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Trailer palapa building costs?

halcyondays - 12-7-2010 at 06:35 PM

My wife and I are getting a little discouraged by the apparent costs of building an extremely humble living space while we save to build our real house.

It seems even a small studio will run us about $40,000 and that seems very high considering we will never use it when we build the actual house.

Does anyone have experience having a trailer palapa with a small deck built in the Todos Santos area?

How much did it cost?

We are thinking it may be a lot cheaper to build a trailer palapa and buy a trailer down there.

Thanks!

tiotomasbcs - 12-7-2010 at 07:45 PM

How much will do you think the Main house will cost?! You seem to be fishing from a distance, Come on down and plant a trailer on your property. Then check out the real costs! Not prices from 10 years ago. Just being realistic. Sorry. :? Tio

mcfez - 12-7-2010 at 08:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by halcyondays
My wife and I are getting a little discouraged by the apparent costs of building an extremely humble living space while we save to build our real house.

It seems even a small studio will run us about $40,000 and that seems very high considering we will never use it when we build the actual house.

Does anyone have experience having a trailer palapa with a small deck built in the Todos Santos area?




Thanks!


40 freaking what? That's out of mind dude! I advise you to do your home work on your area's labor and cost. You can do the hiring on your own, easy to follow Mex labor laws. Sounds like you have a so called contractor working this deal. Bla!

trailer palapa with a small deck...in San Felipe.....$8000 tops and thats being generous. I have properties in SF with improvements done. You really need to shop around and ask a million questions with :::your neighbors::: to get things done at the right cost and the right labor.



[Edited on 12-8-2010 by mcfez]

halcyondays - 12-7-2010 at 11:39 PM

Hey McFez.
Exactly my point.........I think it is outrageous.
I am shopping from afar.

Yes I will come down there.
But I have to have a place to stay when I am 'shopping around' and getting to know the drill.

I am a commercial fisherman.
I bought a boat-----with no experience----and took it out on the water to fish.
I am brave.....but I did my homework....and it has paid off.

In Baja I also need to just 'put the boat in the water' so to speak.

BUt without a trailer or a studio on my property I have to resort to a lot of BS to be there and manage the situation.

SO......I am trying to figure out.......trailer or build a small studio??.....what is the best way to GET THERE and then start working with the people there to figure out the rest?

I was told I could build a 40 sq meter garage/studio with a shower/bathroom for under 15.000 usd.....obviously wrong?

So now I am thinking a trailer and a palapa.

We will spend 3 months there in winter of 2011 and then 6 months a year there after we have a sufficient living space.............trailer or studio.
Basically we need a shower and bathroom with a sink outside.........kitchen can wait .

We are good with a barbeque for 6 months no worries.
Just need a sink outside to clean a couple of dishes and filet out the fish I catch.

Just looking for some advice.
Thanks man!

Hope that makes sense.

halcyondays - 12-7-2010 at 11:42 PM

Or...........in everyone's opinion.........should I just take the 200,000 equity line I have on my US house and throw it all down on red...........build the baja home?

We know we love it.
But is that throwing all eggs in one basket?
I sorta think so.

So I was thinking to get us there for a few months a year to get to know people and then go from there.
Slow and steady-------so it lasts our entire lives.

....

[Edited on 12-8-2010 by halcyondays]

[Edited on 12-8-2010 by halcyondays]

bajaguy - 12-8-2010 at 05:36 AM

Rent a place while you get things put together. Get to know people and the area, look around, stay flexible....remember, you are in Mexico now.

monoloco - 12-8-2010 at 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
How much will do you think the Main house will cost?! You seem to be fishing from a distance, Come on down and plant a trailer on your property. Then check out the real costs! Not prices from 10 years ago. Just being realistic. Sorry. :? Tio
Good advice. Before you get all discouraged, come on down, draw some plans and put them out for bid with qualified people. 40k sounds high to me, We just built an awesome house for around 100k including the land, septic, pila, solar system, fixtures, etc..

mcfez - 12-8-2010 at 07:45 AM

Well.....dont rip all your $200,000! Take a little money out from your home. Retain your home in case The Baja Dream becomes The Toilet Nightmare.....you'll have a place still to go back to and regroup. Rent the home out while chasing dreams. property management companies out there will handle it all for you.

Our first "house" was a tin box on wheels. I paid $800 bucks for this late 1950's oven on wheels :-) And it worked out just perfect. I secured it on our chosen Baja home site, built a bamboo fence around it so that my neighbors wouldn't have to look at the "white trailer trash" home for several years while I was having the house built. That trailer is still at our Campos....my Aussie buddy Burt BEGGED for it. You'll see it once in a while in Puertocitos.

Enclose is a early picture of our house being built. I designed a large one room with an interior bathroom. Good shower too! Air conditioner wall mounted, outdoor kitchen, good power, septic, and at the time a needed pila. Did it for LESS that $19000.00 plus cost of lease. Landscaping is intense now...I did that. Value of that is $15,000 but you can do it yourself as I did for cost ($3000.00) House was built by Salvador Jr

Ask questions
Compare bid prices and look at their work
Use good material, not cheap crapola
YOU yourself pay the Mexican worker(s) required fees
Be there during construction (a freakin must)




"...........I am a commercial fisherman".
I'm just a dummy with things at times. Are you sure that you can do this? Check your Mexican laws...they are a little tight against outsiders taking jobs away.





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DENNIS - 12-8-2010 at 08:19 AM

Can you imagine how cool a 200 thousand dollar motor home would be? Or, just 100 K.
Think ahead while you still hold the reins. Baja isn't for everybody.

mcfez - 12-8-2010 at 08:27 AM

And leases aint for everyone else too!

I'll take that motor home with the hot tub....

comitan - 12-8-2010 at 04:26 PM

I'm curious as to where you are going to launch a boat to fish in Todo Santos?

Skeet/Loreto - 12-8-2010 at 04:36 PM

Oh! all these People who make so many Mistatke.

Why is it that People go to Baja and think that they can Live and Act as they did in the States..??

What Dummies!!

First off Dummy learn some Spanish!

2nd Buy a Cheap Trailer, have a Palapa built and spend a Couple of years learning How to get along in Baja.

Then after careful consideration decide to build or not to build.


These "Blame Generation" youngsters are really Weak Minded. Think about the future, Plan and then Go for It if you have the Balls!!

halcyondays - 12-8-2010 at 04:52 PM

Just to clarify---I have NO intention of commercially fishing in Mexico.
I do that up in Oregon 5 months of the year.
It's a 18 hour, 7 day a week job, for that 5 months.

And it affords us time off to spend time in Baja.

Thanks for all the advice.
I realize we need to be there.
Just trying to get everyone's advice as to not be a 'dummy' about it.

Its starting to seem as though it may be smartest to build a garage and house our truck in it.
Then we can use the garage as living space when we are there.

Building can be years away.....we just want to have a vehicle, a roof, and a shower, while we get acclimated.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-8-2010 at 05:11 PM

Hey! Be Careful if yu are a commercial Fisherman! There are some real Nuts on this Board that will tell you that the "Sea of Cortez is Ruined" Don"t belive a word they say. They are as full of Bull Puckey as a Xmas Turkey"!!

You can get a Palapa built by some local Mesicanos fairly reasonable, just ask around. Then after aa couple of times down there you can decide if you want a Home.
Then check out the property and the Owner before buying./leasing.

Sure wish you were a Sturgeon Fisherman, I have to Pay $9.00 a Can for good Smoked Sturgeon from the Columbia River.

Good Luch

monoloco - 12-8-2010 at 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by comitan
I'm curious as to where you are going to launch a boat to fish in Todo Santos?
Hey, we launch boats at Los Cerritos, it's great fishing.

comitan - 12-8-2010 at 06:08 PM

You have a lot more Macho than I, someone over there maybe you awhile ago dumped their boat in the surf.

monoloco - 12-8-2010 at 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by comitan
You have a lot more Macho than I, someone over there maybe you awhile ago dumped their boat in the surf.
I have seen at least 10 people dump boats there over the years, usually operator error or mechanical failure, but most of the guys who have been around here for a while have it figured out.

Russ - 12-8-2010 at 06:42 PM

Here's a drawing That may give you some ideas

Palapa:Garage.jpg - 47kB

Ricardo - 12-8-2010 at 07:11 PM

I would suggest you rent for a couple months and maybe hire trades people from La Paz or local but compare prices. Be your own general contractor if possible. Hire a translator if necessary. unless someone here can recommend a honest general contractor.

Gaucho - 12-8-2010 at 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
Here's a drawing That may give you some ideas


Russ, what do you think it would cost you to build this where you are?

Russ - 12-8-2010 at 09:08 PM

I'll Guess that it would cost 8 to 12k for the ramada and 30 to 40k for the garage, bath, loft and septic. That would maybe be the guestment in Punta Chivato where prices are high.

mcfez - 12-8-2010 at 10:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by halcyondays
Just to clarify---I have NO intention of commercially fishing in Mexico.
I do that up in Oregon 5 months of the year.
It's a 18 hour, 7 day a week job, for that 5 months.

And it affords us time off to spend time in Baja.

Thanks for all the advice.
I realize we need to be there.
Just trying to get everyone's advice as to not be a 'dummy' about it.

Its starting to seem as though it may be smartest to build a garage and house our truck in it.
Then we can use the garage as living space when we are there.

Building can be years away.....we just want to have a vehicle, a roof, and a shower, while we get acclimated.


Just a cider block two car garage with a Banos inside then. A palapa is a waste of money...they require LOTS of maintenance every other year or so. I haven't seen one yet that held up to the conditions of Baja.

Everyone here really was trying to tell you...live Baja for a while before building .....

Cypress - 12-9-2010 at 05:53 AM

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Originally posted by mcfez[/i
Everyone here really was trying to tell you...live Baja for a while before building .....

:bounce:

Russ - 12-9-2010 at 07:15 AM

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Just a cider block two car garage with a Banos inside then. A palapa is a waste of money...they require LOTS of maintenance every other year or so. I haven't seen one yet that held up to the conditions of Baja.


I also agree with living here for awhile before buying or building.
The roofs that have had the most damage here have been those that do not have plywood sheeting under the roofing material. Home insurance I believe requires it. There have been just as many home/garage roofs as ramada roofs damaged during hurricanes. Much of the roof damage comes from flying debris so it is important that neighbors secure the stuff in their yards be for leaving for the summer. It has also become obvious that some contractors have short nailed the sub roofing and lamina. Also window & door frames have been pushed in because they weren't secured properly. There are a lot of things you'll become aware of when you spend time in the area you hope to call home. Another tip is to orientate you building to take advantage of the sun & seasonal wind direction. You'll have fun learning how we've adapted to our bad ideas or taken advantage of others good ideas.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-9-2010 at 08:28 AM

I somewhat diagree with the other Posters on the Palapa and its life Span.

I built Rancho Sonrisa over30 years ago and when I visited last year the guy I sold it too was just putting on new "Ojas"/ There was no Plywood used at all, only Thirteen Thousand "ojas" from the Arroyos in the Mountains above Loreto.

I also had the smaller Palapa Built with out any use of Metal. Everything was tied down by Rawhide which we got the Skins from Rancho Viego and made our RawHide Strips and tied them on all the Ojas/

It can be done but you will have to find some of the Ole Timers that know how to find, Cut, and install Ojas... May not be any of them around.
Also Rancho Sonrisa is still standing on the beach North of the la Pinta in Loreto. It is built out of Palm Posts.

When in Baja do as the Mexicanos do !
Skeet

durrelllrobert - 12-9-2010 at 09:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
I have NO intention of commercially fishing in Mexico.
I do that up in Oregon 5 months of the year.
It's a 18 hour, 7 day a week job, for that 5 months.

so, are you one the guys out of Coos Bay that comes down to Half Moon Bay before your season starts?

Gaucho - 12-9-2010 at 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Russ
Quote:

Just a cider block two car garage with a Banos inside then. A palapa is a waste of money...they require LOTS of maintenance every other year or so. I haven't seen one yet that held up to the conditions of Baja.


I also agree with living here for awhile before buying or building.
The roofs that have had the most damage here have been those that do not have plywood sheeting under the roofing material. Home insurance I believe requires it. There have been just as many home/garage roofs as ramada roofs damaged during hurricanes. Much of the roof damage comes from flying debris so it is important that neighbors secure the stuff in their yards be for leaving for the summer. It has also become obvious that some contractors have short nailed the sub roofing and lamina. Also window & door frames have been pushed in because they weren't secured properly. There are a lot of things you'll become aware of when you spend time in the area you hope to call home. Another tip is to orientate you building to take advantage of the sun & seasonal wind direction. You'll have fun learning how we've adapted to our bad ideas or taken advantage of others good ideas.


Russ, it seems like doing a flat, tridipanel (foam) and cement roof would be a good option don't you think? My reasoning is it would be virtually zero maintenance but you could also set up an open air living space up top with some sort of shade structure. Apart from the shade structure it seems like it would hold up well in bad weather too.

pacside - 12-9-2010 at 11:53 AM

We've done what you are contemplating. We love our place and use it frequently. That being said, the whole process isn't for the faint hearted.

However, my recommendation is to not take out 200k home equity line (especially if it is your only cash source) without first spending a good amount of time in the area.

There are many places you could negotiate an inexpensive monthly or 6 month lease. Then spend as much time getting to know the locals. Go to restaurants, taco stands, cafe's and start up conversations. People there love to talk about how they were able to build this or that for this much money. Many have very good contacts for local labor or contractors...BUT most of this info is gleaned by being down there and just meeting and talking to people.

If you have decided on a lot and want to build something. Do what most do and build a small bodega/garage type place that is sturdy where you would enjoy staying that has the minimum amenities. After spending time there you can then make an informed decision on how much dinero you want to spend on main casa if you still wanted to do that. You will also know more people and know what prices are fair and get good references.

Good luck and have fun.

pacside

monoloco - 12-9-2010 at 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I somewhat diagree with the other Posters on the Palapa and its life Span.

I built Rancho Sonrisa over30 years ago and when I visited last year the guy I sold it too was just putting on new "Ojas"/ There was no Plywood used at all, only Thirteen Thousand "ojas" from the Arroyos in the Mountains above Loreto.

I also had the smaller Palapa Built with out any use of Metal. Everything was tied down by Rawhide which we got the Skins from Rancho Viego and made our RawHide Strips and tied them on all the Ojas/

It can be done but you will have to find some of the Ole Timers that know how to find, Cut, and install Ojas... May not be any of them around.
Also Rancho Sonrisa is still standing on the beach North of the la Pinta in Loreto. It is built out of Palm Posts.

When in Baja do as the Mexicanos do !
Skeet
I agree Skeet, a palapa built in the traditional manner using only dry hojas, and tied, not nailed will last a very long time. Also make sure they use palo de arco to tie the leaves to, not carrizo, palo zorillo horcones, and palm for the vigas, and it's very important that all the materials are cut during the full moon.

oladulce - 12-9-2010 at 12:37 PM

I can see where halcyondays is coming from- they want to be able to use their property when they go down to visit. They aren't interested in renting a place etc because they already know they like their property and location.

I told him in a u2u some of the mistakes or things we'd do differently such as NOT getting an older, inexpensive trailer then building a palapa and 2 or 3 wind block/enclosure walls around making it difficult to remove later on. After a few years our old trailer parts started breaking and RV replacements were so expensive we wished we'd have just put up a couple more walls and built a small casita to start with at our old place.

A newer trailer would be a different story, but by the time they invest in a newer one and a palapa the cost is comparable to building a casita. $15-20k for a newish trailer, another $15k + for a palapa over it (a low-ball price of a palapa in our area) which is about how much we spent to build the 500 sf casita we're living in- granted this was without solar, water, and septic factored in. Transportation of materials adds about 30% to building costs here , so they say.

Like Russ' suggestion, I recommended they start with a solid garage for storage, septic, water storage, then a shower/toilet and cooking facilities. We were very comfortable for 13 yrs with this set up for our Baja vacations. They can do this a little at a time as budget allows.

We started with these same basics when we bought the new place 5 yrs ago and were still sleeping in our camper until just a few months ago. Hot water for showers, a toilet, some wind block and shade, and a little concrete pad or two to get you out of the dirt feels decadent, like luxury camping and is do-able for many years. As long as you have a BIG , secure garage you're off to a good start .

I like palapa for shade structures and over patios, but it's not for me for indoor living spaces and definitely not a garage. Since they won't be living fulltime on their property, they won't be there to spray (or hire someone to spray) for bugs every few months.

Foam block/concrete roofs (not foam panels) are the norm where we are for durability and insulation .

Skeet/Loreto - 12-9-2010 at 01:02 PM

You know Loco some people look at you like you are Crazy when you tell them the Hojas need to be cut during the Full Moon.

I put 27 Windows in the Palapa all had made on Site by an old Time Boat Builder. That was when the Shrimp Boats were made of all Wood.

We were right on the Beach so did not ever neeed Air Cond. Got alon fine with Fans, except at certain times of the year when the marine Bats decided to come visit and Hit the Fan blades and end up on top of us in the Bed!!
I though Virginia was going to leave Loreto the First time that happened.

If you can buld using the old time methods it is a lot of Fun and gives you connections with your Mexicanos.

Skeet

MitchMan - 12-9-2010 at 01:04 PM

It costs approx $20-$25 per sq ft for materials and another $15 to $25 per sq ft for direct labor depending on how much labor you do and what you pay for laborers and a good abanil to do all the work. If you pay a contractor to do the job, he will pocket everything you pay above the $40 -$50 per sq ft for the direct labor and materials. This amount you are paying the contractor above the $40-$50 is just for his management and supervision of the project. The contractor will be on site for only 10% - 20% of the time the structure is being built, if that. Either way (contractor or abanil), you should be there 100% of the time during construction.

I like the concept of a combined garage and living space. If I had it to do all over again, that is definitely what I would do. It's cheaper and gives the pleasure of open floor plan construction. Also, Mexican culture provides for living as much time as possible outside instead of spending alot of time inside your dwelling. It's how you take advantage of the wealther.

Just a tip, I would suggest 120 sq ft of living space per ton of air conditioning. Get A/C that also functions as a heater. I like mini-splits as they are much quieter than wall units.

[Edited on 12-9-2010 by MitchMan]

motoged - 12-9-2010 at 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
You know Loco some people look at you like you are Crazy when you tell them the Hojas need to be cut during the Full Moon.Skeet


Skeet,
Although tinged with a hippie temperament, I agree with you....when building log houses, putting in fences and gardens in the "old days", we paid attention to the moon's cycle when cutting, planting, and posting (fences) as the water content of soil, logs, and leaves is determined by the moon's cycle....

But you can call me crazy, too :biggrin:

monoloco - 12-9-2010 at 01:49 PM

I used to think that the full moon thing was just superstition, but having been around here and seeing the difference I am totally convinced that it makes a big difference in the bug resistance.

Gaucho - 12-9-2010 at 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by oladulce
I can see where halcyondays is coming from- they want to be able to use their property when they go down to visit. They aren't interested in renting a place etc because they already know they like their property and location.

I told him in a u2u some of the mistakes or things we'd do differently such as NOT getting an older, inexpensive trailer then building a palapa and 2 or 3 wind block/enclosure walls around making it difficult to remove later on. After a few years our old trailer parts started breaking and RV replacements were so expensive we wished we'd have just put up a couple more walls and built a small casita to start with at our old place.

A newer trailer would be a different story, but by the time they invest in a newer one and a palapa the cost is comparable to building a casita. $15-20k for a newish trailer, another $15k + for a palapa over it (a low-ball price of a palapa in our area) which is about how much we spent to build the 500 sf casita we're living in- granted this was without solar, water, and septic factored in. Transportation of materials adds about 30% to building costs here , so they say.

Like Russ' suggestion, I recommended they start with a solid garage for storage, septic, water storage, then a shower/toilet and cooking facilities. We were very comfortable for 13 yrs with this set up for our Baja vacations. They can do this a little at a time as budget allows.

We started with these same basics when we bought the new place 5 yrs ago and were still sleeping in our camper until just a few months ago. Hot water for showers, a toilet, some wind block and shade, and a little concrete pad or two to get you out of the dirt feels decadent, like luxury camping and is do-able for many years. As long as you have a BIG , secure garage you're off to a good start .

I like palapa for shade structures and over patios, but it's not for me for indoor living spaces and definitely not a garage. Since they won't be living fulltime on their property, they won't be there to spray (or hire someone to spray) for bugs every few months.

Foam block/concrete roofs (not foam panels) are the norm where we are for durability and insulation .


oladulce, what would you consider a BIG garage? I would want enough room to put a truck and a smaller boat (17-20') on a trailor. Are the foam blocks you're talking about diff. from the Tridipanels made in Mexicali?

Info from Cabo

thefishaholic - 12-9-2010 at 03:20 PM

Sent U an U2U.

Welcome to Baja!!!

longlegsinlapaz - 12-9-2010 at 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by oladulce
Foam block/concrete roofs (not foam panels) are the norm where we are for durability and insulation.

Quote:
Originally posted by Gaucho
Are the foam blocks you're talking about diff. from the Tridipanels made in Mexicali?

Gaucho, Oladulce can correct me if I misinterpreted....but I believe the roofing system she's referring to is like mine & can be viewed at: http://www.talkbaja.com/showthread.php?&t=447 Post #14 within the thread, dated 7-18-09.

Gaucho - 12-9-2010 at 05:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Quote:
Originally posted by oladulce
Foam block/concrete roofs (not foam panels) are the norm where we are for durability and insulation.

Quote:
Originally posted by Gaucho
Are the foam blocks you're talking about diff. from the Tridipanels made in Mexicali?

Gaucho, Oladulce can correct me if I misinterpreted....but I believe the roofing system she's referring to is like mine & can be viewed at: http://www.talkbaja.com/showthread.php?&t=447 Post #14 within the thread, dated 7-18-09.


Thanks Legs. I remember following your construction on Ron's site. I think they use more of the panel construction where my property is at. I believe the tridipanel is more expensive. I'll have to research the foam blocks a little more.

mcfez - 12-9-2010 at 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
You know Loco some people look at you like you are Crazy when you tell them the Hojas need to be cut during the Full Moon.

I put 27 Windows in the Palapa all had made on Site by an old Time Boat Builder. That was when the Shrimp Boats were made of all Wood.

We were right on the Beach so did not ever neeed Air Cond. Got alon fine with Fans, except at certain times of the year when the marine Bats decided to come visit and Hit the Fan blades and end up on top of us in the Bed!!
I though Virginia was going to leave Loreto the First time that happened.

If you can buld using the old time methods it is a lot of Fun and gives you connections with your Mexicanos.

Skeet


Skeet.....
A most useful and interesting posts you have made here. I being a nerd at reading about alternative building and "weird" building applications.......I'm going to research these old timers ways of doing things. You made a dent in my thinking ways on construction. Thanks! WLUK in a month of what I came up with.

By the way...how you feeling after the op? Miss that big German nurse with the hairy armpits?

mcfez - 12-9-2010 at 05:58 PM

halcyondays wanted a simple inexpensive joint to kick in a few times ...not a fancy dancy house! No need for all that Styrofoam tech....unless you plan to live there full time...otherwise a simple 18000 btu ac from Home Depot will keep penguins happy!

Gaucho - 12-9-2010 at 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
halcyondays wanted a simple inexpensive joint to kick in a few times ...not a fancy dancy house! No need for all that Styrofoam tech....unless you plan to live there full time...otherwise a simple 18000 btu ac from Home Depot will keep penguins happy!


A/C I wish! I'm off the grid.

mcfez - 12-9-2010 at 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Gaucho
Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
halcyondays wanted a simple inexpensive joint to kick in a few times ...not a fancy dancy house! No need for all that Styrofoam tech....unless you plan to live there full time...otherwise a simple 18000 btu ac from Home Depot will keep penguins happy!


A/C I wish! I'm off the grid.


Point taken!!!!!!!! Need me to send down some blocks of Ice?:lol:

longlegsinlapaz - 12-9-2010 at 08:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
halcyondays wanted a simple inexpensive joint to kick in a few times ...not a fancy dancy house! No need for all that Styrofoam tech....unless you plan to live there full time...otherwise a simple 18000 btu ac from Home Depot will keep penguins happy!

If that comment was directed at me, I only provided the URL to show Gaucho the type of cement & foam roofing system Oladulce was talking about....that's the typical roofing system used down here for large & small structures. I do live here full time & with my having gone with the foam walls as well, I don't need no stinkin A/C! This type of roof would undoubtedly be appreciable quicker & less expensive to build than palapa material, it's a lot cleaner since it doesn't attract scorpions & other bugs, it's less susceptible to break-ins, fireproof & requires a lot less maintenance.

As Skeet has pointed out, getting a palapa done right requires a maestro with years of experience & it'll last a long time....but it's definitely not cheap to have done! Nor are they maintenance-free. I love the appearance, but wouldn't want to live under a palapa!

mcfez - 12-9-2010 at 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
halcyondays wanted a simple inexpensive joint to kick in a few times ...not a fancy dancy house! No need for all that Styrofoam tech....unless you plan to live there full time...otherwise a simple 18000 btu ac from Home Depot will keep penguins happy!

If that comment was directed at me, I only provided the URL to show Gaucho the type of cement & foam roofing system Oladulce was talking about....that's the typical roofing system used down here for large & small structures. I do live here full time & with my having gone with the foam walls as well, I don't need no stinkin A/C! This type of roof would undoubtedly be appreciable quicker & less expensive to build than palapa material, it's a lot cleaner since it doesn't attract scorpions & other bugs, it's less susceptible to break-ins, fireproof & requires a lot less maintenance.

As Skeet has pointed out, getting a palapa done right requires a maestro with years of experience & it'll last a long time....but it's definitely not cheap to have done! Nor are they maintenance-free. I love the appearance, but wouldn't want to live under a palapa!


No cross hairs was aimed at you. My comment was said with innocence.

"I don't need no stinkin A/C!" ...you dont like visiting penguins? :o

monoloco - 12-9-2010 at 08:48 PM

A common construction technique is to lay foam blocks called casaton to form a reinforced grid of concrete and rebar. It's a very good way to build a strong and insulated roof.

DENNIS - 12-9-2010 at 09:38 PM

Rats like to make homes in the fronds of Palapas. Don't know why....they just do.

oladulce - 12-9-2010 at 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by Gaucho

oladulce, what would you consider a BIG garage?

Gaucho,
a big enough garage is always going to be a little bit bigger than the one you just built, isn't it ?


Here's a couple of constuction pics of the foam blocks (casetón) that Longlegs and I were talking about.
Rebar framework on casita roof


Garage Ceiling with foam installed, before plastering. Foam blocks are stacked on the ground


This type of construction is conducive to adding on to later, which is what Halcyondays mentioned in a u2u would be their plans.

I'm certainly not anti-trailer and palapa (I'm sitting in our trailer as I write this while we're up in CA) but warn that it's easy to get excited about your little slice of heaven and over time add improvements to your palapa- fire pits, showers and bathrooms, decks and porches and next thing you know you look at what you've invested and realize you could have built a little casita for the same cost, and you still don't have a garage for storage. ;D