BajaNomad - You Want An Example Of Why The Cops And Military Are Nervous?

You Want An Example Of Why The Cops And Military Are Nervous?

DavidE - 1-24-2011 at 11:43 AM

Borderland Beat

JANUARY 24, 2011

"Now It's San Luis Potosi"

So far Baja is blessed. Mex 57 and 57 D is one the two principal north south routes for mainland Mexico. The incident happened around eleven AM, not at night.

Want to do something constructive?
Ask whoever is involved within a circle of friends or acquaintances not NOT purchase Mexican marijuana, but instead if they must smoke, choose california or US product.

DENNIS - 1-24-2011 at 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by DavidE
Want to do something constructive?
Ask whoever is involved within a circle of friends or acquaintances not NOT purchase Mexican marijuana, but instead if they must smoke, choose california or US product.

Arn't the cartels growing in California now? Heard they were.

bajaguy - 1-24-2011 at 11:58 AM

Cartels are growing marijuana in the US on public lands administered by the Forest Service and the BLM.........

BajaBlanca - 1-24-2011 at 11:59 AM

bloodbath.

DENNIS - 1-24-2011 at 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Cartels are growing marijuana in the US on public lands administered by the Forest Service and the BLM.........

WOW...And here we look down on Mexico derisively for not being able to control their problems.

surfer jim - 1-24-2011 at 12:10 PM

I can see it now....car pulls up to a group of "salesmen" standing around on a street corner..."Excuse me sir, can you tell me where that pot was grown".

Nevada

bajaguy - 1-24-2011 at 12:15 PM

In 2010, there were several large grow operations located in Nevada and on the Nevada/California border east of Bishop on the eastern slopes of the White Mountains, and in the Mono Lake area......evidence recovered at the grows indicate the sites were being managed/cultivated by Hispanics who live on-site.

Grows have also been found in National Park sites in California.

In one instance in north-central Nevada, a BLM survey crew was threatened by a group of Hispanics with guns.......when BLM and the local Sheriff's office went back to the area, they found a substantial grow operation along a stream bed.

[Edited on 1-24-2011 by bajaguy]

motoged - 1-24-2011 at 12:32 PM

The vast majority of pot grown in the USA and Canada is grown indoors (better product as grow conditions are managed with more controls over light, temperature, and nutrients ...and usually there are fewer deer and hikers in the house than outdoors).

Outdoor grows are usually on state land as there is more state forest than private forest. It is rare for growers to camp full-time by their grow as that makes them more susceptible to arrest and prosecution....drip systems w/timers (ask DK about the technology :biggrin:

)....Mexicans camping by and maintaining outdoor grows is more likely an indication of their residency and their immigration status than an indication the cartels are their bosses. It is more likely US/Canadian gangs (Hells Angels, etc) are behind US/Can grows as they are the folks that do most of the distribution .

Mexican pot is mediocre at best these days compared to good indoor....but it is way better than the stems and seeds shyte of days gone by (even though it is still seedy). Mex isn't trimmed like the good stuff, so it still contains lumber

.

You can't stop it....better to manage it :light:

For the 12-Steppers and Abstinence folks.....a "disease" is never cured....only managed. :saint:

[Edited on 1-24-2011 by motoged]

[Edited on 1-24-2011 by motoged]

DavidE - 1-24-2011 at 12:40 PM

The stuff grown north of the border is a drop in the bucket compared to what comes in from the south. The whole idea of people not caring what destruction their habit causes and the danger it puts me in living in Mexico makes me ----! Talk about stepping on people's civil rights! The "Uncaring Potsmoker" is as foul as what the worst slaveholder was, a sniveling hedonist who could care less if anyone else lives or dies. What a disgrace our soceity has become.

DENNIS - 1-24-2011 at 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
What a disgrace our soceity has become.

Indeed it has. At least we can thank the slaveholders for decent Hawaiian shirts. Them potsmokers ain't contributed nuthin.

DavidE - 1-24-2011 at 01:35 PM

Now Dennis, I said "UNCARING Potsmoker" with the word THE in front to designate and deliniate some folks from others. If a person could say "Well I definetly know where my stuff comes from and it ain't Mexico" that would be a heck of a lot better than "Who The Hell Cares?"

DENNIS - 1-24-2011 at 01:53 PM

You're asking for quality control rather than quantity control. Are the dope-addled masses capable of such distinctions? :smug:

DENNIS - 1-24-2011 at 02:00 PM

Another thing...Over here on your left we have a "Hilo Hattie All Cotton Hawaiian Shirt" and on your right, a "Hunter S. Thompson Hemp Potato Bag Shirt."
Which one will you pick?

Bajahowodd - 1-24-2011 at 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
You're asking for quality control rather than quantity control. Are the dope-addled masses capable of such distinctions? :smug:

And, to expand on what soulpatch stated, Dennis, you would be amazed at the sophistication of the medical marijuana dispensaries and the range of properties ascribed to the different products they sell. Sure, there may be some fly by night operations around, but most are incredibly professionally run.

Martyman - 1-24-2011 at 04:52 PM

People in California do not smoke mexican weed. What do you think we're a bunch of losers? I care about my weed.

Baja&Back - 1-24-2011 at 09:19 PM

B.C. Bud is the best.

motoged - 1-24-2011 at 09:24 PM

Ssssshhhhhhhh !!! :cool:

TonyC - 1-24-2011 at 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Arn't the cartels growing in California now? Heard they were.

YES, and not just pot....labs also.

Dave - 1-25-2011 at 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by TonyC
YES, and not just pot....labs also.

I am sooo high right now...you would not believe

Mulegena - 1-25-2011 at 12:49 AM

hehehehe... laughed so loud I woke the dog!

Mulegena - 1-25-2011 at 12:56 AM

Sorry, fun is fun and the photo of the labrador retriever and the pun was humorous.

The horrible tragedy that occurred on the ballcourt is disturbing. So sad such a thing would happen, an outrage.

My condolences to the town, friends and families who have lost their loved ones.

It's a huge Mexican Industry, right in the ole USA

tripledigitken - 1-25-2011 at 05:20 AM

"Vast amounts of pot are still smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. Federal officials report nearly daily hauls of several hundred to several thousand pounds seized along the border. But drug agents say the boom in domestic growing is a sign of diversification by traffickers."

Interesting read..................

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/01/national/main62551...

mcfez - 1-25-2011 at 07:44 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Arn't the cartels growing in California now? Heard they were.

Dont know DENNIS......come up here in your motor home and we both will head into Humboldt to check on that......and gather up evidence.

Seems to me the Cartels have easier places to grow pot. Belize being one area...

I believe the Mexican pot growers in California may just be smaller organized outlaw groups, on the most part.

Fighting the Good Fight

MrBillM - 1-25-2011 at 10:39 AM

One Author and "Expert" this a.m. was asked if the Calderon Government was doing all they could and he answered with "Well, they Want to be Seen as having done all they could while Failing since it's in their best economic interests to continue receiving support from the U.S. while not actually eradicating the problem which is also to their economic interests".

Interesting Take.

durrelllrobert - 1-25-2011 at 11:30 AM

" It is more likely US/Canadian gangs (Hells Angels, etc) are behind US/Can grows as they are the folks that do most of the distribution ."

just watched special on TV about this and a requirement to be an undercover agent for DEA in US infiltration of pot farms is speaking fluent spanish. Nobody on any of the growing sites that were raided spoke english (or at least didn't on camera)

toneart - 1-25-2011 at 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
One Author and "Expert" this a.m. was asked if the Calderon Government was doing all they could and he answered with "Well, they Want to be Seen as having done all they could while Failing since it's in their best economic interests to continue receiving support from the U.S. while not actually eradicating the problem which is also to their economic interests".

Interesting Take.

I wish I weren't so cynical, but I think this is sadly true, on both sides of the border. This is the economic overview at the top levels in my opinion. It is an industry.

Oh, the dogs at the enforcement level still do their thing, but that is what they are supposed to do. And they have pretty good job security while doing it.

BajaGringo - 1-25-2011 at 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Arn't the cartels growing in California now? Heard they were.

My son-in-law works in law enforcement, his main job to locate and destroy the marijuana crops growing in home basements and throughout many of our national forests. In spite of adding more and more resources to the effort, it is one they simply cannot keep up with.

They used to be able to just monitor electric bills to ¨weed out¨ the home growers but solar has now made that much more difficult.

The guys growing in the forests probably started out as splinter/outlaw groups but are quickly becoming much more organized.

I say just legalize it and let the potheads do what they will find a way to do anyway. Tax it and maybe save a few more from dying in this non winnable war.

But what do I know...

[Edited on 1-25-2011 by BajaGringo]

toneart - 1-25-2011 at 12:19 PM

Personally, I haven't smoked it in years...decades. That is not a moralistic stand against pot per se. I have never smoked cigarettes and I don't like ingesting any kind of smoke into my lungs.

I am a creative person and can invoke the muses without pot, although a brownie now and then doesn't hurt. I released the restraints that bound my brain years ago and allowed myself to engage in Bacchanalian dance levitations with my muses, and maidens of the flesh as well. :bounce:

I suspect my brain cells have been rearranged according to Quantum Cellular Biology Theory. I know one thing...it doesn't hurt. :spingrin:

To address the morals issue, YES, there is reason, in light of this terrible Mexican Cartel violence, to boycott it if you know or suspect that it comes from Mexico.

But don't pass judgment on those who have a legitimate reason to buy pot from a legal medical dispensary. It is their business to know their sources. If their doctor deems it necessary, I see no reason for the patient to be deprived of it. It has been proven to relieve pain.

Bajahowodd - 1-25-2011 at 12:52 PM

To expand on what Tony said, I have witnessed two close friends encounters with medical marijuana. One, a male veteran of Iraq with PTSD, and the other, a female victim of repeated sexual abuse. Both of these folks spent years working with shrinks and therapists, while taking a panoply of prescription psychotropic drugs. Then, along came medical marijuana. In both cases, these folks were both able to wean themselves off a number of high potency Rx drugs, but also seem much better adjusted in their day to day life.

I'm no health care professional, but I know what I've seen. And I don't do pot.

bajamedic - 1-25-2011 at 01:07 PM

Just a humbly submitted opinion from a Paramedic that has dealt with more death, dyeing and sickness than any human should be exposed to: If it is a medicine, let the FDA treat it like a drug, if it is dope, let law enforcement treat it like it is dope. JH

DENNIS - 1-25-2011 at 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In both cases, these folks were both able to wean themselves off a number of high potency Rx drugs, but also seem much better adjusted in their day to day life.

Aww....c'mon, Howard. Marijuana doesn't adjust anybody to everyday life. It gets people stoned. That's the idea of the stuff.

Here....refresh your memory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FZgErvNTE

mtgoat666 - 1-25-2011 at 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
"Vast amounts of pot are still smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. Federal officials report nearly daily hauls of several hundred to several thousand pounds seized along the border. But drug agents say the boom in domestic growing is a sign of diversification by traffickers."

Interesting read..................

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/01/national/main62551...

If govt is going to allow pot use through lax enforcement against users, might as well legalize the whole process here in US
As it stands now, govt condones pot use through lax enforcement againnst users, and has obsolete laws that allow the biz to flourish untaxed with largest profits reaped outside the country.

The GOP should wake up and realize that if they legalized pot and pot cultivation, the domestic economy in growing areas would boom, and legal transactions would be new taxable transactions.
Legalizing pot in US would lead to a business boom, of similar scale as Al Gore's invention of the internet!

Bajahowodd - 1-25-2011 at 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In both cases, these folks were both able to wean themselves off a number of high potency Rx drugs, but also seem much better adjusted in their day to day life.

Aww....c'mon, Howard. Marijuana doesn't adjust anybody to everyday life. It gets people stoned. That's the idea of the stuff.

Here....refresh your memory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FZgErvNTE

Dennis- How did I know it was gonna be Reefer Madness even before I clicked on the link? :lol:

Stoned? Tell it to someone who was going out of their mind unable to sleep at night without an Ambien and a fistfull of Benadryl. Couple of tokes and night night!

can't resist posting this

tripledigitken - 1-25-2011 at 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In both cases, these folks were both able to wean themselves off a number of high potency Rx drugs, but also seem much better adjusted in their day to day life.

Aww....c'mon, Howard. Marijuana doesn't adjust anybody to everyday life. It gets people stoned. That's the idea of the stuff.

Here....refresh your memory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FZgErvNTE

Dave's not here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6wV7rAKMNE

Woooosh - 1-25-2011 at 02:03 PM

I'm not a doctor, but I think medical pot is fine and a better alternative to some dangerous and addictive Rx drugs. Whatever works for those people suffering and in pain- only they know what works for them. What I don't like about medical pot is the high price charged to those who most need it. I'm not talking about the stoners with a sore knee buying high-grade strains, I'm talking the poor and disabled who need it. The dispensaries will gladly wipe out a disabled person's monthly SS check or debit card on $20/gram+ pot. Most in that income class have gone back to buying pot on the street because it's cheaper. That defeats the whole purpose of the dispensaries. It's not supposed to be a for-profit business- it is supposed to be a legal distubution center. jmho

[Edited on 1-25-2011 by Woooosh]

DENNIS - 1-25-2011 at 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Stoned? Tell it to someone who was going out of their mind unable to sleep at night without an Ambien and a fistfull of Benadryl. Couple of tokes and night night!

People are different. They react to medications in a different way. Especially psych meds. I know. I've been prescribed more brands of crap than would fit on a single shelf in a Thrifty's pharmacy.
Please don't try to convince me that a few tokes on a bong would have solved my problems.

Being Bi-Polar is only one of my problems. When cycled to the low side, the thought of suicide is so inviting that I consider it a reward, but I medicate away from the urge. I also rely on my fears of the unknown to keep me on the right side of the dirt.
Had I known, only a toke or two.........

When my mind spins to the high side, all hell breaks loose and it ain't all bad. On one memorable occasion, I flew from San Diego to Chicago only because that's the only place a plane was going at the moment. First class as well. Kind of fried my American Airlines card.
Anyway, I came to my senses when I crawled up out of a subway tunnel in the middle of Chigago's Harlem. Man...I was most certainly lost.

Immediatly went back to the airport, flew back and had plenty of time to spend the afternoon in TJ where I lost my shoes while I was having my feet shined.

Drove back up home to Capistrano Beach where I collapsed on the couch for a couple of days.

I guess I could have avoided that trip had I just smoked one joint. I didn't know. Nobody told me.

gnukid - 1-25-2011 at 02:18 PM

Let's re-title this thread "The most naive explanations ever thought of for drug trade violence".

DENNIS - 1-25-2011 at 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
It's not supposed to be a for-profit business- it is supposed to be a legal distubution center. jmho

Who's going to operate a business for nothing? That kind of reasoning will suggest to some that the government should do it and you know their rendition of "for nothing."

Woooosh - 1-25-2011 at 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Woooosh
It's not supposed to be a for-profit business- it is supposed to be a legal distubution center. jmho

Who's going to operate a business for nothing? That kind of reasoning will suggest to some that the government should do it and you know their rendition of "for nothing."

Isn't the CA law is written that dispensaries are not for profit? The state of Colorado grows all the pot for their dispensaries in secret warehouses. Then they put cameras in the dispensaries to keep them honest. The state runs a "casino-type" surveillance hub that oversees all the activities in the dispensaries. And the state of CO still makes money.

The cartels use drugs to make money because that's what is easiest right now. In the 1920's the Mafia used alcohol to make money during prohibition- because that's where the easy money was at the time. After prohibition ended the Mafia retooled itself and made it's money on racketeering, extortion and kidnapping. If you think legalizing drugs will stop the cartels and violence you are wrong. They will will just do what the mafia did and we'll see corruption, extortions and kidnappings increase. They aren't going away because it's all they know how to do. Depressing huh?

[Edited on 1-25-2011 by Woooosh]

tripledigitken - 1-25-2011 at 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Woooosh
It's not supposed to be a for-profit business- it is supposed to be a legal distubution center. jmho

Who's going to operate a business for nothing? That kind of reasoning will suggest to some that the government should do it and you know their rendition of "for nothing."

Let's pretend here.............

The government legalizes it. Then come taxes, right?

Please someone tell me why the cartels would stop sending in cheaper pot sold on the underground to undercut the legal variety?????????????

DENNIS - 1-25-2011 at 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Isn't the CA law is written that dispensaries are not for profit?

Could be, but those administrative costs are huge.

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[Edited on 1-25-2011 by DENNIS]

Woooosh - 1-25-2011 at 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Isn't the CA law is written that dispensaries are not for profit?

Could be, but those administrative costs are huge.

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[Edited on 1-25-2011 by DENNIS]

incense, bongs, bean bag chairs, vaporizers, rolling papers and mucho munchies.

Medical marijuana is taxed in Colorado and the Department of Revenue is in charge of policing it with those video cameras. People still buy the commercial grades off the street but then you can't enjoy the $40/gram perfect bud super strains.

BTW: A few months back the Sinaloas dumped high-quality Mexican (Ensenada wine country) chronic on the streets of Rosarito for $50 an ounce to see which street dealers would jump ship to their side. That made things a little bloody for a few weeks. The police gave anyone caught with the Sinaloa chronic pot a really hard time too, not sure why.

taxcutter - 1-29-2011 at 11:17 PM

Man oh man,
I am old!

Hilo Hattie All Cotton Hawaiian Shirt
Yea, I own a couple

PaKalolo commando
I'll take a shaved ice, please.

Still a Nomad rookie
Getting older, but still surfing a short board

Man oh man,
I miss Baja

M

captkw - 1-29-2011 at 11:33 PM

YAA MMANN!!