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Alligators

Mexitron - 12-3-2010 at 07:35 PM

Was reading Baegert's "Observations in Lower California" (1772) and it was mentioned that alligators once roamed the waters of Baja...that was news to me, but certainly makes sense in the warmer southern waters. Anyone have any more info on this?

DENNIS - 12-3-2010 at 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Mexitron
Was reading Baegert's "Observations in Lower California" (1772) and it was mentioned that alligators once roamed the waters of Baja...that was news to me, but certainly makes sense in the warmer southern waters. Anyone have any more info on this?



I've never seen them here, but I have seen them up close in San Blas on the mainland.

David K - 12-3-2010 at 07:41 PM

A famous exaggeration by a missionary... The Second Harvest was another! :rolleyes:



[Edited on 12-4-2010 by David K]

Paulina - 12-3-2010 at 08:04 PM

We find ourselves swerving to avoid running over Alligators on Hwy 1 all the time.

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Barry A. - 12-3-2010 at 08:14 PM

Well, if there is even the remotest possibility that gators or crocks existed in the SOC and the Baja rivers, then certainly we should reintroduce them at once. After all, wolf and Grizz reintroduction into the USA, especially in CA, is high on some folks list of priorities.

By the way, bears in peoples backyards in CA are shot all the time, but CA F&G just does not know about it, for obvious reasons.

People first, then dangerous critters, is my motto---never the reverse.

Barry

(edited for spelling errors----whew, caught most of them)

[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Barry A.]

BajaBruno - 12-3-2010 at 09:28 PM

I'm sorry to hijack this thread, but what is an "hour" as a unit of distance?

stevelaubly - 12-3-2010 at 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
I'm sorry to hijack this thread, but what is an "hour" as a unit of distance?



For people whose odometers don't work.
Similar to saying Santa Ana is about "2 six-packs" from San Diego :lol:

BooJumMan - 12-3-2010 at 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
I'm sorry to hijack this thread, but what is an "hour" as a unit of distance?


Lol, I was going to ask the same thing. I would love to know.

Hour walking? Hour sailing? Hour is a unit of time not distance says Engineering self... :)

BajaBruno - 12-4-2010 at 01:00 AM

I suppose stevelaubly is probably correct, but BooJumMan has legitimate questions. Certainly an "hour" in a dug-out canoe is not the same as an hour in a proper sailing ship, and neither of which are an hour equivalent of walking.

These are the times when I wish I had an Oxford English Dictionary. The 1913 Webster is no help.

However, without running this into the ground, and comparing the "hours" to actual distances, it is clear that the good missionary was way off in his calculations, but an hour in his distance must be close to a mile in ours.

David K - 12-4-2010 at 06:59 AM

He is talking about the Colorado River (at the delta) being a "quarter of an hour wide"... we now use the term 'degree'... as in degrees, minutes, seconds (on a map). A 'quarter of an hour' is 15 minutes or pretty close to 17 statute miles. A minute being a nautical mile.

More from the Internet:

Degree length
The length of an arcdegree of north-south latitude difference, , is about 60 nautical miles, 111 kilometres or 69 statute miles at any latitude; more exactly, a degree of latitude at the pole covers about 1 percent more distance than a degree at the equator . The length of an arcdegree of east-west longitude difference, roughly , is about the same at the Equator as the north-south, reducing to zero at the poles.



[Edited on 12-4-2010 by David K]

Mexitron - 12-4-2010 at 10:56 AM

Are you sure that's an exaggeration David or a guess? Like Dennis mentioned---they're right across on the mainland, doesn't seem farfetched that they would have lived on the SOC...probably though, since he did travel over the mainland to get to Baja he may have gotten mixed up in his locales...he didn't sit down to write the book until after he returned to Germany.....

David K - 12-4-2010 at 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Mexitron
Are you sure that's an exaggeration David or a guess? Like Dennis mentioned---they're right across on the mainland, doesn't seem farfetched that they would have lived on the SOC...probably though, since he did travel over the mainland to get to Baja he may have gotten mixed up in his locales...he didn't sit down to write the book until after he returned to Germany.....


I don't know for certain Steve... but surely there would be more records or evidence of alligators... I wasn't aware of any on the Pacific Coast of Mexico...?

One thing is true, none of us were alive back then so we can only trust what is written or what we see evidence of.

Thanks for posting... Fun to resarch this sort of thing... I will keep looking to see if ANYBODY else has recorded alligators in Baja...

DENNIS - 12-4-2010 at 11:17 AM

Well, I'm not confused. Around 1965 I sat in Torino's Bar in San Blas one afternoon having a cold one while leaning on a small wall around a watery tropical garden setting. The place was dark and it was hard to see. The only other patron who was sitting at the bar told me I shouldn't be hanging my arm over the wall. I looked closer to where he refered and saw a four foot gator about two feet from my arm.
Turns out, in all of the waterways that go inland, gators can/could be found in abundance and I saw this myself at the end of a river ride. There was a concrete bathtub type thing with around 50 small gators in it. For what...I don't know.
Since I've heard they also taste like chicken, they're probably gone too.

Cypress - 12-4-2010 at 11:27 AM

They do taste kind of like chicken, different texture. Can be found in some restaurants down in Louisiana. Make various dishes out of 'em.

Taco de Baja - 12-4-2010 at 11:37 AM

I don't think the SOC has ever had alligators. I think Baegert was spinning tall tales. And even put an alligator on his map.





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Rare map of Baja California and northern Mexico based on the explorations of the Jesuit Ferdinand Consag, which confirmed Kino’s reports of the non-insularity of California. The map appeared in Jacob Baegert’s Observations in Lower California, in which he reports: “After Father Ferdinand Konschak (Consag), a Jesuit from Hungary, investigated and explored the entire east coast of California as far as the Colorado River (which he followed upstream for several hours in 1746), it can no longer be doubted that California is a peninsula, bounded by the sea on three sides only, rather than completely surrounded as was once believed.” Kino’s journeys of 1684-5 had been undertaken by land and were not considered to be definitive proof that California was not an island.

Baegert’s map includes details of the Jesuit missions of Baja California and Northern Mexico. He also adds the path of his own journey to California from Mexico in 1751 as well as of his departure upon the expulsion of the Jesuits from California in 1768. Baegert’s notes on the map tend to support his view of California as a wasteland full of dangerous savages: “Here Fathers Tello of Spain and Ruhen of Germany were killed in 1750 by Pimi (Indians);” ”Mission of Guaymas destroyed by apostate Seri (Indians);” “Los Apaches: Heathen Savages.” The map is attractively engraved with a cartouche decorated with craggy rocks, sparse vegetation, a palm tree, and an alligator.

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toneart - 12-4-2010 at 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
I suppose stevelaubly is probably correct, but BooJumMan has legitimate questions. Certainly an "hour" in a dug-out canoe is not the same as an hour in a proper sailing ship, and neither of which are an hour equivalent of walking.

These are the times when I wish I had an Oxford English Dictionary. The 1913 Webster is no help.

However, without running this into the ground, and comparing the "hours" to actual distances, it is clear that the good missionary was way off in his calculations, but an hour in his distance must be close to a mile in ours.


I often refer to hours in reference to distance. I think it is valid if you agree upon the mode of transportation. I am more interested in knowing how long it will take to reach a destination. Miles or kilometers are an abstract reference that are only important to engineers and cartographers. :light::P:lol:

Alligators in Western Mexico? No, but...

David K - 12-4-2010 at 11:51 AM




THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALLIGATORS AND CROCODILES


The two are often confused, but visually crocs and alligators are quite different. Alligators have a very broad, wide snout, and crocodiles have a narrower snout and jaw. Also crocodiles often have a lower tooth that juts out noticeably, while an alligator's fourth tooth is hidden.

WHERE THEY LIVE


Crocodilians are a cold-blooded species, and require an average temperature of approximately 80 degrees Fahrenheit to survive. This being the case, they are found on warmer continents that have swampy or humid conditions for at least part of the season.


The American alligator lives almost exclusively in the lower southeast regions of North America, from the Carolinas to Texas.

The caiman, a smaller species of crocodiles, populate a large section of southern Mexico, Central and South America.

The Chinese alligator lives in the lower Yangtze valley in China.

The American crocodile is scattered throughout the Everglades and Florida Keys, and in Mexico and Central America.

The African Nile crocodile is one of the most notorious, often growing as large as 16 to 20 feet in length.

Southeast Asia has the Indo-Pacific crocodile, which lives in Indonesia, to the Philippines, and Australia.

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The American crocodile (Crocodylus acutus) is a species of crocodilian found in the Neotropics.

It is the most widespread of the four extant species of crocodiles from the Americas.

Populations occur from the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of southern Mexico to South America as far as Peru and Venezuela. It also lives within many river systems on Cuba, Jamaica, and Hispaniola. Within the United States the American crocodile is only found within the southern half of Florida. In Florida, there is an estimated population of about 2000. Despite its proximity to Hispaniola, the American crocodile is not found in Puerto Rico.

The habitat of the American crocodile consists largely of coastal areas. The American crocodile is larger than some other crocodile species, with some males reaching lengths of 6.1 metres (20 ft) in Central and South America.



Looks like we got crocs in the Sea of Cortez... on the mainland side!

BajaBruno - 12-4-2010 at 11:57 AM

David K., I have to argue with the idea that an hour is a degree, even though it makes perfect sense and both have sixty minutes. If that were true, then his estimate of the width of the SOC from Cabo (150 hours, or 9,000 nautical miles) is so greatly exaggerated that it seems implausible that he could have believed it true.

Similarly, he writes that the Baja peninsula is 400 hours long, which would translate to 24,000 n. miles if an hour were a degree. He must have known that could not possibly be correct.

Am I missing something here?

As for the lizards, the distribution of Crocodylus acutus is reported to extend fairly far up of the Sea of Cortez. Perhaps in earlier times it extended even further north. See: http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/cnhc/cst_cacu_dh_map.htm

DENNIS - 12-4-2010 at 11:58 AM

"Looks like we got crocs in the Sea of Cortez... on the mainland side!"
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So...If you slide Baja over to the mainland where it once was, they would be in this area as well. Sí??

Barry A. - 12-4-2010 at 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
"Looks like we got crocs in the Sea of Cortez... on the mainland side!"
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So...If you slide Baja over to the mainland where it once was, they would be in this area as well. Sí??


I doubt that they (the crocs) would survive the "big squeeze", Dennis.

Barry

Taco de Baja - 12-4-2010 at 12:39 PM

Found some literature about crocs and gators in the fossil record, and some other historical sitings at least in Sonora.....

My guess is they are quite rare.


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North America - Mexico
[For this issue of the newsletter we have received two interesting notes concerning the northernmost
distribution of American crocodiles along the Pacific Coast of Mexico. Editors.]

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CROCODILIAN REMAINS FROM THE LATE PLEISTOCENE OF NORTHEASTERN SONORA, MEXICO. The fossil record of crocodilians in Mexico during the Pleistocene is exceedingly rare. Of interest to us is a fossil-rich deposit from along the Río de Moctezuma, in mountainous, northeastern Sonora (29º 45.N lat., 109º 40.W long., 605 m elev.). Today the locality is dominated by a Sinaloan thornscrub community. The Río de Moctezuma begins just north of the town of Nacozari and flows south to join the Río de Bavispe and the Río Yaqui, which then empties into the Gulf of California immediately south of Guaymas, Sonora (Figure 1). The fossil lake deposit is situated adjacent to the village of San Clamente de Térapa, about 10 km south of Moctezuma.

To date, our work has concentrated on surface exposed fossils, and has already produced 39 vertebrate taxa. The precise age has not been established, but based on the recovery of the bison, it is likely to be within the past 500,000 years. During this time a lava-dammed Río de Moctezuma produced a short-lived lake (Lago Térapa, Lake Terapa). Fossils are recovered from the three sedimentary units of the lake deposit. The structure of the sediments, their distribution within the basin, and the nature of the fauna indicate the occurrence of a shallow paludal (marsh or swamp) environment, which we believe to be similar in structure to the llanos and pantanal (flooded grasslands and savannas) of South America. Areas within the Lago Térapa basin during this phase contain the tropical rodent, Hydrochaeris (capybara), along with grassland species such as Bison (bison), Equus (horse), Glyptotherium (glyptodon), and Holmesina (extinct giant armadillo, pampathere).

A sedimentary facies contains well-sorted, coarse- to fine-grained sands and is consistent with a slow-flowing river channel within the paludal environment. This facies contains crocodilian teeth, snails, clams, and abundant fish and turtles. Other areas within the basin during this phase appear to lack what we interpret to be open water and contain remains of turtles, large tortoise, horse, deer, extinct pronghorn, xenarthrans (ground sloths and armadillos), and tropical birds (possibly representing near-shore and less submerged grasslands).

Six isolate teeth recovered from riverine facies sands are distinctive to those found in crocodilians, and their sizes are indicative of at least two different life stages. The teeth are conical and pointed to blunt-pointed; two of the teeth are slightly recurved (Figure 2). All the teeth have distinct vertical striations on the surfaces of the crown (a characteristic found on both crocodylids and alligatorids). Most of the teeth are weakly to strongly carinate (keeled) with crests oriented postero-mesially.

No crocodilians live today in interior northern Mexico or in the greater Gulf of California along the mainland or Baja California. Crocodylus acutus (American crocodile, cocodrilo del río) is the most widely distributed of the North American crocodiles. Its present distribution includes Altata (near Culiacán) and Mazatlán within the entrance to the Gulf of California (Ernst et al. 1999). Seri (Comcáac) Indians report the occasional sightings of a crocodile ("gila monster from the sea"; assumed to be C. acutus) as far north as Punta Sargento (the northernmost mangrove lagoon on the Sonoran coast), including two sightings recorded during the 1900s, with one large adult washed up on the southeast shores of Tiburón Island (Nabhan, in press; Figure 1). Baegert (1952) indicated seeing "alligators" of considerable size at the confluence of the Colorado River and the Gulf in A.D. 1751.

These northern reports likely represent vagrant, range-exploring individuals and are recorded only along coastal waters and near-shore islands. We are not aware of any oral accounts or published literature indicating subfossil or historic records of any crocodilian being observed up-river from the Gulf of California in Sonora. Recent damming of major rivers (e.g., Río Mayo and Río Yaqui) for water storage and hydroelectric uses have all but completely decimated the coastal mangrove lagoons, removing these northern disjunct communities and thereby restricting the crocodile to the tropical south.


This tropical and mangrove lagoon species is distinctive to coastal brackish and freshwater habitats, though it is known to travel up major river systems (which is what we suggest to explain the arrival of a crocodilian at Lago Térapa; 350 km inland during the Ice Age). The alligatorid, Caiman crocodilus (common caiman) is a small, highly adaptable crocodilian that lives among other areas, along the Pacific Ocean coast of southernmost Mexico and Central America the only other crocodilian today on the Pacific Ocean side of Mexico.

Reports of crocodilian fossils from the Ice Age of Mexico are rare in the literature. Two fragmented jaws, isolate teeth, a vertebra, and dermal scutes (osteoderms) recovered from the late Pliocene deposits of Las Tunas (> 2.0 million years ago) on southernmost Baja California were attributed to cf. Crocodylus moreletii (Morelet.s crocodile; Miller, 1980). No verified accounts exist for natural C. moreletii population along coastal, western Mexico. These Pliocene-Age fossils warrant a new examination based on the identification and present distribution of that species. We suggest that the crocodilian at Lago Térapa was likely.

We thank the personnel of the Cleveland Metroparks Zoo (Ohio) for their donation of the skeleton of Dreadnought, a 4.3 m long, +44 year old male Crocodylus acutus. Such material for our comparative skeleton collection is critical to the teaching and researching of fossil crocodilians. Jim I. Mead, Dept. of Geology & Quaternary Sciences Program, Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff, Arizona 86011- 4099, USA <James.Mead@nau.edu> & Arturo Baez, Dept. of Geosciences & College of Agriculture & Life Sciences, University of Arizona, 4101 N. Campbell Ave., Tucson, AZ 85719, USA.

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CROCODYLUS ACUTUS IN SONORA, MEXICO. The American crocodile (Crocodylus acutus) is a widely distributed species, ranging from northern South America to the tip of the Florida peninsula and the Pacific coast of Mexico. In the latter, the mouth of the El Fuerte River (25º 49. N, 109º 24. W), in the state of Sinaloa, is considered its northernmost stronghold. However, there are historical accounts of American crocodile populations farther north in Sonora state, such as the report by Jesuit Father Juan Nentuig, who in 1764 wrote about crocodiles in the mouth of the Yaqui River (27º 21. N, 110º 30. W). Today, that area is much changed: as one of Mexico.s biggest and most productive agricultural valleys, the river’s freshwater flow has been reduced to such an extent that crocodiles are no longer found there. The same could be said of the mouth of the Mayo River, some 100 km to the southeast and where long-time residents still remember the caimanes.


Occasional individuals may have wandered away from those areas, as suggested by the capture of a crocodile on 19 January 1973 in the El Ciego estuary, near Las Guásimas, approximately 30 km east of Guaymas, Sonora (27º 52. N, 110º 33. W). This specimen was netted unintentionally by two fishermen who were night-fishing for sea bass. From the photo published in El Diario newspaper the following day, the crocodile was estimated to measure approximately 2.5 m. Because that area does not have freshwater discharges, is located at the southern fringe of the Sonoran Desert, and receives irregular and scarce rainfall, it is unlikely that a breeding population of American crocodiles was ever established there. The surprise and interest that the event caused among local people is evidence that the species was not common then in the area. It may constitute the northernmost recorded evidence of the species along the Pacific coast. Today, it appears that the species has been extirpated from Sonora. Carlos J. Navarro, Marine Biologist & Wildlife Photographer, Mexico<navarrosc@hotmail.com>.


CROCODILE SPECIALIST GROUP NEWSLETTER VOLUME 22 No. 1 - JANUARY /March 2003

Bob H - 12-4-2010 at 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
They do taste kind of like chicken, different texture. Can be found in some restaurants down in Louisiana. Make various dishes out of 'em.


In Louisiana, they also make boudin out of alligator meat! YUMMY!
http://www.cajungrocer.com/comeauxs-alligator-boudin-p-1473....


[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Bob H]

DENNIS - 12-4-2010 at 12:47 PM

For those of us who have no idea what Boudin is:

http://www.examiner.com/creole-cajun-food-in-houston/boudin-...

Bob H - 12-4-2010 at 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
For those of us who have no idea what Boudin is:

http://www.examiner.com/creole-cajun-food-in-houston/boudin-...


For those who have never had boudin, it is fantastic! I order it online and will pay any price to have that stuff in my freezer. I like the pork boudin, but all of it is good.

Thaw it out, get cookie sheet, tin foil, spray some Pam, lay it out and cook at 275-deg for 45 mins, turning once.

Prounced Boo-Danah with a slight southern drawl... lol

Who dat say gonna beat dem Saints! hahaha

Mexitron - 12-4-2010 at 01:08 PM

David--it was my impression that an "hour" was the distance one could walk in an hour---in Baja at that time it was more important to know how long it would take, over such rough terrain, than to know how far it was as the crow flies...as it were.

Dennis---San Blas still had gators/crocs when we went surfing there in 1990...a couple folks said to be careful about paddling out through the swamp to get out to the point at Mantachen Bay(!) They had/have a jungle boat ride through the back swamps to look at crocs too...

David K - 12-4-2010 at 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
David K., I have to argue with the idea that an hour is a degree, even though it makes perfect sense and both have sixty minutes. If that were true, then his estimate of the width of the SOC from Cabo (150 hours, or 9,000 nautical miles) is so greatly exaggerated that it seems implausible that he could have believed it true.

Similarly, he writes that the Baja peninsula is 400 hours long, which would translate to 24,000 n. miles if an hour were a degree. He must have known that could not possibly be correct.

Am I missing something here?

As for the lizards, the distribution of Crocodylus acutus is reported to extend fairly far up of the Sea of Cortez. Perhaps in earlier times it extended even further north. See: http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/cnhc/cst_cacu_dh_map.htm


Yah.. it is too bad that time and distance measurements sometimes use the same names! In space, it is okay as in Light Year!

Most of what you cite above is perhaps 'travel time' in hours and not degrees (hours) on the globe of the earth. Perhaps it was only common in Baegert's time to call a degree of longitude an hour? It is confusing...

If I find a good answer, I will post it...

David K - 12-4-2010 at 01:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mexitron
David--it was my impression that an "hour" was the distance one could walk in an hour---in Baja at that time it was more important to know how long it would take, over such rough terrain, than to know how far it was as the crow flies...as it were.

Dennis---San Blas still had gators/crocs when we went surfing there in 1990...a couple folks said to be careful about paddling out through the swamp to get out to the point at Mantachen Bay(!) They had/have a jungle boat ride through the back swamps to look at crocs too...


Yah... I think so... but the Colorado River being a 'quarter hour' wide sound like a distance to me... and 15 minutes (15 nautical miles) is right on for the opening of the Colorado at the head of the gulf.

capt. mike - 12-5-2010 at 04:07 PM

are they crocs or alligators?
the river trip up out of San Blas used to feature gators or crocs - i thot only crocs were in SA or CA?
and gators are strictly USA stuff? in the south?

Barry A. - 12-5-2010 at 05:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by capt. mike
are they crocs or alligators?
the river trip up out of San Blas used to feature gators or crocs - i thot only crocs were in SA or CA?
and gators are strictly USA stuff? in the south?


See David K's "map" on the previous page of this thread--------points out where crocs and aligator habitat is. Crocs on the west coast of mainland Mexico, it would appear, as well as elsewhere.

(This map, however, seems to be in conflict with some of the narritives I have read here?!?!?!?!?)
Barry

croc

tehag - 12-5-2010 at 05:48 PM

A friend who has played golf in Mazatlán reports that there is a crocodile in a water hazard on a course there. Bet he's got a lotta balls.

Bajafun777 - 12-5-2010 at 06:58 PM

While hunting in Los Mochis a number of years back a friend shot a duck and then started wading into the water to get it. The "Mexican Hunting Guide,"which you were required to have with you while hunting, started yelling in Spanish for this friend to get out of the water. Now, the friend started saying what is he saying, to which the guide said,"I think the crocodile swim faster than you!" Upon hearing the guide saying this the friend saw two eyes barely above the water rapidly approaching him. Then we all saw a miracle, the friend turned into Jesus and Ran not Walked on water. We all started laughing so hard when he made it safely to shore and then we watched as the crocodile took the duck whole in one bite disappearing into the water. True story and the guide told us a number of children get killed each year while swimming or fishing in the large dirt canals down there. Needless to say we stopped duck hunting and went back to hunting doves & quail.

With that said, I should say I have never seen or heard about any crocodiles in Baja. Maybe if they were in Baja they made too good of a taco and that is why they are not there anymore,hmmmmmm? LOL Take Care & Travel Safe " No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

David K - 12-5-2010 at 07:01 PM

It would be cool to find some other evidence that crocs swam across the gulf to Baja or just around the coast past the Colorado delta.

Barry A. - 12-5-2010 at 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by David K
It would be cool to find some other evidence that crocs swam across the gulf to Baja or just around the coast past the Colorado delta.


Jeeeezo, David---------we canoed and camped all over that delta, watched the title bore, coyotes everywhere, birds everywhere, but even the thought of a croc there makes the hair on the back of my neck rise up!! Who knew???????? When I saw your posted map of croc habitat I realized it was MUCH TOO CLOSE to the Delta for comfort. :lol::lol:

But, we never saw any because they ain't there, thank Gawd.

Barry

Hook - 12-5-2010 at 09:00 PM

Seems to me Pompano talked about seeing crocs/caimans/gators in the Rio Mulege when he first got there. That was a LONG time ago, well before Consag and Kino. I believe he arrived on Cortes' second voyage.

How 'bout it, Roger? Break out that Kodacolor album of yours!

Martyman - 12-6-2010 at 09:37 AM

I did the boat jungle tour in San Blas a few years ago. Crocodiles not alligators. They have a swimming area at the end of the boat ride, i snuck up on my 12 years old and gave his leg a good tug underwater. He still remembers. I'm a bad papa!

DENNIS - 12-6-2010 at 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by Martyman
I did the boat jungle tour in San Blas a few years ago. Crocodiles not alligators. They have a swimming area at the end of the boat ride, i snuck up on my 12 years old and gave his leg a good tug underwater. He still remembers. I'm a bad papa!



Nothing like giving your kid PTSD in a swimming hole. :lol:

That's probably the same jungle tour I was on a million years ago. The water at the end was about 15 feet deep and the bottom was littered with beer cans. At that time, nobody suggested swimming there.

Trueheart - 12-6-2010 at 10:07 AM

There are "cocodrilos" at Zihuatenejo .... south end of the beach (Playa de Ropa). A stream from the mountains reaches the beach where a small lagoon is formed just before reaching the ocean, but right at the ocean's edge ... right at the beach. I've seen 'em ... several of 'em ... various sizes! They tend to stay in the lagoon waters though ... fresh water. But if they get hungry enough, do they wander a bit? Hmmm?

Cypress - 12-6-2010 at 10:24 AM

Will be down in gator country in few days. Looking forward to some boudin, fishing and warm weather.:D

Mexitron - 12-6-2010 at 11:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Trueheart
There are "cocodrilos" at Zihuatenejo .... south end of the beach (Playa de Ropa). A stream from the mountains reaches the beach where a small lagoon is formed just before reaching the ocean, but right at the ocean's edge ... right at the beach. I've seen 'em ... several of 'em ... various sizes! They tend to stay in the lagoon waters though ... fresh water. But if they get hungry enough, do they wander a bit? Hmmm?


I've heard the gators down in Australia will go into the open ocean at times...as if great whites aren't enough.

Barry A. - 12-6-2010 at 12:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mexitron
Quote:
Originally posted by Trueheart
There are "cocodrilos" at Zihuatenejo .... south end of the beach (Playa de Ropa). A stream from the mountains reaches the beach where a small lagoon is formed just before reaching the ocean, but right at the ocean's edge ... right at the beach. I've seen 'em ... several of 'em ... various sizes! They tend to stay in the lagoon waters though ... fresh water. But if they get hungry enough, do they wander a bit? Hmmm?


I've heard the gators down in Australia will go into the open ocean at times...as if great whites aren't enough.


Yep, the Aussies call them "saltys", and they grow to be huge, and are ferocious!!! But if you feed them, and talk kindly to them, they are docile and sweet. :o

:P

Barry

11 years later... Near Cabo Pulmo

David K - 10-11-2021 at 10:17 AM

Crocodile at Las Piedras Bolas



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[Edited on 10-11-2021 by David K]

Ken Bondy - 10-11-2021 at 12:02 PM

Casper the alligator.

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AKgringo - 10-11-2021 at 08:13 PM

I have never seen this thread before, but I have seen crocodiles on the mainland. I was last in La Manzanilla in 2007, and the crocs there were large, and numerous.

It is in the state of Jalisco, a few miles north of Barra de Navidad, and they are a tourist attraction. Some of them hang out on the beach and swim in the saltwater there.

Foolish people can easily take a selfie, or hand feed some of the more docile ones!