BajaNomad - Can anyone from Mulege confirm this story?

Can anyone from Mulege confirm this story?

Santiago - 2-6-2011 at 09:51 AM

From the BajaQuest forums:

Posted February 03, 2011 02:12 PM
So, the saga continues........... First off, please read my original post "THEIVES ABOUND ON BAHIA CONCEPCION" to this whole blog.

I'd posted my epistle about the fact that SOMEBODY KNOWS WHO, and lo! and behold, once the dust settled a little, the truth is even stranger than fiction, and the story right out of a Michael Chrighton novel.

My buddy had his motorcycle ripped off at our beach; he went directly to La Policia Municipal in Mulege and reported it on the day of the robbery, did all the necessary things to get wheels turning. He spent many hours the next few days delivering and posting fliers offering a fairly substantial reward (recompensa) for the return of his bike, including in Loreto and AT the Loreto Municpal Police station. No Officer or Detective came to the beach to investigate or take any evidence whatsoever.

After several days of interfacing with locals and friends (La Gente Mexicanos) of the area, we found out some fascinating facts. The theif is not only well-known, but the WHOLE DAMNED TOWN KNOWS WHO IT IS !! The day after his robbery, he apparently crashed the stolen bike into a cow, and broke an arm, (oh, sorry, not his neck... not enough for me) but his family spread the story he fell off a horse. Now the plot thickens. Through friends WE found out he was in a hospital in La Paz with injuries from "the horse" accident. He is well-known for car theft and theft of all kinds, it's his way of making his living, probably the single most notorious theif of the ENTIRE AREA, been in jail and released several times. Even busted for stealing a motorcycle in Sta. Rosalia earier this year. All the local people I talked to confirmed this guy is just a BAD GUY and probably the one that has hit everything lately, including stealing my outboard and another outboard this last Spring, and probably the theft at Playa Coyote this summer, as well as several others recently. And THE WHOLE TOWN knows, EVERYBODY knows INCLUDING THE LOCAL POLICIA knows 'Koki' (I know his real name, but will withhold it for reasons of possible libel). Heaven forbid there were any kick-backs to allow the theiving to continue.
"So, how much you sell it for?"
"Ten thousand pesos."
''Good, you give me half and I don't arrest you!"
Naw, that would NEVER HAPPEN IN MULEGE. Or Loreto for that matter.

The local Policia Municipal didn't make ANY EFFORT WHATSOEVER to notify my friend that the bike was in CUSTODY IN LORETO and the crime was apparently solved, the bike found and impounded on the 12th, just two days after the robbery... once my friend learned that his bike was found TEN DAYS LATER, and he reported it to the Mulege Policia, they CONFIRMED the bike was in custody, and told him they had photos of the bike but couldn't show them to him for security reasons... we find out the perpetrator's pic is in the local NEWSPAPER (periodico) and the story of the thief 'falling off a horse AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING is there too !! However, NO ARREST OR CHARGES ARE FILED ! So yes, crime is solved. Yes, the exact motorcycle is in Loreto, the U.S. registration confirms it IS the motorcyle that was stolen. The person that crashed the bike is known to be a convicted theif, jailed for the exact same crimes, and multiple ones. Now the same person is free and roaming about Mulege as if nothing has happened.

Once my friend started the recovery process for his bike the red-tape, the 'paperwork' snafu and run-around with appointments with officials showing up late and fees for re-registering the motorcycle onto Mexican registration, and fees for certified translators and multiple trips into town (although the Policia can't afford gas out to our Playa to at least notify that the bike was indeed found) are right out of the Twilight Zone. Three trips into town just to start the paperwork and recovery process only to find there's two trips to Sta. Rosalia to get the Federale's approval and 'rubber stamp', because they also were involved, before a trip to Loreto can be made to recover the stolen property IF all the neccessary paperwork is done, and IF the proper person is there in Loreto to handle the forms and process the paperwork, because he just so happens to be out of town on vacation until the middle of next week, and couldn't be reached by phone or email. On top of all that, there is a citation issued on the bike for being crashed and left on the side of the road which my friend is responsible for and must pay before the bike can be released, even though it was reported stolen two days before the crash.

Then comes a trip to Loreto on the 31st, 3 full weeks after the robbery. We track down and locate the bike at the local impound lot, and after talking with the Policia Municipales in two different stations, everyone knows about it, and we're run around all afternoon with what turns out to be 'clandestine' meetings with two local M.P. officers at 6:00 p.m. that evening to 'view the bike', and at that time were asked to pay the 'recompensa' (reward) we'd offered for the return of the bike. 'Mordida' I believe it's called down here. My friend had personally posted reward posters AT THE POLICE STATION in Loreto only two days after the theft, the Policia had done absolutely NOTHING to notify him of their posession of the bike; the Mulege Policia had promised on the first day of reporting the theft the report would go out on the internet to Loreto, Cd. Constitution, both to Municipalities, and the Federales as well. We find EVERYONE knows about it, NOBODY lifts a finger to notify the victim, the bike sits for THREE WEEKS, HE finds it HIMSELF by personal leg-work and inside information, and now THE POLICIA WANT THE REWARD for (not) doing what they're paid to do in the first place. I DON'T F-ING THINK SO !!

My GOD, Mulege !!! You want tourism? You want economical growth??? I have news for you, NOT WITH THIS KIND OF HORSE MANURE !! I hope this gets translated and sent on to those who are ''in the know" about how business works. The true business owners of Mulege need to band together and stand up to the local so-called Policia and Oficiales of El Gobierno and tell them they are defacating in their own nests. As I said before, the gringo community does in the most part fuel the economy of this area, and especially after the major hurricanes, 5 in 6 years, the aid from El Norte has been there, as have the rotarian clinic and private and public charities..... NO, we don't do this for any recompense, but damnit, TIT FOR TAT.

THIS IS INSULTING IN A BROAD HUMANITARIAN SENSE.

Bottom line.... happy endings, he got his bike back albeit a little worse for wear (there are serious damages, and need of extensive repair from the accident and from breaking into the ignition set). In order to recover his bike he had to pay a Federal citation for the wrecked bike left on the side of the road, and three weeks of storage charges incurred while EVERYONE SAT ON THEIR THUMBS BUT HIM, and all on 'Mexican Standard Time'. Yes, it's how it's always been down here. I'm personally not surprised in the least; however I'm totally appalled at the audacity of the municipal cops and their lack of action WHEN IT WAS TOTALLY APPARENT THE CRIME WAS SOLVED, THE PROPERTY RECOVERED AND THE THIEF NOT IN CUSTODY. Bad enough when it is any gray area, this is open and shut case. C'mon, MULEGE !! I used to complain when I would hear a long-time Gringo resident disrespect local people and customs. I still do. The longer I spend down here the more I understand where these rooted feelings emanate from.

David K - 2-6-2011 at 09:57 AM

Welcome to Mexico... it is great as long as nothing bad happens!

mulegemichael - 2-6-2011 at 10:30 AM

i personally can't confirm the story, but i sure don't doubt it...we returned to mulege last saturday evening after being stateside for a few weeks...parked our 4runner inside our compound as we always do...woke up the next morning to find the inside of it tossed and the battery missing..also had a battery zapper stolen at the same time that was inside our shop...i know, my fault for not locking everything up...thing is, i went to the city hall and cop shop and reported everything, did all the paperwork, etc......never had anyone from law enforcement stop by or contact us...i've heard the story too many times..

Russ - 2-6-2011 at 10:32 AM

May have helped to pay 1/2 the reward when reporting the loss?

Santiago - 2-6-2011 at 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Russ
May have helped to pay 1/2 the reward when reporting the loss?

Russ: would you explain this a little? Do you mean that if he had paid the police half the reward when he filed the report, then the police would then do their job? Are you surmising this or speaking from experience? BTW, I'm only asking out of ignorance, not trying to start some culture clash. It is what it is.

ArvadaGeorge - 2-6-2011 at 11:40 AM

I camped just down the beach from these Guys. Yes the motorcycle was not chained up and was stolen and they offered a reward( i saw flyers several places) -- that much i can confirm

Russ - 2-6-2011 at 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago

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Originally posted by Russ
May have helped to pay 1/2 the reward when reporting the loss?

I understand you want info not conflict. I have heard many stories from friends and friends of friends and perhaps here too. If you ask to see the jefe and explain you situation and ask if you could donate something towards the Easter or Xmas fund the jefe may expedite the search. I haven't had to do this with police but other things I have put a little something forward and it does at times expedite work.

cabo3100 - 2-6-2011 at 01:34 PM

Hey in Lopez we spot the local cops $$ for gas :rolleyes:

to cruze the property. They did so well that they caught me stumbling around after one too many margaritas and herded me back in the gate :lol:

vgabndo - 2-6-2011 at 01:48 PM

We were pretty amused at the level and IN-YOUR-FACE campaigning for BCS offices. I'd be curious to know of any of those people were saying ANYTHING truthful about the need to join a world of integrity and comittment to stated ideals.

(The same absolutely applies to the U S of A)

I am such a helpless dreamer...

mulegejim - 2-6-2011 at 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
i personally can't confirm the story, but i sure don't doubt it...we returned to mulege last saturday evening after being stateside for a few weeks...parked our 4runner inside our compound as we always do...woke up the next morning to find the inside of it tossed and the battery missing..also had a battery zapper stolen at the same time that was inside our shop...i know, my fault for not locking everything up...thing is, i went to the city hall and cop shop and reported everything, did all the paperwork, etc......never had anyone from law enforcement stop by or contact us...i've heard the story too many times..

Sounds like our "Usual Suspect" little friend - sooner or latter hopefully. Jim

Hook - 2-6-2011 at 02:04 PM

Now, you begin to see why Calderon would love to put an end to all municipal police forces in Mexico................that is simply SOP.

mulegemichael - 2-6-2011 at 03:31 PM

you're right, jim....the little guy lurks in the shadows...what a great neighbor he is!

woody with a view - 2-6-2011 at 03:43 PM

seems like there would be another guy who, for a fee, could "encourage" the little turd to change his predatory ways.

OR ELSE!

monoloco - 2-6-2011 at 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
seems like there would be another guy who, for a fee, could "encourage" the little turd to change his predatory ways.

OR ELSE!

If anybody finds that guy, PM me, I have work for him down this way. :lol:

mcfez - 2-6-2011 at 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
seems like there would be another guy who, for a fee, could "encourage" the little turd to change his predatory ways.

OR ELSE!

Well Woody...I was just thinking the same! I wouldnt take this crapola myself. Not trying to be a tough guy here...but...if there is some dude that relentlessly keeps swiping stuff....I'd resolve the issue. Thieves are thieves in any country. Jack em up.

bajajazz - 2-6-2011 at 10:45 PM

I had a stereo rack system (and a bunch of other stuff) stolen in La Paz. The burglar was drunk and was caught almost immediately. None of the jewelry was ever returned and it took eleven trips to the Ministerio Publico including two appearances before a judge to retrieve the stereo. I had to prove the stereo was mine before they'd release it and somehow I miraculously came up with the original sales receipt from Macys, which consisted of brand names, serial numbers and dollar amounts. Not. Good. Enough. The original sales receipt had to be Officially translated by an Official Translator before it was accepted. That it was absolutely insane to demand the translation of brand names, serial numbers and dollar amounts never caused a single blush among the powers that be. When I complained about the absurdity of the process to that useless twit at the Consulate in Cabo his response was, "Well, that's the way they do it."

capt. mike - 2-7-2011 at 06:31 AM

why would anyone think the cops in mulege are not corrupt like the rest of the country? or are honest?
or give a crap about a bunch of expat tourists who come there to get out of crummy USA winters?
hahahaha.
cracks me up, man.

mcfez - 2-7-2011 at 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
why would anyone think the cops in mulege are not corrupt like the rest of the country? or are honest?
or give a crap about a bunch of expat tourists who come there to get out of crummy USA winters?
hahahaha.
cracks me up, man.

In San Francisco....in the 80 - 90s....the cops (and Firemen) would come to my clubs and ask for a donation for the Policeman's Ball. I was told to do it by friend of mine, a Lobbyist, otherwise these guys come back with bogus complaints about the club(s).

I didnt give in...and then the BS went on for a year......sure enough....

I donated there after each year. Never. Just freakin never...was ever visited again except for our annual fire inspections.

So......point of all this mumbo jumbo of my mouth.....is there a Policeman's Ball in your hood...or need one?

[Edited on 2-7-2011 by mcfez]

sanquintinsince73 - 2-7-2011 at 08:37 AM

With all of this talk about "depuracion" of the police forces in Baja, I still don't believe Baja will ever have a viable police force. Here's a vid from Youtube showing a scumbag being interrogated prior to being taken to the station.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3haK-P-sQN8

shari - 2-7-2011 at 09:12 AM

this is an inherent problem in the "justice" system here. It is soooooooo difficult to file reports, get stolen stuff back, plus the lack of investigative skills makes it usually not worthwhile to even do it....so lots dont...which is what the theives are counting on and often they get away with alot knowing they wont be prosecuted...sucks. But if we plod on and keep laying charges and making alot of noise at other levels perhaps things will improve...so make sure you keep all your receipts for stuff. It may also help to have your "Mr.Gomez" on retainer...I cant tell you how valuable it is to have a local go to guy who can convince the police you may not need to translate those receipts...in mexico....it's all about convincing the other to do/or not do/sell something...they usually say no first.

But as alluded to here...contributing to the policemans ball...(which by the way IS an actual event every year that they ask for funds for) and helping out the cops whenever possible, treating them to fresh fish or pie whatever...establishing a good relationship with them...perhaps contributing gas money to keep an eye on your place...things like that can go a long way to making things easier in the event of a robbery....course all that is probably only possible in a small village like ours.

Von - 2-7-2011 at 10:12 AM

Typical Mexico! im sad for my Mexico~ thats why i live here in San Diego and yeah maybe one day ill live down there~ ill have a big deep hidden hole for that occasion i hope i dont have to fill it in to quickly with bandidos lol~ I agree with Woody for a small fee you can takecare of these matters! :lol:

JoeJustJoe - 2-7-2011 at 11:55 AM

From the second hand report: All the local people I talked to confirmed this guy is just a BAD GUY and probably the one that has hit everything lately, including stealing my outboard and another outboard this last Spring, and probably the theft at Playa Coyote this summer, as well as several others recently. And THE WHOLE TOWN knows, EVERYBODY knows INCLUDING THE LOCAL POLICIA knows 'Koki' (I know his real name, but will withhold it for reasons of possible libel). Heaven forbid there were any kick-backs to allow the theiving to continue.
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This is a second hand report written by some pantywaist wuss upset that his outboard was stolen last summer and blames the suspect for all crime in this whole town.

I wouldn't waste my time listening to this wimp who is not even willing to name the so-called motorcycle thief/suspect by name in his little rant. Even if the incident is true, and that's a big "IF" with some of these bitter expats who hate Mexico and would like to move back home but they over payed for their house in Mexico and don't want to take that big of a lost.

If the story is true why waste your time ranting about a second hand incident in a Blog meant for other Americans to read?

I'm surprise the OP even brings this blog rant here considering it's source where he got it from....he got it from "a anti-Mexico" blog. A story about a stolen Motorcycle belongs in a local towns 'crime blotter" paper where it might have some interest, but stories about stolen cars and motorcycles really have no interests in the large geographical areas of Mexico and the USA. Cars and motorcycles are stolen all the time in the US and Mexico, and rarely do the car thieves get caught, and when they do get caught they are soon back out on the streets stealing more cars.

Anytime you get your car stolen and recovered there is red tape, and you'll be paying impound fees which is about $500 dollars in many cities.

I suspect nobody will be able to confirm this report like the OP was asking for, and is probably the reason why would should take a story like this with a grain of salt because you can't get the sources like a newspaper does, and it's really just a rant.

[Edited on 2-7-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

shari - 2-7-2011 at 12:48 PM

I guess some good that could come out of reporting "this kind" of story is that victims wont be surprised when they encounter this kind of red tape and lack of investigating...it's always better if ya know what to expect...er not expect in this case..... and some might even learn something about how to successfully live in a small mexican village...things ya otta consider...like spoiling the fuzz!

gnukid - 2-7-2011 at 01:12 PM

I have experienced this problem as well, I went to MP more than a dozen times following being robbed, and even found myself before a Federal victims ombudsmen when the police called, who I put on speakerphone, they asked me to come to Minesterial Station to buy my stuff back, they were subsequently charged for their efforts but I wasn't about to take the stand against them.

It seems the MP live a sad life of mostly negative encounters and experiences, they mirror and repeat this experience, like many in society, and the result is a continuation of corruption.

As Shari pointed out their investigation skills are summarized by a drive by and an occasional slamming on the brakes followed by peeling out. Success?!@#$

Having tried to pursue these issues its clear that there is little help, the top is even less likely to act than the street cop. The way things work is completely unexplainable or only explained by paying off each and every person, every day I hear about someone who was picked up for a crime, but it is almost always an innocent person while the guilty goes free, and worse when the guilty seem to get rewarded for doing so and act with more bravado.

I have tried an alternative solution which is to confront the criminal myself but not aggressively, instead I ask "how do you feel?" "Is everything ok we're heard what happened." Basically while never accusing, and never being aggressive I listen to them wind tales and excuses and sink themselves deeper in guilt, they often give in, but without remorse although it does seem to slow them down for a moment.

We have many kids in put in jail over the last weekend for unexplainable reasons. I chock it up to cyclical February poverty, and this year to uncertainty due to the election, allegiances are cut, we are in for a period of nonsense for some time until the new government gets settled for the better or the worse. I would caution everyone to be very very wary about being out and about at night and stay in close knit groups until things get a little better.

shari - 2-7-2011 at 01:17 PM

I was reflecting on when I settled in baja many moons ago and how I sure wish there had been somewhere or someone who told me about all the crazy stuff that can and will happen and how best to deal with it...I went it alone and learned by mistake most of the time so I can soooo see how this board can help people understand the culture BEFORE they make mistakes...in theory anyway!

Marc - 2-7-2011 at 08:49 PM

I wonder if an all federal police force would be any better. They're still Mescins.

luckyone - 2-7-2011 at 11:02 PM

what everyone needs who lives in Mexico is a good attorney who knows people and the way the system works. this way, when things happen like this, you have someone to call who won't let the police get away with chit. The police pull crap like this to people who they think are stupid (in their mind it's dumb gringos). You need to be willing to take names and go higher and higher up on the chain.
and yes, bajajazz, that's how they do it. I know from personal experience. but I had my attorney deal with getting the stuff translated, notarized, etc. It's good in a way because once your belongings are officially in custody it protects you from having someone else claim it's theirs. they make you translate everything.

Lobsterman - 2-8-2011 at 05:13 AM

This whole security culture in baja is a sad time for the country. I started fishing the Sea Of Cortez back in the 60s camping on the beaches and staying in inexpensive hotel. For over 20 years my dream was to buy a place in Mulege by the water when I retire as a staging point to fish baja (I retire in 2 weeks). Now that's out. I'm buying a place in Gulf Shores, AL to fish the american equivalent of baja instead with a home base in San Diego. In Alabama you can carry a consealed weapon in your car. Like my cousin's, their homes have many guns not only for hunting but for protection. Needless to say home invasion and theft is almost non-existent (if the thieves want to live) in their part of the world. Those rednecks are bad ass people who protect their own and the cops work on their side.

However, the allure of baja is still calling, so now I'm just going to tow my boat down Hwy 1 and stay in secure areas only. This Oct going to Lopez Mateos to stay a bajacalifornian's place to fish the laguna and outside, hopefully weather permitting, the Theotis Banks. That's on my "bucket list" of things to do.

The point of this is, it's a shame the baja security culture is what it is because the 99% of the mexican people are God fearing, caring and giving. However, not feeling safe and not having a law enforcement system that protects you or your possessions will keep me and I'm sure many other NOB people out of permanently buying property in this enchanted part of the world.

[Edited on 2-8-2011 by Lobsterman]

THIS IS ABOUT A JUAREZ HITMAN - THERE ARE THESE TYPES IN LA BAJA TOO

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-8-2011 at 06:38 AM

http://variousenthusiasms.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/the-sicar...

shari - 2-8-2011 at 07:23 AM

oh man David....I wish you'd have given a little warning not to read that story before breakfast!

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-8-2011 at 10:41 AM

Sorry Shari!

hillbillies on the bama shore

mtgoat666 - 2-8-2011 at 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by Lobsterman
I'm buying a place in Gulf Shores, AL to fish the american equivalent of baja

alabama coast is american equivalent of baja?? :lol:

you are too funny!

gnukid - 2-8-2011 at 11:19 AM

Just a clarification; its not possible to compare security NOB vs Baja issues. In Baja my experience is people take care of themselves and do not look to the MP to solve problems. It is possible to get help at times, but in general people try to solve things on their own, and dealing with the MP to file reports is not easy or productive, but having said that I have done it, and with success, it just takes an amazing amount of effort and cajoling, perhaps 20-visits to the MP, the reasons are lengthy but obvious, I call it a crime circle.

Compare that to NOB where interactions with police are worse, people who call 911 often end up with far worse consequences, and interactions with police result in very costly fines. NOB police are under investigation for at least as many improper actions, there are good and bad cops, but plenty of evidence of planting evidence, evidence tampering and improper actions that are rarely prosecuted. Worse, the police/prison machine is vast and ever growing, I'll pass intersections with 4 cops of different flavors at each corner and I witness them pulling over lines of vehicles going 36mph in a 35mph zone, or lines of cars for illegal turns where it is clearly marked legal, but you tell it to the judge. In California at least these issues are well known. More than 1:100 are in prison and even more have costly interactions with police. That means that NOB more people have negative and costly interactions with police than in Baja which would be summarized as unfair by the recipients. Only those with deep pockets can play the court game.

So, in Baja even with the ineffective MP we are far less likely to have a negative interaction with police, and in general we are far more safe from violence and improper police actions than NOB where it affects a much higher percentage of the population.

And to the poster who suggest you need a good lawyer in Baja, I would disagree, I have never paid mordida, ever. I find when you bolster your position with aggression or defense, the MP bolster their position with more nonsense, its a self-fulfilling situation, the MP will create as many obstacles as you are willing to jump. The moment you give no energy toward the problems they create the problems go away because there is no profit. Once they learn there is no profit interacting with you they leave you alone because they know they would lose time and gain nothing. They run out of gas.

The idea of building friends in the MP is also frought with problems since any interaction with MP is generally less than wonderful and potentially requires a donation to some cause or support for gas for some inspection.

The best method to deal with any interaction with MP is to ignore, move tangentally and never respond to any intimidation. Always change the subject to food, family and friends and move on.

wessongroup - 2-8-2011 at 11:32 AM

Thanks David .... it all helps

djh - 2-8-2011 at 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
http://variousenthusiasms.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/the-sicar...

WOW.....

Incredibly DISTURBING ! :barf:

JumpJoey - 2-9-2011 at 01:22 PM

In response to gnukid , "NOB... interactions with police are worse" ? Well I disagree strongly. If you are willing to make 20 or so visits to the MP to resolve an issue , then you have a super human capacity of patience. I have been going down by car to Baja Sur for 15 years now and the shakedowns by the MP really, REALLY test my patience. I don`t pay mordidas either , but last year , one stand off lasted 15 minutes with me finally relenting and giving up 100 pesos to the youngest of the MP who basically begged for it for his family. I am no longer comfortable traveling {especially by car} in a country where the local police are so grossly underpaid and the legal system is almost non-existent. Where you are presumed guilty until proven otherwise. Just getting in a fender bender there is an opportunity for a shakedown by every level of authority there. I have read that the conviction rate for murder in Mexico is about 20%.
We may be seeing a tipping point where the lack of trust by tourists in Mexico and the "perceived animosity" by Mexicans towards gringos due to the illegal immigration situation in the US and the dramatic reduction in income from tourism , could lead to worse times ahead. The initial topic of this thread about a stolen motorcycle is a good example. How much indifference and incompetence by the authorities in this case are we willing to put up with? I have little patience for corruption in the US , but I am not worried that if some crime is committed against me here , that I will have to start paying people off just for some accountability. Basically , how much crap are you willing to put up with just for some fun in the sun? I am not looking for an argument here , but it seems that many people are in denial about the lack of accountability and due process in Mexico. I would think that the worst insult one could make against Mexico is that "well things are done differently here , it is a different culture". That sounds to me like a double standard . A patronizing pat on the back to our poor brown neighbors to the south. Those of you who are OK with the shakedowns by the local cops and see it as simply a price to pay for paradise , fine , rock on .

One final note "gnukid" after reading your post a second time , I noted that you said "it is not possible to compare security NOB with Baja issues" but then proceed to do exactly that. "people who call 911 end up with far worse consequences.. plenty of evidence of planting evidence"REALLY? On and on... One interesting observation by the poor guy who had his motorcycle stolen was the notion that maybe some of the defenders of the status quo in Baja may be gringos who have spent too much for their casita there and are stuck now and can`t sell a losing investment and are in denial. A crumbling investment in a crumbling legal system.

Baja California : a great place to visit .

The US :a great place to return to.

LaloinBaja - 2-9-2011 at 02:12 PM

Oh Yeah...When you call for a cop in the states..They're usually helpful if a crime has been committed...Maybe doubling the Baja cops salary instead of padding the politicos pockets...May help...Dunno..Last time in BCS I caught a guy breaking into my house...He's worse for wear now...No cops...No Nada...it's"keep it in the family" type of thing

mcfez - 2-9-2011 at 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by JumpJoey
In response to gnukid ,
Baja California : a great place to visit .

The US :a great place to return to.

Dont let gnukid copy and paste readings bother you. He's got lots of words with no real meaning. Just a troll he is......and most here knows this fact.

mcfez - 2-9-2011 at 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
You in the bottle already? Strong work!

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Originally posted by mcfez

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Originally posted by JumpJoey
In response to gnukid ,
Baja California : a great place to visit .

The US :a great place to return to.

Dont let gnukid copy and paste readings bother you. He's got lots of words with no real meaning. Just a troll he is......and most here knows this fact.

You mean like this kind of stuff?

Got a few minutes to read?

http://www.globalchange.com/drugtest.htm

..............................We will never know how many have died under the knife of an intoxicated surgeon or as a result of a physician's drug-clouded mind. Doctors don't like admitting errors, even in court long after the event, by which time evidence of substance abuse has vanished.

If you're too drunk or doped to drive, or drive a train, you shouldn't be operating - nor working a crane or cement mixer for that matter. Nor should you be defending someone in court nor making huge financial decisions on which other people's future will depend.

[Edited on 2-9-2011 by mcfez]

I am a hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite

That make you feel superior? :lol:

Least I say I am not perfect and dont pretend to be. Nor do troll such as you seem to love.

You are a hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite

mulegemichael - 2-9-2011 at 10:06 PM

gawd!...how do these posts somehow turn into a peeing match EVERYTIME??...do you people not have a life?...geez...