All my life I've used Sampos and have the pointy end facing the running line and the leader on the fat end - now I'm told that this is backward.
Anyone know if there is a preferred way to tie these?
baitcast - 1-30-2011 at 11:53 AM
Not that it means a damn thing but I have always used them the same way,looks good to me
RobRuss - 1-30-2011 at 11:55 AM
I think you've got it right too. Here's a pic of a snap swivel and the pointy end is down.
BillP - 1-30-2011 at 12:03 PM
Hydrodynamically, it would seem the pointy end should go through the water first, with the blunt trailing, like a boat.
Russ, don't those snap swivels seem backwards?Russ - 1-30-2011 at 12:06 PM
Russ, don't those snap swivels seem backwards?
Nope looks like the ones I have sitting in front of me.LancairDriver - 1-30-2011 at 12:07 PM
Just asked an ocean fishing guide here in Oregon. He said the blunt end goes to the leader. Also said it probably doesn't make a noticeable difference
either way.captkw - 1-30-2011 at 12:07 PM
biilp is right and I paint mine, flat blackDiver - 1-30-2011 at 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by BillP
Hydrodynamically, it would seem the pointy end should go through the water first, with the blunt trailing, like a boat.
Hydrodynamically, they would go blunt end toward the reel.
Like a torpedo; the narrowing end is aft to reduce turbulence and drag by maintaining laminar flow as long as possible.
But I agree, with these small swivels, it shouldn't make much difference if any.acadist - 1-30-2011 at 12:20 PM
With a sturdy knot that won't break?
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Originally posted by Santiago
All my life I've used Sampos and have the pointy end facing the running line and the leader on the fat end - now I'm told that this is backward.
Anyone know if there is a preferred way to tie these?
OK - but why is Chark Bait doing it this way?
Santiago - 1-30-2011 at 01:25 PM
Quote "...and we rig it properly with a higher quality Mustad hook and a ball bearing swivel (ours even points the right way...) attached with
welded rings."
Cypress - 1-30-2011 at 01:34 PM
Six of one or a half dozen of the other.Russ - 1-30-2011 at 01:50 PM
I'm SOOOO confused!Santiago - 1-30-2011 at 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by soulpatch
Try them both ways and if you see your fish counts go way up over a long period of time one way vs. the other you might have the answer.
OK, this is what I'll do. I actually have a random noise generator on my boat that you can set the mean elapsed time from 30 seconds to 30 minutes.
The device will beep at random intervals around that mean. I will set it at, say 15 minutes, set out two identical rigs with the only difference
being the swivel direction. At each beep we will switch the rigs from one side of the boat to the other to control preference for port-side or
starboard. And get another Pacifico. After a couple of days we should have it knocked and report back. I love the scientific method.monoloco - 1-30-2011 at 04:20 PM
A couple of days? I would think that a proper study might take many years, and many Pacificos worth of data to stand up to the vigorous peer review
that is certain to follow.fishabductor - 1-30-2011 at 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Russ
I think you've got it right too. Here's a pic of a snap swivel and the pointy end is down.
I've always used swivels as illustrated by russ, my reasoning is that the small end is traveling in a "slip stream" created by the fat end, this helps
keeps crap out of the bearing swivels internals, such as sand. The fat leading end also takes the impact with rocks rather than the swivel end.jbcoug - 1-30-2011 at 09:17 PM
All this discussion has got me thinking. Following much of the thinking expressed, we should apply this concept to another hunting and fishing topic,
archery. From now on I propose we shoot all arrows blunt end first with the pointy end trailing. What do you think, good idea?
Johncaptkw - 1-30-2011 at 09:26 PM
good reply john!!!what I think some of what is missing here is that once you get into the larger line's and leader's it does make a big difference,I
have run boat's from costa rico to alaska and in between...when your chasing black's , blue's it makes a big change in the friction and when your
running a long spread,you do notice little subtle thing's of this nature......not with 30lb test....OUTCypress - 1-31-2011 at 06:30 AM
Regarding snap swivels. I usually cut the "snap" portion off the swivel and tie my line to the swivel portion that remains. Those "snaps" can cause
problems.4baja - 1-31-2011 at 07:33 AM
jim, you got alot of time on your hand!!monoloco - 1-31-2011 at 07:34 AM
I only use these:http://www.leadertec.com/store/product.php?xProd=440 and have never had any problems.Cypress - 1-31-2011 at 07:42 AM
monoloco. Thanks.captkw - 1-31-2011 at 08:35 AM
no thank's ,,not for trolling!!!Cypress - 1-31-2011 at 08:49 AM
captkw, Just snap it on the swivel portion.captkw - 1-31-2011 at 08:59 AM
the less termenal tackle the better,,keep it simple,strong and running sweet !!I wont argue,,but I have been running charters for 30 + yrs and know
very little,,,,but for me I K.i.s.s. any extra knot,swivle,joint,whatever is weaker linewakemall - 1-31-2011 at 08:03 PM
You are running them correctly.wakemall - 1-31-2011 at 08:07 PM
And do not put paint on them.captkw - 1-31-2011 at 08:27 PM
if you cant find the black one's (IGET ROUND) a little paint,let dry,then with two hand's grab the over priced sob and turn each end oppisite
diraction,s,, to brake the paint !!! down here ive caught a many fish with a slow troll and dont like the other un target fish hitting anything
shiny,,,,,ya know....out
Thanks.