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Coyote Ugly...to feed or not to feed???

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shari - 12-1-2010 at 10:21 AM

We had a little gathering out here at the Blowhole a few nights ago to BBQ some yellowtail with amigos who caught them and the dogs started going nuts.

A local vigilancia guy was here and grabbed his spotlight thinking he was gonna catch some abalone poachers as it was low tide. But what he found was a rather mangey, old, weak coyote skulking around near the patio.

The poor old guy looked in rough shape and wasnt at all scared of the people gawking at him...he seemed disoriented. I felt sorry for him and brought some fish out to him but caught a scolding from some of our guests about feeding the wildlife.

But I just couldnt help myself...the dogs got used to the idea of having him around and even the cats went up to him for a sniff. He slept that night under a bush and was there again in the morning. I fed him a half a corbina and he gorfed it down and had another nap on the rocks...later that day...he disappeared. It was one of those neat baja experiences.

It was a pleasure to share our lunch and watch him for a few hours...hope he gained some strenght and carried on.

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Bob H - 12-1-2010 at 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by shari
The poor old guy looked in rough shape and wasnt at all scared of the people gawking at him...he seemed disoriented. I felt sorry for him and brought some fish out to him but caught a scolding from some of our guests about feeding the wildlife.

But I just couldnt help myself...

Shari,
We have coyote sightings all the time in our canyon behind our house, and we would never feed them.

But, one look at your photo and I would probably feel the same, along with your story of this one hanging around looking sadly at you.

You are a very caring human being!

[Edited on 12-1-2010 by Bob H]

shari - 12-1-2010 at 10:32 AM

juan figured he was either real old or sick...either way, he won my heart with those eyes all right...I too am not one to feed wildlife at all but in this case....I caved in.

Lucky Coyote? ... maybe

Pompano - 12-1-2010 at 10:42 AM

shari....coyotes are coyotes. Humans have feelings. No mysteries there.

Here's what happens when you try to domestic them ..too much.
Mother Nature does not like it when you disrupt 'The Plan.'

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=8571#pid63400

[Edited on 12-1-2010 by Pompano]

BajaBlanca - 12-1-2010 at 10:54 AM

ohhhhhhhhhhhh we had a similar experience just a couple weeks ago. Les heard lapping at the back door and thought it strange that our dog Rex would be drinking anything in the back...he opened the door to see a mangy old caoyote drinking some water out of a bucket.

the coyote took off and I took the bucket of water into the empty lot next door and left it there .... amidst much ridicule from Les, I assure you :biggrin:

Next day the coyote was under our picnic table, in the back under the palapa, dead as a doornail. So bizarre that he came so close and yet, I guess he figured he had nothing to lose and water to gain.

Cypress - 12-1-2010 at 11:27 AM

Feed him and the next thing you know he'll be chewing on someones child or pet. They're supposed to be wild. Live and let die.

KurtG - 12-1-2010 at 11:39 AM

While I in general don't approve of feeding wild animals I find it difficult to fault you for having a kind heart.

I'm aiming the old motorcycle south this weekend and will likely pay you a visit sometime next week.
Kurt

disoriented warning sign

mcfez - 12-1-2010 at 11:55 AM

disoriented....I seen that too. I c/c a article for you (below)

Take your food items for the critter away from your area...like up in a ravine or whatever....the animal will find it. I feed them when in need....

Rabies

Rabies is a viral disease that attacks the central nervous system, and without preventive treatment, is almost invariably fatal to wildlife. The virus, found in the saliva of an infected animal and transmitted through a bite or scratch, manifests itself in two forms, "furious" rabies and "dumb" rabies.

The local animal control officer or police department should be contacted if a coyote is displaying odd behavior, for instance, if it appears disoriented, unafraid of humans.

Symptoms
The symptoms, which appear anytime from two weeks to three months after exposure and vary in each species, cause marked changes in behavior. An animal with the "furious" form can become aggressive, disoriented, and snap or bite at anything in its way; whereas, an animal with the "dumb" form is unnaturally tame or friendly.

[Edited on 12-1-2010 by mcfez]

shari - 12-1-2010 at 12:03 PM

yep Blanca...I looked around for him thinking I'd find his cold stiff body and know that at least he had a yummy last supper...he was not at all aggressive just very weak...back legs were stiff...maybe kidney failure...anyway...viva coyotes.

BajaGringo - 12-1-2010 at 12:19 PM

A coyote came up last winter, keeping a distance because of the dogs but at the same time close enough that we couldn't ignore his presence after a couple of days. I put the dogs inside and then started walking east towards the volcano with a half a bag of dog food on my shoulder, making sure I passed close enough to the coyote that he would get the scent, which he did.

I opened up the bag, spreading the food on a small rock mesa about a km or so behind the house and then moved back. The coyote approached slowly, looking around to make sure it was safe before finally reaching the food.

While he was eating I was able to get a good look at the animal. Obviously an older dog, very thin and with a bad back leg that appeared to have been hurt recently in a fight. Could have even been one of our dogs no doubt.

I chose that location as it was a distance from our home and offered a lot of protection in the brush and topography surrounding it. I figured it would be as good a location as any for the animal to hang out and recover.

I continued to bring the animal some food and a gallon of water in the days that followed. Even though it quickly learned the routine it always kept a safe distance until I moved back away to eat his daily meal. This routine went on for about 8 to 10 days as I recall. I did notice that the animal was putting on weight and moving faster so I took that as a good sign. Once he seemed to be moving well and looked healthy I made the decision to cut off the food trips.

It just seemed to me that it was the only way the animal would get back out on his own, if that was ever going to happen...

Mexitron - 12-1-2010 at 12:34 PM

There's times for tough love and times for compassion with wildlife---he looks like he needed some compassion, what a nice thing to do for the old coyote.

bajatravelergeorge - 12-1-2010 at 01:10 PM

The coyote is part of nature. Its not a domesticated dog. They don't have thought or emotions. The coyote didn't think "Thank you human for the food." And it might have been the flocker that attacked and killed my dog right on our patio, right in front of us, in broad daylight. I say, "shoot the b**stards."

DianaT - 12-1-2010 at 01:18 PM

Probably would hand out food---most people cannot stand seeing a starving animal of any type, but I sure would not allow my pets anywhere near what possibly is a very sick coyote, let alone be close enough to sniff -----parvo is everywhere down there----and the coyote looks like it could have mange---very contagious.

[Edited on 12-1-2010 by DianaT]

motoged - 12-1-2010 at 02:05 PM

A compassionate act, Shari. Good for ya.

As we are ALL part of nature, sometimes the Creator might lead us to care for those beings less fortunate....it is a choice we all make daily, whether we are doing it consciously or not.....and Shari's act was "natural".

To think that lap poodles have more "thoughts and feelings" than wild animals is ludicrous....or that all animals have none is even more so.

As a coyote is part of nature (as stated below), it only follows that a coyote eating your dog is a very natural act....whether it did it in the outback or on your patio.

Folks talk to their pets often as extensions of themselves, but that is all we are ever doing when we talk with another human if you really think about it.

BTG, sorry you lost your dog....but, if you are right, your dog had no thoughts or feelings during its last breaths....so don't worry about it....if your dog suffered beyond just the physical realm, then I guess critters have some capacity for thought and emotion :light:

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Originally posted by bajatravelergeorge
The coyote is part of nature. Its not a domesticated dog. They don't have thought or emotions. The coyote didn't think "Thank you human for the food." And it might have been the flocker that attacked and killed my dog right on our patio, right in front of us, in broad daylight. I say, "shoot the b**stards."

[Edited on 12-1-2010 by motoged]

mcfez - 12-1-2010 at 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
A compassionate act, Shari. Good for ya.

As we are ALL part of nature, sometimes the Creator might lead us to care for those beings less fortunate....it is a choice we all make daily, whether we are doing it consciously or not.....and Shari's act was "natural".

To think that lap poodles have more "thoughts and feelings" than wild animals is ludicrous....or that all animals have none is even more so.

As a coyote is part of nature (as stated below), it only follows that a coyote eating your dog is a very natural act....whether it did it in the outback or on your patio.

Folks talk to their pets often as extensions of themselves, but that is all we are ever doing when we talk with another human if you really think about it.

BTG, sorry you lost your dog....but, if you are right, your dog had no thoughts or feelings during its last breaths....so don't worry about it....if your dog suffered beyond just the physical realm, then I guess critters have some capacity for thought and emotion :light:

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[Edited on 12-1-2010 by motoged]

POW!

motoged - 12-1-2010 at 04:05 PM

I feed the squirrels on the back deck when I feel like it....almonds and walnuts...

I let the bears eat the apricots if they can find them...

I let the birds eat the Mountain Ash berries (don't know how to stop them:?

....and then they fly into the living room window and leave red poop on the window....sometimes knock themselves out

I hope the cougars don't eat me....but if they did, I hope I am dead first :cool:

The risk of rabies is real, so thanks for the info McFez on that.

How come Wiley never caught the road runner?

Martyman - 12-1-2010 at 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT
parvo is everywhere down there
[Edited on 12-1-2010 by DianaT]

How come I've only caught two if they're everywhere? I love parvo frito. :spingrin:

Oso - 12-1-2010 at 04:48 PM

My wife insists on feeding feral cats. As a result we have a garage full of them.

We could use a few coyotes...

mcfez - 12-1-2010 at 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
I feed the squirrels on the back deck when I feel like it....almonds and walnuts...

I let the bears eat the apricots if they can find them...

I let the birds eat the Mountain Ash berries (don't know how to stop them:?

....and then they fly into the living room window and leave red poop on the window....sometimes knock themselves out

I hope the cougars don't eat me....but if they did, I hope I am dead first :cool:

The risk of rabies is real, so thanks for the info McFez on that.

How come Wiley never caught the road runner?

Wile E. Cyote 'never' caught the Road Runner, instead of spending all his money on those Acme gadgets, he should have ordered a takeaway.

This is from my brother's place (www.reddogranch.com) up in N. Ca. A little kitty cat!

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mojo_norte - 12-1-2010 at 05:33 PM

Good for you Shari! - that poor ol' moggy was no threat to anything

bajatravelergeorge - 12-1-2010 at 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez

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[Edited on 12-1-2010 by motoged]

POW!

I didn't say my dog had emotions, but my wife and I do and I'm peeed that 1000's of dollars spent on the dog are now history. I spent the money because we enjoyed having the dog around and she was a great little alert dog. We would have been able to enjoy her for many years to come, God willing, if not for the coyote. This type of thing happens in urban environments as well so you can't blame it on Baja. You can blame it on the tree huggers that feel that we must share our environment with these wild creatures even when they kill our pets, or worse, when they kill humans. How tragic is it when a jogger or hiker is attacked and killed by a mountain lion in or near a urban setting. But you can't hunt or kill them until they've attacked someone. When did we lower the value of a human life to that of a wild animal!

And now...a note from your local tree hugger:

mcfez - 12-1-2010 at 06:27 PM

I'm peeed that 1000's of dollars spent on the dog are now history. I spent the money because we enjoyed having the dog

Wow! You're more concerned about dollars than the dog! It's clear from your post. So I get that your sofa is no better than your pet dog. That sofa gives comfort too, right? Too bad that Coyote didnt kill your sofa too. It and the dog is only money after all!

You can blame it on the tree huggers that feel that we must share our environment with these wild creatures

Yeah Baby.....let go kill all them whales of the Seas. The Elephants too. What good are these animals anyhow...they just eat and dont do me a damn bit of good. In fact....lets just rid the forests.....dusty over growth land that is worthless to folks like you and me. Burn it down Baby, burn!

How tragic is it when a jogger or hiker is attacked

Humans attack joggers too. Lets kill em all. Oh....I read somewhere where hiking is to enjoy the great outdoor life. Why hike? Thanks to guys like you...you are killing off everything without regard....since you ain't a tree hugger.

Too bad for your dog. I love dogs. I wont be dumb enough to leave my dog out in the yard where I knew there was coyotes roaming around.

mojo_norte - 12-1-2010 at 06:42 PM

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POW!

Sorry about your dog - next dog adopt a Baja stray - they're free . they're everywhere. they're infinitely grateful . they're coyote savvy and make great camp/ watch dogs. although often not attractive , they are always lovable!

mojo_norte - 12-1-2010 at 06:45 PM

Oh - I forgot to add ... A nice Baja dog might improve your karma and outlook on things

bajatravelergeorge - 12-1-2010 at 08:51 PM

I'm sure you are aware that the cougar attack happened up in your neck of the woods. So if you get some free time, do me a favor and do a little hiking up there. While your at it, since Shamu and Dumbo need a little more room to roam undisturbed by humans, please make a donation to your local abortion clinic so we can kill a few more unborn babies. Better to kill humans than to crowd in on the wildlife.

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Originally posted by mcfez
I'm peeed that 1000's of dollars spent on the dog are now history. I spent the money because we enjoyed having the dog

Wow! You're more concerned about dollars than the dog! It's clear from your post. So I get that your sofa is no better than your pet dog. That sofa gives comfort too, right? Too bad that Coyote didnt kill your sofa too. It and the dog is only money after all!

You can blame it on the tree huggers that feel that we must share our environment with these wild creatures

Yeah Baby.....let go kill all them whales of the Seas. The Elephants too. What good are these animals anyhow...they just eat and dont do me a damn bit of good. In fact....lets just rid the forests.....dusty over growth land that is worthless to folks like you and me. Burn it down Baby, burn!

How tragic is it when a jogger or hiker is attacked

Humans attack joggers too. Lets kill em all. Oh....I read somewhere where hiking is to enjoy the great outdoor life. Why hike? Thanks to guys like you...you are killing off everything without regard....since you ain't a tree hugger.

Too bad for your dog. I love dogs. I wont be dumb enough to leave my dog out in the yard where I knew there was coyotes roaming around.

Coyote Beautiful

Mulegena - 12-1-2010 at 08:59 PM

Thanks, Shari.

I know you, and you're not a softie.
You did the right thing, imo.

All God's Creatures get to sing in the Choir!

Mulegena

mcfez - 12-1-2010 at 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by bajatravelergeorge
I'm sure you are aware that the cougar attack happened up in your neck of the woods. So if you get some free time, do me a favor and do a little hiking up there. While your at it, since Shamu and Dumbo need a little more room to roam undisturbed by humans, please make a donation to your local abortion clinic so we can kill a few more unborn babies. Better to kill humans than to crowd in on the wildlife.

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Ah...that's not nice to wish someone dead. That statement just made me feel so unwanted. Just like your sofa and dog.

Wildlife was here and there and everywhere way before you came along. Don't blame wildlife for killing your dog...it was you stupidity of not understanding your surroundings.

[Edited on 12-2-2010 by mcfez]

Neal Johns - 12-1-2010 at 10:21 PM

I'm with you, Shari.

redhilltown - 12-2-2010 at 12:44 AM

My vote goes to McFez and Shari. I have camped alone many a time fishing on the Cortez and I have no trouble throwing a fish head or two (at least the ones I don't eat!) to a skinny coyote. I welcome four legged company around the campfire in situations like that...two legs worry me.

I have no idea what freakshow planet bajatravelergeorge dropped in from but to bring abortion and dead babies into a relatively sane thread about feeding stray coyotes is a bit sick and twisted...and I don't mean that in a good way.

Cypress - 12-2-2010 at 06:35 AM

Tossing 'em some scraps at a temporary campsite in the backcountry isn't quite the same as feeding 'em at your doorstep.

Santiago - 12-2-2010 at 08:18 AM

We have a three-legged dude that I sometimes see working the beach in the very early morning light at our camp in southbay, BOLA. He seems healthy enough as I've seen him for at least 5 years now. I think he hits our campo when he sees my truck in camp because he always knows that there will be fish carcasses washing up by our cleaning station. When Marty's in camp I'm sure he's learned to not bother. They'er not stupid.
Good on you Shari.

Pancakes???

bajaguy - 12-2-2010 at 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago
We have a three-legged dude that I sometimes see working the beach in the very early morning light at our camp in southbay, BOLA. He seems healthy enough as I've seen him for at least 5 years now. I think he hits our campo when he sees my truck in camp because he always knows that there will be fish carcasses washing up by our cleaning station. When Marty's in camp I'm sure he's learned to not bother. They'er not stupid.
Good on you Shari.

Do you feed him pancakes?????

Oh, by the way, Captain says "Hi"

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djh - 12-2-2010 at 08:26 AM

Wow....

Sometimes the best way to point out someone's lack of knowledge / concern and lack of compassion is to just let them do it themselves.

"The coyote is part of nature. Its not a domesticated dog. They don't have thought or emotions. The coyote didn't think "Thank you human for the food." And it might have been the flocker that attacked and killed my dog right on our patio, right in front of us, in broad daylight. I say, "shoot the b**stards."

and then again

"I didn't say my dog had emotions, but my wife and I do and I'm peeed that 1000's of dollars spent on the dog are now history. I spent the money because we enjoyed having the dog around and she was a great little alert dog. We would have been able to enjoy her for many years to come, God willing, if not for the coyote. This type of thing happens in urban environments as well so you can't blame it on Baja. You can blame it on the tree huggers that feel that we must share our environment with these wild creatures even when they kill our pets, or worse, when they kill humans. How tragic is it when a jogger or hiker is attacked and killed by a mountain lion in or near a urban setting. But you can't hunt or kill them until they've attacked someone. When did we lower the value of a human life to that of a wild animal! "

bajatravelergeorge
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Are you on the right Forum ?? This is the one about "Peace, Love, and Fish Tacos" . . . and I don't know if Shari's fish was wrapped in a tortilla or not, but as I see it she's batting 1000 and you're not making many new friends here, Newbie.

djh

Santiago - 12-2-2010 at 08:44 AM

BG: Say 'Hi' back - that is exactly how he would sit on my patio tile when he would come over for, are your ready, pancakes no less. I noticed he liked them better with Aunt Jemima than real maple syrup - cheap date.

bajaguy - 12-2-2010 at 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago
BG: Say 'Hi' back - that is exactly how he would sit on my patio tile when he would come over for, are your ready, pancakes no less. I noticed he liked them better with Aunt Jemima than real maple syrup - cheap date.

Hahahaha.......he "barks" when his breakfast and dinner are late!!!!!.......BUT, NO people food for him. Trimmed him up to about 62 lbs. He really likes the snow also....must be his Canadian heritage!!!!

Here he is with our other Lab, Libbie:

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Sorry

bajaguy - 12-2-2010 at 08:51 AM

For the Hi-Jack

Now back to our regular programming...............

To feed or not to feed...........

Martyman - 12-2-2010 at 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago
there will be fish carcasses washing up by our cleaning station. When Marty's in camp I'm sure he's learned to not bother. They'er not stupid.

Where is the love baby? We always put our fish heads down your septic vent.

wilderone - 12-2-2010 at 09:41 AM

No, this isn't a hijack - Read a book called Sierra Oupost. It's essentially a story of a couple who lived in the wilds of the Eastern Sierra Nevada in order to maintain a dam built in the 30's by Con Ed (I believe - lent the book, never got it back, so details lacking). Of course they had to live there 365 days a year, and sometimes the husband had to go into town to bring in the daily data to the office and get supplies, and his wife would be alone in their cabin. One day a fierce snow storm was swirling, and a half starved coyote came up to the cabin. The woman felt sorry for it and fed it for a few days until it became healthy and it eventually went off on its own. It would return from time to time, keeping its distance, and the woman always kept her distance, respecting the wild animal's instinctive way of life. The coyote returned one day with a mate. The two of them would come for handouts (almost like a social call since they could fend for themselves), being polite in the way the woman more or less taught the first one. One time the woman got very sick and had to stay indoors by herself, and the coyote protectively stayed around until she could come out of the house and show the coyote that she was well. This "relationship" continued for a few years, until one Spring when it didn't come around for a few months, and when, on her usual hike on day, found its body, having been shot by a hunter. She knew it had cubs.
Anyway, the story about the coyotes intertwined in the book about this couple's slice of life in the Sierra Nevada, portrays the woman and coyote's mutual respect for each other and which enriched each other's lives. When animals are sick and ask you for help, help them out. It's when the wild animal becomes dependent on you and starts to lose their hunting and survival instinct that is harmful to both you and the animal. I try to leave some water in parched, high-temperature areas where I camp - who knows what will sip from it - but I like to think that I made some animal's day.

Bajatravelergeorge:

sanquintinsince73 - 12-2-2010 at 09:41 AM

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Dude, after 30-some years of traveling to Baja I am still in awe when I see these beautiful creatures roaming around. Yep, I even stop and take pictures of coyotes. We are infringing on their turf, we are just guests in their Baja. You say shoot the ba$tards? Shoot yourself for allowing your pets to roam freely in coyote territory. Pendejo, you are just a chit-disturber.

shari - 12-2-2010 at 09:47 AM

thanks for the book suggestion Wilderone...sounds like a wonderful read. I have lived in the wilds and learned to live with the cougar & bear...leaned to respect their territory and share it.

Coyote ugly is not around but I heard he was living in a rock hollow at the beach by the boat launch...probably comes and cleans up the fish scraps from our cleaning station.....we have no homeless in Asuncion!

TMW - 12-2-2010 at 10:01 AM

My brothers and I did an experiment once on what coyotes like to eat. One night after dinner while camping at San Rafael we left out a can of Denny Moores beef stew, a can of chili and a can of tomates all mostly empty. The next morning the tomatoe can was the closest to camp, then the chili can further away and then the Denny Moore can was the farthest away and licked clean. Our conclusion was that coyotes like Denny Moore the best. My oldest bro thought it was due to the aged beef in it.

In the book "The Land of Shorter Shadows" by Earl Standley Gardner 1948 he tells of finding a newly born coyote that he kept as a pet. Good reading.

wilderone - 12-2-2010 at 10:10 AM

"We are infringing on their turf, we are just guests in their [home]"

In Lake Tahoe it is a crime to shoot a coyote and people have been fined and prosecuted for killing a coyote. It is also a crime to feed the bears.

sanquintinsince73 - 12-2-2010 at 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
"We are infringing on their turf, we are just guests in their [home]"

In Lake Tahoe it is a crime to shoot a coyote and people have been fined and prosecuted for killing a coyote. It is also a crime to feed the bears.

My brother's got a place in Nevada City and he and his wife have coexisted peacefully with the "wildlife" for many years.

shari - 12-2-2010 at 11:17 AM

never fed bears but I have shared a berry bush with them...it was more like them sharing their bush with me...allowing me to pick too....as long as I didnt look at them and stayed on my side of the patch....I did share my corn crop with them though!

One of the most beautiful things I've ever seen was a cougar mamma and her 2 kits walking down our path in front of the cabin...I will never forget that tail...she never got any of our cats but if she ever did....well...there are lots of kitties looking for good homes. I chose to live in cougar country an accepted the risks.

DianaT - 12-2-2010 at 11:23 AM

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I imagine you agree that the law against feeding bears is a good one---it far too often leads the bear to an early death.

mtgoat666 - 12-2-2010 at 11:31 AM

I like wile e coyote.
Road runner is a mean, mean bird.
Shoot road runner, save wile!

Cypress - 12-2-2010 at 11:58 AM

Believe in live and let live. Plenty of coyotes around my place. No problems, they mostly eat rodents. Wolves have established themselves, endangered I think, they'll go for your livestock. There's no shortage of cougars, not endangered, they'll take your livestock. Bears, both black and grizzley, no problems. Sorta nice having 'em around. They're all neat critters. But, I don't feed 'em.

shari - 12-2-2010 at 12:29 PM

it is a well known fact that ANY human habituated wild animal are at far greater risk to get dead...which is what bothers me about all this popular whale petting...it puts the friendlier animals at risk.

we are often asked if we feed the sealions...a BIG NO!!! dont need to...they are super curious just lookin at us.

but...an old dying critter....well...I make an exception to my dont feed the wildlife rule...gotta take cases one at a time as individual circumstances...kinda like mexican law!

jorgie - 12-2-2010 at 12:37 PM

go for it , I would

Ken Bondy - 12-2-2010 at 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by shari
it is a well known fact that ANY human habituated wild animal are at far greater risk to get dead...which is what bothers me about all this popular whale petting...it puts the friendlier animals at risk.

we are often asked if we feed the sealions...a BIG NO!!! dont need to...they are super curious just lookin at us.

but...an old dying critter....well...I make an exception to my dont feed the wildlife rule...gotta take cases one at a time as individual circumstances...kinda like mexican law!

You did the right thing sis. Coyotes are magnificent, intelligent creatures, masters of survival. It amazes me how they have adapted to human encroachment.

mulegemichael - 12-2-2010 at 01:57 PM

yeah, they're magnificent alright until you've seen all your neighborhoods dogs and cats picked off by them; i speak from personal experience here...by feeding them they get friendlier and friendlier and before long and before ya know it, they are dining on your puddy tat or chico perro...trust me here....at our northern home in washington their population is at epidemic proportions now and housepets are disappearing daily.

LancairDriver - 12-2-2010 at 02:13 PM

I think it's quite clear here that no one is advocating a regular wild animal feeding program by any means. The gist of the thread seems to be humanely helping out an old straggler in need and good judgment prevailed.

Good for you Shari!

DianaT - 12-2-2010 at 02:54 PM

A few months back there was a coyote down the beach in Bahia Asuncion that started to become a problem----he was taken care of. And for visitors with pets, we have seem small groups of them in the town near the beginning of town in the early evening time----beautiful to see, but just watch your pets.

Feeding a nosy bear and making a judgement call to feed an old sick coyote looking at one are two very different things. Most people would probably put out some food for the old coyote. But I know we would be very careful to protect our pets from association with the possibly very sick coyote---but that also is a judgement call.

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Originally posted by shari

But I just couldnt help myself...the dogs got used to the idea of having him around and even the cats went up to him for a sniff.

[Edited on 12-3-2010 by DianaT]

Ken Bondy - 12-2-2010 at 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
yeah, they're magnificent alright until you've seen all your neighborhoods dogs and cats picked off by them; i speak from personal experience here...by feeding them they get friendlier and friendlier and before long and before ya know it, they are dining on your puddy tat or chico perro...trust me here....at our northern home in washington their population is at epidemic proportions now and housepets are disappearing daily.

I understand, mulegemichael, I have lost pets (cats and rabbits) to them also, and that was sad but I considered it to be my fault. They were here before I was, and they are just doing what they have to do to survive. We live in a canyon area and see or hear them almost every day. We are much more careful with our animals now and have had no "incidents" in decades. The fact that they have nailed a few of my pets does not change my opinion that they are magnificent animals. I don't advocate feeding them, of course, but the situation shari described is unusual and I think being kind to an old one was the right thing to do.

motoged - 12-2-2010 at 04:03 PM

Sometimes I am a grouchy old bear....does that mean you won't feed me if I show up?

Nahhhh... we'll feed ya,

djh - 12-2-2010 at 05:39 PM

right after we neuter ya, worm ya, dip ya in a hot flea bath, and send ya to obedience school

djh

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Originally posted by motoged
Sometimes I am a grouchy old bear....does that mean you won't feed me if I show up?

mcfez - 12-2-2010 at 06:29 PM

I know that I am going get a lot of slack for saying this: we use a cup or two of dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) for the real sick coyotes. Sometimes it is just needed for for poor creatures. It's rather painless to swallow, and the animal will not suffer anymore.

[Edited on 12-3-2010 by mcfez]

Cypress - 12-2-2010 at 06:44 PM

mfez, Dihydrogen monoxide? Water?

Marc - 12-3-2010 at 07:03 AM

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I imagine you agree that the law against feeding bears is a good one---it far too often leads the bear to an early death.

My son shot two bears last year IN HIS BACK YARD in Weaverville, Ca.

mcfez - 12-3-2010 at 07:29 AM

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mfez, Dihydrogen monoxide? Water?

wilderone - 12-3-2010 at 09:10 AM

"My son shot two bears last year IN HIS BACK YARD in Weaverville"

Why?

Barry A. - 12-3-2010 at 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
"My son shot two bears last year IN HIS BACK YARD in Weaverville"

Why?

Because bears and people don't mix, especially in BACK YARDS.

Barry

sanquintinsince73 - 12-3-2010 at 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

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Originally posted by wilderone
"My son shot two bears last year IN HIS BACK YARD in Weaverville"

Why?

Because bears and people don't mix, especially in BACK YARDS.

Barry

Well hell, let me break out the old "hog leg" and go whack some gang-bangers, they don't mix well with people either. Seriously though, why wasn't Fish & Game called?

Tbone - 12-3-2010 at 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
I like wile e coyote.
Road runner is a mean, mean bird.
Shoot road runner, save wile!

I have a big ol 1 legged road runner (not kidding) that hops through bu yard every couple of days. cool bird

sanquintinsince73 - 12-3-2010 at 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by Tbone

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
I like wile e coyote.
Road runner is a mean, mean bird.
Shoot road runner, save wile!

I have a big ol 1 legged road runner (not kidding) that hops through bu yard every couple of days. cool bird

My brother had a four-legged Road Runner that we use to keep brightly polished waiting for his return from South East Asia.

karenintx - 12-3-2010 at 10:37 AM

This past April we had the opportunity to visit The Galapagos Islands. It was truly amazing to be among animals that allow you to be just inches from them...showing no fear or interest in you. Just doing what is natural to them...mating, birthing even dying.

Thirteen different islands in one week, we observed Mother Nature at her best and at her very worse. It was heartbreaking to see small seal pups deteriorating because it's mother never returned from the sea...she was only trying to eat so she could nurse her offspring when she became the victim of the food chain.

The naturalists told us "we do not interfere with nature...useless an animal returns from the sea with fishing line, plastic bag or other man made objects attached to them."

I may not agree...but I understand and respect The Galapagos Islands philosophy and laws.

toneart - 12-3-2010 at 11:19 AM

I live in the mountains, seven miles above Nevada City, California, overlooking a deep canyon. Bears come up from the canyon frequently and traverse my property to raid the neighborhood garbage cans. (I don't put out my garbage until pick up day). I have seen generations of bears that I recognize as cubs from previous years. One was a golden color even though he was of the California Black Bear Species.

Coyotes howl often and I hear them making kills. They don't come on my property though. I think there is enough game for them without raiding our properties.

The bears come often. One broke branches in my apple tree one year. One time my dog, Paco, was barking and I went down the hill where he was, to see why he was barking. The trail curved and I had to walk around a big Pine that was obstructing my view. All of a sudden, "Hello!"; a big fat black bear was having a standoff with my dog, and I was 5' away. The bear looked at me and I slowly backed up and called my dog. I moved slowly, never turning my back on the bear and my dog followed me. He does obey my commands when he hears my serious voice. The bear stayed where he was. In that particular spot, it is a narrow strip of land where the earth had eroded away, so Paco had the bear cornered.

When we backed off, the bear lumbered away. They really hate noise and the sound of dogs barking. They want nothing to do with that. All they want is an easy road to the garbage which is a guaranteed food source for them. They are not normally aggressive, unless it is a mother with cubs.

Anyway, they don't really cause problems for me and I really don't feel they are a threat. Of course, I don't feed them and I don't tempt fate, except for that inadvertent, face to face meeting.

Paco roams the property and he lets any creature know that he belongs there; it is HIS property!! He stands strong! He is left alone during the day when he doesn't ride with me to town. At night he sleeps in the house.

I know, you are looking at that photo and wondering why I am not in Baja right now. I can tell you that I have pulled muscles around my shoulder blades and neck, offering a shrug as an answer to the question. :?:

Bob H - 12-3-2010 at 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by toneart

He does obey my commands when he hears my serious voice.

I am positive that Paco heard your "serious voice" in that situation.

mcfez - 12-3-2010 at 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by toneart

Wow you live off the Red Dog area by any chance? My 1800's ancestors founded the town of Red Dog (Henry Stehr). Up by the Camel's Hump and Chalk Bluffs area.

For the bear killer that is really probably just trolling:

Killing off bears because they are in your backyard ....what a dope you are. Move to the city if wild life is too much of a nuisance for you.
Gods forbid for those big pines in your rear yard, interfering with your view....lets mow down them wild things too.

[Edited on 12-3-2010 by mcfez]

elgatoloco - 12-3-2010 at 12:57 PM

We have witnessed coyotes in Baja digging for clams in Scammons and swimming in the lake at PSR. Smart,adaptable creatures they are. :dudette:

Cypress - 12-3-2010 at 01:30 PM

Coyotes have plenty to eat down in the deep south of USA. They get big and healthy, might weigh in at 40 lbs. Lots for them to eat. And they will eat anything. Real plush coats. Smart critters. Hard to trap. Run 'em with hounds in what they call "Fox Pens". Each to his own? Not my bag.

LancairDriver - 12-3-2010 at 01:49 PM

For the past 15 years I have lived on a river in the Southern Oregon coastal mountains and daily have almost every type of wildlife to include bears, cougars, coyotes,bobcats, elk, deer etc.etc crossing my property. I have a number of dogs and cats and have never had a problem that required killing or harming any animal. I don't feed or leave garbage around to attract the wildlife. About once a year a pack of coyotes will gang up and try to entice my dogs to chase them, but a 20 round warning burst over their bow from my AK-47 discourages them for about another year. Very effective and harmless.There is no need to kill any of these animals and usually the problems around here are with some marooon leaving smelly garbage around.

Cypress - 12-3-2010 at 01:54 PM

I'm in total agreement with you LancairDriver. :bounce:

Cypress - 12-3-2010 at 02:39 PM

Got an Ermine hanging around. They're something else. Fun to watch. :yes:

Lauriboats - 12-3-2010 at 04:20 PM

Hey Shari I think that your coyote was at my place this morning, poor thing, I didn't feed it. He ended up going through the garage cans at the green house with the store.

Marc - 12-3-2010 at 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

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Originally posted by Barry A.

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Originally posted by wilderone
"My son shot two bears last year IN HIS BACK YARD in Weaverville"

Why?

Because bears and people don't mix, especially in BACK YARDS.

Barry

Well hell, let me break out the old "hog leg" and go whack some gang-bangers, they don't mix well with people either. Seriously though, why wasn't Fish & Game called?

He IS Fish & Game!

Marc - 12-3-2010 at 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by toneart

[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc]

He IS fish and game

BajaBlanca - 12-3-2010 at 06:16 PM

can't argue that one !!

[Edited on 12-4-2010 by BajaBlanca]

toneart - 12-3-2010 at 06:18 PM

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Mcfez-
Yes! I go right up Red Dog Road, up Banner Lava Cap in Cascade Shores...the back side of Scott's Flat Lake. The main boat marina is across the lake, but we have our own boat ramp on our side too, where we can launch a boat. Chalk Bluff, where they blasted the cliffs with water cannons, mining gold, is right below my property. Fortunately, I look out over the canyon to the mountains beyond and cannot see the water-eroded cliffs. They are on the face of the rear of my property.

Just to be clear to anyone who may read your post hastily, I am NOT the bear killer! I am the wildlife lover and don't mind sharing my land with them. :smug:

Marc - 12-3-2010 at 06:18 PM

To mcfez. Hey Big Fella. My son is a CHP officer in Weaverville, Ca. He is now on temp loan to the county. His job is busting pot growers and meth labs. He also works with the Fish & Game people. He has two small children. Do you think he is going to shoot a bear illegally. Who is the dope?? Look in the mirror!!

[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc]

[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc]

toneart - 12-3-2010 at 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by toneart

He does obey my commands when he hears my serious voice.

I am positive that Paco heard your "serious voice" in that situation.

Paco! Go get me another Pacifico! :light:

Hey Big Fella, got a minute for a free education?

mcfez - 12-3-2010 at 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Marc
To mcfez. Hey Big Fella. My son is a CHP officer in Weaverville, Ca. He is now on temp loan to the county. His job is busting pot growers and meth labs. He also works with the Fish & Game people. He has two small children. Do you think he is going to shoot a bear illegally. Who is the dope?? Look in the mirror!!

[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc]

[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc]

Did I say anything about the legality of shooting a bear in California? I said what a dope for shooting the bear. Ever heard of trap and release? Tranquilizing dart? Hello? Hello? Anyone home? Who is the dope?? Look in the mirror!!

The plain statement of "shot two bears" without saying he was with Fish&Game...was trolling. The statement also projected "so what...we kill bears for the hell of it" . Killing the bears with no mercy was projected too..intentionally I believe. I have to assume everything else you said is not on the up and up. You may not give a damn about wildlife...but I sure do. Killing is not the only option. This aint some shoot em up John Wayne western movie Dude. It's life!

Assuming you are full of B.S. Keep reading.

Section 4181.1 of the Fish and Game Code states that landowners may kill a bear encountered in the act of molesting or injuring livestock.

No one can go out in their back yard and just kill a bear. Period. In Tahoe for example.....you be arrested for killing a bear...and other wildlife. Up in our cabin at Tahoe Donner...the same goes. And we have more bears up there than people it seems.

I find it hard for a CHP is be playing Fish and Game. My Father in Law agrees....him being a CHP in Oakland! CHP has been overwhelmed with Home Land Security issues and letting their personnel on loan is hard to believe.

Here....some real detail stuff for you to learn about taking out bears:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/bear/depredation.html

DFG's bear depredation policy represents a progressive response system based upon the degree of damage being caused. Bear situations are categorized and then addressed. In the first category, a bear strays into a populated area and cannot readily return to bear habitat. This bear has simply found itself it the wrong place. In most situations, removal of the antagonists or distractions from the area will allow the bear to return to nearby bear habitat with no other incident. Designated a "no harm no foul,"techniques to remove the bear may include, but are not limited to the use of sound makers, pepper spray, rubber slug shot shells or sling shot projectiles to drive the bear away or haze the bear out of the area. Tranquilizing and removing the bear can be used if other methods are determined to be unsafe or have been unsuccessful.

In the second category, a bear becomes habituated to humans and may be a nuisance problem (no property damage involved) by tipping over garbage cans, invading compost piles, walking across porches, and so forth. Previously captured bears that have returned to areas of human habitation are included in this category. In these cases, the landowner or tenant is informed of reasonable corrective measures as a solution to the problem, which include but are not limited to: area clean-up, removal of trash or other food attractants, bear-proofing food storage areas, electric fencing, temporary closure of campsites. As mentioned above, techniques to remove the bear may include, but are not limited to the use of sound makers, rubber slug shot shells or sling shot projectiles to drive the bear away or haze the bear out of the area.

In the third category, a bear causes real property damage to a dwelling(s), structure(s), vehicle(s), apiaries, etc., or is a repeat offender (the bear has been previously captured or hazed by DFG employees). If the damage is minor and there are no other previous reports of damage ? the first action is implementation of reasonable corrective measures to remove attractants as outlined for the second category. Corrective measures must be made prior to, or in addition to, issuing a depredation permit. When a bear has caused extensive or chronic damage to private property (such as livestock killed or injured, or entered into a home or cabin), repeated damage where corrective or bear-proofing efforts have failed, etc., DFG issues a depredation permit.

[Edited on 12-4-2010 by mcfez]

toneart is NOT the bear killer!!!!!

mcfez - 12-3-2010 at 07:17 PM

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We got maps of the whole area from the late 1800's. The actually site of Red Dog is NOT where the marker says it is. Yeah...the 70's and 80' my brothers and I explored every cranny up there, including the mines. You live in a great area!

Have you "heard" the baby crying at the Red Dog Cemetery? At sundown ....there is always a baby crying from the distance. Turns out that there is one one grave there (all the graces are adults, no kids)...is a baby child of 3 years old. Died from falling in a mine . I have experienced hearing this baby myself. It happens! Yeah...many strange things up there.

[Edited on 12-4-2010 by mcfez]

mojo_norte - 12-3-2010 at 07:51 PM

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Yeah- so.. whyyy'ed he shoot them bears?!

mojo_norte - 12-3-2010 at 07:54 PM

Go Mcfez!

On the question of Wiley Coyote

vgabndo - 12-3-2010 at 11:53 PM

Mr. Coyote is getting his day in court, I recommend you read on.

In The United States District Court
Southwestern District, Tempe, Arizona

The Honorable Homer Simpson, Presiding

Wile E. Coyote, )
Plaintiff )
v. ) Case No. B19293
Acme Company, )
Defendant )
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Opening statement of Mr. Ralf Rinkle, attorney for Mr. Coyote:

My client, Mr. Wile E. Coyote, a resident of Arizona and contiguous states, does hereby bring suit for damages against the Acme Company, manufacturer and retail distributor of assorted merchandise, incorporated in Delaware and doing business in every state, district, and territory. Mr. Coyote seeks compensation for personal injuries, loss of business income, and mental suffering caused as a direct result of the actions and/or gross negligence of said company, under Title 15 of the United States Code, Chapter 47, section 2072, subsection (a), relating to product liability.

Mr. Coyote states that on eighty-five separate occasions he has purchased of the Acme Company (hereinafter, "Defendant"), through that company's mail-order department, certain products which did cause him bodily injury due to defects in manufacture or improper cautionary labeling. Sales slips made out to Mr. Coyote as proof of purchase are at present in the possession of the Court, marked Exhibit A. Such injuries sustained by Mr. Coyote have temporarily restricted his ability to make a living in his profession of predator. Mr. Coyote is self- employed and thus not eligible for Workmen's Compensation.

Mr. Coyote states that on December 13th he received of Defendant via parcel post one Acme Rocket Sled. The intention of Mr. Coyote was to use the Rocket sled to aid him in pursuit of his prey. Upon receipt of the Rocket Sled Mr. Coyote removed it from its wooden shipping crate and sighting his prey in the distance, activated the ignition. As Mr. Coyote gripped the handlebars, the Rocket Sled accelerated with such sudden and precipitate force as to stretch Mr. Coyote's forelimbs to a length of fifty feet. Subsequently, the rest of Mr. Coyote's body shot forward with a violent jolt, causing severe strain to his back and neck and placing him unexpectedly astride the Rocket Sled. Disappearing over the horizon at such speed as to leave a diminishing jet trail along its path, the Rocket Sled soon brought Mr. Coyote abreast of his prey. At that moment the animal he was pursuing veered sharply to the right. Mr. Coyote vigorously attempted to follow this maneuver but was unable to, due to poorly designed steering on the Rocket Sled and a faulty or nonexistent braking system. Shortly thereafter, the unchecked progress of the Rocket Sled brought it and Mr. Coyote into collision with the side of a mesa.

Paragraph One of the Report of Attending Physician (Exhibit B), prepared by Dr. Ernest Grosscup, M.D., D.O., details the multiple fractures, contusions, and tissue damage suffered by Mr. Coyote as a result of this collision. Repair of the injuries required a full bandage around the head (excluding the ears), a neck brace, and full or partial casts on all four legs.

Hampered by these injuries, Mr. Coyote was nevertheless obliged to support himself. With this in mind, he purchased of Defendant as an aid to mobility one pair of Acme Rocket Skates. When he attempted to use this product, however, he became involved in an accident remarkably similar to that which occurred with the Rocket Sled. Again, Defendant sold over the counter, without caveat, a product which attached powerful jet engines (in this case, two) to inadequate vehicles, with little or no provision for passenger safety. Encumbered by his heavy casts, Mr. Coyote lost control of the Rocket Skates soon after strapping them on, and collided with a roadside billboard so violently as to leave a hole in the shape of his full silhouette.

Mr. Coyote states that on occasions too numerous to list in this document he has suffered mishaps with explosives purchased of Defendant: the Acme "Little Giant" Firecracker, the Acme Self-Guided Aerial Bomb, etc. (For a full listing, see the Acme Mail Order Explosives Catalogue and attached deposition, entered in evidence as Exhibit C.) Indeed, it is safe to say that not once has an explosive purchased of Defendant by Mr. Coyote performed in an expected manner.

To cite just one example: At the expense of much time and personal effort, Mr. Coyote constructed around the outer rim of a butte a wooden trough beginning at the top of the butte and spiraling downward around it to some few feet above a black X painted on the desert floor. The trough was designed in such a way that a spherical explosive of the type sold by Defendant would roll easily and swiftly down to the point of detonation indicated by the X. Mr. Coyote placed a generous pile of birdseed directly on the X, and then, carrying the spherical Acme Bomb (Catalogue #78-832), climbed to the top of the butte. Mr. Coyote's prey, seeing the birdseed, approached, and Mr. Coyote proceeded to light the fuse. In an instant, the fuse burned down to the stem, causing the bomb to detonate.

In addition to reducing all Mr. Coyote's careful preparations to naught, the premature detonation of Defendant's product resulted in the following disfigurements to Mr. Coyote:

1. Severe singeing of the hair on the head, neck, and muzzle.
2. Sooty discoloration.
3. Fracture of the left ear at the stem, causing the ear to dangle in the after shock with a creaking noise.
4. Full or partial combustion of whiskers, producing kinking, frazzling, and ashy disintegration.
5. Radical widening of the eyes, due to brow and lid charring.

We come now to the Acme Spring-Powered Shoes. The remains of a pair of these purchased by Mr. Coyote on June 23rd are Plaintiff's Exhibit D. Selected fragments have been shipped to the metallurgical laboratories of the University of California at Santa Barbara for analysis, but to date, no explanation has been found for this product's sudden and extreme malfunction.

As advertised by Defendant, this product is simplicity itself: two wood- and-metal sandals, each attached to milled-steel springs of high tensile strength and compressed in a tightly coiled position by a c-cking device with a lanyard release. Mr. Coyote believed that this product would enable him to pounce upon his prey in the initial moments of the chase, when swift reflexes are at a premium.

To increase the shoes' thrusting power still further, Mr. Coyote affixed them by their bottoms to the side of a large boulder. Adjacent to the boulder was a path which Mr. Coyote's prey was known to frequent. Mr. Coyote put his hind feet in the wood-and-metal sandals and crouched in readiness, his right forepaw holding firmly to the lanyard release. Within a short time Mr. Coyote's prey did indeed appear on the path coming toward him. Unsuspecting, the prey stopped near Mr. Coyote, well within range of the springs at full extension. Mr. Coyote gauged the distance with care and proceeded to pull the lanyard release.

At this point, Defendant's product should have thrust Mr. Coyote forward and away from the boulder. Instead, for reasons yet unknown, the Acme Spring-Powered Shoes thrust the boulder away from Mr. Coyote. As the intended prey looked on unharmed, Mr. Coyote hung suspended in air. Then the twin springs recoiled, bringing Mr. Coyote to a violent feet- first collision with the boulder, the full weight of his head and forequarters falling upon his extremities.

The force of this impact then caused the springs to rebound, whereupon Mr. Coyote was thrust skyward. A second recoil and collision followed. The boulder, meanwhile, which was roughly ovoid in shape, had begun to bounce down a hillside, the coiling and recoiling of the springs adding to its velocity. At each bounce, Mr. Coyote came into contact with the boulder, or the boulder came into contact with Mr. Coyote, or both came into contact with the ground. As the grade was a long one, this process continued for sometime.

The sequence of collisions resulted in systemic physical damage to Mr. Coyote, viz., flattening of the cranium, sideways displacement of the tongue, reduction of length of legs and upper body, and compression of vertebrae from base of tail to head. Repetition of blows along a vertical axis produced a series of regular horizontal folds in Mr. Coyote's body tissues--a rare and painful condition which caused Mr. Coyote to expand upward and contract downward alternately as he walked, and to emit an off-key, accordion-like wheezing with every step. The distracting and embarrassing nature of this symptom has been a major impediment to Mr. Coyote's pursuit of a normal social life.

As the court is no doubt aware, Defendant has a virtual monopoly of manufacture and sale of goods required by Mr. Coyote's work. It is our contention that Defendant has used its market advantage to the detriment of the consumer of such specialized products as itching powder, giant kites, Burmese tiger traps, anvils, and two-hundred-foot-long rubber bands. Much as he has come to mistrust Defendant's products, Mr. Coyote has no other domestic source of supply to which to turn. One can only wonder what our trading partners in Western Europe and Japan would make of such a situation, where a giant company is allowed to victimize the consumer in the most reckless and wrongful manner over and over again.

Mr. Coyote respectfully requests that the Court regard these larger economic implications and assess punitive damages in the amount of seventeen million dollars. In addition, Mr. Coyote seeks actual damages (missed meals, medical expenses, days lost from professional occupation) of one million dollars; general damages (mental suffering, injury to reputation) of twenty million dollars; and attorney's fees of seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. By awarding Mr. Coyote the full amount, this Court will censure Defendant, its directors, officers, shareholders, successors, and assigns, in the only language they understand, and reaffirm the right of the individual predator to equal protection under the law.

[This lawsuit appeared in a column, written by Scott Anderson. You can subscribe to this column, delivered by email, by sending a message to the following address: joke-request@tdkt.skypoint.net. On the first line of the message, type the word 'subscribe' without the '. - staff]

[On 12/12/95 we received the following e-mail:

>Subject: Re: Wiley Coyote v. Acme Company
>
>I read the above item at your web site, and it seems to be an almost
>verbatim copy of "Coyote v. Acme" by Ian Frazier, which was published
>in the New Yorker magazine on 2/26/90, pages 42-43. However, you give
>no credit to Mr. Frazier. . . .

Since we have no idea who, if anyone, actually has rights to this work we hope that these acknowledgements will satisfy. If not, let us know. - staff]

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Wiley catches the RR

landyacht318 - 12-4-2010 at 12:04 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5I

motoged - 12-4-2010 at 01:18 AM

Amen ....

Pompano - 12-4-2010 at 05:16 AM

Wiley says, "You feed me, nature feeds me...whatever. Either way I'm a creative survivor.

...yeecchhh..those damn feathers..."

TMW - 12-4-2010 at 11:23 AM

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He does obey my commands when he hears my serious voice.

I am positive that Paco heard your "serious voice" in that situation.

Paco! Go get me another Pacifico! :light:

Toneart that is a beautiful picture. I knew a guy that had a yellow Lab that he taught to open the ice box and get a beer and bring it to him. He said he would have showed him how to open the can but thought the dog might drink the beer.

toneart - 12-4-2010 at 11:57 AM

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He does obey my commands when he hears my serious voice.

I am positive that Paco heard your "serious voice" in that situation.

Paco! Go get me another Pacifico! :light:

Yep! Dogs can be wily that way! When it comes to bears or beer, you have to use your serious voice. :yes:

bajamedic - 12-4-2010 at 12:44 PM

After this little guy ripped a window off of the house while trying to break in to my office (where no food is kept) the Department of Fish and Game issued a Depravation Permit and he is now fertilizing some trees that he once enjoyed the fruit from. I love having the animals around and it was their territory first, when they become destructive and threatening to my family, my love ends. JH

[Edited on 12-4-2010 by bajamedic]

mojo_norte - 12-4-2010 at 07:01 PM

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After these little guys tried to steal my picnic basket , Mr. Ranger gave me a Deprivation Permit - They made my day and now are fertilizing the wildflowers ..

woody with a view - 12-4-2010 at 07:10 PM

if it was me looking down the nose of that blackie..... the first one to blink would be pushing up daisies.

there are benefits to being at the top of the food chain, and having an opossable thumb! they were here first, of course. but the smart ones learn that the easy meal isn't always the best course.

something humans could learn from.....

sanquintinsince73 - 12-4-2010 at 07:32 PM

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I sincerely hope that your son did not inherit your disposition. "My son is CHP", so what!! Anyone can be a "triple-A with a gun". That piece of tin on a peace officers chest means nothing if the person wearing it is a m oron.

[Edited on 12-5-2010 by sanquintinsince73]

[Edited on 12-5-2010 by sanquintinsince73]

I think this guy is getting his Deprivation process too.

mcfez - 12-4-2010 at 08:06 PM

The ranger here is bout to do him in for being a nuisance.

I just love some of these wanna be John Wayne types here at BN. Talking tough about killing bears for breaking a window or stealing last nights dinner left overs. Yeah...just kill them dead. It's faster, cheaper, and more thrilling than simply putting the critter asleep and do relocation.

Now if the bear is directly coming in for attack towards one...sure...do it in. But raiding your garbage can? You John Wayne "wanne be's" belong at the Holiday Inn.......sounds like you cant handle a little nature

[Edited on 12-5-2010 by mcfez]

bear.jpg - 32kB

No Bears, No Elk, No Moose in Baja

Gypsy Jan - 12-4-2010 at 08:26 PM

Just some (very) Odd Fellows.

mojo_norte - 12-4-2010 at 08:28 PM

Sorry - all this macho (make my day bear) gun talk is a problem with me . I think such people fear and/or are of touch with wildlife. Bears come round where I live in the fall - they are desperate for food to consume enough calories to survive hibernation. People aren't responsible - trash, barbecues, bird feeders, open windows . They scare easily - banging pots and pans sends them running. Round hear the policy of the Division of Wildlife seems to be to monitor the animal - they wait and see if the animal leaves - if it hangs around they shoot it with a tranquilizer dart and relocate it . Anyway , no humans killed around here lately from bear attacks to my knowledge - many bears killed to human ignorance and negligence.

sanquintinsince73 - 12-4-2010 at 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by mojo_norte
Sorry - all this macho (make my day bear) gun talk is a problem with me . I think such people fear and/or are of touch with wildlife. Bears come round where I live in the fall - they are desperate for food to consume enough calories to survive hibernation. People aren't responsible - trash, barbecues, bird feeders, open windows . They scare easily - banging pots and pans sends them running. Round hear the policy of the Division of Wildlife seems to be to monitor the animal - they wait and see if the animal leaves - if it hangs around they shoot it with a tranquilizer dart and relocate it . Anyway , no humans killed around here lately from bear attacks to my knowledge - many bears killed to human ignorance and negligence.

Right on. These and coyotes are beautiful creatures and to actually see one in person, in the wild, is an awesome experience. I say shoot the shooters!!!

motoged - 12-4-2010 at 10:49 PM

Shari,
Now you see all the trouble you have caused by feeding a sick old coyote :?:

You have clearly upset the balance of nature and a bunch of bad stuff has ensued.

Why don't you just stick to sitting back in BA and stop upsetting everyone??? :no:

There seems to be some sensitivities ruffled....you have folks shooting bears and cougars....others shooting at the bear and cougar hunters, and you have even managed to get Wile E. killing a poor bird

I just am so upset by all this :barf:

I think you are an insensitive anarchist just toying with the good folks of this No Mad forum....stop trolling....so we can get back to picking on DK or complaining about la mordida surges...

:lol:

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