BajaNomad - HOW COCAINE IS MADE

HOW COCAINE IS MADE

DENNIS - 1-13-2011 at 01:24 PM

I think everything having to do with drugs is Baja..Mexico..World related.
I doubt many have seen this poison being made. After watching this, I had to wonder why so many in the US would risk their life for the stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&...

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[Edited on 1-13-2011 by DENNIS]

woody with a view - 1-13-2011 at 01:26 PM

i thought you were asking the masses a question, not making a statement..... :biggrin:

DENNIS - 1-13-2011 at 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
i thought you were asking the masses a question, not making a statement..... :biggrin:

I looked all over for the Cooking Forum, but couldn't find one. :cool:

sanquintinsince73 - 1-13-2011 at 02:15 PM

Kinda takes the glamor out of snorting a couple lines. I doubt it would do any good, but I wish they'd run this piece in the mainstream media.

desertcpl - 1-13-2011 at 02:29 PM

my g.d that is disgusting

wessongroup - 1-13-2011 at 02:46 PM

funny how a farmer always gets the short end...

DavidE - 1-13-2011 at 04:28 PM

What is not being told is the story about the incredibly high percentage of cocaine users that develop heart problems in middle age, like at age 50. A story I read in the NEJM said the risk factor increased 22 times. This is for conditions like atrial fibrillation.

Santiago - 1-13-2011 at 04:33 PM

It seems to me that the farmers processing this stuff would just naturally absorb it int he air, through their skin. Does this happen? One thing jumped out at me, the statement that they only make about 15% more than regular farm crops. Like wessongroup says, the little farmer always gets it.

wessongroup - 1-13-2011 at 06:37 PM

Your spot on Santiago, the use of of hazardous materials by many of these very poor folks will in fact have long term health impacts on the grower... much like any who work in the farming industry who are involved in production using "hazardous materials" in the production of food, fiber and "drugs"

Shell workers at their Lathrop plant in CA, became sterile from exposure to DBCP while it was in production at that facility..

Also agreed on the long term health effects of individuals who use drugs like this .. had a few friends that start using "coke" when it started replacing ... acid, hash, pot and a few other things.. (whites, mini whites) ... in the late 60's and really got into it in the early 70's...

They aren't around anymore.. a lot went to jail, and the few that made it into their 50's developed serious heart conditions, along with many other very serious complications associated with the use of cocaine...

It's not all its "cracked" to be...

[Edited on 1-14-2011 by wessongroup]

Marc - 1-13-2011 at 10:48 PM

Disgusting!!

Martyman - 1-14-2011 at 09:18 AM

I'm sure they get a mouth full of diesel w/coke when getting a siphon started.

Bajajorge - 1-14-2011 at 10:04 AM

And to those tweekers out there that use Meth, may I say, it is made using Coleman White Gasoline,

Sulphuric Acid,

Match heads

and assorted other goodies that you can think of :light:

for color and flavoring. So pump that into your vains or stuff it up your nose. :barf:

durrelllrobert - 1-14-2011 at 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I think everything having to do with drugs is Baja..Mexico..World related.
I doubt many have seen this poison being made. After watching this, I had to wonder why so many in the US would risk their life for the stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&... of "interesting" stuff on side bars also.

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[Edited on 1-13-2011 by DENNIS]

vandenberg - 1-14-2011 at 11:58 AM

No wonder the sh*t I cook up don't work. :no:

I;ve been doing it all wrong. :biggrin:

Back to the drawing board. :saint:

DENNIS - 1-14-2011 at 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
No wonder the sh*t I cook up don't work. :no:

I;ve been doing it all wrong. :biggrin:

Back to the drawing board. :saint:

Well, Ed.....it says right in the directions, "Do not use your microwave." I'll bet you can't use your rotisserie either. And don't try to barbque the stuff. That's a real mess. :lol:

Woooosh - 1-14-2011 at 02:42 PM

can't you just buy a bag of coca leaves to chew on and say you are now green and "organic"? :saint:

wessongroup - 1-14-2011 at 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
can't you just buy a bag of coca leaves to chew on and say you are now green and "organic"? :saint:

Think that is what the President of Bolivia, Evo Morales, does and says... along with Victor Chavez ... and one hell of a lot of population down that way..... and they voted for it...

Woooosh - 1-14-2011 at 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup

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Originally posted by Woooosh
can't you just buy a bag of coca leaves to chew on and say you are now green and "organic"? :saint:

Think that is what the President of Bolivia, Evo Morales, does and says... along with Victor Chavez ... and one hell of a lot of population down that way..... and they voted for it...

Imagine if you legalized fresh coca leaves only. Users would chew the leaves or make tea like they had in the Americas's for centuries. Couldn't be any worse for you than one of those 4oz energy drinks. Solves the cocaine problem. It would be low cost like Coffee and addicts could eat like a cow.

wessongroup - 1-14-2011 at 09:57 PM

Makes sense to me Woooosh... it would appear to have no noted negative health effects to those who have been using, just the leaves... for a very, very long while

bajaguy - 1-15-2011 at 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Imagine if you legalized fresh coca leaves only.

Yeah......just imagine what "they" would do with the leaves......

monoloco - 1-15-2011 at 08:23 AM

It wouldn't work, people would be setting up bath tub cocaine labs everywhere. Better to just legalize cocaine so users could access pharmaceutical quality drugs so they aren't poisoned by harmful substances like the gasoline and diesel fuel used in the clandestine process. Same thing for heroin, heroin addicts can live a fairly normal existence if they don't have their lives consumed by the constant need to acquire illicit drugs on the street and their health damaged by the chemicals and impurities in them. If someone wants to waste their life as a drug addict, they should be able to do it without breaking into my house to support their habit. We would still have wastrels but the legalization of all drugs would put an end to the cartels.

Cardon Man - 1-15-2011 at 08:40 AM

You are correct Monoloco. However, the prison industrial complex along with the police are BIG business in the USA. They need bodies to fill cells and illegal drugs are an ideal means to accomplish that.

DENNIS - 1-15-2011 at 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by monoloco
We would still have wastrels but the legalization of all drugs would put an end to the cartels.

Or not. Their focus would just change from drug smuggleing to competitive marketing. Sell for less at a higher volume.
If anyone wants to eliminate the competition, they'll have to give their product away....free. Nobody can compete against free.

Lower labor costs have already been attended to so it won't be a factor in the future. It's already an offshore venture.

Clandestine manufacturing and distribution would bypass the need to pay taxes. The government wouldn't want that.

So...we're right back where we started. Fighting and dying to control the border, no longer from drug smugglers, but from illegal importers of legal products which once into the system are indistinguishable from all others.

Same can...different worms.

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[Edited on 1-15-2011 by DENNIS]

bajaguy - 1-15-2011 at 08:52 AM

Hey, while we are legalizing drugs, lets legalize homicide.....just to make things easier

DENNIS - 1-15-2011 at 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Hey, while we are legalizing drugs, lets legalize homicide.....just to make things easier

Maybe it should be taxed. :cool:

wessongroup - 1-15-2011 at 12:59 PM

Naw... all ya have to do... raise the price of ammo... to like 200 dollars a round...

aahhhhh lets' see who has enough to fill a 31 round clip... and blast away

ya know ... treat it like razor blades used to be.. the holder is free the blades.. well that's an add on...

might have some impact.. might want some stock in reloader's...

and all the money spent on drugs, could then be spent on ammo ... for what ... the drugs at free..

Three causes of murder in the States by the CDC, passion, mental illness and lastly drugs... we could get rid of one...

Good luck with the other two...

[Edited on 1-15-2011 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 1-15-2011 by wessongroup]

Cardon Man - 1-15-2011 at 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
Naw... all ya have to do... raise the price of ammo... to like 200 dollars a round...

There's a great bit by comedian Chris Rock that plays on that same idea!

vandenberg - 1-15-2011 at 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
Naw... all ya have to do... raise the price of ammo... to like 200 dollars a round...
[Edited on 1-15-2011 by wessongroup]

And then only the narcos have enough funds for ammo. :biggrin:

Cap - 1-18-2011 at 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by monoloco
It wouldn't work, people would be setting up bath tub cocaine labs everywhere. Better to just legalize cocaine so users could access pharmaceutical quality drugs so they aren't poisoned by harmful substances like the gasoline and diesel fuel used in the clandestine process. Same thing for heroin, heroin addicts can live a fairly normal existence if they don't have their lives consumed by the constant need to acquire illicit drugs on the street and their health damaged by the chemicals and impurities in them. If someone wants to waste their life as a drug addict, they should be able to do it without breaking into my house to support their habit. We would still have wastrels but the legalization of all drugs would put an end to the cartels.

Putting an end to cartels and their financing is apealing to everyone, but what about the basic human right to self determination? What place does the government have telling anyone what to put in their body? I love conservatives that make ludicrous comparisons to homicide. If you dont harm others what you do with your life is your own damned business!

Personally, I think its foolish and a waste of the quality of your life. But who the hell am I to impose my morality on another adult? If you truly believe in the inailienable right to the pursuit of hapiness, you must allow others to pursue it in ways you may not agree with. The caveat? DON'T HARM OTHERS!!

You are kidding, right? Here we go again!

mcfez - 1-19-2011 at 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by Cap

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Being a previous Nightclub owner (four) in Sacramento and San Francisco in the 80's and early 90's........

I was in the "mix" of these sort of folks, these "right to the pursuit of happiness" sort of sub human freaks. Stoned each day on crank (speed) and stoned on the glass devil (cola rock). Not 100% of the drug users use every day.....in the beginning that is.

Now...a 16th (a bag of dope weighing 1.5 grams) sold for $90. A bag would last two days or less.....smoking the stuff.

There are 30 days in a month. Doing the math....15 bags x $90.00 comes out to $1350.00

I do know about the standard wages of working men and women. I'm a employer. Someone working at a Department store makes around $2000 per month. A city worker...$2 to 3000. Mechanics and landscapers.....well....you get the point of these wages not being in the class of "The Rich and Famous".

Rent: 1100
Food: 300
Transportation: 350
Whatever: 300
Total: $2050.00 San Francisco wages in 1980's

"Wow'....I'm short on money to buy my dope Dude"!

Let's go rob McFezzie's house....better yet...lets go rob the Club! And if not him.....lets go after who ever.

Yes Cap.....dope don't hurt the ones like me that follows the rules of society. HELLO? HELLO? ANYONE HOME AT Caps brain?

Rules of society is aka "Laws" of the land. Made by popular vote. These dope laws were made to protect me from being

Robbed
Harmed by guys up for five days without sleep.
Raping others since their sex drives are in overload mod.
Embezzlement of property and banking systems.
Bla bla and more bla.

Legalizing the drug? The use of alcohol is a great fine example of the harms society suffers from. Alcohol is a classified drug BTW.

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"What place does the government have telling anyone what to put in their body"?

The place to protect my kids, wife, family and me from freaking drub abusers.
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I been working in that world for 20 years.....I know what the hell I am talking about. You dont.

[Edited on 1-19-2011 by mcfez]

Cap - 1-22-2011 at 11:18 PM

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I been working in that world for 20 years.....I know what the hell I am talking about. You dont.

Well, I'm glad we got that straight!

You're missing the point, but as you say, here we go again.

Driving cars leads to deadly accidents with innocent victims, should we make cars illegal ? Of course not because all cars don't get in accidents, just like not all people who have ever used drugs robbed houses to get more drugs.

Think how effective the police would be at stopping actual crime like what you described if they were not so busy busting small time possession.
You can't bust people for crimes they might commit.

Legal drugs would be cheap too so why risk jail to Rob someone of you can grow your own? The biggest difference between our outlooks on this one is that I'm not willing to throw away peoples civil rights for a false sense of security.

wessongroup - 1-23-2011 at 05:45 AM

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Originally posted by Cardon Man

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Originally posted by wessongroup
Naw... all ya have to do... raise the price of ammo... to like 200 dollars a round...

There's a great bit by comedian Chris Rock that plays on that same idea!

that's where I got it....

You are still in the blind

mcfez - 1-23-2011 at 07:25 AM

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Originally posted by Cap

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I been working in that world for 20 years.....I know what the hell I am talking about. You dont.

Oh...lets put you kids in that doped up dude's car and have him drive them to Disneyland. That's okay with you. Why hell...he only used a little amount! I seriously doubt you would allow Tom, Dick, and Jane into his car. Yes? No?

"peoples civil rights" and you are so blind to your surrounding environment.

Automobile speed limits
Seat belt requirements
Motorcycle helmet laws
Drinking in public laws
Loitering laws
Taking off your shoes and getting a body scan for a flight!

I can list 1000's of restrictive laws!!!

Learn up the issues before you mouth off non sense statements.

If you wish to debate me on this subject....open up a Off Topic post and I'll lash you with your own misguided words.

monoloco - 1-23-2011 at 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by mcfez

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Originally posted by Cap

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Legalizing the drug? The use of alcohol is a great fine example of the harms society suffers from. Alcohol is a classified drug BTW.

[Edited on 1-19-2011 by mcfez]

We tried criminalizing alcohol and that didn't work out any better than the prohibition against drugs is currently working. It just created a lot of criminals.

Cap - 1-24-2011 at 08:04 AM

No thanks on the lashing...
Besides, I don't want to make you late for the thought police meeting. There might be someone thinking of committing a crime near by.

DENNIS - 1-24-2011 at 08:54 AM

Ok....I'm once again confused. Who's talking to whom up there?

Martyman - 1-24-2011 at 10:53 AM

I'm glad I'm not the only nut job in this forum :coolup:

DavidE - 1-24-2011 at 04:21 PM

To say that sending dollars to sicarios jefes y halcones in Mexico is "OK" because the "Drugs Don't Hurt Anybody" is like sending envelopes of money to Al Qaeda under the guise of "Religous Freedom".

Funny thing, I don't infringe on the rights of dopers or cartel operatives (while I'm in Mexico) but they sure step all over my rights.

"It Is My RIGHT to F--- You Up"

Somebody needs medication for active psychosis and it sure as hell isn't me.

200 Bucks a Round ?

MrBillM - 1-24-2011 at 05:07 PM

GREAT IDEA.

I could make a fortune. Forget the Restored '65 Mustang I want. We're talking Ferrari and Pantera range.

Not the top models, of course, but at least a Dino 308.

Assuming I could unload the stuff without being nailed.

Wouldn't work, of course. That kind of pricing would make the Black-Market Thrive.

Cap - 1-24-2011 at 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
To say that sending dollars to sicarios jefes y halcones in Mexico is "OK" because the "Drugs Don't Hurt Anybody" is like sending envelopes of money to Al Qaeda under the guise of "Religous Freedom".

Funny thing, I don't infringe on the rights of dopers or cartel operatives (while I'm in Mexico) but they sure step all over my rights.

"It Is My RIGHT to F--- You Up"

Somebody needs medication for active psychosis and it sure as hell isn't me.

I agree that sending money to drug cartels is a bad thing (read the whole thread ). If you legalize these drugs, we would instantly put traffickers out of business. Afterall, how many bootlegging operations survived the repeal of prohibition. It would also have the added benefit of keeping the government out of our business. You can't legislate common sense. If an adult wants to poison themself, that's their right. The second they harm someone else they give up their own rights, and we should $h17 hammer them.

Now before you respond, please stop a minute and think. Alchoholism has been on the decline since prohibition. Gangsters were shooting up the streets over turf to sell whiskey. See any parallels ?

Top End

wessongroup - 1-24-2011 at 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
GREAT IDEA.

I could make a fortune. Forget the Restored '65 Mustang I want. We're talking Ferrari and Pantera range.

Not the top models, of course, but at least a Dino 308.

Assuming I could unload the stuff without being nailed.

Wouldn't work, of course. That kind of pricing would make the Black-Market Thrive.

Just think with the "black market"... you could "shoot" for the top, sorry for the pun...

Hear that a package of "smokes" in prison are up to $400 - $500

[Edited on 1-25-2011 by wessongroup]

High Prices in the Slam

MrBillM - 1-25-2011 at 10:34 AM

Good thing I don't Smoke.

What's Beer going for ? Could I afford my one every day or so ?

Cable TV ?

DENNIS - 1-25-2011 at 10:43 AM

No smoking or drinking allowed on death-row. They say it's bad for their health. :lol:

DENNIS - 1-25-2011 at 10:48 AM

On the other hand, smoking and drinking products are offered freely at Gitmo. Millions of dollars have been added to their budget to cover these expenses.

captkw - 1-25-2011 at 07:39 PM

mrbillm...would you please post a bigger pic of your dog,thank's.......look's great!!!!!

Woooosh - 1-26-2011 at 11:06 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110126/lf_afp/boliviaunhealthl...

Coca-chewing Bolivians press for end to UN ban. I kinda like the idea- you can only get as high as you can chew. Dentists will love it too. (note the lady in the back of the photo with leaves stuffed in her mouth though). :saint:

[Edited on 1-27-2011 by Woooosh]

fishabductor - 1-26-2011 at 11:27 PM

this guy has no issues with what cokes made out of.
http://jalopnik.com/5704340/this-man-swallowed-an-entire-bag...

Woooosh - 1-26-2011 at 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by fishabductor
this guy has no issues with what cokes made out of.
http://jalopnik.com/5704340/this-man-swallowed-an-entire-bag...

Too funny. That why going back to just coca leaves has some merit. I'm sure he was the life of the cell block.

fishabductor - 1-27-2011 at 05:55 PM

It cracks me up everytime I look at him. The funniest thing is that it is true.