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open pit goldmine

toroteman - 12-17-2010 at 02:55 PM

I heard that Paredones amarillos has changed their name and trying to push through their mining venture in the Sierra de la laguna biosphere. Has anyone got any news about this?
gracias

El Jefe - 12-17-2010 at 03:35 PM

Here is the email going around. Might be a little over-stated.
I have to wonder what the real science is on this subject.

Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:49 PM
Subject: Update from the the Mine experts...this is SEROUS!!
To: MLS members <intramls@flexmail.flexmls.co
I attended the meeting today that discussed the proposed mine in
Sierra de La Laguna biosphere reserve. This mine proposal is
closer to an approval than the public is aware. I also do not
believe that anyone is aware of just how detrimental this will be
to our community. Here are a few facts taken from the meeting:

-50-80 tons of explosives will be used EVERY DAY. = dust in the
air, spreading dangerous chemicals over the 200 km radius of the
site which includes all of Los Cabos. (Cabo San Lucas is 80 kms
away from the proposed site). The dangerous chemicals include
the following: Cyanide, Arsenic, Heavy Metals and Radioactive
Molecules. So we start with the air we breathe (and our animals,
livestock and plants.)
-The explosives will also cause tremors which will mimic
earthquakes on a regular basis. Think that might scare a few
tourists away?
-The explosives will also cause dust clouds that will effect our
weather. Not so many sunny days around here.
-The treatments and chemicals used (listed above) will flow
downhill, as the site is approx. 200 meters above sea level. It
will contaminate every aquifer/water table, well, and in turn
eventually trickle into all of our bays, including Cabo san Lucas
Bay.
-These heavy metals, arsenic, cyanide and radioactive molecules
will be present in our drinking water and air. Marine life will
also be effected and shore fishing will become fishing for
poisoned food.
-The organic community of Todos Santos where most of our organic
food comes from will IMMEDIATELY lose it's organic certification,
the food will become poisonous and all these farms will be shut
down. This will result in up to 10,000 jobs lost. In turn these
people who were making a clean healthy living will have to turn
to the mine, and work with poisonous chemicals and in dangerous
conditions instead. What an alternative!!
-The cases of cancer in this area will increase 50-fold. Yes, 50x
more cases of cancer!! As well as cardiovascular disease, birth
defects, liver and kidney failure etc.
-Tourism will decrease
-Property values will decrease
-OUR OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE WILL DECREASE!

In truth, they might as well start nuclear testing in the area at
the same time, the effects here are going to be the same. That
is not a joke.

What will be our alternative for food, air and water if
everything in our area is polluted with strong poisons. We will
all be effected by this if it is approved of. Don't wake up once
the damage is done and it is too late!! This is the most
important issue facing us in all of Los Cabos' history. Pass
this message on to everyone, we need to band together as a
community and make our voices heard. Everyone is asleep at the
moment and the powers (that are the only ones that stand to gain)
are making moves to get this mine approved and NOBODY even knows
about it. This is serious people and there is no reversing this
if it happens.

wessongroup - 12-17-2010 at 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toroteman
I heard that Paredones amarillos has changed their name and trying to push through their mining venture in the Sierra de la laguna biosphere. Has anyone got any news about this?
gracias

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=44413&pag...

[Edited on 12-19-2010 by wessongroup]

Concordia mine

john68 - 12-18-2010 at 02:50 PM

Vista Gold, the operator of the proposed Concordia mine, has a world-wide reputation as a first-class company. Vista has mines in Australia, Idaho, California and elsewhere. None of these mines has a history of environmental problems.

The mine will employ about 200 locals and the local economy badly needs these jobs. Vista has brought broadband internet to El Triunfo and San Antonio to enable it to communicate with its employees who live there; the broadband is available to all the residents at no cost.

Vista's environmental and water studies indicate that the mine can be operated responsibly, with no harm to the environment.

The local Mexican community overwhelmingly supports this mine. I hope the gringo community will consider the mine carefully and give it a fair hearing.

David K - 12-18-2010 at 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by john68
Vista Gold, the operator of the proposed Concordia mine, has a world-wide reputation as a first-class company. Vista has mines in Australia, Idaho, California and elsewhere. None of these mines has a history of environmental problems.

The mine will employ about 200 locals and the local economy badly needs these jobs. Vista has brought broadband internet to El Triunfo and San Antonio to enable it to communicate with its employees who live there; the broadband is available to all the residents at no cost.

Vista's environmental and water studies indicate that the mine can be operated responsibly, with no harm to the environment.

The local Mexican community overwhelmingly supports this mine. I hope the gringo community will consider the mine carefully and give it a fair hearing.

Awesome to hear, thanks John!

Déjà vu

wessongroup - 12-18-2010 at 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Awesome to hear, thanks John!

Is this Déjà vu... we just went through this whole thing this year earlier... for three pages...

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=44413&pag...

monoloco - 12-18-2010 at 05:06 PM

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Is anyone surprised that Vista's studies show that it can be operated responsibly? I would question what happens to their open leach pits when that basin gets 16-20 inches of rain like they did during hurricane Juliette. The area in question has more surface water than any other spot in southern Baja and charges the aquifer for a large population.

john68 - 12-18-2010 at 05:36 PM

It's my understanding that the aquifier underlying the Concordia mine is not the same as that supplying water for Todos Santos. I can't speak for the aquifier for Pescadero, but it should be fairly easy to determine.

BajaBruno - 12-18-2010 at 06:20 PM

As Jesse reported in February, apparently the mine permit was denied. But, I did a LexisNexis legal search and did not find a single California lawsuit against Vista Gold.

wessongroup - 12-18-2010 at 06:28 PM

February 19, 2010
Vista Gold announced the receipt of notice from the Mexican Secretariat of Environment and Natural Resources has dismissed, on administrative grounds, the application for the Change of Forest Land Use Permit for the Paredones Amarillos gold project in Baja California Sur, Mexico.

July 19, 2010
Vista Gold announced an update on the Paredones Amarillos gold project, Baja California Sur, Mexico. The update discusses the status of the Change of Forest Land Use permit application, technical programs in progress, and a general overview of the development of the project.

September 7, 2010, Vista Gold announced that it has changed the name of its wholly-owned Paredones Amarillos gold project in Baja California Sur, Mexico to the Concordia gold project.

Thus far, all that has happened, the permit was denied denial was based on:

• SEMARNAT’s refusal to recognize the validity of the Temporary Occupation Permits granted to MPA by the Mexican General Direction of Mines, which are a pre-requisite to filing for a CUSF, on the basis that the project is located in an environmentally protected area over which the Mexican General Direction of
Mines does not have jurisdiction;

• The National Commission for Biodiversity objects to the project on environmental grounds; and

• MPA’s failure to obtain an official communication from the Mexican Natural Protected Areas Commission (“CONANP”) acknowledging CONANP’s conformity with MPA’s application for the CUSF.

The entity making application, Minera Paredones Amarillos S.A. de C.V. ("MPA")
on July 19 2010 made available "The update discusses the status of the Change of Forest Land Use ("CUSF") permit application, technical programs in progress, and a general overview of the development of the Project. The entity has hired new consultants and legal representation for the new submission of the application for the permit. And is addressing shortcomings in the previous environmental investigation into the gold mining operation...

9/7/2010 Vista Gold announces a name change from Paredones Amarillos gold
project to the Concordia gold project

http://www.infomine.com/index/properties/PAREDONES_AMARILLOS...

monoloco - 12-19-2010 at 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by john68
It's my understanding that the aquifier underlying the Concordia mine is not the same as that supplying water for Todos Santos. I can't speak for the aquifier for Pescadero, but it should be fairly easy to determine.

I don't know if it charges the aquifer for Todos Santos either, but with all the surface water in that area I guarantee that it's charging someones aquifer. The water in San Antonio and El Triumfo is already heavily polluted from previous mining operations, it's hard to see how a new mine won't add to the problem.

john68 - 12-19-2010 at 05:16 PM

It's my understanding that water in El Triunfo and San Antonio was polluted by French mining operations 90 years ago. Vista shouldn't be tarred with the same brush. Technology and standards of conduct have changed and Vista has a history of responsible conduct.

The Concordia mine should be judged on its merits and on the positive effects it will have on Mexican employment, not on innuendo and the actions of other irresponsible parties.

BFS - 12-19-2010 at 06:23 PM

Employment is only positive and a merit if it adds to the quality of life of those employed and their families. It is not beneficial in any way however, if their employment leads to the decimation of natural resources, a blight on the landscape, contamination and a degrading of an enviable quality of life.
For the record the local Mexican community in my neighborhood of Todos Santos is overwhelmingly against the mine.
And I sincerely hope that the community, gringo or otherwise, fights tooth and nail to stop it.

wessongroup - 12-19-2010 at 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by n
It's my understanding that water in El Triunfo and San Antonio was polluted by French mining operations 90 years ago. Vista shouldn't be tarred with the same brush. Technology and standards of conduct have changed and Vista has a history of responsible conduct.

The Concordia mine should be judged on its merits and on the positive effects it will have on Mexican employment, not on innuendo and the actions of other irresponsible parties.

Thats fine... then establish base line levels on all contaminates.. Which are "left over from previous operations"... then after mining for "gold"... restore and/or maintain those levels, going forward at baseline. And one would have expected in the previous submitted report ... that disclosure of "historical" pollution would have been fully investigated and documented.

As for Vista being "tarred".. They know the rules.. or should.. and the rejection of their permit to operate were based on the previous reports overall deficiencies... along issuance of an improper permit by another agency, which was also ruled on in the denial process on the first permit application ....

Vista Gold has every right to mine gold in Mexico, IF they comply with all applicable environmental and health requirements for the proposed operations... which can impact the Mexican people and their natural resources in a negative manner

Thus far all has not been based on innuendo, rather on a report which was submitted .... as for other irresponsible parties.. not sure, is this referring to the French.... if so, would imagine the French would like to be made aware of any potential liability they may have on any previous "mining" operations in the area...

[Edited on 12-20-2010 by wessongroup]

mulegemichael - 12-19-2010 at 07:30 PM

...there were sooooo many people that lost their lives as a result of el triunfos mine/smelter in the past...too bad we have to open that sore again...talk to the folks there and you'll know the pain; all of them have lost relatives in the past connected to the mining operations...just because that damn chimney was so tall doesn't mean it saved the town. ....it would be terrible if they started that whole operation up again...the locals WILL NOT benefit from it!

Chicken or the egg???

David K - 12-19-2010 at 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
...there were sooooo many people that lost their lives as a result of el triunfos mine/smelter in the past...too bad we have to open that sore again...talk to the folks there and you'll know the pain; all of them have lost relatives in the past connected to the mining operations...just because that damn chimney was so tall doesn't mean it saved the town. ....it would be terrible if they started that whole operation up again...the locals WILL NOT benefit from it!

Sadly people do die working, everyday... a fact of life... heck some people die in their sleep! Jobs do feed families and grow the economy, so people will chose jobs over doing nothing if they need an income.

What came first, the El Triunfo silver mines or the town of El Triunfo that grew from them???

The mines are the original reason for establishing the population centers up there. No mine, no people.

When the silver became less profitable, the mines closed... most people left... some stayed... If others later move there, it is by choice knowing it was a mine area... right?

Now, with modern technology, gold may be extracted from this region... an old mining region... What is the problem?

I would think there would be some joy that the technology exists to better extract the metal (that people want) and be FAR kinder to the enviroment COMPARED to 1740-1910 mining!?

You can hug a tree all day and it wont's give you an ounce of gold or silver, afterall! :light:

Geo_Skip - 12-20-2010 at 02:43 AM

David K,

You can hug a gold or silver bar all day and it wont give you an ounce of breathable air or drinkable water, afterall!

monoloco - 12-20-2010 at 07:59 AM

Yes DK, the technology exists to more efficiently extract, 200 people can now do as much damage to the environment as took 20000 in the 19th century.

David K - 12-20-2010 at 08:16 AM

I am just trying to put some logic to the emotional hysteria always put forward by some.

If people don't want gold or silver, then there would be no market for it and no mines. I guess people do want it?

A mine involves digging, so how do you propose getting to the ore?

Do you have a reason to not trust this Canadian company or do you just oppose all mines? Have you ever bought anything containing gold or silver? Do you think that gold and silver grows on trees? Do you think Mexico has the right to extract metal from their country?

On a personal note, it is pretty clear that I love Baja and would like to preserve it for selfish reasons, but paving roads and mining gold are things that will happen as time goes on... If the sea levels ever do rise, I won't be able to enjoy camping on Shell Island anymore... but, as humans we adapt and find new places... that is just the nature of things. I am fortunate that sea levels are not rising since I have been going to Baja (anymore than the length of a cigarette lol) and that there still are many dirt roads and open country in Baja.

Would you even be in Todos Santos is pavement ended 72 miles south of Ensenada, like it did on my first trip on Mex. 1? Progress happens and I am sure the Canadians are enviromentally concerned to keep any harm to a minimum, not at all like the mining of the 19th Century.

monoloco - 12-20-2010 at 08:24 AM

I am opposed because I have spent a lot of time in the area of the proposed mine and it is one of the most heavily forested areas of southern Baja with a lot of surface water. I have seen it rain 20+ inches in 24 hours and I can't see how they can guarantee that their cyanide leach pits won't be overwhelmed during such an event.

David K - 12-20-2010 at 08:29 AM

Let's hope if they use better technology than that and that nothing bad happens to spoil things below the mine!

Not emotional hysteria most of the time....

mcfez - 12-20-2010 at 09:35 AM

The real question is this: is there a watch group or Mexican office (that is not corrupted by bribes) to over see this operation? Even then...it's not a 100% safe guard.

Mining IS a very dangerous proposition for the area's population...if they live nearby it's air and water flow systems. I truly understand the concerns.

All mines pollute. For example:
The Queenstake's Jerritt Canyon Mine in northern Nevada may have released as much as 6,000-8,000 pounds of mercury air pollution in 2005 and 2006, yet it reported only 300-400 pounds to state and federal agencies for those years.

In the USA!

This has nothing to do with hugging a tree....but rather hugging a dead child poisoned from chemicals. A private independent air and water quality testing company should be employed at these mining operations.

In the US....this system failed too... by false reporting:
The Emergency Planning and Community Right to Know Act (EPCRA) was established to ensure that the public has access to important information on the toxic and hazardous materials released near their community. Under the law, mining operations are required to submit an annual toxic chemical release report to the Environmental Protection Agency, which is then made available to the public through its Toxic Release Inventory.

[Edited on 12-20-2010 by mcfez]

durrelllrobert - 12-20-2010 at 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by monoloco
Yes DK, the technology exists to more efficiently extract, 200 people can now do as much damage to the environment as took 20000 in the 19th century.

MODERN GOLD EXTRACTION METHODS:

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency lists several alternatives to cyanide, including starch and sulfur dioxide. In 1999, 16 of 18 leading U.S. zinc mines and 11 of 15 leading U.S. copper mines did not use cyanide.

For gold and silver extraction, the Haber Gold Process (HGP) has been proposed as a possible alternative. HGP has undergone preliminary and follow-up testing by mining engineering groups, which have concluded that HGP results in more gold recovery over a shorter period of time than the cyanide-leaching processes, with a cost comparable to, or less than, cyanide-leaching. In addition, HGP passed the California Department of Health Services Acute Aquatic Toxicity Bioassay test, which tests the toxicity of a substance on wildlife. These claims are made by the Haber Inc. web site and, although independent testing of HGP has been done, there are no public documents that can verify these claims.

In addition, the cyanide-free biocatalyzed leaching process from YES Technologies uses a bisufide-leaching agent which is 200 times less toxic than cyanide. Preliminary test results indicate chemical reagent costs associated with this process could be 80% lower than cyanide.

This page was last updated on February 24, 2004.

mcfez - 12-20-2010 at 10:12 AM

HGP has undergone preliminary and follow-up testing by mining engineering groups......

Poor countries will suffer from mining operations.

The Baja community has a legit gripe about this....aside from all the assurances from the mine operators to the Mexican Govt. That's all I am saying. Don't be calling these town folks tree huggers, they live there...we dont!

Yes...mining is needed, absolutely. Better controls are in need.

Look at Canada:
http://www.minesandcommunities.org/article.php?a=9798

Feds launch website for mining, oil-and-gas companies operating abroad

Canadian Press
14 January 2009
OTTAWA - The federal government has launched a website aimed at helping Canadian mining and oil-and-gas companies meet their "social and environmental responsibilities" while operating abroad.

Feds failing to police mining companies: Critics
By PETER ZIMONJIC, Parliamentary Bureau
13 January 2010
OTTAWA - A website unveiled by the feds to help mining companies police themselves while operating abroad was slammed by critics as a toothless attempt to get corporations to be good corporate citizens.

This is a advanced nation...and they are waist deep in do do!
What happens in a poor country?

[Edited on 12-20-2010 by mcfez]

David K - 12-20-2010 at 11:08 AM

Yes, local concern is warranted IF these issues were not already addressed by the Canadians... I get the feeling that sometimes people just want to keep things the way they found it and be damned with the needs of anyone else on the planet after them.

I don't want needless destruction of the environment any more than anyone else. Let's just base any opposition on facts!

mcfez - 12-20-2010 at 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Yes, local concern is warranted IF these issues were not already addressed by the Canadians... I get the feeling that sometimes people just want to keep things the way they found it and be damned with the needs of anyone else on the planet after them.

I don't want needless destruction of the environment any more than anyone else. Let's just base any opposition on facts!

....people just want to keep things the way they found it"

BN had a post -3-5 years ago from some guy who was complaining that the shoreline dunes were bout to go into development. He didnt want this. he didnt want that. I went back and forth with him as well as Jr (I think) and others. I finally asked him if he lived in this same area...he said yes.

Well I then asked him.....what da hell was under you house before it was built?

I am for development. Responsible development...which doesnt really happen :-) To leave the land naked as it was a 1000 years ago...well.....I dont like camping every night in my caveman suit!

wessongroup - 12-20-2010 at 12:13 PM

Down that way... water is more important than GOLD !!!!

Here is a link which supports NOT having an open pit gold mine... some interesting thoughts and other links on the site and "open pit gold mining"...

It's in Spanish also... if you prefer...

http://tinyurl.com/2edmykv

[Edited on 12-20-2010 by wessongroup]

monoloco - 12-20-2010 at 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert

Quote:

Originally posted by monoloco
Yes DK, the technology exists to more efficiently extract, 200 people can now do as much damage to the environment as took 20000 in the 19th century.

I believe Vista's permit request is for cyanide leach pit mining.

mtgoat666 - 12-21-2010 at 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by El Jefe
Here is the email going around. Might be a little over-stated.
I have to wonder what the real science is on this subject.

Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:49 PM
Subject: Update from the the Mine experts...this is SEROUS!!
To: MLS members <intramls@flexmail.flexmls.co
I attended the meeting today that discussed the proposed mine in
Sierra de La Laguna biosphere reserve. This mine proposal is
closer to an approval than the public is aware. I also do not
believe that anyone is aware of just how detrimental this will be
to our community. Here are a few facts taken from the meeting:

-50-80 tons of explosives will be used EVERY DAY. = dust in the
air, spreading dangerous chemicals over the 200 km radius of the
site which includes all of Los Cabos. (Cabo San Lucas is 80 kms
away from the proposed site). The dangerous chemicals include
the following: Cyanide, Arsenic, Heavy Metals and Radioactive
Molecules. So we start with the air we breathe (and our animals,
livestock and plants.)
-The explosives will also cause tremors which will mimic
earthquakes on a regular basis. Think that might scare a few
tourists away?
-The explosives will also cause dust clouds that will effect our
weather. Not so many sunny days around here.
-The treatments and chemicals used (listed above) will flow
downhill, as the site is approx. 200 meters above sea level. It
will contaminate every aquifer/water table, well, and in turn
eventually trickle into all of our bays, including Cabo san Lucas
Bay.
-These heavy metals, arsenic, cyanide and radioactive molecules
will be present in our drinking water and air. Marine life will
also be effected and shore fishing will become fishing for
poisoned food.
-The organic community of Todos Santos where most of our organic
food comes from will IMMEDIATELY lose it's organic certification,
the food will become poisonous and all these farms will be shut
down. This will result in up to 10,000 jobs lost. In turn these
people who were making a clean healthy living will have to turn
to the mine, and work with poisonous chemicals and in dangerous
conditions instead. What an alternative!!
-The cases of cancer in this area will increase 50-fold. Yes, 50x
more cases of cancer!! As well as cardiovascular disease, birth
defects, liver and kidney failure etc.
-Tourism will decrease
-Property values will decrease
-OUR OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE WILL DECREASE!

In truth, they might as well start nuclear testing in the area at
the same time, the effects here are going to be the same. That
is not a joke.

What will be our alternative for food, air and water if
everything in our area is polluted with strong poisons. We will
all be effected by this if it is approved of. Don't wake up once
the damage is done and it is too late!! This is the most
important issue facing us in all of Los Cabos' history. Pass
this message on to everyone, we need to band together as a
community and make our voices heard. Everyone is asleep at the
moment and the powers (that are the only ones that stand to gain)
are making moves to get this mine approved and NOBODY even knows
about it. This is serious people and there is no reversing this
if it happens.

me thinks you exagerate a wee bit

Quote:

me thinks you have a work or biz relationship with vista.

Quote:

where do you get your info on reputation of vista? do you really think people are so gullible to think "none of these mines has a history of environmental problems?" me thinks your answer is yes

[Edited on 12-21-2010 by mtgoat666]

monoloco - 12-21-2010 at 03:13 PM

Or maybe owns Vista stock. :lol:

tiotomasbcs - 12-21-2010 at 04:14 PM

Over and over again. British Petroleum did all they could do to prevent the Gulf Tragedy?! Of course, Haliburton was watching over the Safety regulations/operations!! Just let the wolf watch over the Henhouse. When I hear words like " I hope" it makes me wonder if we learn anything from History or are just mislead by the Military- Industrial Complex? Undeveloped countries are always exploited by oil companies, fruit companies, etc. and then abandoned leaving the mess behind! Water is the most precious mineral not gold!

Tio

john68 - 12-21-2010 at 05:11 PM

There are responsible and irresponsible companies in every business. Vista is a public company and files reports with the SEC. Take a look at the company's SEC filings on the EDGAR system. From my reading of the most recent form 10-K, Vista has always operated in a responsible manner and I can find no evidence of their creating an environmental mess.

Vista proposes to use Kemix carbon-in-pulp leaching on the Concordia mine. I'm not an engineer or a chemist, but I don't think that's a cyanide process. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

If you have evidence of Vista or its management operating recklessly or irresponsibly, let's hear it. Otherwise, let's give them a break.

El Jefe - 12-21-2010 at 06:18 PM

"me thinks you exagerate a wee bit"

Oh, ya think?

I don't know who wrote the email that went out to MLS members and was then forwarded on to me and who knows who. But it is the kind of end of the world stuff that turns many people off to the message. I can see how bad things could happen as a result of this project going forward, but it is not my decision to make, and anyway, I am woefully uninformed as to the dangers and/or benefits of gold mining. So, I'm not gonna get worked up one way or another. There are simply too many other things to care about in this world.

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.

baja Steve - 12-21-2010 at 08:44 PM

Hey guys while everyone is talking about all this open pit mining has anyone gone around to see what is really going on. The companies are keeping everyone’s attention on open pit but what is happening is work on the old tunnel mines. I was NW of San Antonio today and watched a mining company extracting water out of old tunnel mines and they have also brought big power lines to the mining site

Ricardo - 12-23-2010 at 03:57 PM

mcfez your article about Canada has nothing to do with mining in Canada, what it is about is making sure mining companies are enviormentally responsible when mining in
poor nations.
R

wessongroup - 12-23-2010 at 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by john68
There are responsible and irresponsible companies in every business. Vista is a public company and files reports with the SEC. Take a look at the company's SEC filings on the EDGAR system. From my reading of the most recent form 10-K, Vista has always operated in a responsible manner and I can find no evidence of their creating an environmental mess.

Vista proposes to use Kemix carbon-in-pulp leaching on the Concordia mine. I'm not an engineer or a chemist, but I don't think that's a cyanide process. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

If you have evidence of Vista or its management operating recklessly or irresponsibly, let's hear it. Otherwise, let's give them a break.

Wow SEC filings... now that's something to hang your hat on ... ask Leman Bros... et al... on the last go around with the "There are responsible and irresponsible companies in every business."

As for a this enitiy.. .they know exactly what there are doing in there process of submittal and rejection... followed by another "report" which will address issues found to be to be lacking

I don't recall see Kemix carbon-in-pulp leaching being used... in the first report submitted... I may be wrong..

Interesting to see Vista's new approach, this time to be based from... working from inside Mexico .. from downtown so to speak ... it would appear Vista learned quite a bit from the first reports submission and along with its permit application

This is a normal process for any operation which will have significant impact on the environment...... and should not be shocking to any mining company, certainly not to one mining internationally.

I do not know anything about the historical mining operations of Vista and/or individuals who own and "run" Vista currently ...

Do all of their operations in country (as they appear to be base out of CO) and in all other countries fall under Vista's "direct control" which could allow them to classified as the "owner and/or operator" of the mining operations?

Don't know all that much about Kemix carbon-in-pulp leaching, but it would appear to be a step forward in the reduction of some of the problems associated with this one process in production of gold.. that is good to hear...

mcfez - 12-23-2010 at 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by Ricardo
mcfez your article about Canada has nothing to do with mining in Canada, what it is about is making sure mining companies are enviormentally responsible when mining in
poor nations.
R

Oh....okay :?:

Were you wearing your glasses while reading perhaps?

Ricardo - 12-24-2010 at 09:31 AM

It was the comment
"This is a advanced nation...and they are waist deep in do do!
What happens in a poor country?"
That had me confused, I assumed you were refering to the do do being in Canada. I now assume you meant in the 3rd world country where they are mining.
R