...........

Santiago - 11-11-2010 at 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
A neighbor several years ago apparently had a very bad propane leak in his house......once the propane reached the water heater pilot light........good bye house......accidents do happen...........

BG: would that fall under "cat-lateral damage"?

DENNIS - 11-11-2010 at 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago
BG: would that fall under "cat-lateral damage"?

Cat-astrophic....for sure.

wessongroup - 11-11-2010 at 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Heres an update:

Basically, this guy has been disappearing cats all over our block for years now, the pattern is the same, cats are not poisoned, they don't just run off, and most cats have been fixed so the chances of they just leaving after another cat are small, they simply banish without a trace. What he does to them after he catches them, is something only he knows.

My lawyer will take care of this, basically i am going to ask him to stop, if he does not, he runs a business from his house, and i will let everybody in baja sur what this guy i doing. And that's only the beggining.

Not sure what I can do... but, you do have my offer to add what ever I can to help..

Have had the misfortune to deal with individuals like this in my life... in about all cases they were real sorry excuses for a human being... and gave great pleasure to see a few actually get jail time... along with public service working in a pet shelter for 6 months.. that was the best I could ever due while working in enforcement

And I made a point of going by and seeing the swine cleaning the floors and taking care of the animals... was just great...

In most cases after these types are "Id_ed" they don't stay in the neighborhood... as the killing of a poor defenseless domesticated animal with "poisons" is about he lowest one can get in my book...

In one case there were so many dogs being killed in the city of Porterville CA that I was able to obtain a search warrant for the individual... he was stealing an agricultural chemical used on cotton for side dressing TEMICK.. a really deadly substance..
Would put it in "balls" in raw meat... and then just go around town tossing it out in the neighborhoods... the most kill in one weekend 17 dogs and 12 cats... became a big deal in the city .. they called in law enforcement.. we had a lab with a GC (Gas Chromatograph) and samples we obtained could and were used in evidence along with photos of this guy taking material from his employer.. Wilbur Ellis... and material (Temick) obtained from his garage

He worked for a Chemical Dealer in Tulare, CA... and was not real a credit to his industry as he was a peepoor Pest Control Advisor .. and a human being too.. ya, do kinda find out a lot about how one lives when investigating them..

We were able; Sheffifs, City Police, Highway Patrol, and all the other agencies involved together to put this guy away.. and stop his little game he liked to play... killing animals... any and all.. just cuz HE didn't like them ..... a sick o...

He moved from where he was living.. to another County, and we all made sure his past went with him... hope your able to do much the same...

[Edited on 11-11-2010 by wessongroup]

DENNIS - 11-11-2010 at 08:43 AM

Jeeezo...Whatever happened to the days when you would just go next door and punch a hole in his face? I'll bet, to this day, nobody in that whole grieving neighborhood has said one word to the guy.
He needs to fully understand the error of his ways or he won't quit killing people's pets.

bajaguy - 11-11-2010 at 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Santiago
BG: would that fall under "cat-lateral damage"?

Cat-astrophic....for sure.

I'm just saying bad things happen to bad people :lol:

JESSE

mcfez - 11-11-2010 at 09:31 AM

Some times things aren't just fair. And trying to resolve the issues of unfairness....at times just dont work either. Persistence is a key to success. You must know this yourself and dont need some Viking type of businessman in California telling you this.

I sometimes send in a "third" party to get to the issue I am having. Some folks plain hate me and wont talk to me...but will through a third party. I succeed nearly every time to a resolution that works for me. Get someone that is cool, calm...collect. Prettiness helps too. No lawyers...that just adding gas to a fire.

I will admit though...If I ****witnessed**** one doing harm to my pet: I'd be answering to...."you gonna be the Husband or Wife"?!

[Edited on 11-11-2010 by mcfez]

wessongroup - 11-11-2010 at 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Jeeezo...Whatever happened to the days when you would just go next door and punch a hole in his face? I'll bet, to this day, nobody in that whole grieving neighborhood has said one word to the guy.
He needs to fully understand the error of his ways or he won't quit killing people's pets.

Yep, what happen to those days... I liked them myself...

Can't say I could participate in a stand up today ... but, think I can find a way to be make my point... one way or another...

But, not in this society we live in now... one can not "strike" another... the very use of certain words can get you put away to 20 years... there are laws.. there are laws

We have been able to change our society into second grade.. with room monitors, hall monitors and teachers who give us "verbal" reprimands or we are placed in detention until we act "correctly"...

AAaaaahhhhhhh wonder why everyone is going crazy... your all tied up in "duct tape" mouth, hands, fists and legs.. ya, just got to sit there an watch and listen to take it... for ever...

At least the guys at Khe Sanh were taking it while under orders in the Marines ....

BajaGringo - 11-11-2010 at 10:03 AM

Somebody purposely 86xing any pet of ours will get one quick and violent a$$ kicking. Don't even get me started.

motoged - 11-11-2010 at 10:47 AM

Nomads,
This issue touches many of us in different ways and on different levels. I am a cat guy so I understand the urge for swift and efficient revenge....and, when my ex-spouse was robbed and dumped on the highway by the San Jose airport in 2000 by her taxi driver, it took me two months and some serious soul-searching to drop my plans to find and exterminate the taxi driver (who we could identify)...not wanting to carry the emotional trauma of killing someone won over and I let the idea go from the planning stages to managing my emotions differently (and learning more about not letting wives travel alone in taxis)....

Jesse, don't put yourself in a position where YOU will be the culprit.....my sympathies for the cats and your feelings...

IFF has the most sensible reply to this issue.....

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Originally posted by Iflyfish
I don't have pets, allergies, but I know that these animals are a source of unconditional love and there is little enough of that in the world. People open their hearts to these animals and when they are gone a part of them is gone too.

Grief is a powerful emotion and one that many of us avoid. Under the anger is a whole lot of saddness and with the saddness a profound sense of vulnerability. Men tend to hold on to and act angry rather than to open up to the more vulnerable feelings.

When my father died I grieved powerfully for an entire year. It takes a long time to finish all the losses that we have experienced in our lives that are re-stimulated when someone or somethng we love dies or is killed. This is not an easy road.

I am so sorry that you have experienced this loss and one that was clearly avoidable. Expressing our loss is an important part of the grieving process and you have touched me with yours. We all have experienced losses like this and it hurts!

See you soon.

Iflyfish

JESSE - 11-12-2010 at 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by lencho

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Originally posted by toneart
If unheeded, then perhaps a harmless trap with which to capture the cat(s) would be warranted.

Guess I missed something. Jesse wrote that his cat was "inside a trap." That in itself does not imply cruelty or torture to me.

I agree, talking to one's neighbor is a more social first step, but I could also conceive of reasons for his not doing so. It's so easy to make judgement without knowing the complete story...

--Larry

The complete story is simple, my neighboors and myself have been loosing cats for years, and these are not just street cats, these are cats that are fixed, usually stay near home, well fed, and most had tags.

My cats don't run around free in the nighborhood, they are usually indoors and i let them out twice a day on my yard for brief periods of time. My neighboor is putting traps to catch the cats, using chicken and beef, and disposing of the animals.

If he has a problem, he can tell me and i will fix it, but catching my animals and doing who knows what with them is a diferent matter. He has some small dogs, and has some strange tropical birds that fly around but live in the trees in my yard (crap here as well). So, if his dogs get loose and enter my property i can do whatever i want with them? what about the birds? should i just shoot them?

What he is doing is just plain wrong.

DENNIS - 11-12-2010 at 08:43 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
What he is doing is just plain wrong.

You need to organize a neighborhood intervention or something....... doing nothing won't work for you.

Of course what he's doing is wrong, but he'll continue to do it since it seems no one has taken him to task over it.

David K - 11-12-2010 at 08:46 AM

Have a talk with him Jesse... Tell him how you feel and what you think. You don't mess with his dogs or birds, so tell him: 'please don't mess with my cats'.

It may be he is from the moutains of Oaxaca, and thinks the cats are brujas? :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 11-12-2010 at 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by David K
It may be he is from the moutains of Oaxaca, and thinks the cats are brujas? :rolleyes:

And it may be that he's just a five-star A-HOLE. :light:

I agree with you, David. His animals shouldn't be brought into this. They haven't done anything.

sanquintinsince73 - 11-12-2010 at 09:50 AM

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I agree. If it were one of my animals I'd fill that colonia with uppercuts.

MsTerieus - 11-12-2010 at 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
It must be one of those typical Mexican neighborhoods where folks never talk with each other. Too busy guarding their privacy.

Sounds like my neighborhood (and others of mine in the past), right here in the U.S. of A.

JESSE - 11-12-2010 at 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

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Originally posted by JESSE
I am unwilling to outright condemn your unfeeling, sadistic, self-serving perverted wife-beating, potentially-child-molesting terrorist bastid neighbor
--Larry