BajaNomad - Unwanted visitors

Unwanted visitors

Russ - 1-21-2011 at 07:51 AM

OK, so maybe they aren't the visitors and I am but I live here now and waking up at 4am to these pillagers of the seas in my front yard with their generators overpowering the mornings stillness isn't appreciated. :fire:

Nice photo opp though:

DENNIS - 1-21-2011 at 07:55 AM

Those would be great shots if not for what they're doing.
So sad to see this carnage.

Ken Bondy - 1-21-2011 at 08:09 AM

Nice shots Russ. Dennis nailed it, the damage they do to the ocean is incalculable.

Cypress - 1-21-2011 at 08:12 AM

Russ, Neat photos. Thanks. Wonder if they're catching many shrimp?

Paulina - 1-21-2011 at 08:15 AM

What the boys said, beautiful photos but what an ugly business.

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Russ - 1-21-2011 at 08:32 AM

Digital cameras are a snap shooters dream!
I think the shrimpers are doing OK because these same boats have made at least 4 trips this season. They've spent about 4 days/nights working and are back in another 4 days. This morning 2 of the 4 boats have left their anchorage out front. The one with the noisy generator is still at anchor. One headed North and the other is heading into Concepcion Bay.

DianaT - 1-21-2011 at 09:13 AM

I really like all the photos---number 3 is my favorite and I hate what they are doing! Sad they are there!

sanquintinsince73 - 1-21-2011 at 10:27 AM

What are these boats doing?

Cypress - 1-21-2011 at 12:58 PM

They anchor-up during the day and shrimp at night.

David K - 1-21-2011 at 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT
I really like all the photos---number 3 is my favorite and I hate what they are doing! Sad they are there!

Shrimp doesn't just hop onto the plate from thin air when people want to eat...

drarroyo - 1-21-2011 at 01:08 PM

Just awesome to see Nomads commenting on these activities, and to also know that said Nomads are not eating these shrimp (c-ckroach of the sea!) ... oh wait... :tumble:

[Edited on 1-21-2011 by drarroyo]

David K - 1-21-2011 at 01:10 PM

Somebody is eating shrimp, otherwise those fishermen wouldn't be shrimping out there... Have you seen Forrest Gump? :rolleyes:

Cypress - 1-21-2011 at 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Shrimp doesn't just hop onto the plate from thin air when people want to eat...

Have shrimped in the past. It's not easy work. Lot's of variables, such as net structure, trawling speed, and much more, the difference between a paycheck or a water-haul.

David K - 1-21-2011 at 01:20 PM

Aren't there new methods that don't rape the bottom of everything?

Cypress - 1-21-2011 at 01:38 PM

Yea, don't know the details, but they are supposed to reduce the bycatch, which is mostly juvenile fish, by about 30%. Excluder devices allow turtles and larger fish to escape. They still have to drag the bottom, like a giant rake sweeping it clean. If you eat shrimp, you're supporting them.

DianaT - 1-21-2011 at 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Somebody is eating shrimp, otherwise those fishermen wouldn't be shrimping out there... Have you seen Forrest Gump? :rolleyes:

I am sure you relate to Forrest Gump very well.

David K - 1-21-2011 at 02:06 PM

Just dealing with facts, not emotional name calling... just the facts. It might be hard for you, but I think you can do it... ! :light:

Bajahowodd - 1-21-2011 at 02:33 PM

Frankly, although I have eaten them on occasion, I have never seen why they are so popular. It's always been take or leave it for me.

Cypress - 1-21-2011 at 02:50 PM

Shrimp are great, any way you fix 'em. Bubba knew what he was talking about. The shrimp from the Gulf of Mexico are especially good, so are the oysters.

Had a half gallon of 'em from down in Bubba's area a couple of weeks ago. Sweet and salty!

Bajahowodd - 1-21-2011 at 05:58 PM

No disrespect, seriously. But any food that cannot stand by itself, just gives me pause. Just wondering how many people would eat plain shrimp. Seems to me that they are eaither eaten as an appetizer with c-cktail sauce and maybe lime, and when cooked, are almost always bathed in butter and garlic. I just don't think they can stand alone. I could probably cook my athletic socks in enough butter and garlic to make them edible.

Just my opinion. But when you consider that you can have a great fish filet, or a steak without the butter and garlic, what can I say?

Bajamatic - 1-21-2011 at 06:08 PM

ohhh. I couldn't disagree more. Fresh shrimp, no marinade, straight on a searing hot grill and cooked just enough so they burst open when you eat em. Thats good stuff. Now. Add some marinade and a little guac, a little heat, a dash of lemon, wrap it up and try not to drool.

DENNIS - 1-21-2011 at 06:16 PM

So.....this thread has morphed from the interpretation of the activities of fishing boats to recipe comparisons.
You cooks should be so proud.

BajaWarrior - 1-21-2011 at 06:16 PM

We got 'em too Russ. Sometimes there are up to 20 of them and they park directly in front of my house!

Russ - 1-21-2011 at 06:30 PM

I think SF probably has quite a few more than here and I hope they are dragging a huge area. Here they drag in front of the Bahia Concepcion, a relatively small area.
The 2 boats that didn't leave have still not gone out and it's dark. They usually leave before dark. And it's calm tonight.

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BajaWarrior - 1-21-2011 at 07:39 PM

Told ya, close to 20 of the buggers right in front of my house...

drarroyo - 1-21-2011 at 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by drarroyo
Just awesome to see Nomads commenting on these activities, and to also know that said Nomads are not eating these shrimp (c-ckroach of the sea!) ... oh wait... :tumble:

[Edited on 1-21-2011 by drarroyo]

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Originally posted by David K
Somebody is eating shrimp, otherwise those fishermen wouldn't be shrimping out there... Have you seen Forrest Gump? :rolleyes:

aaahhhhh yyyeeea that was kinda the point .... oh never mind einstein

toneart - 1-21-2011 at 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
I think SF probably has quite a few more than here and I hope they are dragging a huge area. Here they drag in front of the Bahia Concepcion, a relatively small area.
The 2 boats that didn't leave have still not gone out and it's dark. They usually leave before dark. And it's calm tonight.

[Edited on 1-22-2011 by Russ]

That is really a travesty! Bahia Concepcion was just starting to come back after being totally fished out years ago. Pendejos! :fire:

If one accidently gets blown up, they make good fish reefs, though. :light:

David K - 1-21-2011 at 08:15 PM

So what is stopping the government from closing off Bahia Concepcion to commercial fishing including scallops/ clams?

They did it for Loreto...

Marc - 1-21-2011 at 08:25 PM

Steinbeck was b-tching about the same thing in 1941.

David K - 1-21-2011 at 08:48 PM

That was a great book!

I love shrimp

mcfez - 1-22-2011 at 01:46 AM

Overfishing is the real issue. Restrictions are now being played out at certain spots in the world, kalifornia particular....and the fish are making a come back in numbers.

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Cypress - 1-22-2011 at 06:10 AM

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Originally posted by mcfez
Overfishing is the real issue. Restrictions are now being played out at certain spots in the world, kalifornia particular....and the fish are making a come back in numbers.

Restrictions have brought the fisheries in the northern Gulf of Mexico back from the brink. Other than the pelagics, the Sea of Cortez has already been depleted. Unless drastic steps are taken, there's no chance of recovery.

Russ - 1-22-2011 at 07:09 AM

I believe there are regulations already on the books that would lighten the destruction of the fisheries but there is no enforcement of regulations. In this area anyway. It's not just the big boats there are hundreds if not thousands of pangas here and if the calimari fishery doesn't support them then they fish or use nets to reap what they can to survive.

sanquintinsince73 - 1-22-2011 at 07:29 AM

I am assuming that all or most of this shrimp is consumed in Mexico. The shrimp that I buy at Luckys and Vons is farm raised or imported from Thailand or Viet Nam.

David K - 1-22-2011 at 08:28 AM

Alfonsina's buys their shrimp right from the boats that anchor in Gonzaga Bay... Doesn't get much fresher than that!

Here Roy 'TheSquareCircle' digs into his Garlic Shrimp dinner at Alfonsina,s (Nov., 2006).

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July, 2005:

We join Bob H, Hook, Baja Nomad, Baja Cactus, and their
families for dinner Saturday at 'La Bocana Beach Restaurant',
located in front of the Motel Sinahi. Excellent food... (update: not recently)

[Edited on 1-22-2011 by David K]

mcfez - 1-22-2011 at 08:54 AM

I think my meal plate picture looked better than yours, David K

David K - 1-22-2011 at 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by mcfez
I think my meal plate picture looked better than yours, David K

Those weren't mine... I totally boycott the senseless murder of little shrimp and the raping of the ocean floor to line the pockets of capitalist pigs!!!

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NOT !!! :lol:

Shrimp dinner at El Patron in Mulege, on the beach (July, 2009)!

Lista - 1-22-2011 at 09:19 AM

After a great day of fishing the Islas Encantadas, on the way home an off shore wind kicked up like crazy... the shrimper that was near by sung over, got us on his boat, hooked on to the panga and whipped up a batch of agua chile served with coffee cups full of tequila! Great guys, great food!

PS Mcfez and David K thanks for the photos, a nice shrimp omelet sounds good right about now....
Also, you can also by Mexican shrimp from cisco...

bajajudy - 1-22-2011 at 10:18 AM

Ah agua chile....my favorite shrimp dish...no cooking required, just really fresh shrimp.
I also like shrimp ceviche, again no cooking.
Most people overcook them anyway.

krafty - 1-22-2011 at 10:41 AM

I make a mean pasta dish with fresh tomatoes grilled and shrimp-add some garlic and wine......yum

BajaWarrior - 1-22-2011 at 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
So.....this thread has morphed from the interpretation of the activities of fishing boats to recipe comparisons.
You cooks should be so proud.

Mulegena - 1-22-2011 at 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
I believe there are regulations already on the books that would lighten the destruction of the fisheries but there is no enforcement of regulations. In this area anyway. It's not just the big boats there are hundreds if not thousands of pangas here and if the calimari fishery doesn't support them then they fish or use nets to reap what they can to survive.

From what I understand backhanders are being given to the municipality to turn a blind eye to this. These boats come from Sinaloa I've been told.

While on a kayak tour with Eco-Mundo some 20 years ago, Roy our host and guide, told us about the long-line practices which you'll see all over the Sea of Cortez. I've chosen to not eat shrimp since that education.

This is horribly destructive and within the Bay of Conception, illegal. To stop this practice and restore the seas, don't buy the product, imo.

[edited to re-write one sentence which was hard to comprehend.
On re-reading it my head spun around.]

[Edited on 1-22-2011 by Mulegena]

[Edited on 1-22-2011 by Mulegena]

bajafam - 1-22-2011 at 09:49 PM

hmm...so you mean to tell me that overfishing is damaging to the ocean? Where's Skeet when you need him??????????????

I'm not going to lie, I LOVE shrimp! But what we buy generally is farm-raised. Did you know there are 4 shrimp farms in Arizona?

GrOUper-GAr - 1-23-2011 at 06:16 AM

... I can't resist when MY GirL serves Shrimp.

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mcfez - 1-23-2011 at 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by GrOUper-GAr
... I can't resist when MY GirL serves Shrimp.

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[Edited on 1-23-2011 by GrOUper-GAr]

"......McFez's tail is wagging" :bounce:

racheldarlin - 1-23-2011 at 08:31 AM

Speaking of "unwanted visitors." The shrimp boat crew is probably looking at the shoreline and ranting about the rape of their land and beaches by nomadic tribes from the north.

toneart - 1-23-2011 at 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by racheldarlin
Speaking of "unwanted visitors." The shrimp boat crew is probably looking at the shoreline and ranting about the rape of their land and beaches by nomadic tribes from the north.

Probably true, although it wouldn't happen without the encouragement from Mexican developers and government entities. Another thing: these "nomadic tribes" are not decimating whole species. They are, however, somewhere in the food chain along with locals.

By the way,they bring money and help local economies. Once they break ground, rape and pillage, buy tacos and beans and break wind, they are no longer "Nomadic". Ahhhh....Baja! :cool:

Cypress - 1-23-2011 at 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by toneart

Quote:

Originally posted by racheldarlin
Speaking of "unwanted visitors." they bring money and help local economies. Once they break ground, rape and pillage, buy tacos and beans and break wind, they are no longer "Nomadic". Ahhhh....Baja! :cool:

That's why I keep on moving. :tumble:

wilderone - 1-24-2011 at 09:01 AM

re: export Mexican shrimp - guess where?

By Christine Blank, SeafoodSource contributing editor
30 March, 2010 - The United States’ temporary import ban on wild shrimp from Mexico should have little impact on the U.S. shrimp supply, according to a major supplier.

On Thursday, the U.S. State Department announced that it’s prohibiting Mexico from exporting wild shrimp to the United States, effective 20 April, because a limited number of Mexican trawlers fishing in the Gulf of Mexico and Sea of Cortez are not using turtle excluder devices (TEDs) properly and are inadvertently trapping sea turtles. TEDs are designed to reduce sea turtle mortality. The ban does not include farmed shrimp.

However, Mexico’s wild shrimp season ended in March, and the certification allowing Mexico to export wild shrimp to the United States may be re-instated by this fall.

“If the certification became re-instated in October, like the Mexican government and vessel owners expect, the volume exported to the United States will not be affected,” Rodrigo de la Serna, procurement manager for Ocean Garden Products, told SeafoodSource. The San Diego-based company is one of the country’s largest importers of wild Mexican shrimp.

The Gulf of Mexico shrimp season typically begins in July, and the Sea of Cortez shrimp fishery starts in August or September.

“Hopefully, the volume will not be affected if we have a quick response and if the results of [State Department] inspections are acceptable,” said de la Serna.

The U.S. government is working with the Mexican government to improve Mexico’s shrimp-trawl program and seek re-instatement of the certification.

“The State Department can make certification decisions at any time of the year,” said State Department spokesperson Noel Clay. “The annual certification called for in Section 609 is due to the Congress by 1 May of each year, but decisions to certify or to withdraw certification are often made at other times, based on evidence of country-wide compliance or non-compliance. We’re working with the government of Mexico to minimize the decertification period and to renew Mexican shrimp export certification as quickly as possible pursuant to the mandate of U.S. law.”

To that end, the Mexican government, with support from the United States, is implementing a 2010-2012 TED Usage Program, said De La Serna. The program will re-train fishermen about the “importance of the right use of TEDs,” explained de la Serna. “Then, we expect the Mexican fisheries will perform without endangering the marine turtles.”

Mexico exported more than 90 million pounds of shrimp — wild and farmed — to the United States last year, making the country the United States’ No. 6 shrimp supplier, behind Thailand, Indonesia, Ecuador, Vietnam and China.

GrOUper-GAr - 1-24-2011 at 02:45 PM

Yea, I hear ya...
most of the time I pass on the Shrimp.(various reasons)

But, When my GiRL says:

"Shrimp !S Served"

Who am I to say 'no' ?

plus,
these babys are Eco-NeuTraL

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