BajaNomad - back road guide book?

back road guide book?

chrisx - 12-28-2010 at 11:23 AM

Books or information source about the SW part of Baja? Is there info available on the location of tiendas, ground water, if any of the villages have a hotel? If a person wanted to pedal their bike SW out of San Ignacio and take the back roads to La Paz, how would they learn of resupply points. A report on archaeological sites would be interesting. My baja guide tells me little past Mex 1.

David K - 12-28-2010 at 12:10 PM

This guide is specific to central Baja... covers some of the roads that cross over from Mulege to the Pacific side, authors live in Mulege:

This guide covers all of Baja, but is one of the best of recent years to deal with off the highway sites:

This is the all time best Baja guidebook for facts, details and maps... however, it was last updated in the 1960's with a final 1970 reprint... Valuable still today.
A revised version in 1975 (with new primary author) to include the new highway was published. The name was changed to 'Baja California Guidebook':

This book was well done and covers many dirt roads in Baja, from 1977:

Finally, of interest to you... but little off the highway information:

[Edited on 12-28-2010 by David K]

Brian L - 12-28-2010 at 12:14 PM

I'd like to hear comments on the picture of the last book, Bicycling Baja. Loaded bike in the middle of the road, loaded burro on other side. Where is the fat lady in the Honda?

David K - 12-28-2010 at 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by blane
I'd like to hear comments on the picture of the last book, Bicycling Baja. Loaded bike in the middle of the road, loaded burro on other side. Where is the fat lady in the Honda?

The book is from 1988... traffic was lighter, perhaps?

The cover photo continues onto the back and is of the highway to Santa Rosalia... the foot of Tres Virgenes is that slope you see behind the burro/ mule.

motoged - 12-28-2010 at 03:17 PM

Chris,
It appears that you are doing some "first-time" Baja adventuring and are doing that primarily by bicycle.
As you are discovering, there is Baja adventuring....and there is Baja Nomad adventuring. The latter is far more dangerous as there are perils lurking behind every Nomad :lol:

There may not be as many perils riding your bike in Baja :biggrin:

All guide books are immediately out of date once sent to the printer....as a rule of thumb for the "publisher vs writer vs change"....so don't expect to find what the guidebook says for lots of stuff.

Your best bet is a good Baja Almanac, good puncture-proof tires, lots of water, pesos in small denominations, dried food for emergencies, and preparation for the reality that a bicycle is a difficult way to explore Baja (sand and hills are not your friends).

This forum is inhabited primarily by citizens of the USA (at home or away) and they really hate any anti-gringo commentary ....justified or not... (those gringos/"Americans" who agree with you will tend to be quiet or only respond with U2U's so as to not jump into this public fray).

You must get it by now that riding a bicycle anywhere there is auto/truck traffic is inherently dangerous for the bicyclist....and that not all dangerous drivers are:
- women
- fat women
- fat women in Hondas
- fat American women in Hondas
- fat American women in Hondas who are drunk or high on
prescription drugs .... :biggrin:

Hopefully this trip will help you plan your next one better.....scrounge all the info you can from this and other Baja-friendly forums, as well as general Googling.....

A friend of mine uses Google-Earth to find routes for Motorcycling Baja....I take that info with a pound of salt as seeing a line on Google Earth doesn't mean the road won't look like this:

When you hope it looks like this:

or, better yet....you hope it looks like this:

Or even better....

Expect the worst....enjoy everything else :cool:

[Edited on 12-30-2010 by BajaNomad]

chrisx - 12-28-2010 at 04:16 PM

Bonnie Wong wrote a great book. Her back road touring skills are still up to date. The roads South from Tecate to Lagona Hanson are no longer the same as they were in the 80s. They don't match my 2008 National Geographic map either.
An 1850 cavalry scouts manual could be handy up there. After the snow storm there was water everywhere. And some washed out bridges. Travel was a little slow with 100 pounds of wet sand on my bike tires.
When the soldiers at the check point on Mex 3 asked me to draw a map I figured I had found an isolated area
Walt Peterson has one memorable line in his book. If your clean you will be treated well, If you are dirty you will be treated accordingly. Or was it, no forget take a shower. Alright, its been a couple of years since I read that one in the coffee shop at Powell's City of Books. Simply put, spend a minute or two to shave, people will like you better.

chrisx - 12-28-2010 at 04:33 PM

Unfortunately 90% of the aggressive drivers have US plates. mostly California and Arizona. Sadly people posting hatred towards bicycles realy drive that way. All bicyclists I talked with agreed with this statement. The 90%, not the posts. Not knowing how to drive is ignorance. Saying bad driving is the way to live, ... there are some sick sick people in the world, and the % with gringo plates is disproportionate.

Go ahead fellow Baja Nomads

mcfez - 12-28-2010 at 05:43 PM

Help this guy out some more

[Edited on 12-29-2010 by mcfez]

David K - 12-28-2010 at 06:35 PM

Sounds like Chris already 'knows-it-all'? Seems the books I posted were of no interest or were nothing new to him, I guess he has them already?

mcfez - 12-28-2010 at 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
Chris,
It appears that you are doing some "first-time" Baja adventuring and are doing that primarily by bicycle.
As you are discovering, there is Baja adventuring....and there is Baja Nomad adventuring. The latter is far more dangerous as there are perils lurking behind every Nomad :lol:

There may not be as many perils riding your bike in Baja :biggrin:

Hey...is that you wearing the shades?

[Edited on 12-29-2010 by mcfez]

chrisx - 12-28-2010 at 08:06 PM

Baja adventuring....and there is Baja Nomad adventuring. The latter is far more dangerous as there are perils lurking behind every Nomad
- fat American women in Hondas who are drunk or high on
prescription drugs .

http://www.bajabooksandmaps.com/index.html?cp=http://www.baj...
maybe this book if I can find one. once out of range of the honda smile returns to my face, and I hum a little tune

DENNIS - 12-28-2010 at 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by chrisx
Not knowing how to drive is ignorance.

Unlike riding a bicycle in front of a truck. That, of course, is brilliant.

Chris........Your defense of self-rightous stupidity is unfathomable. Why do you persist?

chrisx - 12-28-2010 at 08:38 PM

like i said yanks are rotten to the core
asking this retard to act nice is without hope

torch - 12-28-2010 at 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by chrisx
like i said yanks are rotten to the core
asking this retard to act nice is without hope

wow, really ... really? ok spell it out, ..... (I'm not sure why i wrote that) why not just stay off Mex 1 and only smile.

David K - 12-28-2010 at 10:51 PM

You need to convert that National Geo. giant folding map to the Baja Almanac for some useful road and trail details... Judy at BajaBooksAndMaps.com should have it... if not http://www.BajaAlmanac.com

Hook - 12-29-2010 at 07:43 AM

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Originally posted by chrisx
Unfortunately 90% of the aggressive drivers have US plates. mostly California and Arizona. Sadly people posting hatred towards bicycles realy drive that way. All bicyclists I talked with agreed with this statement. The 90%, not the posts. Not knowing how to drive is ignorance. Saying bad driving is the way to live, ... there are some sick sick people in the world, and the % with gringo plates is disproportionate.

I find it to be just the opposite over here in Sonora. The fast, inconsiderate drivers all have Sonora or Sinaloa plates. Their titular heads are the bus drivers, especially the muni ones.

DianaT - 12-29-2010 at 09:34 AM

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Interesting statistics, but have you noticed how many local Mexicans in have cars with California Plates?

Let's see, we drive that highway about every six weeks or so and we do real scientific statistical analysis every time we are on the highway---tough job, but someone has to do it.

Here are some examples of our findings.

43.9876 % of the drunk drivers we see are Gringos or Mexicans in cars with California plates.

41.679% of the aggressive drivers are locals

75.489% of the speeding drivers have Oregon Plates

23.9999% of the seemingly lost drivers have Washington Plates

:rolleyes:

Only number I would place a bet on is that

99.9999% of the small trucks with horses or cattle in the back are driven by locals---had to have a little margin of error.

Really sorry you have such an agenda----When I first saw your picture that Shari posted of you in our village, I thought---gee, that is nice. He should have quite an adventure riding the back roads.

All of us who drive that highway either in cars, RVs, or motorcycles can tell about many near misses that involved all sorts of vehicles driven by all sorts of people. We have seen many really bad accidents and one of the worst was when a motorcycle hit a cow.

ncampion - 12-29-2010 at 09:51 AM

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It's not aggressive or "bad" drivers that are the problem, it's statistics. Sooner or later, on a blind curve, a truck, a car and a bicycle are going to all come together. I resent that the bicyclist puts the other drivers in the position of having to make the split second decision - "do I head-on the truck, or do I hit the bicycle". I only see one answer and I don't want to live the rest of my life with the consequence. If you want to ride Baja highways on two wheels, make sure it has at least 50 hp and can go 100 kpm.

Brian L - 12-29-2010 at 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by chrisx
like i said yanks are rotten to the core
asking this retard to act nice is without hope

You have a great way of getting us to like you.

wilderone - 12-29-2010 at 09:57 AM

Lay off chrisx already. He knows now to bike off Mex. 1 for his own safety and others.

"You must get it by now that riding a bicycle anywhere there is auto/truck traffic is inherently dangerous for the bicyclist....and that not all dangerous drivers are:
- women"

No wrong incorrect. every single car on Mex. 1 passing on blind turns and going too fast are being driven by males. that's the truth. and you know it.

chrisx - all those small place names are sometimes just one rancho. E.g., at El Alamo, about 30 miles SW of San Ignacio, there is one ranch with one guy living there. Sometimes a fish camp, and they go out in early AM, return in afternoon. Mostly no hotels, but at Bahia San Ignacio, some campos. You can resupply there. Lots of archaeological sites, but you have to know what you're looking for - they're not signed or on the map because they've always lacked professional scrutiny. E.g., the entire Bahia San Ignacio area is covered with indigenous indicia. Not many structures to see - what you'll be looking for are tools, points, agave roasting pits, pot shards. "Resupply points"? You'll have to barter or purchase from those whom you will meet along the way, or you will treated to the generosity of Baja Californios. Maybe get a truck ride for a span? But that's the charm of Baja CA.
Maybe check in here for more specific route planning as you progress. You've done good so far, no? Have a great trip, and ignore negativity here.

DENNIS - 12-29-2010 at 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by blane
You have a great way of getting us to like you.

Yeah....the troll came out of his closet.

Relax there, Chris. None of your imagined statistics mean anything. Just get up on your bike and ride. Until that day when you lube the CV Joints of a Kenworth with your entrails, have a good time.
Baja is for everybody.

DENNIS - 12-29-2010 at 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
ignore negativity here.

I wouldn't do that. It's all part of the learning process. Part of life.
If you want to learn, pay attention to all of it.

DianaT - 12-29-2010 at 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
Lay off chrisx already. He knows now to bike off Mex. 1 for his own safety and others.

........... Have a great trip, and ignore negativity here.

Negativity???? YES

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Originally posted by chrisx like i said yanks are rotten to the core asking this retard to act nice is without hope

Stability? :?:

[Edited on 12-29-2010 by DianaT]

sanquintinsince73 - 12-29-2010 at 10:18 AM

ChrisX, about what I posted in an earlier thread about you coming out swinging after your trip down the peninsula due to some honey breaking your heart down there, there's a place in Ensenada called Anthonys..............

chrisx - 12-29-2010 at 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by ncampion

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if you cant see the problem you are the person this whole rant is directed towards
why are you driving beyond the capability of your brakes
why didn't you slow down instead of attempting to squeeze through
no car should ever be traveling so fast it cant stop if something appears in the road.
you say you were forced to suffer an ill emotion because you drive to fast and caused pain and death
why didn't you slow down
who is the most dangerous driver on the road?
not the foul mouthed mcbeer, probably has a pickup and only drives to the liquor store on Tuesday
not the tattooed punk looking for trouble he has fast reaction times and has only killed half his brain cells
not the guy in the semi truck they have professional training

the most dangerous person on the road is the person without the knowledge to hit the brakes and slow down.
the speed limit is not 100 kph
its 80 kph = 50 miles per hour
that's right the speed limit on Mex 1 is 50 mph max
not knowing or not caring makes you the most dangerous person on the road
in places were visibility is low it slows to 60 or even 40 kph that's not miles per hour, kilometers per hour
a person driving the speed limit would not have to make a split second decision. because you don't know that, you are the most dangerous person on the road
27 mph 40 kph = about 27 miles per hour

THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

the thoughtless driver is the most dangerous person on the road
instead of resisting the idea of safe driving, the rest of you should be helping to to educate or convince the thoughtless to drive in a safe manner.

[Edited on 12-29-2010 by chrisx]

motoged - 12-29-2010 at 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT
We have seen many really bad accidents and one of the worst was when a motorcycle hit a cow.

Diana,
How much damage to the motorcycle??? :biggrin:

Was the cow on drugs or just stupid....or was it riding a bicycle ??? :?:

[Edited on 12-29-2010 by motoged]

chrisx - 12-29-2010 at 11:58 AM

Lots of archaeological sites, but you have to know what you're looking for - they're not signed or on the map because they've always lacked professional scrutiny. E.g., the entire Bahia San Ignacio area is covered with indigenous indicia. Not many structures to see - what you'll be looking for are tools, points, agave roasting pits, pot shards.

Simply looking for a nice place to camp sometimes shows traces of the days long before Mex 1 existed. The one time I showed some archaeologists an ancient fire pit and some stones used to crush? food of __--? They dug it up, its gone now. Camping the same place as people did ?,000 years ago is certainly a highpoint in the journey. Anymore if I find something I don't remember where it was. I would rather see it left alone than in someones private collection

there is plenty of history out there

DianaT - 12-29-2010 at 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by motoged

Quote:

Originally posted by DianaT
We have seen many really bad accidents and one of the worst was when a motorcycle hit a cow.

Diana,
How much damage to the motorcycle??? :biggrin:

Was the cow on drugs or just stupid? :?:

The cow probably had a grudge against motorcycle riders---maybe they don't hit the brakes often enough. Or maybe some of them are drunk and just rotten people. :biggrin:

Seriously, this one really sticks with us because we came along so soon after it happened.

If I remember, I believe it was tripledigitken who also came upon this accident---that was before we knew him.

Anyway, it was awful. It was a group of hearing impaired riders---many couples who were touring Baja. It happened not too far north of Guerrero Negro.

It was on that stretch of road that everyone thinks is so straight and so it is safe to drive really fast---what they don't see are the many, many dips in the road where many accidents happen.

This couple was the lead couple and evidently by the time they saw the cow on the highway, they could not stop. The cow and the front rider on the motorcycle were killed and the passenger was in critical condition---never did hear if she made it or not.

Could list several more----nothing like dead bodies on the highway to slow you down. Also, it is a rare occasion that we drive the highway where we do not see an overturned big truck or at least the evidence of one recently overturned.

[Edited on 12-29-2010 by DianaT]

motorcycle hit a cow

mcfez - 12-29-2010 at 12:15 PM

Actually...on my motorcycle, I hit a cow on the back road here in the Sacramento Valley. Place called Green valley Road up behind the Nut Tree off I-80.

Rolling hills and lots of curves. Good thing I was slowing around before the bend....a cow just standing there.

One never knows whats to come...when driving.

chrisx - 12-29-2010 at 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by wilderone
You'll have to barter or purchase from those whom you will meet along the way, or you will treated to the generosity of Baja Californios. Maybe get a truck ride for a span? But that's the charm of Baja CA.
Maybe check in here for more specific route planning as you progress.

Manny people offer me food and rides in there pickup. I'm very reluctant to accept free food. The one time I did, I gave the guy 50 pesos. I wonder what is appropriate? If someone gives me something I'm obliged to give them something, but what? Money? How much? Buy a carton of cigarettes and trade them for coffee? what is normal, or acceptable?

People in the back country offer me a ride all the time. I have yet to accept, My intended destination was to wonder the hills. getting there in safely is the problem, no little truck offered me a spin up Mex 1

wilderone - 12-29-2010 at 12:37 PM

"I gave the guy 50 pesos. I wonder what is appropriate? If someone gives me something I'm obliged to give them something, but what? Money? How much?"

Difficult call in some situations. Most people just want to do you a favor. But an offer of expenses probably welcome, not expected. Someone once asked me to come over for coffee at a campground. I accepted and when I was leaving, tried to give him 20 pesos. It's certainly what I would have expected to pay for a cup of coffee somewhere, and I was happy to have it prepared for me. He was almost insulted that I offered to pay. I really wanted to give him something - little business for him - so I told him how much I appreciated other aspects of his campground. He finally accepted it. If I invite someone over for a shared meal, he/she is a guest; I believe the sentiment is likewise. Once when camping, I had an emptly plastic gallon container. Someone asked if he could have it and I gave it to him. I was happy to let him have it if he felt that it was valuable to him. Check in and let us know how your trip is going.

tripledigitken - 12-29-2010 at 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT
We have seen many really bad accidents and one of the worst was when a motorcycle hit a cow....................

If I remember, I believe it was tripledigitken who also came upon this accident---that was before we knew him........................

Anyway, it was awful. It was a group of hearing impaired riders---many couples who were touring Baja. It happened not too far north of Guerrero Negro.

Diane,

You remembered correctly. I will never forget the sound of a women yelling/crying knelling next to the downed rider.

ken

motoged - 12-29-2010 at 01:07 PM

The carnage of vehicle accidents is upsetting for all of us, regardless of the reasons for it.

We take risks everyday without necessarily recognizing the degree of the risks....as habits and routines keep things "normal"....seeing the injured and dead wakes us from that trance and magnifies the vulnerabilities we feel.

As an aside, it just occured to me that ChrisX is perhaps venting (with poor spelling and grammar, and a bit of bile) some sense of injury/trauma that he has experienced while bicycling Baja....his response seems more like that of a trauma victim than someone simply being disgruntled... I think his adventure presented him with experiences that didn't mesh with his expectations/trip fantasy.

The guidebook for that isn't in the travel section of the bookstore... :light:

DENNIS - 12-29-2010 at 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
As an aside, it just occured to me that ChrisX is perhaps venting (with poor spelling and grammar, and a bit of bile) some sense of injury/trauma that he has experienced while bicycling Baja....his response seems more like that of a trauma victim than someone simply being disgruntled... I think his adventure presented him with experiences that didn't mesh with his expectations/trip fantasy.

I doubt it. He would have used the story to illustrate his points....unless he was one of the drivers.
I think he's just being cantankerous and came across a way to voice those skills.

DENNIS - 12-29-2010 at 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Then again, I am primarily Irish in descent.

That just makes you a better person. :biggrin:

motoged - 12-29-2010 at 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
.....Then again, I am primarily Irish in descent.

What are you in ascent? :lol:

I have some Irish blood in me....is that why I am good a recognizing someone being a dick, too? :biggrin:

David K - 12-29-2010 at 02:51 PM

I am really confused... I thought he was asking about 'backroad guide books'... :?:

motoged - 12-29-2010 at 03:17 PM

David:

"Yes".....and "yes"..... :biggrin:

Happy New Year :saint:

David K - 12-29-2010 at 03:30 PM

You too Ged... Happy Boxing Day! (or has that passed already... and what is it, anyway?)

willyAirstream - 12-29-2010 at 03:32 PM

Are Patti and Tom Higginbotham, authors of Backroads Baja in this forum? Is this book available in Mulege. Sorry, for the on topic question

chrisx - 12-29-2010 at 06:49 PM

how did you celebrate wrens day?

I pedaled all the way around the coast of Ireland without a single problem
years ago

[Edited on 12-30-2010 by chrisx]

bajajudy - 12-29-2010 at 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by willyAirstream
Are Patti and Tom Higginbotham, authors of Backroads Baja in this forum? Is this book available in Mulege. Sorry, for the on topic question

Claudia at La Tienda should have this book!

chrisx - 12-29-2010 at 07:48 PM

what about
BAJA CALIFORNIA ALMANAC
any stores in Ensenada or Mulege or Santa Rosalia or San Ignacio have a good map book?

willyAirstream - 12-29-2010 at 07:57 PM

Thanks BajaJudy
Chrisx- look here
http://www.bajabooksandmaps.com/ under "maps" then here under "Buy Books in Baja " for retailers
.

shari - 12-29-2010 at 07:59 PM

chris...i think a good way for you to find answers to your local questions is asking them to the people you meet en route...the ranchers, store owners, familes etc. Locals know the area well and where you can get water and food, easiest trails, roads...like Mike & Don Kay are doing...he checks with folks he meets where he can get food, water ( and whiskey:biggrin

and gets the up to date info on the days trek ahead of him...that way, you can plan a bit on destinations....they may also share tidbits about good camping spots, points of interest etc.

hey chris....didnt Sirenita give you a lift down Mex 1????

David K - 12-29-2010 at 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by chrisx
what about
BAJA CALIFORNIA ALMANAC
any stores in Ensenada or Mulege or Santa Rosalia or San Ignacio have a good map book?

Here is the 2003 and bigger 2009 Baja California Almanac... either one will work well for you... The older one has more detail and will be easier to carry at 8.5" x 11'... But, it is long out-of-print.

chrisx - 12-30-2010 at 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by shari

hey chris....didnt Sirenita give you a lift down Mex 1????

yes what a blessing
if I see a life size chocolate teddy bear I will send it to her

[Edited on 12-30-2010 by chrisx]

chrisx - 12-30-2010 at 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by shari
chris... Locals know the area well and where you can get water and food, easiest trails, roads...like Mike & Don Kay are doing...he checks with folks he meets where he can get food, water ( and whiskey:biggrin

and gets the up to date info on the days trek ahead of him...that way, you can plan a bit

are mike and don the folks walking the crest of the mountains?
if so where would one click to read all about .... ..

whisky :fire:

yuck

[Edited on 12-30-2010 by chrisx]

[Edited on 12-30-2010 by chrisx]

chrisx - 12-30-2010 at 12:13 PM

you don't know what we can find
why don't you come with me little while
on a magic bicycle ride

I like to dream
right between the summer shade
on a rusty old bike I drift in the night
any place it goes is right
pedal far, roll near to the stars away from here

you don't know what we can find
why don't you come with me little while
on a magic bicycle ride
you don't know what we can see
why don't you pedal along with me
bicycles will set you free
open your eyes now
look around now
let your bike take you away

last night I rode a floating bike
and so I wished that I could stay
before the thing could answer me
well, a screeching brake quick took my dream away
I looked around, a lousy band aid was all I found

you don't know what we can find
why don't you come with me little while
on a magic bicycle ride
you don't know what we can see
why don't you pedal along with me
bicycles will set you free
open your eyes now
look around now
let your bike take you away

you don't know what we can find
why don't you come with me little while on a magic bicycle ride
you don't know what we can see
why don't you pedal along with me
bicycles will set you free

chrisx - 12-30-2010 at 12:24 PM

http://www.peopleforbikes.org/?email=20101230

Cypress - 12-30-2010 at 01:59 PM

Just go down that road and see were it goes! :biggrin:

motoged - 12-30-2010 at 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by chrisx
you don't know what we can find
why don't you come with me little while
on a magic bicycle ride

This is starting to get a bit embarrassing :yawn:

Bajatripper - 1-2-2011 at 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by chrisx
Lots of archaeological sites, but you have to know what you're looking for - they're not signed or on the map because they've always lacked professional scrutiny. E.g., the entire Bahia San Ignacio area is covered with indigenous indicia. Not many structures to see - what you'll be looking for are tools, points, agave roasting pits, pot shards.

While I know this is a quaint notion, archaeological remains are protected by Mexican law and any collection of them is prohibited (unless you are an archaeologist with a permit issued by the Mexican government in hand). While I'm not naive enough to think that will slow many people down, I don't think it is wise to announce on a public forum of intentions to do so.
By the way, pottery technology never reached Baja California. The only pot shards (save porceline found along the Pacific Coast, which has been attributed to a Manila Galleon ship wreck) were trade items brought in from the north. So if you find any of them in the San Ignacio region, they likely come from a nearby ranch dating from the post-colonial period. Don't get too excited about them.

David K - 1-2-2011 at 05:20 PM

You do mean Baja California Sur, yes? In Baja Norte, pottery pieces are all over the desert near the water filled canyons.

BajaBlanca - 1-2-2011 at 05:24 PM

Mike is the hiker
Don Kay is his burro who is carrying stuff
Solo vino is the cutest dog walking with them

To see their picture - scroll down to the bottom of this page :biggrin:

chrisx - 1-2-2011 at 06:10 PM

To be clear: Seeing signs of the ancient ones is a good thing.
where they are found is where they belong, yes. If a thing sits in a place 5,000 years, that's a good thing, 5,000 more would be better

lookingandbuying - 1-2-2011 at 10:19 PM

What I don't get about all this banter back and forth is "WHY" a guy that is crusing his bike in some of the most beautiful country almost anywhere seems so angry and ungrateful?? :?:

What am I missing here?

motoged - 1-2-2011 at 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by chrisx
I pedaled all the way around the coast of Ireland without a single problem years ago[Edited on 12-30-2010 by chrisx]

Chris,
Ireland is a country known for its consumption of alcohol....how were the drivers there?

wilderone - 1-3-2011 at 10:48 AM

"While I know this is a quaint notion, archaeological remains are protected by Mexican law and any collection of them is prohibited (unless you are an archaeologist with a permit issued by the Mexican government in hand). While I'm not naive enough to think that will slow many people down, I don't think it is wise to announce on a public forum of intentions to do so."

Nobody said anything about collecting them. It's very interesting to come upon an area where evidence of indigenous habitation exists. Knowing what you're looking at enhances your acquired knowledge and understanding of the history of Baja California. Because the paleontology and archaeology of Baja CA has been largely ignored, there is still plenty to see if one ventures off Mex. 1. I intend to see and learn as much as possible. Not illegal.

"By the way, pottery technology never reached Baja California. The only pot shards (save porceline found along the Pacific Coast, which has been attributed to a Manila Galleon ship wreck) were trade items brought in from the north. So if you find any of them in the San Ignacio region, they likely come from a nearby ranch dating from the post-colonial period. Don't get too excited about them."

Trade items brought in from the "north"? It is my understanding that in northern Baja CA pottery was made by the indigenous and in more southerly locations it was not. I've found pot shards all over northern Baja CA, and would have to disagree that any of it came from Southern California or Yuma, AZ. Regardless of the boundaries of the pottery-making inhabitants, if one finds pottery in Baja Ca, assumptions such as yours ("they likely come from a nearby ranch dating from the post-colonial period") is the antithesis of exploration and understanding of the history of that artifact and its surrounding environs. I've found pot shards at San Ignacio - right where there is now an "eco camp" plunked down right on top of them. If they were trade items from the northern indigenous, then that artifact and its significance, use, the trade route, the relationship between cultures, etc. is what is to be learned. Are you suggesting that the archaeology of a place be ignored, further study curtailed, that tourists should not be interested in the history of North America, that we already know everything there is to know?

sanquintinsince73 - 1-3-2011 at 10:56 AM

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What I don't get about all this banter back and forth is "WHY" a guy that is crusing his bike in some of the most beautiful country almost anywhere seems so angry and ungrateful?? :?:

What am I missing here?

Something broke his heart down south and he's taking it out on "Yanks".

chrisx - 1-3-2011 at 12:36 PM

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I pedaled all the way around the coast of Ireland without a single problem years ago[Edited on 12-30-2010 by chrisx]

Chris,
Ireland is a country known for its consumption of alcohol....how were the drivers there?

The Guardi have 0 tolerance for drunk driving. most people walk home from the local.

chrisx - 1-3-2011 at 12:47 PM

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What am I missing here?

Dennis and the anti spewing hate for bicycles. people on the lower end of the IQ scale have no ability to reason. and must be shocked into hitting the brakes. How do you force a person without higher brain functions to drive safely? at the moment typing is the available means.

hey gringo hit the brakes

yes, the bulk of bad drivers on mex 1, 90% are gringos

motoged - 1-3-2011 at 01:11 PM

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"Anti spewing hate for bicycles"....

Chris, Chris, Chris..... :no:

....your poor grammar accidentally suggests that Dennis and such are actually "against" spewing hate....

And, it's not bicycles that are the brunt of any animosity you perceive....it is the arrogant attitudes of some cyclists. You may have encountered such cyclists in your travels: they consider themselves to be at the top of the food chain of locomotion devices, they confuse their bikes with the Holy Grail, and they make everybody not on a bike wrong....or at least accuse them of suffering from addictions and low IQ's :rolleyes:

Oh, are you allowed to set off explosives back home with impunity? Or just using another Nomad's comments about bottle rockets as grist for another "spewing of hate"?

chrisx - 1-3-2011 at 01:28 PM

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Chris, Chris, Chris..... ....your poor grammar accidentally suggests that

I´d be more interested in Spanish lessons than English lessons. the English teacher gave up on me when I turned 15, to old I suppose, on the other hand, the girl in the Levis provides ample incentive to learn Spanish.
Seeing as how you are a linguistics expert, perhaps you could provide a link to the learn Spanish page. You know, put on the head phones and repeat after them, maybe they even have flash cards or something.

there is a size limit on fire crackers, so I only purchased small ones

[Edited on 1-3-2011 by chrisx]

sanquintinsince73 - 1-3-2011 at 02:05 PM

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What am I missing here?

I don't think that those two brain cells you have left qualify you for a higher I.Q.......liquid-brain burnout maybe.

This Just In....ChrisX passing thru Asuncion

sanquintinsince73 - 1-3-2011 at 02:19 PM

ChrisX was spotted haulin' butt thru asuncion a couple weeks ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rlbjdUewI8

desertcpl - 1-3-2011 at 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
ChrisX was spotted haulin' butt thru asuncion a couple weeks ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rlbjdUewI8

thats to funny,, but wasnt this when he was in Ireland,, you know how the Irish drink,, maybe Chrisx had to stop for a few with the Lads

sanquintinsince73 - 1-3-2011 at 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
ChrisX was spotted haulin' butt thru asuncion a couple weeks ago...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rlbjdUewI8

thats to funny,, but wasnt this when he was in Ireland,, you know how the Irish drink,, maybe Chrisx had to stop for a few with the Lads

...yeah, and he left his front wheel at "MtChivos" slop chute.