BajaNomad - Tourist cards needed?

Tourist cards needed?

socalrat - 12-4-2010 at 04:42 PM

Only planning on going as far south as San Felipe, but we will be there 2.5 weeks. DO we need a tourist card? Can they be obtained in San Felipe, or do we need to stop in Mexicali?

Thanks!

DENNIS - 12-4-2010 at 04:51 PM

Well....you're supposed to have one after being in the country more than 72 hours or one week, depending on who you talk to. You would really have to get yourself jambed up before anyone would ask.
If it's no trouble, just get them. One less thing to think about.

mcfez - 12-4-2010 at 05:13 PM

DavidK is correct.

But.....we never get the cards for family members and friends that comes down to SF to our home there...no matter what the length of stay. Never in ten years been ask for the card.

Sweetwater - 12-4-2010 at 05:16 PM

I was never asked for the Visitor Visa till we went through Guerrero Negro....then it was a $25 fee plus a $50 fine........we were pre-running the Baja 1000 and had been across the border for about 72 hours.....my advice is "just get one.........." :wow:

woody with a view - 12-4-2010 at 05:21 PM

suckers always claim they "never had to before." just wait until you have an accident. don't you think the adjuster is going to ask for your "papers?" seems like an easy out for the company.

$20 for the driver (and the piece of mind) is chump change. open up the wallet, Squeeky!

mcfez - 12-4-2010 at 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
suckers always claim they "never had to before." just wait until you have an accident. don't you think the adjuster is going to ask for your "papers?" seems like an easy out for the company.

$20 for the driver (and the piece of mind) is chump change. open up the wallet, Squeeky!

And just how do they determined you been in Baja past 7 days?

socalrat - 12-4-2010 at 05:26 PM

Not worried about the $$$ (although I *did* just lose my job!). Was more worried about finding the right place and parking the FJ and trailer.

Didn't get one last time. hmmm.....

gb3

mcfez - 12-4-2010 at 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by socalrat
Not worried about the $$$ (although I *did* just lose my job!). Was more worried about finding the right place and parking the FJ and trailer.

Didn't get one last time. hmmm.....

gb3

Not everyone has cash flowing out of their pockets here...as some BN's here appear to have. Let me tell you....there's a whole lot of visitors coming to SF and don't bother with the card. Budget has a lot to do with it. Laziness too. All I can say....I and "guest(s)" spend bucks in Baja...so I aint a Squeeky as one claims. I even donate down there too. Defining me as a Squeeky is pure nonsense.

DENNIS - 12-4-2010 at 05:50 PM

I have always found this recurring conversation strange. Some here, including myself, would say don't worry about it. Nobody will ever know.
On the other hand, seems as though we all would prefer that Mexicans coming to the states do it legally.
Like I said, I would probably fall in this catagory, but I can never understand why we sit here, support a double standard, then talk shamelessly about it to the world.

Now..don't yell at me for my opinion. I'm as guilty as everybody else.

Oh well....never mind.

socalrat - 12-4-2010 at 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I have always found this recurring conversation strange. Some here, including myself, would say don't worry about it. Nobody will ever know.
On the other hand, seems as though we all would prefer that Mexicans coming to the states do it legally.
Like I said, I would probably fall in this catagory, but I can never understand why we sit here, support a double standard, then talk shamelessly about it to the world.

Now..don't yell at me for my opinion. I'm as guilty as everybody else.

Oh well....never mind.

Possible to get one in the States before crossing over? Maybe even at the Consulate?

gb3

DENNIS - 12-4-2010 at 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by socalrat
Possible to get one in the States before crossing over? Maybe even at the Consulate?

gb3

Used to be able to get them at the Mex Consulate in San Diego, but you still had to pay for them at a Mexican bank to have them actvated [so to speak]. Same thing today when getting them at the border.
You'll just have to grin and bear it. It won't take long and you'll feel better about having them.

woody with a view - 12-4-2010 at 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez

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And just how do they determined you been in Baja past 7 days?

sorry fez. wasn't aimed at you. as Dennis said the double standard exists. just pay the $20.

mcfez - 12-4-2010 at 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view

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Originally posted by mcfez

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And just how do they determined you been in Baja past 7 days?

sorry fez. wasn't aimed at you. as Dennis said the double standard exists. just pay the $20.

I must be tired...I thought I saw cross hairs aimed at me. Accept MY apologizes Sir. You know...I think I am the most understanding and lovable Nomad here

bajalou - 12-4-2010 at 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by Sweetwater
I was never asked for the Visitor Visa till we went through Guerrero Negro....then it was a $25 fee plus a $50 fine........we were pre-running the Baja 1000 and had been across the border for about 72 hours.....my advice is "just get one.........." :wow:

It's not just the hours, it's the distance - any time south of San Felipe is supposed to have one. and I agree with Dennis, If you don't like undocumented Mexicans in the USA, don't be a undocumented US Citizen in Mexico.

But we all know getting around Mexican law is the favorite pastime of Americans.

MsTerieus - 12-4-2010 at 09:03 PM

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An astute observation, IMO.

(By the way, it's catEgory.)

Strange Things and Double-Standards

MrBillM - 12-4-2010 at 09:21 PM

I'VE Always found it STRANGE when I hear people comparing Gringos traveling to Baja sans Paperwork with Mexicans entering the U.S. Illegally.

ALL of the Gringos I've known coming to Baja have arrived with Dinero which they SPEND and then they go HOME.

On the other hand, those from Mexico who arrive in the U.S. without papers are mostly Broke, either go to work or into crime and TRY to NEVER go home.

Whatever your position on Immigration, the two situations are NOT analogous.

bajaguy - 12-4-2010 at 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
I'VE Always found it STRANGE when I hear people comparing Gringos traveling to Baja sans Paperwork with Mexicans entering the U.S. Illegally.

ALL of the Gringos I've known coming to Baja have arrived with Dinero which they SPEND and then they go HOME.

I'm not sure Gringos without an FMM spending money makes it legal...........

Double standards.........

bajaguy - 12-4-2010 at 09:28 PM

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Don't forget about digging clams and driving on the beach

DENNIS - 12-4-2010 at 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy

Don't forget about digging clams and driving on the beach

Used to be able to do both of those things up at Pismo Beach. Has that changed?

bajaguy - 12-4-2010 at 09:40 PM

Dunno, Amigo....I was referring to Baja

mcfez - 12-4-2010 at 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by bajaguy

Don't forget about digging clams and driving on the beach

Used to be able to do both of those things up at Pismo Beach. Has that changed?

No change. 5 miles of beach open for vehicle use

DENNIS - 12-4-2010 at 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Life is too short to sweat the small stuff, don't you think?

In your case, that quip is all too unreliable, but we can hope.

MsTerieus - 12-4-2010 at 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
I'VE Always found it STRANGE when I hear people comparing Gringos traveling to Baja sans Paperwork with Mexicans entering the U.S. Illegally.

You would.

Sweetwater - 12-5-2010 at 08:54 AM

The irony for us is that the Visa was issued the next day by the race.........we thought we were OK and covered with our participation but without the paperwork, we were shelling out the pesos at Bancomex.......

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tourist fee

mcfez - 12-5-2010 at 09:23 AM

Tourist fee...just where does these fees (taxes) go to?

Back in the early 2000'sSan Felipe was hurt so bad that the 3 day grace period for not having to pay and get a tourist card is extended to 7 days.

I just wonder how a car load of Families members can afford Baja' tourist fees? Hey...some folks save their money for several years to have a vacation in Baja. I rather see that bogus tourist fee goes to the merchants and street vendors.

Another thing here. I have NEVER seen a sign coming into Mexico (driving) that states a tourist card is required. No signs in San Felipe all the way down to BoLA .Most first timers (and many of their other future visits) don't have a clue about the tourist card requirement.

I have been stopped by police at their check points in downtown Mexicali and beyond (502 checks?), and the Military points....no one ever asking to see my tourist card much less any of my legals docs from Mexico.

Get car insurance? Absolutely.
FM's? Absolutely.

Tourist cards? No big deal. They don't have a clue that you have been in Baja (San Felipe limits) for more than 7 days

Like DavidK said...speed limits? We all do the speed limits? Shell fish collection? Debating with the police (try that here in the USA!). I dont drink, do drugs, fight or whatever else some folks here thinks that a Viking does....I do obey most laws...just as you, the reader here!

[Edited on 12-5-2010 by mcfez]

Terry28 - 12-5-2010 at 11:20 AM

It would be nice to hear from someone that had a legal problem, accident, arrest etc. that did not have a permit and see what the consequences were.
I agree with those that stated. Follow the rules and avoid the potential for problems. When in Rome........

DENNIS - 12-5-2010 at 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Immigration regulations are a FEDERAL LAW and nobody from INM has ever published anything that says the 72 hour limit was extended to 7 days... or that the border zone has moved south of Maneadero to San Quintin or Guerrero Negro (that I have seen)!

Ya know........it occurs to me, so I don't understand why it wouldn't occur to you, that these pesky Mexicans might perhaps be writing their regulations in a language of which you have not a clue, Spanish.
It's Mexico, not the DMV, and they arn't at all concerned with publishing in fifty different languages.
But I suppose that's unreasonable...especially to a tourist who thinks that eating a couple of chickensht fish tacos gives him the right to interpret the rules as they suit his trip.

So far here, you have condoned speeding and choosing the status of being illegal, an arrogant Mojado, in a country which hosts your visit with nothing more than the simple request that you obey their laws, but you find this request inconvenient.

I cannot believe your attitude, "I love Baja but have no respect for the law there." You should be so proud of yourself, Mr. Ambassador.

DENNIS - 12-5-2010 at 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Terry28
It would be nice to hear from someone that had a legal problem, accident, arrest etc. that did not have a permit and see what the consequences were.

I've seen it happen. An elderly US couple here had their new car confiscated for almost no reason. They allowed their handyman to drive it to a garage and on the road, the police, who knew the young man and that he wasn't licensed to drive a CA. plated car, pulled him over and impounded the car.
The police flat told them that they would not get their car back so they had to get a lawyer, one from DF who had the huevos to fight the Ensenada system, and he finally got the car back for the owners.
In the process, the owners had to get straight with immigration before the process could continue, which they did. They were racing the clock.
Point is, if you arn't legal, you have no grounds for defense.

sancho - 12-5-2010 at 11:41 AM

As mentioned. to be a legal tourist ANYWHERE
in Mex over 72 hrs., you need an fmm tourist card.
There have been posts not neding an fmm for 7 days.
I have NEVER read any Official Print out from Mex
Immigration stating that, quite the opposite,
the Regs Issued in May with the fmm state the 72 hr rule.
I've been told by Mex IMM at the border you can be in
Mex for 7 days without an fmm. I don't go along with that.
However many visitors to San felipe don't bother with them
regardless of their stay. I too get a kick out of
travellers who report not being asked fot an fmm
while in Mex, of course you won't be asked,
if asked you probably are in a situation you don't
want to be in. At least, get an fmm for anyone who is driving,
the Old Calexico crossing would be a real hassle parking a trailer, if Mex Customs will let you park near their inspection
area that would do, but I wouldn't count on it. There is
virtually no parking, I have to park some 6 blks into Mexicalli
and walk back to Mex IMM

BajaBlanca - 12-5-2010 at 11:44 AM

I reiterate that when at the immigration office twice inthe last 3 weeks, they told me that the law had changed and that all visitors were required to register ie get a tourist visa upon crossing the border.

I understand that Discover Baja can issue the visas in San Diego ??? which makes it very convenient. and even if you have to go to a bank to pay - no one is going to argue that point if you have the paperwork in hand - from discover baja or the Mexican consulate or after crossing the border (where you can pay 24/7 and 7 days a week.

Whether you are going to get caught is not the real issue here, none of us should condone breaking the law intentionally ..... and it is surely NOT our business what they spend the money on either, right ? Don't have to look very far to see moeny being misspent in the good ole US of A

DENNIS - 12-5-2010 at 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by sancho
I've been told by Mex IMM at the border you can be in
Mex for 7 days without an fmm. I don't go along with that.

That is precisely what an INM official told me around eight years back. He had no reason to lie...he was in the process of deporting me anyway.

I really don't care if it's right or wrong. It doesn't affect me whatsoever.

DENNIS - 12-5-2010 at 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I reiterate that when at the immigration office twice inthe last 3 weeks, they told me that the law had changed and that all visitors were required to register ie get a tourist visa upon crossing the border.

That can't be right, Blanca. Daytrippers to TJ arn't going to go through that process to walk across the border for a day's shopping.
Mexico hasn't completely turned it's back on the need for tourism and a move like this would have devastating results on an important area of income.

DENNIS - 12-5-2010 at 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Wow, here we go again... I am just being honest with my experiences here and you have to get personal... Can't you address the question and not bring me into it?

You've got to be kidding. You and your lousy, arrogant attitude are the issue.

mcfez - 12-5-2010 at 12:40 PM

Not picking sides here.......

But David...don't you drive on the beach at Shell beach all the time? Been many pictures of you and hell a lot of other BN doing this.

So we all break laws, my point simple. It's what laws we choose to break.

I read too many times about the free zone for 7 days in San Felipe. I'll research that and see what comes up with a friend of mine in SF.

[Edited on 12-5-2010 by mcfez]

woody with a view - 12-5-2010 at 12:59 PM

everyone knows, mr ambassador, that there are no secrets here......

So we ALL were wrong!

mcfez - 12-5-2010 at 01:05 PM

No tourist cards required for.....

Visas for foreigners (INM)

Effective March 1, 2010 U.S. citizens traveling to Mexico as tourists must present a valid passport or passport card to the immigration authority at the point of entry to Mexico.

U.S. citizens living in the border area with Mexico may cross the border without these documents. Nevertheless, they should present them if they are traveling 20 miles or more, beyond the border into Mexico, in the designated checkpoints.

U.S. citizens entering Mexico by sea may enter without such documents if they are visiting port towns for a short visit. They should present a valid passport or passport card if they travel beyond these port towns.

http://embamex.sre.gob.mx/usa/index.php/consular-services

http://mexico.usembassy.gov/eng/eacs_sheet.html

woody with a view - 12-5-2010 at 01:10 PM

those first three sentances define what is the ambiguity of Mexico. you must present a passport. but if you live near the border you don't have to. do they ever proof read this crap? or are they just like the US Congress/Senate?

sancho - 12-5-2010 at 01:31 PM

One can get a different interpretation
from different Mex Officials at the 3 Baja Border
entry points, regarding tourist card regs. I would have to be told that every
Gringo tourist crossing into Mex needs an fmm
from several IMM Officials before I believed that,although there are always things
that don't make sense. if I was crossing at Calexico
I might consider parking the trailer on the US side
walking over and back to get an fmm, would take a
little time, coming back thru the pedestrian line,
but it may save a headache

mcfez - 12-5-2010 at 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
those first three sentances define what is the ambiguity of Mexico. you must present a passport. but if you live near the border you don't have to. do they ever proof read this crap? or are they just like the US Congress/Senate?

Since when does any Govt issues make sense?!

Bajahowodd - 12-5-2010 at 03:18 PM

So it's a little vague. But the intent remains as it always has been. It's assumed that anyone that's planning a trip beyond the border region will need a visa. Since there have been several reports on here that FMM forms are no longer issued at Guerrero Negro, the idea is get the darn things at the border. Folks chilling in the border region don't need them.

Here's a different aspect. Last time we got our FMM forms at SY, the bank would not accept our payment. We went back to the IMM guy and told him. He said it was OK. We could pay at any bank along the way. I went in to a Chase Bank in California when we got back. They refused to transact business. :spingrin:

DENNIS - 12-5-2010 at 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
No tourist cards required for.....

We're losing everything in the translation. Nothing has changed and those who were right are still right and those who were wrong are still wrong.

You need an FMM [or whatever it is] if you are in country for more than 72 hours/one week.
You need an Fmm at the time that you cross the line below Maneadero or wherever the hell it is and the line below San Felipe.

Why has this age-old regulation become so muddled? It hasn't changed.

When all else fails, make an appeal to our Ambassador, David K.
His Excellency will get your stuff all straightened out. :biggrin:

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[Edited on 12-5-2010 by DENNIS]

Amen, Brother

bajaguy - 12-5-2010 at 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by mcfez
No tourist cards required for.....

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Just get the card!!!!

DENNIS - 12-5-2010 at 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I went in to a Chase Bank in California when we got back. They refused to transact business. :spingrin:

You're supposed to wait three years before Chase will handle it.
Don't forget, now.

DENNIS - 12-5-2010 at 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Just get the card!!!!

No sht. Why is this so difficult to comprehend.

Bajahowodd - 12-5-2010 at 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Just get the card!!!!

No sht. Why is this so difficult to comprehend.

I think it's a philosophical thing. DK has complained about it over and over. It should be free, says he. Methinks there still exists a superiority thing by gringos. After all, it's only Mexico.

Why don't you go check and see what the US charges for a tourist visa. Here-

http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1263.html

Cheapest is $149. And guess what? You pay up front. If you are denied, they keep your money anyway.

[Edited on 12-6-2010 by Bajahowodd]

DENNIS - 12-5-2010 at 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I think it's a philosophical thing. DK has complained about it over and over. It should be free, says he. Methinks there still exists a superiority thing by gringos. After all, it's only Mexico.

Well....that's has to be it. DK is a Racial Supremicist. I always had that hunch. Guess I've been right all along. :biggrin:

socalrat - 12-5-2010 at 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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No tourist cards required for.....

[Edited on 12-5-2010 by DENNIS]

Just get the card!!!!

will get the cards; me, the wife, and a international health certificate for the dog.

going to try the Mexican Consulate here in Los Angeles first. (wife is German, here on Green Card, so it could be complicated) If that doesn't work, we will stop in Calexico Consulate or the IMM(?) office in Mexicali. (assuming I can park the trailer and FJ).

thanks!

mcfez - 12-5-2010 at 06:22 PM

My wife is German too! Green card and all! Sisters?

You wont have a issue with her.....we dont.

socalrat - 12-5-2010 at 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
My wife is German too! Green card and all! Sisters?

You wont have a issue with her.....we dont.

Got the dog from the Netherlands; was easier bringing the puppy into the country than the wife on more than one trip, when she had a student visa.

Overall, I'm guessing we would have zero problems even without the FMM and health certificate. But it makes no sense not to take care of it and be sure..

mcfez - 12-5-2010 at 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Not picking sides here.......

But David...don't you drive on the beach at Shell beach all the time? Been many pictures of you and hell a lot of other BN doing this.

So we all break laws, my point simple. It's what laws we choose to break...

YES.. that is my point... despite what Dennis and Woody think, I am not an ambassador or the other things... I just love the place, and I do break some laws (speeding, beach driving, clams... but that is pretty rare).

I don't speed around towns where any people could be hurt, I don't drive in turtle nesting zones or where people are enjoying the beach in front of towns, I have only collected some clams for personal consumption and not in the past 6 years.

I use common sense and logic and do not believe in a babysitter ********** to control lives or rob freedoms... I am 53 years old, a grandfather, self employed, enjoy people and do my best to be friendly to anyone...

I have tried many times to make nice with the few ******, and there doesn't seem to be much else I can do. I would like to have a beer with Dennis, Woody, Diana, and any others who don't think I am a nice guy or don't think I should be posting about Baja (on a Baja message forum even)...? I don't know very many people who have met me, spent any time to get to know me, and who then dislike me.

If they enjoy speaking bad about me, I **** ***** **** **** ***** have better things to do. I have never 'attacked' anyone on the Internet and only get accused of that after I have been defensive following another's post.

Confusing knowledge with arrogance is another thing. Because I know something and provide an answer shouldn't be confused with arrogance... it is my way of helping and keeping this forum the best place for Baja information. Why the spelling of PLACE names (not all spelling) is important to keep this a true source for Baja travel information.

I do not know all about Baja... I won't be alive long enough for that! I do have an interest in history and natural beauty of Baja and I am pretty current on northern Baja... where I travel more. That's all...

So, I am just a regular guy trying to survive and yet still enjoy life... I am sorry if I write in a way that comes across poorly. But, you can ask the people who post here that spent some time with me, and they will probably tell you I am just a passionate Baja nut who likes to help others have fun in Baja.

I want all Nomads to enjopy life and enjoy Baja... that is why we are here, I thought?

David....
You think most of us needed this rebuttal from you? Hell dude...we know the facts already about you. In other words...no need to defend yourself, my friend :cool:

[Edited on 12-6-2010 by BajaNomad]

DENNIS - 12-6-2010 at 07:21 AM

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Originally posted by David K
(now before one of them jumps in and says I am telling people how to post... I am not, it isn't my forum. I am just making a suggestion for happiness here)

I think you have multiple personalities.
Today you're Father David.
Tomorrow......David the Anarchist. [we don't obey no stinkin laws]
Next day........Good Shepherd David
And the next..........

mcfez - 12-6-2010 at 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Just get the card!!!!

No sht. Why is this so difficult to comprehend.

I didnt know this! What a rip! Insane to charge this amount....or any amount. So a great deal of Mexican citizens would never be able to visit the USA. Smart freaking plan...idiots.

Just like "camping fees" in Ca or anywhere USA......many camps are outdated, unkempt, and you NEVER see a Ranger (like Salt Point, Ca). Fees for what?

DENNIS - 12-6-2010 at 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by David K
There's got to be more to do on Punta Banda than pick on me on Nomad, right?

No.

DENNIS - 12-6-2010 at 08:53 AM

I mean....I don't get it. One minute you advocate ignoring immigration requirements, [in a post which you deleted] the next minute you justify speeding on public roads, and when you're called on it, you revert to your pathetic victimization profile.

"All I want to do is help people. Why is everybody picking on me? Let me show some of my ancient party pictures."

Oh well....you'll never get it either.

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[Edited on 12-6-2010 by DENNIS]

sancho - 12-6-2010 at 10:28 AM

With all the peeing on the other guys zorries, now there is a word, the answer to 'there must be nothing
to do in P Banda than pick on Nomads', hilarious, good stuff,
one can always watch to see if the Carnival Cruise
shjps are on time. Plus you can go to the Pearlman
Theatre or dig a hole on the beach and sit
is the thermal water that fills it up

[Edited on 12-6-2010 by sancho]

mcfez - 12-6-2010 at 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by sancho
With all the peeing on the other guys zorries, now there is a word, the answer to 'there must be nothing
to do in P Banda than pick on Nomads', hilarious,
one can always watch to see if the Carnival Cruise
shjps are on time

May I come with you? I'll bring Spam sandwiches for our lunch.

ElFaro - 12-6-2010 at 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Spanish, no clue? Sorry, but I get by pretty well with Spanish... Many years in school as well as a life time of practice...

Since you brought it up and you have taken it upon yourself to post Baja historical information here on this site...primarily road log tabulations.

I'm curious...how well do you speak, read, and write Spanish? How much schooling have you had in the Spanish language...beginning, intermediate, or advanced ?

And how much immersion in the Spanish language have you placed yourself in ?

I ask because after monitoring your posts over the years I have virtually never seen anything you have posted on historical Baja information that references Spanish sources you have personally read and quoted.

Here's another question for ya in the same vain...Did Howard Gulick speak fluent Spanish ? :?:

mcfez - 12-6-2010 at 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by ElFaro

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Originally posted by David K
Spanish, no clue? Sorry, but I get by pretty well with Spanish... Many years in school as well as a life time of practice...

This question applies to everyone here! DavidK, Dennis, Bubba or whoever....need not explain themselves to you or anyone else. Ask me if I am qualified to write stuff here. You'll get my answer like a swift kick in the pants.

".....monitoring" ? Oh Gods! :lol:

Who are you, the ol great one? Your Lighthouse aint too bright today.

[Edited on 12-6-2010 by mcfez]

David K - 12-6-2010 at 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by ElFaro

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Originally posted by David K
Spanish, no clue? Sorry, but I get by pretty well with Spanish... Many years in school as well as a life time of practice...

Well, afterall this is an English language web site created by an American for anyone to share and learn about Baja travel. We speak English here, so that is why my posts are in English.

I have had Spanish in middle and high school (5 years total)as well as a class in college... I find that I enjoy best speaking with my Spanish speaking friends more than classroom study in order to learn. I wish I could become more fluent...

Either Spanish sources have been translated or the volumes done by English speaking authors have covered the past very well. Any Mexican publications produced I have seen have been very badly researcned and are riffe with errors.

I was only about 10 when I met Howard Gulick, he has passed away... I do not know for sure... but since he talked with so many ranchers and others in Baja for data on roads and the El Camino Real, I would assume his Spanish was pretty good.

Buenas Noches!