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LORETO SURFEIT FOR UNFAIR COMPETITION IN THE FOREIGN

camador - 12-8-2010 at 11:37 AM

Loreto, BCS .- The condition of crisis that exists in Loreto, it is reflected in several aspects. Without missing the greed of foreigners who live here, under uncertain circumstances and legally dubious. Given this Loreto citizenship begins to get mad and ask to begin with the intervention of the authorities to this situation begins to be solved in background .

http://www.radarpolitico.com/2010/12/08/hartazgo-en-loreto-por-competencia-desleal-de-los-extranjeros/

sanquintinsince73 - 12-8-2010 at 11:41 AM

I have to respond in Spanish.

De que es lo que se queja la ciudadania de La Paz? El extranjero vive y convive con la gente de La Paz pacificamente. No entiendo que es la queja.

JESSE - 12-8-2010 at 12:28 PM

It appears someone is making a big fuzz about an american lady offering american notary services in Loreto.

Seems like someone is trying to hurt her by posting this crap.

DENNIS - 12-8-2010 at 12:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by camador
Without missing the greed of foreigners who live here, under uncertain circumstances and legally dubious. Given this Loreto citizenship begins to get mad and ask to begin with the intervention of the authorities to this situation begins to be solved in background .



Is your post a Google translation? Not many people talk like that.

That said, I haven't read your link as yet, but I will right after I prepare myself with a couple of slammers.

Greed of foreigners? What is that supposed to mean? Does it mean you arn't getting your fair share of their net worth?

Living there under uncertain circumstances? What's it to you why they live there? I'm sure that's not your business unless, of course, you think you're in charge of making their decisions.

Dubious legality? Why don't you let the authorities do their job. That will give you more free time to polish your unbridled racism.

Now I'll read whatever crap is in your link. I'll probably be back.

sanquintinsince73 - 12-8-2010 at 12:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by camador
Without missing the greed of foreigners who live here, under uncertain circumstances and legally dubious. Given this Loreto citizenship begins to get mad and ask to begin with the intervention of the authorities to this situation begins to be solved in background .



Is your post a Google translation? Not many people talk like that.

That said, I haven't read your link as yet, but I will right after I prepare myself with a couple of slammers.

Greed of foreigners? What is that supposed to mean? Does it mean you arn't getting your fair share of their net worth?

Living there under uncertain circumstances? What's it to you why they live there? I'm sure that's not your business unless, of course, you think you're in charge of making their decisions.

Dubious legality? Why don't you let the authorities do their job. That will give you more free time to polish your unbridled racism.

Now I'll read whatever crap is in your link. I'll probably be back.

Turn to, go get 'em Dennis!!!!! OOORAAAHHHH

DENNIS - 12-8-2010 at 12:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
It appears someone is making a big fuzz about an american lady offering american notary services in Loreto.



Shame on her..........for being so open about it.

BajaGringo - 12-8-2010 at 01:46 PM

Technically, if she doesn't have a visa lucrativa then she cannot perform or advertise to work for cash.

However if you read the link at the very bottom the author, who is outraged at the woman offering the service via a local yahoo community group, includes a post from that woman where she offers her notary services in exchange for 100 pesos to be donated to a local school.

Not the best example to make a case if you ask me...

Skeet/Loreto - 12-8-2010 at 01:59 PM

Sue Kirkman is tryin to do a service for some Americanos living in Loreto with the very small Fee going to the Internado at the Colonial.
Someone has their Panties in a Bunch for this??

I would suggest they spend their time taking Food to the Internado!

Skeet

BajaGringo - 12-8-2010 at 02:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Sue Kirkman is tryin to do a service for some Americanos living in Loreto with the very small Fee going to the Internado at the Colonial.
Someone has their Panties in a Bunch for this??

I would suggest they spend their time taking Food to the Internado!

Skeet


My point exactly Skeet...

Wow !

djh - 12-8-2010 at 02:08 PM

This time, i am in FULL agreement with Skeet !

:o

" Someone has their Panties in a Bunch for this?? I would suggest they spend their time taking Food to the Internado!"

DianaT - 12-8-2010 at 02:22 PM

Agree with BajaGringo and Skeet----besides, how can she be in competition with any locals when she is doing a service they cannot do?

There may be more to the story----one never knows, and while there may be good examples for this theme, I agree with Ron, this is not a good example.

Not to hijack, but it was mentioned that she technically needed visa lucrativa and I am curious if anyone knows the law---never easy to understand. If someone offers a service and in return asks for a donation to be made directly to a local cause in an amount of the donors choice, does that require the special visa?

bajalou - 12-8-2010 at 02:38 PM

If she is a Notary in the USA, how can she perform these services legally in Mexico? Every notary I have ever used is only licensed to notarize documents in that county or state.

I thought the only legal ones in Mexico are in the consulates.

vandenberg - 12-8-2010 at 02:42 PM

No matter what, you cannot perform notary duties out of you jurisdiction, in this case Washington Sate. She could get that privilege revoked if they get wind of it.
Not that this means much. About anyone can get a notary license. My wife, as a broker, had a license for years, and her notary register has never been looked at, as far as I know.
It's nothing like being a notary in Mexico or, for that matter, many other countries.

Lou, posts crossed and you're correct.

[Edited on 12-8-2010 by vandenberg]

flyfishinPam - 12-8-2010 at 02:46 PM

I was curious regarding bajalou's post and found this:

"CAN A NOTARY PUBLIC FROM THE UNITED STATES PERFORM THAT FUNCTION ABROAD? No. The commission of a notary public is limited to the jurisdiction within the particular state in the U.S. for which the commission was issued. For additional information about notaries in the United States contact the National Notary Association, a Non-Profit Educational Organization, 8236 Remmet Avenue, P.O. Box 7184, Canoga Park, CA 91304-7184, tel: 818-713-4000. "

source: http://travel.state.gov/law/judicial/judicial_2086.html

shari - 12-8-2010 at 03:04 PM

One is not allowed to work in mexico without the proper work visa of which there are a variety. You cannot even volunteer or "help" other people without a special permit...even if you arent making any money...I once nearly got deported for helping out some folks promote their business who didnt speak english ...and immigration cited some stuff I had written on the internet as evidence...so do be careful...(it was their competition who complained to the authorities).

I am sure the other notaries in the area do not appreciate the illegal competition....no matter how nice the woman is or how much she donates.
maybe she has the right permit??? It seems fine to help others until someone complains, then you can get into some hot water.

CaboRon - 12-8-2010 at 03:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajalou
If she is a Notary in the USA, how can she perform these services legally in Mexico? Every notary I have ever used is only licensed to notarize documents in that county or state.

I thought the only legal ones in Mexico are in the consulates.


You are right .

DENNIS - 12-8-2010 at 03:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
One is not allowed to work in mexico without the proper work visa of which there are a variety.


Is this work? No way.




Quote:
I am sure the other notaries in the area do not appreciate the illegal competition....no matter how nice the woman is or how much she donates.


It's a completely different process. Local notary's don't do what she's doing. She's offering verification of signatures for US documents. Mexican notary's can't do that.

Gawwwwdammmmm...give the lady a break. Do you know what a pain the butt it is to have to travel stateside to have a document notarized?
I know she's not supposed to be doing this from US regulations, but when these kind souls appear from time to time, they are greatly appreciated.

Bajahowodd - 12-8-2010 at 03:37 PM

None the less, it would appear that by doing so, she is technically violating the law of two countries. Cannot disagree with above posted sentiments that no one is being hurt, and people are being helped. But, I can't avoid the thought that everyone has their own threshold of right and wrong.

[Edited on 12-8-2010 by Bajahowodd]

DENNIS - 12-8-2010 at 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
None the less, it would appear that by doing so, she is technically violating the law of two countries. Cannot disagree with above posted sentiments that no one is being hurt, and people are being helped. But, I can't avoid the thought that everyone has their own threshold of right and wrong.

[Edited on 12-8-2010 by Bajahowodd]



BS....Apply this degree of nit-picking north of the border and La Raza would even want a fence.

Gawwwdammm....stop it.

shari - 12-8-2010 at 03:55 PM

you have a point dennis about the service she gives...no mexican can do it...i think they were just using her as an example and as others mentioned, it isnt a very good example...the article also mentions the many gringos who rent out their houses and take people fishing and charge for it and dont declare the income or have any of the many permisos....I know this is a delicate issue with many mexicanos.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-8-2010 at 04:04 PM

Sue if you need any Help go up to the Plaza and go upstairs and ask for Erasirma she is an assistance to the presidente of Loreto. She speaks good English. Tell her Skeet /Mosco directed you to her. She will give you the Straight Skinny and will direct you if necessary.

Just let all the Americanos know that you will do this Service, do not Advertise!! and then whe you do it make sure who you are doing it for.
Nowdays there are so many Lyars, Cheaters, and Thieves it is difficult to get things done anywhere.

Doing a Service outside of the States may be aganist the Rules and Regulations but is not a Criminal Offense so all the Bull Puckey about "Breaking the law' is just so much Bull Puckey.

Good Lich and thanks for your Help with the Internado, There are some real good People running that Group. Years ago they were not sup[pose to accept Sacks of Potatoes and onions and stuff, but we got around it for years.

Keep up the Good Work.

Skeet/ex Loretano and missing it!

DENNIS - 12-8-2010 at 04:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
...the article also mentions the many gringos who rent out their houses and take people fishing and charge for it and dont declare the income or have any of the many permisos....I know this is a delicate issue with many mexicanos.


How many Mexicans pay taxes on the rental of their single asset, their house?
Shall I say "none" or would you like to say it?
Property owners who run this as a business with multiple assets should pay.
A single house? That isn't running a business. It's just hoping the house will pay for itself.

Sport fishing for profit is a different thing all together. That's definitly running a business. Those people should be legalized.

DENNIS - 12-8-2010 at 04:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
do not Advertise!!



I would imagine that she's already fried herself. Someone will drop the dime on her after all this notariety.
Too bad. All she wanted to do was good.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-8-2010 at 04:24 PM

I personally have not had much respect for those Americans that come down or live in Loreto and charge their friends or guests for Fishing.

I and several other of the Ole Timers would alweays take our mesicano Friend along and pay him $50 dollars for the day and give him any extra Fish.

But now days the new Folks to Loreto are just like the new Folks of the Staes, They make up a part of the Culturals that does not have any "MORALS", they do not think about taking a small sum of money causes some mesicano Pangeros problems.

Would it not be Great if we could go back to the "Great Generations ways of Honesty and a handsake' and your Word meant somethiong.


Oh! the good Old Days

DENNIS - 12-8-2010 at 04:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
they do not think about taking a small sum of money causes some mesicano Pangeros problems.




Awww, what the hey....they just think they're doing a job a Mexican wouldn't do. :lol::lol::lol:

Funny how the same issue changes from one side of the border to the other.
Oh well....whatever's convenient.

camador - 12-8-2010 at 04:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
do not Advertise!!



I would imagine that she's already fried herself. Someone will drop the dime on her after all this notariety.
Too bad. All she wanted to do was good.


I don't doubt that she wanted to do a good action, she just did it wrong way.

And yes, almost every mexican who rents a house doesn't pay taxes, but that doesn't mean they are right, they should pay too.

camador - 12-8-2010 at 04:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I have to respond in Spanish.

De que es lo que se queja la ciudadania de La Paz? El extranjero vive y convive con la gente de La Paz pacificamente. No entiendo que es la queja.


Simple, de todo ingreso obtenido por cualquier actividad se deben pagar impuestos, en caso de querer hacer caridad, simple, se forma una organización sin fines de lucro y se hacen las cosas de la manera correcta. Ahora, el hecho de que muchos extranjeros usen sus casas como rentas vacacionales es competencia desleal para los hoteles directamente.

sanquintinsince73 - 12-8-2010 at 04:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by camador
Quote:
Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I have to respond in Spanish.

De que es lo que se queja la ciudadania de La Paz? El extranjero vive y convive con la gente de La Paz pacificamente. No entiendo que es la queja.


Simple, de todo ingreso obtenido por cualquier actividad se deben pagar impuestos, en caso de querer hacer caridad, simple, se forma una organización sin fines de lucro y se hacen las cosas de la manera correcta. Ahora, el hecho de que muchos extranjeros usen sus casas como rentas vacacionales es competencia desleal para los hoteles directamente.

Tienes rason. Pero no entiendo porque en vez de llamarle la attencion a esta mujer, la subes al internet? Al parecer usted tiene algun problema con extranjeros haciendo negocio o' caridad en su pais.

DENNIS - 12-8-2010 at 04:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by camador
And yes, almost every mexican who rents a house doesn't pay taxes, but that doesn't mean they are right, they should pay too.


Really.........and how about those immoral Garage Sales and Swap Meets?
Girl Scout cookies?
The guy that cleans your windshield while you buy grocerys at the market?

Everybody should share their pittance of income with a government that couldn't care less if they die in a dumpster while looking for dinner.

Gawwwwd...I hate liberals.

sanquintinsince73 - 12-8-2010 at 04:58 PM

Disculpa mi Español......

Comador, a mi me parece que tienes algun rencor encontra Americanos. Tambien vas contra los policias que cobran mordida y no pagan impuestos en el dineral que roban?

camador - 12-8-2010 at 05:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Quote:
Originally posted by camador
Quote:
Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I have to respond in Spanish.

De que es lo que se queja la ciudadania de La Paz? El extranjero vive y convive con la gente de La Paz pacificamente. No entiendo que es la queja.


Simple, de todo ingreso obtenido por cualquier actividad se deben pagar impuestos, en caso de querer hacer caridad, simple, se forma una organización sin fines de lucro y se hacen las cosas de la manera correcta. Ahora, el hecho de que muchos extranjeros usen sus casas como rentas vacacionales es competencia desleal para los hoteles directamente.

Tienes rason. Pero no entiendo porque en vez de llamarle la attencion a esta mujer, la subes al internet? Al parecer usted tiene algun problema con extranjeros haciendo negocio o' caridad en su pais.


No, no tengo ningún problema, por el contrario, de lo que estoy en contra es de que las cosas no se hagan bien, tengo amigos extranjeros que también hacen caridad, pero crean una asociación y de esa manera pueden hacer mas por quienes pretenden ayudar.

Yo no publique la noticia, de hecho es una carta que llegó a la redacción de un sitio de noticias de Loreto.

camador - 12-8-2010 at 05:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Disculpa mi Español......

Comador, a mi me parece que tienes algun rencor encontra Americanos. Tambien vas contra los policias que cobran mordida y no pagan impuestos en el dineral que roban?


De hecho, los he denunciado en varias ocasiones.

Desafortunadamente en México el problema no es el pago de impuestos, si no el mal uso que se hace de estos, pero esa es otra historia.

DianaT - 12-8-2010 at 05:10 PM

Where we REALLY drew the line was when we were camped in Loreto a few years ago and some Canadians in an expensive motorhome wanted to SELL us some of the fish they were catching---she said it was to help pay for their trip. No thank you!

We would never charge anyone who stays in our guest house whether we are there or not---we figure once you start charging, you can't be as picky. We only share our place with people we like. :-)

[Edited on 12-9-2010 by DianaT]

camador - 12-8-2010 at 05:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by camador
And yes, almost every mexican who rents a house doesn't pay taxes, but that doesn't mean they are right, they should pay too.


Really.........and how about those immoral Garage Sales and Swap Meets?
Girl Scout cookies?
The guy that cleans your windshield while you buy grocerys at the market?

Everybody should share their pittance of income with a government that couldn't care less if they die in a dumpster while looking for dinner.

Gawwwwd...I hate liberals.


I'm totally agree, the big problem here in Mexico is that goverment charges taxes to the same always, other problem is the corruption and how those taxes are being used.

DENNIS - 12-8-2010 at 05:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
Where we REALLY drew the line was when we were camped in Loreto a few years ago and some Canadians in an expensive motorhome wanted to SELL us some of the fish they were catching---she said it was to help pay for their trip. No thank you!




"So.....you would like to rent this wonderful Motorhome"

"Yes. Me and the little woman would like to drive around town in style and enjoy life."

"And, you only want it for three days?"

"Oh, yes, that will be sufficient. We're old, you know and we have to get back to the home."

"Wonderful. Here's the keys...the tank is full and we'll see you kids in a few days."
-----



"Hey byitch...which way is Mexico?"


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[Edited on 12-9-2010 by DENNIS]

DianaT - 12-8-2010 at 05:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
Where we REALLY drew the line was when we were camped in Loreto a few years ago and some Canadians in an expensive motorhome wanted to SELL us some of the fish they were catching---she said it was to help pay for their trip. No thank you!




"So.....you would like to rent this wonderful Motorhome"

"Yes. Me and the little woman would like to drive around town in style and enjoy life."

"And, you only want it for three days?"

"Oh, yes, that will be sufficient. We're old, you know and we have to get back to the home."

"Wonderful. Here's the keys...the tank is full and we'll see you kids in a few days."
-----



"Hey byitch...which way is Mexico?"


.

[Edited on 12-9-2010 by DENNIS]


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

BTW---I bet that if someone in Loreto looks very carefully, they will now find a burned notary register and smashed stamp with the name scratched off. A name change is soon to follow.