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AGENT’S DEATH UNLEASHES DRUG TRAFFICKING SWEEP

DENNIS - 2-25-2011 at 12:47 PM

Authorities strike back by arresting hundreds in raids across U.S.; 8 in custody in county

KRISTINA DAVIS & DEBBI BAKER • U-T

The killing of a U.S. immigration agent in Mexico last week elicited a forceful and coordinated response from law enforcement as thousands of officers raided suspected drug trafficking organizations in cities throughout Latin America and the United States, including eight arrests in San Diego County, authorities said Thursday.

Three assault rifles, one shotgun, six handguns, marijuana and about $ 40,000 were seized locally in the massive sweep that has been dubbed “Operation Fallen Hero,” in honor of slain Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jaime Zapata.

“This is personal,” said Louie Garcia, deputy special agent in charge for ICE’s special operations unit. “We lost an agent, we lost a good agent. And we have to respond.”

The eight people arrested in San Diego and Spring Valley since Wednesday are among more than 500 people taken into custody in raids in cities that include Atlanta, Chicago, Denver, Detroit, Miami, St. Louis, San Antonio and Newark, N.J.

They will all be questioned about the Feb. 15 shooting that killed Zapata and wounded fellow ICE agent Victor Avila in a roadside ambush in Mexico, said Amy Roderick, a U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration spokeswoman in San Diego.

Three of the men arrested locally — Christopher Uribe, Franco Dominguez and Victorino Partida — appeared in federal court in San Diego Thursday afternoon on charges of possession of methamphetamine with intent to distribute, conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine and possession of a firearm in furtherance of drug trafficking, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office. Four others — Shiny Star Gonzalez, John Luna, Juan Felix, and Roman Vegas — were arrested on suspicion of various drug-related charges and booked into county jails. The name of the eighth person arrested was not released.

Several local agencies, including San Diego police, San Diego County Sheriff’s Department, Border Patrol and the District Attorney’s Office, aided in the raids.

By Thursday evening, thousands of law enforcement officers nationwide had seized at least $8 million in cash and nearly 20 guns, and confiscated at least 23 pounds of methamphetamine, 107 kilograms of cocaine, 5 pounds of heroin and 300 pounds of marijuana at several hundred locations.

The DEA effort is also being conducted in Brazil, Colombia, El Salvador, Mexico and Panama. The sweep is expected to continue into today.

“It shows that obviously a lot of work was done for a long time, they just pulled the trigger earlier rather than later,” said Rep. Brian Bilbray, R-Solana Beach.

He called Zapata’s killing a “challenge to the American government.”

“We have two options, which is to totally retreat and let the cartels take over Mexico, or to be aggressive and attack them aggressively, and I think the administration chose the right option — and that is not to retreat.”

Zapata’s slaying marks the highest-profile attack on U.S. authorities in Mexico since the 1985 kidnapping and killing of DEA agent Enrique “Kiki” Camarena, whose family now resides in San Diego. His son is a local prosecutor.

Zapata, 32, was killed and Avila was wounded when their Chevy Suburban was run off the road by at least two vehicles loaded with armed men. Authorities have said the agents, who were driving in a fortified vehicle with diplomatic license plates, identified themselves as U.S. diplomats in the moments before the shooting.

Mexican authorities have arrested one person in connection with the attack, which is believed to be the work of members of Mexico’s Zetas gang. Former Mexican special forces soldiers are among its members.

Suspect Julian Zapata Espinosa — known by the nickname “El Piolin,” or “Tweety Bird,” apparently because of his short stature — told soldiers that a group of gunmen from the Zetas mistook the officer’s vehicle for one used by a rival gang. He was arrested in connection with the shootings.

“We are basically going out to disrupt narcotics distribution here in the United States no matter what cartel their allegiance is to,” said Carl Pike, assistant special agent in charge of the DEA’s special operations division. “It would be futile to send a message back to one cartel when they all are just as guilty.”

Pike said that while the sweeps are a direct response to Zapata’s killing, the majority of suspects were already targets of other investigations.

“People actually sacrificed a great deal of work” for these sweeps, Pike said. “For the lost agent’s memory, it’s important, but we’re also in a bully situation. If we don’t push back, some other 18-year-old cartel member is going to think, ‘They didn’t do anything, so all U.S. citizens are fair game.’ ” An officer involved in a raid in Houston was shot and wounded Thursday, though the injury was not life-threatening. The shooting occurred during a raid by agents with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and Houston police. The suspected gunman was also shot and wounded and was in custody, police said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

DENNIS - 2-25-2011 at 12:50 PM

“This is personal,” said Louie Garcia, deputy special agent in charge for ICE’s special operations unit. “We lost an agent, we lost a good agent. And we have to respond.”
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What's up with this?
Makes me feel we arn't getting undivided attention from our law enforcement agencies. They should be responding all the time.

Cypress - 2-25-2011 at 12:56 PM

"The road goes on forever and the party never ends." ? Pretty much sums it up.

durrelllrobert - 2-25-2011 at 01:02 PM

"The DEA effort is also being conducted in Brazil, Colombia, El Salvador, Mexico and Panama. The sweep is expected to continue into today."

with unarmed personnel?

Shiny Star Gonzalez was one of those arrested. with a name like that he/she should have already been in custody.

DENNIS - 2-25-2011 at 01:04 PM

“We are basically going out to disrupt narcotics distribution here in the United States no matter what cartel their allegiance is to,” said Carl Pike, assistant special agent in charge of the DEA’s special operations division. “It would be futile to send a message back to one cartel when they all are just as guilty.”
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Statements, such as this, leave me with the feeling that there has been some kind of tacit agreement between cartels and US police in the past. These statements are clear indictments in my opinion.
What have these cops been doing all this time?

krafty - 2-25-2011 at 01:08 PM

unfortunately alot of time the cops hands are tied-my son does drug interdiction with the cg in el sal and even when they have hard evidence, like a ROOM full of cocaine, they are told to turn a blind eye-

woody with a view - 2-25-2011 at 01:10 PM

"Three assault rifles, one shotgun, six handguns, marijuana and about $ 40,000 were seized locally..."

impressive! :rolleyes:

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-25-2011 at 01:32 PM

If these bad guys are of the kidnap, torture, kill, cut-up and fillet the faces from people’s skulls leaving behind a skull with eyeballs and teeth ilk, then the good guys should yell out as Peter O'Toole did when he portrayed Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Edward Lawrence in Lawrence of Arabia just before he had his Arab forces attack the fleeing Turks.

"No Prisoners, No Prisoners"

An agent has to be KILLED...

Dave - 2-25-2011 at 02:28 PM

for the DEA to do its J-O-B???

Despicable.

3464james - 2-26-2011 at 09:34 AM

We seize more guns and money, on a daily basis, from local pot growers up here in Humboldt. The guns are for their own protection against other pot pirates, or so they say. So far the only ones who want to shoot it out are the Mexiacans, they have a bad average so far. Thank heaven!
Since ICE won't come get the illegals and becasue it takes the deputy's so long to write their reports, and you can only hold these people for 24 hours before charging, they are released prior to arraignemnt. Usually never to be seen again. The beat goes on.

Mexicorn - 2-26-2011 at 09:48 AM

When they round up those SOB's extradition to the US should be mandatory since their intention was to kill US Peace officers. Followed by a fair trial and an expedited capital punishments.

Just my two pesos.

Also I' d like to apologise to Maggie of Maggie Madness.
I was wrong in those things I said about you and I am truly sorry if I hurt you or any members of your family in my cruel words.

Sincerely sorry Maggie
I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive my juvenile behavior.

Signed
Corn dog

[Edited on 2-26-2011 by Mexicorn]

[Edited on 2-26-2011 by Mexicorn]

Rest ASSURED and Have Faith in Mexican Justice

MrBillM - 2-26-2011 at 10:07 AM

IF it becomes necessary, the Inveterate Investigative teams made up of Juan Poirot, Miguel Hammer, Jose Rockford and Maria Marple will get to the bottom of the killing and render up a Guilty party, no doubt, complete with confession. Said guilty party may have been fishing with his cousin Paco in Oaxaca at the time, but he WILL have confessed.

And, all will be well once again.

He won't be extradited, though, to face Capital Punishment. That's STILL against Mexican Law, isn't it ?

DENNIS - 2-26-2011 at 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
He won't be extradited, though, to face Capital Punishment. That's STILL against Mexican Law, isn't it ?

If the death penalty is involved, yes.

Is Capital Punshment a death sentence only? i don't know.

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[Edited on 2-26-2011 by DENNIS]

Barry A. - 2-26-2011 at 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
for the DEA to do its J-O-B???

Despicable.

No. But when an Agent (or any member of the USA LE community) is killed, then the capture and punishment of those responsible suddenly takes on super-priority, and the LE community concentrates on that task, to the possible detriment of other actions that they would normally be engaged in.

Normal for this to happen----always does. Not "despicable".

Barry

DENNIS - 2-26-2011 at 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

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Originally posted by Dave
for the DEA to do its J-O-B???

Despicable.

The seemed fact the LE knows where these guys are and what they do, and won't move on them without personal provocation, begs some questions.

Barry A. - 2-26-2011 at 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Barry A.

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Originally posted by Dave
for the DEA to do its J-O-B???

Despicable.

The seemed fact the LE knows where these guys are and what they do, and won't move on them without personal provocation, begs some questions.

-----I won't argue with that, Dennis, but my answer was a generic one in response to the comment "despicable" which indicated to me lack of understanding of 'how things really work'.

Barry

gnukid - 2-26-2011 at 11:37 AM

Cops are getting busted all over: Why now???

http://www.diario23.com/noticia/2011/02/11-policias-municipa...

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/arsenal-y-dr...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/02/25/...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/02/26/...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/incontracosta/detail?ent...

Hook - 2-26-2011 at 01:49 PM

Despicable works for me, Dave.

Average citizens can die, but it takes the death of an agent in the performance of his job (where death is an accepted possibility) to get the enforcement wheels moving?

Despicable might be too nice a word................... :mad:

The only exception might be if the US intelligensia is worried that the injured agent had the potential of compromising ongoing investigations. And their hand was forced to move faster than they wanted.

Barry, given your background, I'm not surprised at your take on this. But there IS a difference betweeen "normal" and "moral", sometimes. :rolleyes:

Barry A. - 2-26-2011 at 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
Despicable works for me, Dave.

Average citizens can die, but it takes the death of an agent in the performance of his job (where death is an accepted possibility) to get the enforcement wheels moving?

Despicable might be too nice a word................... :mad:

You guys are exagerating----------

Human Nature, Hook, Human Nature. There is no getting around that, and to think otherwise is wishful thinking, IMO. I normally don't view "Human Nature" as "despicable"---------

----and actually, as a 30 yr. + LE person, I understand it completely. Have you noticed how many uniformed folks attend funerals for killed firefighters and LE officers???? These guys and gals take care of their own, and get very upset when people kill their friends and fellow officers. Is that hard to understand???? It's called compassion, comradre, and respect, and an appropriate and not so subtle message to the crooks to "not mess with us". Cops deal with public deaths and depravity on a daily basis as part of their job, but it is "different" when it is "one of their own".

Perhaps you don't agree, but that is the way it is, and should be, IMO.

Barry

woody with a view - 2-26-2011 at 03:51 PM

Barry

i think everyone "cares" when a cop is killed. after all, when the last cop is killed the cartel will have to deal with the rest of "us". as a long time ex-felon, i want to assure the rest of "us" that me and mine will be ready to stand and defend!

i should have CAPPED "us", but the sentiment woulda been different. and i've been legit for 20 years now........

Woooosh - 2-26-2011 at 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Cops are getting busted all over: Why now???

http://www.diario23.com/noticia/2011/02/11-policias-municipa...

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/arsenal-y-dr...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/02/25/...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/02/26/...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/incontracosta/detail?ent...

The 13 members of one family, who were engaged in drug sales in the municipality of Ensenada, were arrested and released today by the State Preventative Police (PEP). 02/26/2001 Ensenada

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/2602...

Why do we try so hard when Mexico still does the catch, photo-op and release:

[Edited on 2-26-2011 by Woooosh]

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woody with a view - 2-26-2011 at 04:49 PM

they have cure for that! where are all of the women who were participants?

mulegemichael - 2-26-2011 at 09:12 PM

and i'm sorry i'm late on this but yes, dennis....why has it taken an act like this to finally persuade the u.s. to take action against these guys?....what was holding them up before now?...what the f?...it just peees me off so much i can't spit...all of a sudden we have this crackdown because one of our own is killed???...come on people?...how can we tolerate this kind of crap?

3464james - 2-27-2011 at 09:28 AM

As someone who does this every day, I can tell you that you carry more than one case at a time. You do not have an unlimited number of personnel for search warrants and raids. It takes planning and coordination. When you have multiple cases pending you go with what is the most time sensitive at the moment , in other words are they going to be holding, are they out, money, is the search warrant fresh (10 day rule). In other words if you have 12 agents on your team, each probably has two to three search warrants pending. But you still only have twelvce agents to serve them. It takes a lot of time to plan, execute, search, collect, book, process, and oh yes write the reports. NOW, if the boss says clear your decks we are going to take on the cartel people we have been watching for the last month, and put everything else on the back burner, so be it! Yes we stick by our own. I have never had a citizen come to my assistance when I needed help, they stop and watch, but I have had off duty cops and firemen stop and help.

DENNIS - 2-27-2011 at 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by 3464james
Yes we stick by our own. I have never had a citizen come to my assistance when I needed help, they stop and watch, but I have had off duty cops and firemen stop and help.

Man...this is confusing. For some strange reason, I thought WE were your own.
What type of occurance would you be referring to when Joe Citizen doesn't come to your aid? Would it be something that involves a gun?
We don't have those things, remember? You don't want us to have them, so we don't.
From your attitude, I see a wider division between LE and the public. That's too bad. Unfortunatly, you occupy a position, one you voluntered for, which we depend on for safety. Let us know what we can do to be more deserving of your services.

Barry A. - 2-27-2011 at 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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For one thing, Dennis, we do get our dander up when we are called "despicable" when we do our job. Don't do that. (and you didn't, I know)

I too have NEVER been assisted by "Joe Public" when even in a scuffle with a drunk, no guns involved--------it's not a "divide" per se, it is just the way it is, and we accept it (sorta)------but please don't call us "despicable"!!!!

I agree with the comment by the active LE person totally----again, it is the way it is.

Barry

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DENNIS - 2-27-2011 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
I too have NEVER been assisted by "Joe Public" when even in a scuffle with a drunk, no guns involved-------

In most cases, if a person interfered with an arresting officer, he would himself be arrested for that interference. He might even receive mortal wounds from any one of the weapons the officer carries.
We don't look for these occurances while out in public, Barry. We assume that an officer with his baton, pepper spray, Tazer and service pistol has the situation under control.

And, to imply that a citizen, while watching a police officer being overtaken, wouldn't come to his assistance is just plain wrong.
Furthermore, to openly agree with your colleague who says the same, is to give a more clear picture of the disdain for which LE holds the people in their care.
You are Law Enforcment...we are Them.
I'm at a loss for words here, Barry.

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-it's not a "divide" per se, it is just the way it is, and we accept it (sorta)------

I honestly don't have a clue as to what that means.

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BajaGringo - 2-27-2011 at 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
In most cases, if a person interfered with an arresting officer, he would himself be arrested for that interference. He might even receive mortal wounds from any one of the weapons the officer carries.

I have close family in LE including one who was involved in the recent raids. It is a very different world in which they live/work and I suppose that a lot of that has to do with how the nature of crime/criminals have changed over the last several decades. It has become much, much more intense. Years ago it was considered a very rare event that a LE officer unholster their gun. Today it is a rare event when you can find one who hasn´t.

That having been said, I do have to agree with Dennis on this particular point. Probably about ten years or so ago I was coming out of the gym and saw an officer on the ground in the parking lot, beneath a much larger opponent. It appeared to be a traffic stop that had gone badly out of control. I ran over and started to pull the guy off the officer and seconds later found myself on the ground, with the forearm of an off-duty officer across my neck. Even after the dust settled and the facts straightened out I never got so much as a simple thank you.

I really lost my appetite to "help" much after that...

Barry A. - 2-27-2011 at 10:58 AM

Dennis--------Your post is a tiny example of what I am trying to convey------your use of the word "distain"-------I certainly don't "distain" the public for who we work for, but I don't realistically expect much help from them either, from my personal experience----that is not "distain", in my book, just that I accept it as fact. As I have said many times on this board, LE cannot really do it's job without the Public's active support and help-----it is just not feasible, IMO. Police do the technical stuff in dealing with law breakers, as our Justice System is very complex, and governed by many rules and laws of evidence that the Public normally cannot be expected to know, and actually are not held to the standard of "rules" knowledge that cops are. But we need public help, always.

Like everybody, cops make mistakes, and there are rogues, but to brand the entire agency as "despicable" is way beyond the pale, IMO, and shows little understanding, and that is what I was commenting on, tho I guess I went astray.

The more general attitudes of both cops and the public is way beyond the scope of what I was trying to convey-------and it is probably my fault that this thread may have gone astray in that direction. But to sum it up, in my experience cops and most of the public-in-general view our LE functions differently-----like left wingers and right wingers, we look at things thru different colored glasses, and some of that is not resolvable, apparently!?!?!?.

Personally I went into LE ("volunteered") for the following reasons in order of importance: OUTDOOR WORK, exciting, interesting, always different every day, doing noble work for the public good, reasonable pay, and I thought I was "good at it" and my bosses did too. Very rewarding career, in short.

Again, I certainly don't dislike the public, or have "distain" for them, but I always hope that the feeling is mutual, and sometimes I hear comments (despicable & distain come to mind) that really disappoint me, and make me wonder. I do hate exageration, but some on this thread have indicated that what they say is NOT exageration----they really believe it-------very disturbing, to me anyway, and I feel I must comment in rebuttal.

By the way, I am totally in favor of the public being armed (2nd amendment) and always have been, with the exception of convicted felons who used guns in their crimes. I believe that an armed & trained populace is the best deterent to crime in general, and saving freedom in particular. And NO, at age 73 I will not become engaged in that argument as my mind is made up already. :spingrin:

Barry

DENNIS - 2-27-2011 at 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
I certainly don't "disdain" the public for who we work for, but I don't realistically expect much help from them either,

But we need public help, always.

And, you get it from me, Barry. My efforts to live a law-abiding life, free of crime, is my method of cooperating with LE.

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"despicable"

Again, for the viewing public, I didn't use that word here. Had I thought it would have illustrated a point I was trying to make, I would have used it, but I didn't.

"Disdain"....I did use. It's what I felt when reading the original post by 3464james. I reread the post and the feeling's still there. I don't expect any hardened cop to understand what I feel. Their job has morphed them into someone with different sensitivities.

Mexicorn - 2-27-2011 at 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by 3464james
As someone who does this every day, I can tell you that you carry more than one case at a time. You do not have an unlimited number of personnel for search warrants and raids. It takes planning and coordination. When you have multiple cases pending you go with what is the most time sensitive at the moment , in other words are they going to be holding, are they out, money, is the search warrant fresh (10 day rule). In other words if you have 12 agents on your team, each probably has two to three search warrants pending. But you still only have twelvce agents to serve them. It takes a lot of time to plan, execute, search, collect, book, process, and oh yes write the reports. NOW, if the boss says clear your decks we are going to take on the cartel people we have been watching for the last month, and put everything else on the back burner, so be it! Yes we stick by our own. I have never had a citizen come to my assistance when I needed help, they stop and watch, but I have had off duty cops and firemen stop and help.

What Agency works with 12 Agents on a team that is conducting 2 or 3 search warrants at a time?

Are you a poser? No offense if your not it's just we get a lot of trolls around here, many of which sit in front of their televisions all day watching cop shows and listening to the comercials about medical assistant schools while they run to and from the fridge and can.

DENNIS - 2-27-2011 at 12:26 PM

Ohhhh Jeeeeezo..... :lol:

Barry A. - 2-27-2011 at 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

I don't expect any hardened cop to understand what I feel. Their job has morphed them into someone with different sensitivities.

"Morphed"???? I started my LE career in 1959 on the streets of San Diego-----My interpretation of the situation was roughly the same then, as now, with a few refinements, I suppose. The big difference now is that there is vastly more communication, and we are learning things about attitudes that we simply did not realize "back then". If anything, we in the LE community are a lot more understanding now, than back then----of EVERYTHING ----------another "reality"--------and reality is sometimes sooooo shocking.

I think that along with reality and knowledge, and because of it, we need vastly more tolerance, from all sides.

Any of this make any sense?

Barry

Phil S - 2-27-2011 at 02:30 PM

My only comment for this thread, is, "God Bless those that dedicate their lives in the pursuit of employment and risk themselves so that 'I' can have a reasonable chance of living my life without consequences. It's one of those, I wouldn't do it kinds of jobs, but thankful to those that do ! ! !! And would be the first to "jump in" should I see a situation where a LE person was in trouble.
Reminds of a time years ago when a friend & my wife were just entering a restaraunt in Eugene Oregon when a fellow ran out hell bent for an election, with a paper bag in his hand. Our friend took off in a dead run, jumped on him. Flattened him, and then couple guys in the parking lot, joined in to keep him down. The Wild Plumb got their money back. LE got a 'robber' off the streets with 'citizen' help. All before LE had even been alerted. Wife & I coward inside the rest room until the all clear was sounded. Let me tell you that was an adrenlin rush!!!!!!! Again, LE people. Thank you!!! I guess since I've NEVER had a 'brush' with the law. Despicable isn't a word that comes to mind whenever an LE person comes up in a discussion. Makes me think that anytime I read something here on the forum that is negative about someone, I first think, "that person has an axe to grind".

3464james - 2-27-2011 at 03:01 PM

I have never been called a POSER before, this is new. Having twelve agents is a blessing, however numerous warrants grow stale, because we can't serve them in a timely manner. We then have to "freshen them up", which takes more time. Quite often we will serve two to three search warrants in a day, some weeks, sometimes none at all. Each agent works hisown case load, and informants with jsupervisorial approval. We are able to draw on the Marijuana Erradication Team, when we have green dope to deal with. We are also able to draw on detectives from some of the local PD's, BUT, that takes them off of their investigations. Chiefs OK it when there is a potential for some newsprint, asset seizure, or a big bust. We reciprocate by assisting them with surveilances and inteligence gathering.

I am not saying citizens do not come to the aid of law enforcement officers, I am only saying I have not had the experince of one assisting me when I was rolling on the ground.

Paybacks indeed send a message to the bad guys, they understand.

DENNIS - 2-27-2011 at 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by 3464james
I am not saying citizens do not come to the aid of law enforcement officers, I am only saying I have not had the experince of one assisting me when I was rolling on the ground.

Paybacks indeed send a message to the bad guys, they understand.

You are full of self-rightous sht. If you can't handle your ***ing job, you should give it up to someone who isn't so self-rightous and self concerned.
You put yourself out here as a victim...and you are there.
Your ***ing problem is you think that's a problem.
A cop with balls would consider that an invitation.

Nobody here called you a poser. I saw the word, but it doesn't apply to you at all.
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"I am not saying citizens do not come to the aid of law enforcement officers,"
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Oh, yeah .........you did say that. Read back to your slanderous attack on we who need your protection. Who rely on your positive frame of mind that we are why you are where you are and why you are.

What ***ing nonsense that we of age should look upon Law Enforcement in a way that seperates it from our needs for reasons of your needs.

Get a grip, civil servant. Don't forget why you exist.

Unfortunatly, that sentiment is probably archaic.

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[Edited on 2-27-2011 by DENNIS]

Dave - 2-27-2011 at 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.

we do get our dander up when we are called "despicable" when we do our job.

It's the 'top down' policies I find despicable NOT the people. The suggestion that LE is unbridled only when one of its own is murdered is unacceptable. I want 100% effort 100% of the time. If it's supposed to be a "war" on drugs then I expect it should be fought like one. Criminals, regardless if they 'fight fair' don't deserve ANY breaks.

[Edited on 2-27-2011 by Dave]

DENNIS - 2-27-2011 at 05:00 PM

Well said, Dave.

bajaguy - 2-27-2011 at 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

It's the 'top down' policies I find despicable NOT the people.
[Edited on 2-27-2011 by Dave]

It's those same policies at "the top" that continue the turf battles between federal agencies that preclude any cooperation.

Protect our budgets, missions and don't tell anybody anything......those federal agencies could be working the same person, group, gang or cartel and they won't share information.....been there and have the t-shirt.

mulegemichael - 2-27-2011 at 05:30 PM

dennis...yer right on; this guy is NOT in the loop...if he might have spelled "surveillance" and "intelligence" right he might have gotten me, but after 20 yrs doin the same ol crap, i saw right through him...whatta piece of crap

DENNIS - 2-27-2011 at 06:10 PM

Thanks, Miguelito. Appreciate the back-up.
I think he's legit and I love him for that, but to bring a private cop attitude here and expect us to accept it without question is ludicrous.
We arn't the enemy and don't appreciate being slandered.
We care.

Mexicorn - 2-27-2011 at 06:25 PM

Hey D is it cold in PB as much as SD?

DENNIS - 2-27-2011 at 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Mexicorn
Hey D is it cold in PB as much as SD?

Colder than a well-diggers Pacifico.

Barry A. - 2-27-2011 at 10:46 PM

Everything 3464James has said is right on target, whether some of you guys want to accept it or not-----up to you--------you have made your choices, but you sure are NOT closing any gap between LE and Non-LE folks--------- again, your choice.

Thank you to those who appear to understand what we LE folks are saying------and thanks too to those others who shared their comments, and attitudes-------I continue to live and learn. :rolleyes:

I don't like talking to the wall, so I am out of this thread.

Barry

Woooosh - 3-1-2011 at 10:29 AM

Today they announced the gun used to kill the ICE agent came from Dallas Texas. A gun-trafficking ring was busted there this morning. Kind of ironic... ya think?

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Gun-in-ICE-Agents-Death-Tra...

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Dave - 3-1-2011 at 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh
Today they announced the gun used to kill the ICE agent came from Dallas Texas. A gun-trafficking ring was busted there this morning. Kind of ironic... ya think?

No more so than that the monies used to buy and transport the gun as well as train those responsible for his death came from drug addled U.S. citizens.

The LAW and US

MrBillM - 3-1-2011 at 11:21 AM

ANYONE who is depending on Law-Enforcement to "Protect and Serve" is bound to be disappointed.

As one former Law-Enforcement person turned Security Expert and Author said on Roger Hedgec-ck's show in San Diego years ago, "Protect and Serve" should really read "Here to Clean up Afterwards".