on jan. 16th at el tule arroyo near shipwreak's they had a 4 hour protest over the digging of proposed huge mine in the seira la laguna,,I did not
attend as several of my friend,s did and vedio taped it...have never seen anything like that down here, ever, these folk's have said a firm NO to the
mine ,,,yet I have not heard a word about this on nomad,,,7000 people is a LOT of people!!! the last gringo gazzit ,no mention of it,but that was a
jan. 17th edition...I don,t know if it was in the local paper or not ,since Im out in the boonies,,one would think so.. and no 7000 is not a strech of
truth ether...they had a lot of speakers and was well organised,did a huge SOS on the beach with different colored shirt's....captkw - 1-29-2011 at 08:26 AM
anybody ??? comeon this is important!!!BajaRat - 1-29-2011 at 08:30 AM
What kind of mine kw?woody with a view - 1-29-2011 at 08:31 AM
in your original post you never asked a question. more of a statement.
you saw the video right? what do you want to know?David K - 1-29-2011 at 08:46 AM
If non-Mexicans get involved in political actions, they can be deported... This isn't Berkeley! captkw - 1-29-2011 at 08:57 AM
a gold mine and no im not into polictick's just love baja and it's people and the seira la laguna,that Im looking at right now, as I am at the base on
the eastern side....and this isnt a little hole in the ground, we are talking about a HUGE strip mineDianaT - 1-29-2011 at 08:58 AM
There was another big protest yesterday with a long convoy of vehicles going from Los Cabos to Todos Santos then on to La Paz. It looked to me to be
mostly Mexicans.DENNIS - 1-29-2011 at 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by monoloco
There was another big protest yesterday with a long convoy of vehicles going from Los Cabos to Todos Santos then on to La Paz. It looked to me to be
mostly Mexicans.
I wonder how many of them are watching their property values swirl down the crapper.fishabductor - 1-29-2011 at 09:55 AM
There is a strong local opposition to the mine(s) I also know people against it, who also attended the event. There have been a few similar cases of
mass opposition in the last few months over the protection of the natural environment. It is very good to see. Many locals understand that tourism is
#1 and if you start destroying the natural beauty or killing off the species they depend on to make a living(fish, whales and other life) that the
tourist will be a thing of the past.
As much as I'd like Mexico to revolt and require more from the Mexican Gov. this is something that would end my life of living in baja. I wouldn't
want to live here with a war going on around me. If I did I would be living in the border regions of mainland Mexico. Nuevo Leon for examplefishabductor - 1-29-2011 at 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by monoloco
There was another big protest yesterday with a long convoy of vehicles going from Los Cabos to Todos Santos then on to La Paz. It looked to me to be
mostly Mexicans.
I wonder how many of them are watching their property values swirl down the crapper.
I don't think this is restricted to Los cabos land owners. I think this is a worldwide phenomenon.DENNIS - 1-29-2011 at 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by fishabductor
I don't think this is restricted to Los cabos land owners. I think this is a worldwide phenomenon.
You mean, like a "Green" effort or something like that? If so, these protestors must all be of school age.wilderone - 1-29-2011 at 10:05 AM
This mine has been discussed at length on this forum in the past. We know of its destructive potential and threat to ground water, etc. I'm very
glad the citizens are taking action. Now if that will transcend corrupt government officials and reach sympathetic ears, maybe the mining can be
stopped. It is, after all, a nature preserve, no? Will SEMARNAT step in?
PS: When is the last time a landowner/gringo got deported for speaking an opinion? Who actually would do this and by what means? Likely would not
happen. Landowner/gringos in the cape region need to speak out.fishabductor - 1-29-2011 at 10:07 AM
this is a "Green" effort....The green comes in the form of dollars made off tourism.DianaT - 1-29-2011 at 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by wilderone
PS: When is the last time a landowner/gringo got deported for speaking an opinion? Who actually would do this and by what means? Likely would not
happen. Landowner/gringos in the cape region need to speak out.
While we will discuss politics, etc. with our local close friends, we are very careful.
As tourists in Zacatecas a number of years ago, we simply watched a parade of protesting teachers and then walked to the square where they were
meeting---all very, very peaceful. We were only there a few minutes when the state police came up to us and asked what we were doing. We acted as if
we really did not know what was going on, but they still made it very clear that we needed to leave the area---we did not argue.
Thus, I would advise caution in joining a protest.bajajazz - 1-29-2011 at 10:14 AM
The Gringo Gazette's January 3rd edition had two well-researched and equally well written articles on the Sierra Laguna goldmine project. I was
pleasantly surprised to see the Gazette publish something that actually approached the level of competent journalism. I doubt if the effort will be
repeated. It's much easier to resort to the smarmy scribblings of David Flores' contemptuous references to various kinds of "huggers" when any item
of environmental concern is addressed.
Yesterday's "Baja Insider" had a good write up about the protest meeting and caravan to the Governor's office in La Paz, claiming attendance of 8,500
people. Also yesterday, I saw what looked to me like six water cannons on a flatbed semi heading from La Paz on the highway south towards Cabo.
My uneducated guess is that the fix is in and the goldmine will proceed.
The reason I think so is evident while driving the streets of La Paz -- election posters and billboards slathered on every available surface. Flags
and loud speakers on car after car. Political booster meetings on street corners all over town. One commercial after another on local television.
Professional campaign consultants brought in from DF. Politicians who haven't smiled in thirty years stalking the streets, house to house, grinning
from ear to ear, selflessly risking the danger of breaking their faces.
Never, since 1987 when I first bought here, have I seen an election like this one. A beaucoup bunch of money is coming from somewhere to finance all
this activity, and it's coming for a reason. The reasons could be:
1) The graft to be extorted by issuance of all the permits the goldmine will require, not only to get started, but to keep running after it's
deleterious effects are being felt on the environment and shutdowns are mandated;
2) Casino gambling is on the way;
3) Fonatur is about to do to La Paz what it did for (and to) Cancun.
4) All of the above.
If anyone with some inside knowledge can educate us further on what's going on around here I'd most certainly appreciate it. We know that the city of
La Paz is broke and there's no way all this election activity is being financed locally. As I said before, the money is coming from somewhere and
it's coming for a reason.captkw - 1-29-2011 at 11:59 AM
yes I read that jan.3rd G.G. and I thought it was rather bias toward's pro mine project.. just seem's to me when you have so many local folk's
(adult"s protesting) that they dont want it..worked on the enlargement at the salt work's in G.N. awhile back,I ,myself hope it dosnt happen,for IF
you want to see a good example of mining go up behind el ttuufo and san jaun de costa to nams a few...fishabductor - 1-29-2011 at 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by captkw
yes I read that jan.3rd G.G. and I thought it was rather bias toward's pro mine project.. just seem's to me when you have so many local folk's
(adult"s protesting) that they dont want it..worked on the enlargement at the salt work's in G.N. awhile back,I ,myself hope it dosnt happen,for IF
you want to see a good example of mining go up behind el ttuufo and san jaun de costa to nams a few...
Go visit any mining town for that matter. It looks like all the nutrients have been sucked out of the soil.
Kellog, Id
Trail, BC
Butte, MT
El triunfo, bcs
These are just a few examples of areas where the land has been destroyed.DENNIS - 1-29-2011 at 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by wilderone
When is the last time a landowner/gringo got deported for speaking an opinion? Who actually would do this and by what means? Likely would not
happen. Landowner/gringos in the cape region need to speak out.
They will deport under certain circumstances but probably not a group. Safety in numbers.
A solo voice won't have what it takes to defend himself if someone with the right phone number wants him out. This I know.
Is the offending party the government or big business or both? I'm guessing both so if foreigners want to protest, protest the actions of the
business and leave the fight against the government to the Nationals.
I don't think there's a regulation stating one can't vocally object to the behavior of a business.wilderone - 1-29-2011 at 07:15 PM
Ironic that the offender is a non-Mexican mining company. But non-Mexicans living in the area to be polluted have no voice? R.O.N.G.monoloco - 1-30-2011 at 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by monoloco
There was another big protest yesterday with a long convoy of vehicles going from Los Cabos to Todos Santos then on to La Paz. It looked to me to be
mostly Mexicans.
I wonder how many of them are watching their property values swirl down the crapper.
Most of the Mexicans
around here have either been in their homes for generations or plan to be so they don't really pay too much attention to property values. The only
time property valuations have spiked in Mexico was due to the real estate bubbles in the US and was probably detrimental to most Mexicans because it
made home ownership more expensive for them.osoflojo - 1-31-2011 at 07:55 PM
Dont count the native Cabenos out. They have been sucessful in the past. Reference Stopping development of Lovers Beach and the Cruise Ship dock. En
Mexico, todo es posible..................Leo - 1-31-2011 at 08:32 PM
captkw, today's new Gringo Gazette has a frontpage article covering the Jan. 16th protest. 9003 people apperntly on the beach with large picture.captkw - 1-31-2011 at 08:36 PM
thank's for the head's up,,, a bunch of us out here in the dess ,,were wondering if the last issue,,,being off by 1 day, had something to do with no
mention of it,,thank you
Protest all you want at the gates ....wont help a lot.
Go to the head of the snake.....and chop there captkw - 2-1-2011 at 07:14 AM
damn it's cold down here this winter!!44 degree's right now at 7 in the morn..anyway thank's for the address's ..I will pass them on to the local
protester's....I like the snake part,my thinking also,,never been to a protest,,but I think people who want to should have that privage protected a
total mundomcfez - 2-1-2011 at 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by captkw
damn it's cold down here this winter!!44 degree's right now at 7 in the morn..anyway thank's for the address's ..I will pass them on to the local
protester's....I like the snake part,my thinking also,,never been to a protest,,but I think people who want to should have that privage protected a
total mundo
"Shareholders" are......
The head of the snake........thats where you strike the axeGeo_Skip - 2-1-2011 at 08:28 AM
Mining....temporary profits with permanent damage! Rarely ever done well!
Local people always suffer both north and south of any border you choose!Leo - 2-1-2011 at 08:26 PM
