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camp stove fuel? where to buy?

joerover - 3-11-2011 at 08:32 PM

camp stove fuel, white gas

Any body know how to get white gas, camp stove fuel in Baja?
I took a short look around and came up empty.
Fuel for an MSR dragonfly is what I'm after.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_fuel

edit on 3, 15
"Tiene gasolina blanca?" - Do you have white gas?
"Necesito un litro"- I need 1ltr.
the answer that worked in the hardware store.
Bless your little hearts.

[Edited on 3-16-2011 by joerover]

[Edited on 3-17-2011 by joerover]

mojo_norte - 3-11-2011 at 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by joerover
camp stove fuel, white gas

Any body know how to get white gas, camp stove fuel in Baja?
I took a short look around and came up empty.
Fuel for an MSR dragonfly is what I'm after.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_fuel

Very Doubtful...

mojo_norte - 3-11-2011 at 08:51 PM

alternatives...

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/archive/index.php/t-94529.ht...

güero - 3-11-2011 at 09:35 PM

When I was a kid in baja back in the early 60's. dad used to go to one of the little airstrips and buy airplane fuel. I think it was purple in color. Few years later when I was on my own and unleaded fuel was available, that's what I used. Lots cheaper than coleman fuel. I used the regular unleaded but maybe the high octane is better.

LotsaRocka - 3-11-2011 at 11:44 PM

We've gotten it numerous times from hardware stores in various towns. We always travel with a liquid fuel stove and have great fun going to the hardware store and trying to find "gasolina blanca." Actually that phrase wasn't the best but we eventually found what we were looking for. Good luck!

David K - 3-12-2011 at 12:32 AM

'White gas' is unleaded gasoline... perhaps without additives, but gasoline still.

To confirm:

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White gas is a common name for two flammable substances. In its most common modern usage, it is used as a generic name for camp stove and lantern fuel, usually naphtha.[1]

White gasoline, also called white gas, can also be a name for pure gasoline, without additives. This was commonly used when leaded gasoline was the norm, to prevent fouling in situations where the properties of the tetraethyl lead additive were not required.[2]

"White" gas is colorless, as opposed to "regular" octane fuel, which has orange dye added for identification, or high-octane "ethyl", which has purple dye added.

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mtgoat666 - 3-12-2011 at 12:56 AM

in mexico, ask for bencina blanca at hardware store. if not found, best alternative for msr stove is kerosene. gasoline is a bit dangerous. diesel will plug the jets in msr stoves.
white gas is best, use of alt fuels may result in more frequent clogged jets.

whatever you do, don't listen to DK. his advice was wrong

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Originally posted by David K
'White gas' is unleaded gasoline... perhaps without additives, but gasoline still.

nope, not in this context

[Edited on 3-12-2011 by mtgoat666]

DENNIS - 3-12-2011 at 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

whatever you do, don't listen to DK. his advice was wrong

Oh...I dunno....it just made me laugh :lol:

.....and laugh.

Diver - 3-12-2011 at 06:31 AM

The MSR Dragonfly is a multi-fuel stove.
It will burn white gas, kerosene, unleaded auto fuel or diesel.

rhintransit - 3-12-2011 at 07:41 AM

I've seen Coleman type fuel in a sporting goods store in Loreto and I think I saw some in La Paz, maybe at Ace.

rob - 3-12-2011 at 08:59 AM

I saw a couple of cans of Coleman White gas at La Purisima ferreteria on 16 Sept in La Paz late last year.

monoloco - 3-12-2011 at 09:27 AM

Kerosene is available at larger hardware stores, ask for petroleo.

joerover - 3-12-2011 at 10:58 AM

multi fuel stoves burn many different fuels.
white gas burns cleaner. unleaded smells and leaves soot on pans.
if necessary I will burn unleaded or another fuel. white gas is worth the extra effort because it is more pleasant to use

dizzyspots - 3-12-2011 at 12:02 PM

I have used regular unleade gas form the pump for years in my Coleman stoves with zero issues

Stove Fuel Expensive where available

MrBillM - 3-12-2011 at 12:44 PM

Or, at least, that was my experience years ago when I used a LOT of Coleman Fuel. One of those items which was NEVER a good deal in Baja. Sounds like times haven't changed.

There was ONE store where it was available in San Felipe (Mercado Baja at the time) They carried the Walmart "Ozark (?)" brand at 2-3 times what the Coleman brand was in the U.S.

Having run out only once, I made it a point to always carry enough from the States.

David K - 3-12-2011 at 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by dizzyspots
I have used regular unleade gas form the pump for years in my Coleman stoves with zero issues

Thank you for some first hand truth to confirm my own knowledge from when my dad told me what White Gas was in the 70's plus my double check of Wikipedia (because I knew MtGoat666 would dispute it, lol)! :lol:

mtgoat666 - 3-12-2011 at 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by dizzyspots
I have used regular unleade gas form the pump for years in my Coleman stoves with zero issues

dk: the term "white gas" used in context of camping stoves is not same as the term "white gas" you refer to as automotive gasoline sans additives.

wikipedia? :lol:

p.s. don't put coleman stove fuel in your toyota. your toyota won't like this white gas.

mcfez - 3-12-2011 at 01:55 PM

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I have used regular unleade gas form the pump for years in my Coleman stoves with zero issues

You are very right David. My dad told me the same thing back in (?)....years and years ago.

This topic was a very simple question, and some here has needs to tear this up too. Definitions some love to twist....

BajaBruno - 3-12-2011 at 04:33 PM

Here is the REI description of the MSR stove stating that it will run on "white gas, kerosene, jet fuel and unleaded automobile fuel." http://www.rei.com/product/709002

This is a response by a camping gear rep saying that the MSR stove will run on unleaded fuel. http://www.backcountry.com/store/qanda/43270/will-this-stove...

Here is the Amazon site where the MSR is described as having "multiple fuel burning capabilities," and several users comment that they use unleaded. http://www.amazon.com/MSR-Whisperlite-International-Liquid-F...

Here is a camp stove advise website which lists unleaded as the second best fuel for MSR and Coleman stoves. http://www.campstovewizard.com/dual-fuel-stove.html

White gas is the best fuel for this stove, but it's designed for unleaded and will work perfectly well with it. I use it all the time in Mexico, knowing that I will have to clean or replace my jets more frequently.

Debra - 3-12-2011 at 07:17 PM

Sheeze! Question about fuel for a camp stove and the DK bashing begins....(get a dang life) :rolleyes:

joerover: My suggestion would be to spring for the $30 bucks and dump the dangerious gas stove and get a simple propane fueled camp stove. Just a thought.

wakemall - 3-12-2011 at 08:35 PM

Use regular gasoline!!!! Works fine and have used it for 20 years.

Pumping White Gas

MrBillM - 3-13-2011 at 09:55 AM

Working after school '59-'62 at the local Mobil station, we bought our White Gas in Bulk from the Mobil Distributor and stored it (along with our cheaper Mobil Oils) in tanks with Hand-Pumps and DAILY sold a significant amount, although we sold a LOT more Kerosene in bulk at the time. It was (and IS ?) simply a gasoline product without ANY octane or other additives.

Bajatripper - 3-13-2011 at 06:04 PM

I'm another of those who has been using unleaded gasoline in my Coleman stove and lantern for years. That was a well-guarded secret, apparently.

And, although I may be mistaken, it seems to me that the last time I read the label on a can of Coleman's white gas, they finally acknowledge that unleaded gas will also work.

[Edited on 3-14-2011 by Bajatripper]

Martyman - 3-14-2011 at 08:24 AM

Paint stores have white gas.

mtgoat666 - 3-14-2011 at 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
I'm another of those who has been using unleaded gasoline in my Coleman stove and lantern for years. That was a well-guarded secret, apparently.

And, although I may be mistaken, it seems to me that the last time I read the label on a can of Coleman's white gas, they finally acknowledge that unleaded gas will also work.

[Edited on 3-14-2011 by Bajatripper]

i am amazed at the level of misinformation on baja nomads.
for you delusional, y'all keep on burning that chevron regular unleaded in your camp stoves, but be sure to post a prop 65 warning in your kitchen.
for you sane people, realize that white gas of coleman fuel is different. it is naptha type distillate, with lower octane (in neighborhood of 50-55), and most importantly is less volatile (less danger of explosive vapor accumulation in enclosed space), has much lower qty of carcinogens. gasoline is chock full of benzene and a few other bad actors, breathe those at your own risk.

David K - 3-14-2011 at 09:00 AM

Gee maybe you use a Coleman in your home goat, but I would think anyone with a brain would know a CAMP STOVE is for use OUTDOORS, CAMPING! :lol:

mcfez - 3-14-2011 at 09:21 AM

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Goatly....we are talking about OUTDOOR uses! :lol:

BFS - 3-14-2011 at 09:57 AM

Walmart in Cabo and La Paz have white gas in their camping section. If you have to use "verde" or unleaded put a little dishwashing soap on the bottom of the pan before use (when using unleaded fuel) and then after you are finished cooking the soot rinses right off.

mtgoat666 - 3-14-2011 at 10:01 AM

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Goatly....we are talking about OUTDOOR uses! :lol:

mcpez,
i meant kitchen in a broader sense of the word, not the narrow definition you got stuck in your head. it's the place you cook. suck in the benzene and fuel additives if that's what makes you happy!!

mcfez - 3-14-2011 at 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Goatly....we are talking about OUTDOOR uses! :lol:

Well goat....a little humor to you and you get all bent out of shape. Come on now.....

If you cant take the heat...then stay out of the kitchen

[Edited on 3-14-2011 by mcfez]

bajacalifornian - 3-14-2011 at 06:37 PM

I remember hitting the topa in Serenidad too fast. A can of Colman fuel shot straight up from the back of my truck. Before I could get to it, the little girl living in the block house abeam the tope, on the West side had recovered it.

Pompano - 3-14-2011 at 06:47 PM

Car gas works just fine.

Bajatripper - 3-15-2011 at 02:44 PM

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Thanks for singling my post out of the many going against your gut feeling, goat.
I guess I want to further amaze you with some more misinformation, taken--of all places--straight from the Coleman website. About two-thirds of the page down, under "unleaded fuel," you will find that it starts by saying "Our DualFuel appliances are made to accomodate automobile fuel" and goes on to say that unleaded, lowest-octane-possible gasoline is quite acceptable in Coleman's dual-fuel products, but does warn against using ANY unleaded Canadian gasolines as these have another additive that gums up the works of Coleman products. So there

But you go on paying twice as much for Coleman's product if it makes you feel better. They'll appreciate your ignorance.

http://coleman.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/60/relat...

[Edited on 3-15-2011 by Bajatripper]

mtgoat666 - 3-15-2011 at 03:22 PM

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you would be a fool to believe the health and hazard assessments of corporations hawking products. your citation from coleman doesn't even address hazards and health risks. always double-check manufacturers claims,... and when it comes to health risk assessments, never trust the product salesman to reveal much more than they are legally obligated to provide.

for example, i am sure the product literature from GE said great things about mark 1 reactors,... perhaps the japanese should have sought a second unbiased opinion before purchasing those, eh?

Bajatripper - 3-15-2011 at 04:01 PM

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you would be a fool to believe the health and hazard assessments of corporations hawking products. your citation from coleman doesn't even address hazards and health risks. always double-check manufacturers claims,... and when it comes to health risk assessments, never trust the product salesman to reveal much more than they are legally obligated to provide.

for example, i am sure the product literature from GE said great things about mark 1 reactors,... perhaps the japanese should have sought a second unbiased opinion before purchasing those, eh?

You are more right than you may know when it comes to what you have said above. As I've noted elsewhere on the Nomad board, I study economic issues and am well versed in such thinking. So it is with exactly that information that I say with a great deal of certainty that if there was any way that Coleman could justify discrediting the use of regular gasoline in their products, they would.

Just think about it for a bit. Why would they agree that gasoline is an alternative fuel for their products? What is in it for them? How do they gain with that info? The answer is quite simply that they don't. So, for them to admit such a thing is admirable in itself, and, I think, quite likely the truth in this case.

As for your point about the byproducts that we breath when burning unleaded gasoline in our Coleman products, I'm sure any campsite in Baja where I might use my Coleman appliances will have a lot less polluted air than a typical day's drive through Southern California, or do all of those pollutants you mention stay inside of the internal combustion engine?

As this thread has made clear, there is quite a bit of experience that supports my point in this matter. Where are all of the burn/poison victim stories that your perspective needs for support?

Again, go on buying that Coleman fuel. They greatly appreciate your charity.

By the way, I'm totally against nuclear energy on the most basic level: they haven't a clue how to safely dispose of the spent fuel rods. But that's a different can of worms.

[Edited on 3-15-2011 by Bajatripper]

mtgoat666 - 3-15-2011 at 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
As I've noted elsewhere on the Nomad board, I study economic issues and am well versed in such thinking. So it is with exactly that information that I say with a great deal of certainty that...

whoa! that was a blast of hot air! perhaps you got hi-test gasoline in your ego.

and perhaps coleman is more interested in selling stoves than fuel.

and perhaps, part deux, coleman sells/touts multi-fuel stoves because their competitors do so.

and furthermore, perhaps coleman would like customers to use automotive fuels so stoves malfunctions sooner, increasing sales of stoves and stove parts.

[Edited on 3-15-2011 by mtgoat666]

Cypress - 3-15-2011 at 04:37 PM

Just make a couple of adaptions and use propane. :yes:

joerover - 3-15-2011 at 05:05 PM

"Tiene gasolina blanca?" - Do you have white gas?
"Necesito un litro"- I need 1ltr.

Worked, thanks and muchos gracias
I got 1 ltr at the hardware store that did not have bencina blanca the day before.

landyacht318 - 3-15-2011 at 05:13 PM

I have cooked literally thousands of meals on my MSR whisperlite stove in many different countries all over the world.

In South Africa I could not find white Gas and used Kerosene, and even sometimes leaded fuel from my Kombi's gas tank. When using these fuels, upon cool down, sub feather weight pieces of soot will take to the air and begin fouling any surface they come in contact with.

The soot which forms on the pots and pans is of little import compared to what flakes off the stove during cool down.

The Coleman white Gas or similar is by far the best, cleanest fuel to use and works the best with these types of multifuel stoves. It does get old and smells and burns differently though. The whitegas still forms some airborn soot on cool down, but nothing compared to Gasoline/ gasahol, or kerosene/diesel.

I have heard that coleman white Gas is 100% Naptha but do not know for sure.

Adapting these stoves to run on propane is not an economically viable option. Would be better to just get a propane stove.

Bajatripper - 3-15-2011 at 05:21 PM

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whoa! that was a blast of hot air! perhaps you got hi-test gasoline in your ego.

[Edited on 3-15-2011 by mtgoat666]

Only providing context, goat. If you can't handle the truth...then attack the messenger regardless of quals.

You can lead a horse to water...but it won't do any good to kick it in the ars until it drinks.

Nuff said (by me, at least).

joerover - 3-15-2011 at 05:27 PM

Gentlemen
White gas burns cleaner, Is more pleasant to use.
unleaded, is available all over the world, smells bad, clogs the stove in time, gets soot on the pans.
cost, is small, 1 gallon will last for a month cooking 2 meals a day with coffee, that's 9 dollars a month.
MSR multifuel stoves are completely field maintainable, slightly lighter, think backpacker.
Coleman multifuel stoves are not completely field maintainable, a little easier to use, heavier, think car camper.

If white gas cost one dollar more a week, that is one dollar well spent

multi fuel stoves are for people who travel in isolated areas, gasoline and kerosene are widely available

rob - 3-15-2011 at 05:40 PM

I'm with landyacht318 and joerover - I ruined three Coleman pressure lamps by using Pemex verde when I couldn't find white gas. After a year, the generators had clogged up with the famous Pemex varnish (which also gathers in the carbs of my Yamaha outboards if I don't run them dry).

I replaced all the lamp generators - but when they clogged up again said the hell with it and used what we should have in the first place - Aladdin mantel lamps running on kerosene (petroleo).

Bajatripper - 3-15-2011 at 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by joerover
Gentlemen
White gas burns cleaner, Is more pleasant to use.
unleaded, is available all over the world, smells bad, clogs the stove in time, gets soot on the pans.
cost, is small, 1 gallon will last for a month cooking 2 meals a day with coffee, that's 9 dollars a month.
MSR multifuel stoves are completely field maintainable, slightly lighter, think backpacker.
Coleman multifuel stoves are not completely field maintainable, a little easier to use, heavier, think car camper.

If white gas cost one dollar more a week, that is one dollar well spent

multi fuel stoves are for people who travel in isolated areas, gasoline and kerosene are widely available

Ahhh, the voice of reason. Thank you for the synopsis of the subject, joerover. Give yourself a star.

landyacht318 - 3-15-2011 at 06:29 PM

I'll add that in Australia, they call White Gas, Shellite. It was readily available there.

Here's a photo of the MSR stove I've cooked thousands of meal on. Well not the actual stove. Mine's pretty beat up these days but still fully functional.

Right now I 've got the small tank filled with some Pemex many years old. I last used it to heat 5 gallons of water for bathing. It did support the weight of 5 gallons of water. At full throttle with a lot of pressure in the tank, it really pumps out some serious BTU's. I fired it up a few months ago to show a friend. I just had to shake it a few times to loosen up the Jet.

The only downside of them is it is hard to get them to simmer. Takes a light touch and low pressure in the bottle. They also take a little priming before the feed line gets hot enough to vaporise the fuel and burn cleanly. They smell funky till that occurs.

[Edited on 3-16-2011 by landyacht318]