BajaNomad - Head missing in Baja Malibu, TJ/Rosarito Beach. (Tourists: It is silver, but not a soccer ball. Please don't let...

Head missing in Baja Malibu, TJ/Rosarito Beach. (Tourists: It is silver, but not a soccer ball. Please don't let...

Woooosh - 1-29-2011 at 11:46 PM

A dismembered body was found near the toll road at the Baja Malibu neighborhood of Rosarito Beach this morning. The article says Baja Malibu is Tijuana, but I think that line moved when Rosarito became an independent city. It doesn't say exactly how close to the toll road the body was. Most of the body parts were found nearby, but the darned head is still missing. I guess it's hard to identify the body without the head. They are usually completely wrapped in silver duct tape with a message written on them.

"If your dog finds it on the beach please call 066, it is not a soccer ball or chew toy. Don't let him carry it back to the states and bury it in your backyard. We would also like to remind tourists the beaches from Tijuana to Rosarito Norte remain closed for the second week due to sewage contamination: you are urged to not touch the sand or water during your visit here. Thank you for visiting Rosarito and please come back soon. This is a Public Service Announcement (PSA) from the "Visit Rosarito, It's Close and It's Safe" Campaign.

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/2901...

TIJUANA, Baja California (PH) (quick Google translation)
A dismembered body was found in the vicinity of the Baja Malibu neighborhood of Playas de Tijuana (Rosarito Beach North), the corpse had no legs or head, and hands were mutilated. At exactly 8:22 hours, reported the grisly find to the Central Dispatch, which specified the location of a lifeless body, said the Attorney General of the State.

Upon arrival, officers immediately viewed the body as it lay on the road, a road that leads to urbi Quinta del Cedro, and noticed he had no limbs, including the head. The legs and arms were found near the body, but the head was not found, plus the body bore stab wounds to the chest.

At the scene of crime, PGJE found a machete and a knife, the body was taken to Medical Examiner by order of Attorney General, to have performed the autopsy.

[Edited on 1-30-2011 by Woooosh]

captkw - 1-30-2011 at 12:00 AM

o-kay..wooosh,,,,I like the name ,,,.remind's me of my skype...is thing's really bad up their????cause I can move farther n or s

Woooosh - 1-30-2011 at 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by captkw
o-kay..wooosh,,,,I like the name ,,,.remind's me of my skype...is thing's really bad up their????cause I can move farther n or s

Nah. It close and it's safe here, just like the newspapers tell you. The way the world is going these days- just crawl under your covers wherever you are and stay there forever. seriously.

You'll likely never see this story in the Union Tribune, maybe the LA Times though. Depends who the head belongs to. If it's a brown head- it will be considered "local interest" and you won't see it in English print anywhere. If it's a white head it'll be on Fox news in the morning in between the Egyptian revolution clips.

Seriously though, it's not dangerous here if you are vigilant in your security and are the type person willing and capable of defending yourself, your property and the people with you. I don't personally think the security situation here is stable enough to be encouraging tourism YET, but no tourists have been killed in narco violence here. They may see things to traumatize them and their children for a lifetime, but it is unlikely they will be killed. That is apparently the 2011 definition of the perfect Baja vacation- "No one got killed, and it you do get hurt, at least you are close to home".

I really don't want to beat this dead horse like on the other thread. It is what it is today. It will change for the better when the new Baja State Police takes over security next year. For now I think access to this type news is not a bad thing and something people should have access to in English. Everyone has their own comfort levels and should have the info they need to make the vacation and retirement plans best suited to them.

But don't let any of this scare you, it's still safer than _________ (insert any City you find the crime stats to support).

[Edited on 1-30-2011 by Woooosh]

I think it's time....

Mexray - 1-30-2011 at 02:03 AM

...to create thousands of new jobs here in the USA making firearms for ALL Mexican citizens below the border!

When all their citizens are properly trained and armed, they'll be able to protect themselves against all the bad guys that have been 'packin' for years...

The Mexican Govt. can buy the firearms for their citizens from us in exchange for crude oil - 'Guns for Oil' will be my new slogan... :rolleyes:

The Wild, Wild West has returned below the border, and the people need a 'fightin' chance... :yes:

JoeJustJoe - 1-30-2011 at 12:32 PM

It looks like another case of drug cartel violence against a junkie selling another cartel's product.

The El Mexicano had a story about this too, and said authorities didn't rule out that the remains are related to a human head found on the bridge that belonged to "distributor" with a narco message a note that justifies the killing.

I'm sure the headless body is drug related because the vast majority of the killings are almost all drug related, and the few American killed in Mexico by the drug cartels are almost always related to drugs.

There are some people out there that would have you believe that you to might end up missing your head if you visit Mexico, but that's simply not the case, although there are a few cases where Americans were killed and were innocent victims or were victims of collateral damage, but that's only a handful of people giving the size of the population you're looking at.

You'll sometimes hear the American expats tell you they are concerned for the American tourists and day trippers who visit places like Tijuana and Rosarito Beach. But their risks are relatively small compared to someone living in those area because many of those places are like living in a ghetto in the states. They suffer from petty crimes like robberies, home invasions, break ins, cars stolen, and especially car stereos stolen.

A day tripper visiting Revolution in Tijuana or having a lobster dinner in Puerto Nuevo should have little to fear when visiting Baja.

jaygarcia - 1-30-2011 at 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
You'll sometimes hear the American expats tell you they are concerned for the American tourists and day trippers who visit places like Tijuana and Rosarito Beach. But their risks are relatively small compared to someone living in those area because many of those places are like living in a ghetto in the states. They suffer from petty crimes like robberies, home invasions, break ins, cars stolen, and especially car stereos stolen.

So then, you're saying it is NOT safe for an American to live in Mexico?

But yesterday you said this:

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoeMexico is not that dangerous for the average Mexican or American expats.

Woooosh - 1-30-2011 at 01:13 PM

Joe is understanding the current situation better, albeit from his remote location. It does not matter who the head belongs to, it is the level of barbaric violence that has come to this "Tourist Zone" that is problematic. I don't doubt for second Joe is correct and the head belongs to someone involved in the drug trade. So what? If your family comes down on a day trip and sees a body hanging from the PeMex bridge (the free road to Rosarito from TJ), or witnesses the shoot out at McDonalds Wessongroup did, what kind of vacation experience is that? The narcos don't shoot and aim their AK47's- they spray a hundred bullets in two seconds. Physically safe and mentally safe are two different things. Most people want to shield their children from such things, not expose them to it. Just wait until Baja is more secure next year and have a positive memory of Baja to share back north, not a horror story.

Guns? Most Mexicans have small calibre guns at home, don't fool yourself. They will tell those they trust only though and no one is going to bring out their .22 handgun to use against a tweeker narco thug sporting an AK-47.

Sadly a tourists will be killed here in time. As I have kept saying, the level of violence in Rosarito is increasing and the new (military trained) Baja State police force is are still a year away. It doesn't matter if they were the target or an innocent bystander. Dead is dead and everyone will act shocked when it does happen here. Nomads won't be shocked. Saddened, but not shocked.

stevelaubly - 1-30-2011 at 01:20 PM

Better check Joe Pesci's duffel bag... :lol:

[Edited on 1-30-2011 by stevelaubly]

JoeJustJoe - 1-30-2011 at 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Joe is understanding the current situation better, albeit from his remote location. It does not matter who the head belongs to, it is the level of barbaric violence that has come to this "Tourist Zone" that is problematic. I don't doubt for second Joe is correct and the head belongs to someone involved in the drug trade. So what? If your family comes down on a day trip and sees a body hanging from the PeMex bridge (the free road to Rosarito from TJ), or witnesses the shoot out at McDonalds Wessongroup did, what kind of vacation experience is that? The narcos don't shoot and aim their AK47's- they spray a hundred bullets in two seconds. Physically safe and mentally safe are two different things. Most people want to shield their children from such things, not expose them to it. Just wait until Baja is more secure next year and have a positive memory of Baja to share back north, not a horror story.

Guns? Most Mexicans have small calibre guns at home, don't fool yourself. They will tell those they trust only though and no one is going to bring out their .22 handgun to use against a tweeker narco thug sporting an AK-47.

Sadly a tourists will be killed here in time. As I have kept saying, the level of violence in Rosarito is increasing and the new (military trained) Baja State police force is are still a year away. It doesn't matter if they were the target or an innocent bystander. Dead is dead and everyone will act shocked when it does happen here. Nomads won't be shocked. Saddened, but not shocked.

I like how Whoosh downplays my past living/ current visiting experience in Mexico. Yet he hangs on every word of Jay Garcia, above who never even visits Mexico at all anymore, and who I doubt even gets out of his house. ( we all know who is playing the part of Jay)

Sorry Jay Garcia, perhaps I'll respond to you when you get 50 posts in? ( you know my rules about talking to trolls with less than 50 posts)

Yes Whooosh it matters who is being killed, because when I read "alarmists" type posts, and I'll now officially refer to you as an "alarmist" you people give the impression that any American could be killed in Mexico when that simply isn't the case. Why don't you get Jay to gather the statistics of all the Americans that got killed in Mexico last year? I think it shows most of them died in traffic deaths.

Well how often do you see a hanging body from a bridge that's not quickly taken down? I don't know about kids today, but when I was a kid I thought see dead bodies was cool. I grew up in a barrio and I saw a few dead bodies and shooting victims when I was a kid.

Nobody wants to see dead bodies, but life goes on. The Tijuana Rosarito need to upgrade themselves and spend a little more money attracting tourists with real tourist attractions. The fact is these places are boring unless you like the night life. It's almost laughable anybody would go to Rosarito Beech for a vacation. At best it's a nice weekend getaway in the summer.

Guns! Tell the American government to stop or at least slow the flow of guns that are going to Mexico from places like Arizona, and Texas.

Feds charge 34 in Arizona gun buys for Mexico drug cartel

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/25/20110125ar...

Here is a great article about El Chapo" and the "Sinaloa cartel" that helps explain a little what's happening in Tijuana as the Sinaloa cartel moves in:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110118/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_dru...

krafty - 1-30-2011 at 02:19 PM

Heard on the box the other evening that if you purchase more than one handgun it has to be reported to the ATF-BUT if you want to purchase 30 AK-47's no report necessary. "Long" guns are only used for hunting. Perhaps when this became a law this was true. No more. Methinks it is high time for this law to be changed- and BTW, this story said that the same group came back several times during the course of 1 day to purchase these arms. And I believe it happened in AZ-with the guns allegedly heading south of the Border. You would think a conscienscious gun store owner would think that someone in charge would be interested in this

motoged - 1-30-2011 at 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh..... the body was taken to Medical Examiner by order of Attorney General, to have performed the autopsy.[Edited on 1-30-2011 by Woooosh]

Hmmmm, I guess they aren't sure of the cause of death