BajaNomad - Cancer Treatment Centers in TJ

Cancer Treatment Centers in TJ

toneart - 1-16-2011 at 04:20 PM

Gypsy Jan wrote in the MLK string:

"Coretta Scott King, after traditional U.S. medical treatments failed her, sought refuge in Rosarito for alternative medical treatment? Sadly, her illness was so advanced she died shortly after arrival."

Does anyone know if any of those alternative cancer treatment centers in TJ and Rosorito are still operational? I knew a woman who was healed in one. It was operated by a beloved doctor who also played the guitar and serenaded his patients.

They are considered unorthodox by some and for others, they insist that they perform miraculous healing.They are not bound by the restrictive, expensive and conventional AMA cabal.

If so, what do you know or hear about them, reputation wise? :?:

DavidE - 1-16-2011 at 04:35 PM

One suggestion is to ask a reputable Mexican M.D. what he or she thinks of whatever clinic you're think about. I've found most Mexican doctors to be brutally honest about other doctors and hospitals.

Like anything else related to the field of medicine, what you see is what you get. There is a popular saying that goes "When a rich gringo becomes sick beyond the help of American hospitals he goes to Mexico, when rich Mexicans get gravely ill they head to the "United States".

A doctor that I've trusted for thirty years is Dr. Marco A. Molina Collins, in Ensenada. He works at the IMSS hospital and sidelines at his office near the hospital. He speaks English and is one of the few truly gifted medicos that I have ever dealt with.

Bajahowodd - 1-16-2011 at 04:38 PM

I posted on that other thread. Noting that Steve McQueen's treatment regimen consisted of such things as coffee enemas, frequent showers and the administration of laetrile. We all know how well that went.

That said, in this serendipitous world, there continues to be unexplained results from unconventional treatment. However, granting that anyone who is faced with a grave diagnosis will understandably grasp at any possible alternative, I have to believe that there is no plausible reason that the medical community in the US would suppress information that has any track record of success. If you can cure cancer with coffee enemas, and make a profit, everyone would be at Starbucks for the raw ingredients.

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toneart - 1-16-2011 at 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I posted on that other thread. Noting that Steve McQueen's treatment regimen consisted of such things as coffee enemas, frequent showers and the administration of laetrile. We all know how ell that went.

That said, in this serendipitous world, there continues to be unexplained results from unconventional treatment. However, granting that anyone who is faced with a grave diagnosis will understandably grasp at any possible alternative, I have to believe that there is no plausible reason that the medical community in the US would suppress information that has any track record of success. If you can cure cancer with coffee enemas, and make a profit, everyone would be at Starbucks for the raw ingredients.

Skipjack Joe - 1-16-2011 at 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by toneart

Does anyone know if any of those alternative cancer treatment centers in TJ and Rosorito are still operational? I knew a woman who was healed in one. It was operated by a beloved doctor who also played the guitar and serenaded his patients.

Yesterday's paper said that the late pope John Paul is being canonized for healing someone with Parkinsons.

Perhaps we should submit the good doctor's name to the Catholic Church. One more miracle and he's eligible for sainthood.

OK, My Very Small Two Cents Opinion

Gypsy Jan - 1-16-2011 at 05:28 PM

First start with Hospital Angeles. Ask them for referrals, they can help you in English.

Second or maybe first, start with Cento Medico Excel - hey. they did my double heart bypass and I am still annoying you guys.

Sallysouth - 1-16-2011 at 06:14 PM

Why would one want to go to Mexico for cancer treatment?Only if said person has been deemed inoperable or something else?(untreatable?) What I do know is that the Cancer treatment Center here in So. Cal has healed my daughter, and it didn't cost a penny.There is so much new information and many different treatments that they are using now.I would like to know the pros and cons of going to TJ or Rosarito for cancer treatments.We never know when or if it will be us or a loved one.....the more info the better.

DENNIS - 1-16-2011 at 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Sallysouth
Why would one want to go to Mexico for cancer treatment?

Last resort. It's a sickening thing.

stevelaubly - 1-16-2011 at 08:15 PM

Crappichino?

[Edited on 1-17-2011 by BajaNomad]

DENNIS - 1-16-2011 at 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE

He works at the IMSS

one of the few truly gifted medicos that I have ever dealt with.

That is probably one of the most blatant oxymarooons to come my way in my life.

Social Security???? Gifted medico???????............Please..

More body bags roll out their back door in a month than came out of Saigon in a year. The place is a death sentance.

stevelaubly - 1-16-2011 at 08:20 PM

There's another place in SD which I have heard nothing but good news and praise for curing cancer: http://gerson.org/GersonTherapy/gersontherapy.htm

DENNIS - 1-16-2011 at 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by stevelaubly
There's another place in SD which I have heard nothing but good news and praise for curing cancer: http://gerson.org/GersonTherapy/gersontherapy.htm

"The Gerson Therapy is a state of the art, contemporary, alternative and natural treatment which utilizes the body's own healing mechanism in the treatment and cure of chronic debilitating illness."
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I repell from claims such as this. If the body had such healing mechanisms, it wouldn't need the parasitic assistance of Gerson.
Crap like this is no better than the Donsbach method in Rosarito.
How they avoid the scrutiny of the law is beyond me.

krafty - 1-16-2011 at 10:20 PM

We know several folks that came down as a last resort-sadly I can not think of one that is still with us

toneart - 1-16-2011 at 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by Sallysouth
Why would one want to go to Mexico for cancer treatment?Only if said person has been deemed inoperable or something else?(untreatable?) What I do know is that the Cancer treatment Center here in So. Cal has healed my daughter, and it didn't cost a penny.There is so much new information and many different treatments that they are using now.I would like to know the pros and cons of going to TJ or Rosarito for cancer treatments.We never know when or if it will be us or a loved one.....the more info the better.

"I would like to know the pros and cons of going to TJ or Rosarito for cancer treatments.We never know when or if it will be us or a loved one.....the more info the better."- Sally South

This was what I wanted to know too, the pros and the cons.

Looks like most do not give them much credence.

:light:

DavidE - 1-16-2011 at 11:46 PM

Sir Dennis,
May I have the opportunity of telling you about a California Health Clinic that had me on the short list to recieve new kidneys because a doctor's finger drifted down one line as she was reading a lab result? Or the cardiologist that placed me on one of the world's most deadly medications (amiodarone) on a maintenance basis simply because "He thought I needed it"?

Doctors are people. Many are imcompetant. Some should go into Real Estate. But I dearly hope when I take the time to list someone who I feel is genuinely endowed with lots of common sense as well as medical knowledge that a fellow forum participant would at least consider the possibility that I happen to know what I am doing. I studied medicine for several years before I became an EMT 2.

I did not endorse the "Importa Madre Su Salud" system. I identified it solely to help anyone interested in obtaining medical help in Ensenada to find a good, reliable English speaking doctor.

Even a really bad automobile repair shop can have a talented mechanic and verse-visa.

Thank you.

stevelaubly - 1-17-2011 at 06:06 AM

Lo Siento, Toneart...I'm still trying to master this !@%&*# copmuter stuff.
steve

stevelaubly - 1-17-2011 at 06:19 AM

>>"I repell from claims such as this. If the body had such healing mechanisms, it wouldn't need the parasitic assistance of Gerson." - Dennis<<<

Most people and even a large perecentaage of physicians don't know how to take care of the human body. They don't know how to turn on the built-in healing mechanisms. Diet and nutrition plays a huge difference in your health and vulnerability to disease. Gerson and others like them use nutrition to cure you. If you get ahold of Dan Buettner's book "Blue Zones". This is an in-depth study of the areas in the world where people regularly live to be over 100 years old. The most glaring commonality among these centurions is their diet... very much like the diet used by Gerson and other Natural and
homeopathic healers. I have seen it work miracles.

DENNIS - 1-17-2011 at 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by DavidE
I did not endorse the "Importa Madre Su Salud" system. I identified it solely to help anyone interested in obtaining medical help in Ensenada to find a good, reliable English speaking doctor.

Even a really bad automobile repair shop can have a talented mechanic and verse-visa.

Thank you.

Well said. Thanks.

vacaenbaja - 1-17-2011 at 09:36 AM

The only time I would go to Mexico or any other country for treatment is
when there is a treatment that has already cured people
outside of the USA, but has not passed trials in the USA yet.
If it appears that it is safe and on the cutting edge of science,
and the disease will most likely kill you before the treatment is approved here. There are lots of places that unfortunately
will offer "cures" just to milk you out of what money you have /or do not have. Reminds me of the Doctors in the Philipines that via slight of hand would pull out all manner of
bloody tissue from your body. Believe it or not!

toneart - 1-17-2011 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by vacaenbaja
The only time I would go to Mexico or any other country for treatment is
when there is a treatment that has already cured people
outside of the USA, but has not passed trials in the USA yet.
If it appears that it is safe and on the cutting edge of science,
and the disease will most likely kill you before the treatment is approved here. There are lots of places that unfortunately
will offer "cures" just to milk you out of what money you have /or do not have. Reminds me of the Doctors in the Philipines that via slight of hand would pull out all manner of
bloody tissue from your body. Believe it or not!

Exactly!

Pescador - 1-17-2011 at 01:57 PM

Tony, check out Quackwatch.com for some really interesting information about the Tijuana and Ensenada medical facilities. Anytime someone reports lots of anecdotal records they always have a lot of cures and information, but when you dig into the info you may come up with different responses to the whole thing.
I have a good friend who had cancer and went to one of the clinics in Tijuana because their theory was that they gave you insulin due to the theory that cancer cells thrive on sugar, and then they would give you very small doses of chemotherapy, which was mostly watered down Cisplatin. Of course they had all the anecdotal information about what was going on but no real data or scientific studies to back up any of that.
When my wife got lung cancer it seems that the reports of all the quacks and alternative medicines came out of the woodworks and a good number of our friends kept sending me all this information about some new "miracle cure". Some even were very offended when I did not run down and get her involved in "coffee enemas" and "vitamin overdoses" and the best of all, ground up tree bark from an Indian Reservation. Mostly what I found was people who were hoping for a "Cure" and people who were willing to step outside of the "Traditional Medicine" alternatives but there was very little if any evidence of effectiveness other than the anecdotal cures.

durrelllrobert - 1-17-2011 at 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by krafty
We know several folks that came down as a last resort-sadly I can not think of one that is still with us

back in the 60s when my father had inoperable cancer I used to take him to the (forgot name) clinc in TJ for laetrile treatments. on the first vist they brpought a frail looking old lady in on a streacher and about 6 vists later I saw walk out; but did dhe actually have cancer or was she a plant? all I know is that when my father died they told me that he waited to long to come down :fire:

Paulina - 1-17-2011 at 07:03 PM

My father was diagnosed with cancer. The tumor went from his lungs, up his neck and into his brain. My parents chose to take the TJ route vs. chemo. They lived in their motor home at the border and were bussed across to the cancer doctors daily.

They were told that Western Medicine would be put out of business if the different treatments that were available in TJ were allowed to be used in the U.S. The doctors also did their best to alienate my parents from the rest of our family by saying that we wouldn't understand what they were going through and would only care about the $ they were spending.

After months of treatment and thousands of dollars he wasn't getting better, at least in our eyes. The doctors had them convinced that the reason he was having seizures and lost the ability to talk was because the treatments were doing their job by shrinking the tumor, leaving air in the spaces were the tumor used to be.

The time came that they moved my dad from his motor home to a clinic in TJ where he could get closer attention as he improved.

When I got the call from my mom to come take them home I found them in a piece of sheit, hole in the ground, old motel in the bowels of TJ. It was around midnight so no doctors were on duty. The "clinic" was empty of any medical staff. I was able to use the phone at the front desk to call out to the U.S. to our family doctor who was able to pull some strings to get an ambulance from the states to come down and take him home.

I also called the "doctor" who proceeded to tell me that I could not take my dad out of his clinic. He said that he was owed more $ and that if I did try to take him out anyway he would call the Police and the US border officers wouldn't allow him to cross back into the states. He wanted me to wait till morning when he could come down to the clinic and explain what my dad was going though and the progress he had made.

The ambulance was sent from San Diego and crossed through without any issues. We were in Glendale early that next morning.

He died three days later.

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DENNIS - 1-17-2011 at 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina

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Sad Sad story. I am so sorry.

Sallysouth - 1-17-2011 at 08:07 PM

Oh Crap.Thats a horiffic story, but very believable.Musta been very tough and painful for you and your family.So sorry Paulina.Thanks for sharing.

krafty - 1-17-2011 at 08:23 PM

Paulina-lost my mom to lung cancer as well, which metastisized into colon cancer-terrible couple of years-I feel for you. Thank you for sharing

toneart - 1-17-2011 at 10:08 PM

Paulina; Krafty; Pescador, and others-

I am very sorry for your losses.

When I initiated this string I was just curious because I had known a woman who said she was cured by Dr. Contreras. I accompanied her to the clinic (in the late 1980s) and saw lots of hopeful people undergoing infusions. Dr. Contreras was a kind person.

The extent of my inquiries was merely curiosity about whether they are still in practice and what the reputations were.

I thought we could all benefit from the information.You never know. I am skeptical by nature. It seems like there are a lot more like me. One needs to sort through the experiences and weigh the biases of others.

Thank you for your responses. I hope it didn't unnecessarily dredge up any unhappy experiences in your memories.