have a self cleaning system? Because I see at least 2 a day down here and I have yet to see one dirty going north or south
Off Road is "dirty"
thebajarunner - 8-7-2004 at 09:09 AM
Come on, JR. You know that if you drive off the pavement you might get your rig dirty.
Baja Arriba!!Germanicus - 8-7-2004 at 10:00 AM
the 'self-cleaning-system' is the price tag on these Hummers.
With a 60,000 Dollar vehicle you wanna be seen.
In the desert nobody sees you.
So these guys are going Cabo for to drive their rabbit-box* along the beach promenade.
* is there anybody around who can say that the Hummer has a beautyful styling?
it looks like an Norwegian Coal Miners Box.
by the way, same to the Mercedes "G" wagon!> ugly!Anonymous - 8-7-2004 at 11:12 AM
JR?.this is getting very old. Have you reallynothing better to do than take pot-shots at others who earn more than you? You live in your tin
can in the most Gringo-infested community in the whole peninsula and who do you rail against? Gringos! Regardless of actual facts (such as your
mistaken impression as who buys more Sentri passes..duh, Mexicans!), your constant b-tching tells *way* more about you than the object of your
indignation. Such bitterness is a sad waste of energy.
It is a common dynamic for the ?have-nots? to bolster their sagging self-esteem by criticizing others who earn more, own vehicles that cost more,
live in better communities, etc.
This also applies to those who continually brag about their philanthropic efforts. True philanthropists are humble, sincere and usually
anonymous. We sure ain?t gonna see your picture in the dictionary next to that word!!
I can?t afford a Hummer, but more power to those who choose to spend their money any way they want to. It is not my place to judge them , nor it is
yours. Lighten up...it's time.JESSE - 8-7-2004 at 01:17 PM
The only "bitterness" i read is coming from you anon, why don?t you start by actually registering so we can take you seriously?
Germanicus - 8-7-2004 at 01:28 PM
To Anonymous,,, you can not afford a Hummer??
Man, what kind of a "have-not" are you then?
What in the world gives you the right to launch personal attacks in this forum and to critizise people because of their lifestyle?
Are you living in a $500,000 home?
Paid for and 4 SUV's in the drive way?
If "NO", what kind of low-dog are you?
This forum is for those who post their questions and getting answers, not for personal attacks.
Posting as 'anonymous' , not having the guts to identify himself, and then launching personal attacks, well THAT IS COURAGES AND GOOOOOD BEHAVIOUR.
APPLAUS TO THE COWARD!
To all of those who are not misusing this forum > have a nice day!
Germanicus David K - 8-7-2004 at 03:31 PM
I think JR's post that strated this thread was more of a joke than a real question. Many SUVs besides Hummers often never leave the pavement, and that
is funny.. to buy a 4WD and never use it. JR has a 2WD van and takes it more off the road than most 4WDs.
So, if JR is telling a joke, it neads no reply other than more simular jokes, maybe.
If, on the other hand, JR is not joking and is ranting anti-capitalism or anti-Amercanism, then anonymous has a valid responce... BUT, it doesn't
belong here on the Baja Q & A forum...
The point is lets use Doug's form to share Baja trips and stories, ask Baja questions, give answers, grow friendships... Not to b*@ch at each other!
get a life, anon...
thebajarunner - 8-7-2004 at 03:41 PM
Right on guys,
I don't always see eye to eye with JR, but at least we are civil and we identify ourselves (many, many folks on this board know my name and my
personal e-mail- folks like anonymous don't deserve to know)
Come on out of your closet or delete your bogus rants, dude.
My earlier response was a smiling response to what I assumed was a smiling post.
And yeah, dufi (plural of dufus) who buy big off-road rigs and then never touch dirt are worth lots of smiles, and yucks, and even a little scorn.
Go JR!!!
Baja Arriba!!DanO - 8-7-2004 at 04:47 PM
Two hummers a day? Way to go, JR!Markitos - 8-7-2004 at 05:02 PM
Even so .........it sure is fun to go out and roll around in the dirt ! Park em all and just jump in the sand thats what I say!! Gosh that sound good right about now
to wound up
fishinrich - 8-7-2004 at 06:46 PM
Ol anon is obviously way to wound up If heor she could not see the humor in jr's post. Must be from so-cal, all that freeway driving. I think he or
she needs an offroad adventure in baja just to get there rig dirty and bring along two bottles of tequila for attitude adjustment. fishin richwhodat54321 - 8-7-2004 at 06:58 PM
I would love to see a hummer h-1 or h-2 take the washboard road test.
that is, if they don't run out of gas before they leave town. David K - 8-7-2004 at 07:13 PM
Yup, I think they get a WHOLE 10 mpg! The size is for the gas tank... me thinks.
Honestly, it is what it is. I got to drive GeoRock's from the sulfur mine back to Nuevo Mazatlan and it was very easy to drive and didn't feel like a
big beast. She and Pete got it up to Rancho Matomi without a problem last February, as well.
Now, how about some good Baja stories people?
whodat54321...
Ken Bondy - 8-7-2004 at 07:17 PM
What is the washboard road test? I have a few thousand offroad Baja miles on my H-1 and that includes a lot of washboard. Hope I passed the test.
++Ken++
[Edited on 8-8-2004 by Ken Bondy]
The washboard road test
David K - 8-7-2004 at 07:27 PM
That's the test that usually makes any GM product fall apart!
If a Hummer survives maybe it's because it was first made by AM General, a division of the AMC/Jeep Corp. Although (come to think of it) my AMC Jeep
sure wasn't built well...
[Edited on 8-8-2004 by David K]whodat54321 - 8-7-2004 at 07:42 PM
well ken, I guess the h-1 is good to go. I just like the wide stance of that vehicle. Seems like it would be tough to roll one of those things.
not so sure about the h-2. That's a different beast altogether.Germanicus - 8-7-2004 at 08:00 PM
a lill off topic: have you guys ever heard - or seen - a 'UNIMOG'?
That is the ultimate off roader.
Certainly not tha fastes for the Baja 1000.
But if it comes to climbing, water passing, nothing is comparable.
UNIMOG is built by Mercedes in Germany for more than 50 years now.
Nerly every Army in the world is using the UNIMOG as it is a multy talent vehicle, can be equipped for more then 100 different jobs.
Even the U.S.Army is using them!
Germanicus
surfer jim - 8-7-2004 at 08:32 PM
The washboard test will be done on the road to La Gringa down at BOLA....
The Hummer didn't have any problems
Ken Bondy - 8-7-2004 at 08:40 PM
on the La Gringa road. The toughest test so far has been exploring some of the beaches just north of El Rosario. By the way, is anyone else having
trouble posting photos?? I wanted to post one of a VERY DIRTY Hummer to prove they really do get dirty, but couldn't seem to get it to work.
++Ken++David K - 8-7-2004 at 08:56 PM
If the photo is on your web site, and not over sized, you can hot link to it... that's how I have been posting photos. The attacment/brouse feature at
the bottom isn't working to get photos from your PC files.
Yes, a Unimog is a big beast! How about that Austrian (or Swiss?) mini Unimog called a Penzgouer (sp?)... Awesome looking machine!FrankO - 8-7-2004 at 08:56 PM
Unimogs are the most underpowered POS's out there. You really have to spend a few dollars to get them where they need to be. But whatever blows your
skirt up.
Hummers
capn.sharky - 8-7-2004 at 09:19 PM
Jeez---I haven't seen anybody get this excited about a Hummer since Clinton was President.
Ken Bondy's Hummer
David K - 8-7-2004 at 09:29 PM
As seen on www.kenbondy.com:
Thanks David...
Ken Bondy - 8-7-2004 at 09:43 PM
but it looks too clean in that one. Kinda supports JRBaja's theory that they have a self-cleaning switch. How do you use the hot-link method??
++Ken++
ken, is yours gas or diesel?
capt. mike - 8-8-2004 at 06:36 AM
are the diesels 6.9 L turbos? do they even have gas ones?TMW - 8-8-2004 at 07:14 AM
The H1 is diesel and the H2 is gas and the new H3 (built on the Colorado frame) will be a 5 cyclinder gas starting at $35000. Also GM said they are
making the Duramax 6.1 diesel available in the H1. I don't know if that is in addition to or a replacement for the existing engine.
Aren't these nameless clowns
jrbaja - 8-8-2004 at 08:20 AM
Cute? Or Margie, is that you ???Germanicus - 8-8-2004 at 08:45 AM
To DavidK: 'Pinzgauer' is an austrian company making all kinds of off road vehicles.
Amoung those a one with 6 wheels > not much bigger than a John Deere Gator. But can swim. lever steering and the tires are the props when swimming.
Awsome machine, goes everywhere a hummer gets stuck.
About the unimogs and 'underpowerd' machines.
The unimogs do have the most powerfull engines of all off roaders >>> up to 300hp
isn't that enough?
And they come as diesels with the highest output of newtonmeters of all offroaders.
I got to go in there to inform myself about correct figures that's why I only make an approximate figure here, the newtonmeters they produce is
something in the 700 range.
There is no substitute to an Unimog if it comes to heavy terrain.
Why ist it then that most Army's in the world use the unimog for transport and special duties in heavy terrain and not the Humvee?
The Humvee is used only by the U.S.Army to replace the most dangerous Jeep.
Not by any other Army in the world.
The Unimog is just not as fast on the promenade highway as the Humvee.
They are truly built for off roading and the top speed therefore is about 65 mls.
Germanicus
P.S. nice pic from the Hummer. Including abolutely clean tires. No dust even on the thread.
Are there rinseless / spotless drive through wash streets in the Baja Desert?
I like the deep blue sky and the tall catus the most.
Mike it is a 6.5L turbo diesel.
Ken Bondy - 8-8-2004 at 08:46 AM
...they do make a few H-1's with gasoline engines but they are rare. There is a section in the user's guide on the gasoline engine model.
++Ken++
[Edited on 8-8-2004 by Ken Bondy]
Germanicus said:
David K - 8-8-2004 at 09:33 AM
"The Humvee is used only by the U.S.Army to replace the most dangerous Jeep.
Not by any other Army in the world."
You will be shocked when you drive in Mexico and see more army Humvees than anything else their army drives. Before it was the Jeep CJ-6... they used.
Hummer v Unimog
senor pumpwire - 8-8-2004 at 09:33 PM
Hi Germanicus, I am familiar with the "mog, and would love to own one. They are a great machine. The pzingtauer (sp) and the similar machines are
nice too. (One thing about the zingers is thee fuel tank placement is abysmal, right out in the open and very vulnerable. or maybe I am thinking of
puchs)The hummer is used for totally different purposes that moggers. They ar not just to transport soldiers, they FIGHT out of the humvee. You
could sandbag the back of a mog and make a passable wasp nest out of it by putting crew served weapons in it. By contrast the humvee is used in full
combat almost stock with troops patrolling in it ahead of or in conjunction with tanks and armored personel carrriers. They must be very fast and
stable and have a low profile to enhance survivablity. We use various "6x6" trucks for transport. The us military has many (too many possibly)
commitments around the world and as such the design is a compromise. On narrow forest trail the "mogger" with extreme approach and departure angles
would do better, but you would not want to be in a column of unimogs attacked in open country by comparably armed bradleys. I am suprised that
unimogs never caught on as a toy of the crowd that has money to burn, they are very nice! of course those of us using 2wd vans to go to 90 percent of
the places these guys could go in hummers and moggers could buy lots of trips with the price difference. To each his own, and I will take either one
from the factory for "long term testing" LOL. Dave in Jamul.4baja - 8-9-2004 at 06:58 AM
unimogs are nice but very bulky and top heavy and rarly seen in those tight areas that are fun to explore. up were i live you see them in the photo
adds all the time and there fairly cheap tho you never see them offroad . would love to own a H1 but couldnt afford the tires, would never own a H2.
my 1949 willys jeep will go allmost anywere you have the %$# to take it but dont be in a hurry. Bob H - 8-9-2004 at 07:49 AM
great Pinze page. One of Don Jimmy's dreams was to have a Unimog for travel. Wonder if he woulda liked a Pinze better.Mexitron - 8-9-2004 at 12:35 PM
I agree with 4baja--the unimog and pinz are too darn big to go to most of the really good places....even my full-sized Chevy gets banged up pretty
good in those tight spots!Herb - 8-9-2004 at 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by DanO
Two hummers a day? Way to go, JR!
I think DanO's post best exemplifies the original intended levity of this thread
I cant' brag about my Hummer (at least not lately) But I would be interested in one of those self-cleaning systems. My little puny SUV at barely a
third of the cost of a "Hummer" could sure use one...
Surfer Jim
Debra - 8-9-2004 at 12:43 PM
The road to La Gringa is in better shape than I-5 in Northern Calif. If you are looking for the wash-board test, I'd suggest you try the road to Camp
Gecko it truely sucks right now!Germanicus - 8-9-2004 at 01:23 PM
well, senorpumpwire pointed it out already.
The unimog covers other/different tasks than the Humvee in any Army.
Please don't forget that the unimog was first built as an agriculture vehicle in the early 1950.
But it has this unique 4wheel-drive-system.
Diff Lock in Rear and diff lock to the front.
So theoreticly it can drive on one wheel.
I mentioned that I have a 1622 and it has the same diff locks.
The Humvee was designed from the early beginning as an fast combat vehicle which the unimog never was.
And the Humvee > I guess as the first american vehicle ever < is using this special axle design, built in license from Mercedes Benz.
Where no straight axle connects the left wheel with the right wheel, but two gear wheels (gear-drive) replaces the actual axle.
Q.: How do you call that axle design correctly in English?
By the way, there are more types of agriculture unimogs and community unimogs then military types.
About the size: it depends on which one you drive.
I do had a 406 which is smaller in size than any H1 or H2.
It had 32 gears and of course all the diff locks as mentined.
if somebody reveals the secret to me how to place a pic in here, I can show you the smallest unimog.
Now a price question: What does the word UNIMOG means?
Germanicus
unimog
bajapablo - 8-9-2004 at 01:46 PM
THe BLM district has converted one to a firefighting machine. It has a water tank and big nozzle on it and seems to go anywhere. I have seen it and
it looks impressive.
And there's a Pinz
jrbaja - 8-9-2004 at 02:05 PM
in use in Santiago as well as countless unimogs and other strange "craft" I see rollin around down here. Only one kind stays clean though.
Oh wait, make that 2 kinds...
Herb - 8-9-2004 at 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by jrbaja
Only one kind stays clean though.
Axle types
senor pumpwire - 8-9-2004 at 10:23 PM
Hi Germanicus, the axle that can move on one side of the vehicle without raising the other is called Independent suspension. They have traditionally
been used on non driven front wheels in the USA. Of course now they are commonly used in front wheel drive vehicles and SUVs. Only 4wd pickup retain
the solid drive axle and even many of the 1/2 and 3/4 tons now use IFS(Independent Front Suspension). The axles on the mogger and humvee? are called
portal axles. This denotes an axle where the the driving member does not enter the wheel hub at the center line. By offsetting the input halfshafts
upward there is more ground clearance and usually there is a gear-reduction too. HTH,Dave.
Portal Axles
Packoderm - 8-9-2004 at 11:36 PM
When the HumVee first came out, I read an off-road magazine describing the axle system as "reducers" as seen on swing axle (pre '68) VW Buses.Germanicus - 8-10-2004 at 06:53 AM
Portal Axles, YES that was the word I was looking for.
First introduced by the early Unimogs in (not sure) 1952 or so.
Now the Humvee is using the same systhem - which is damn smart for an off road vehicle.
If I see the jeeps or other so called off-roader, body work high to higher the gravity point, but the axle still at the same spot hahahahahahah!
The portal axle is the ONLY way to go if it comes to really serious off-roading as only the portal axle makes higher ground clearing.
Thank you guys for your input and the correct word!
My English sometimes is more a Slanglish
Have fun by not going straight - I mean not driving on the road.
Germanicus
Slang and Jeepin'
senor pumpwire - 8-10-2004 at 09:32 PM
Hi Germanicus. No need to apologize for slanglish. as long as it aint in formal or academic setting I say bring on the slang!! Its just that those
of us who do use it have to remember to translate for those who speak normal English, LOL.
As for Jeeps, sometimes body lifts are required to allow full use of axle articulation. Some rockcrawlers use two feet of front axle articulation and
1.5 feet in the rear to go places no MOG or HUMV could ever dream of going--and that is before they break out the winch cable. Next time you are in a
c-store look for a 4wheel and offroad or similar mag and check out the new generation of extreme trails like jackhammer/sledgehammer/etc and the jeeps
and other vehicles who run them. For example most of the street legal rockcrawlers worthy of the name and and all the trailer queen rockcrawlers
could drive in and out of Mission St Maria (aka mission impossible-by Catavina) in REVERSE with out even breaking a sweat. (Unless they had not
upgraded their front ujoints or axle spline count-most have). For that kind of stuff a near stock toy with a marlin crawler could probably do it in
31 or 33 inch tires. Judging by the photos!
Actually,
jrbaja - 8-10-2004 at 09:38 PM
I was thinking of meeting DK and the gang there with ice cream and tv. Right out of the van!David K - 8-10-2004 at 10:44 PM
That would be great!Markitos - 8-11-2004 at 07:47 PM
Jr. How on earth do you keep icecream in your van?? After a few days out I cant even keep the ice cool. Does it draw much on your battery? Can a
little solar panel keep up? ICECREAM-N- BAJA !!! WOW OH WOW
PLease let me know what your using in your rig! Just the thought puts a smile on my face! Germanicus - 8-11-2004 at 09:25 PM
jr got a 'freezing' humor.
don't you know?
maybe 'down to earth realistic' is the keyword > lets some people gets freezin'.
Ice cream in the van
jrbaja - 8-12-2004 at 09:03 AM
First, I use two deep cycle marine batteries. Then I use an oversized alternator. Then, I installed a 2500 watt power inverter. Then, a dormitory
sized 110 volt freezer.
I have a battery isolating system from Switzerland and I use worm drive Skil Saws and all power tools as well as the freezer and TV/VCR.
Using my power tools constantly, I have to start the van for 1/2 hour about 3 times a day to recharge the batteries.
It is by no means the best solution as the freezer sucks up a LOT of juice. So, it's either Ice Cream or power tools. Not both!
I understand that a very large solar panel would work to recharge the batteries but definitely not the small sized versions.
I'm still looking into that.
But, I must say, there is nothing quite like visiting some of these remote villages where they feed you the best of foods and reciprocating by
turning on a movie and sitting around with the people eating ice cream.
More on Hummers
jrbaja - 8-14-2004 at 08:32 AM
in the "image is everything dept."
We have new neighbors who have a hummer. They bought it to come down to "the Baja" in.
They asked me aboout a trip down south and I recommended some areas to see some of the "real" backcountry Baja.
"How are the hotels" is what I heard! I explained to them that there basically aren't any in the hills but along the coast in the cities there are
plenty.
"Well, I guess we won't be seeing the hills then". hahahahahahahahaahahaha
I asked why they bought the Hummer if they didn't like to camp or explore.
" To come to the Baja in " Cyndarouh - 8-14-2004 at 09:28 AM
The self cleaning switch might malfuction. I have yet to see one with dirt on it. My question is can I get the cleaning thing set up in Outback? With
our water shortage and having to wash it in the city it sure doesn't stay clean even with out going off road. Well see you Monday JR.Markitos - 8-14-2004 at 10:07 AM
it truely sucks right now!
