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Health warnings about eating fish?

Cypress - 4-2-2011 at 07:07 AM

Various areas have warnings about eating fish species of a certain size. The larger predator-type fish accumulate high levels of toxins from their prey. No warnings for humans about eating a lot of the smaller fish. We don't accumulate toxins?

stevelaubly - 4-2-2011 at 07:10 AM

Seems today you can do the research and find almost everything will either make you sick or kill you. Believe it all and you are down to eating only organic carrots and drinking filtered water.

David K - 4-2-2011 at 07:17 AM

How long before some will claim the radiation off Japan will get into Pacific food chain and boycott eating Pacific fish?:o:wow::lol:

toneart - 4-2-2011 at 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by David K
How long before some will claim the radiation off Japan will get into Pacific food chain and boycott eating Pacific fish?:o:wow::lol:


Do you not believe this is possible?

watizname - 4-2-2011 at 08:46 AM

Didja hear that the radiation from Japan got into the Pacific Ocean food chain. I don't think it's safe to eat Pacific Fish!!!!!! I read it right here ;)

dtbushpilot - 4-2-2011 at 08:59 AM

Glad I'm catching my fish in the SOC........wait a minute, I forgot, it's fished out.......never mind......Now where did I put those organic veggies?:lol::lol:.....dt

Cypress - 4-2-2011 at 09:00 AM

The same currents that carry the debris will also include the high radiation levels. How much will be dissipated between here and Japan?

vandenberg - 4-2-2011 at 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
The same currents that carry the debris will also include the high radiation levels. How much will be dissipated between here and Japan?


The worries alone is enough to make anybody sick.:saint::no:

fishabductor - 4-2-2011 at 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by David K
How long before some will claim the radiation off Japan will get into Pacific food chain fish?:o:wow::lol:


Guess we won't need to cook the fish when we catch it... it will already be cooked and possibly smoked.

On the other hand...maybe they will be like Incredible Hulk Fish...When hooked they will get peeed and grow in size and strength...and of course they will be green.

or maybe they will be really strong and gross looking like the Toxic Avenger!

[Edited on 4-2-2011 by fishabductor]

Cypress - 4-2-2011 at 09:46 AM

GMO's :?:

woody with a view - 4-2-2011 at 09:57 AM

look it up.

start with GMO corn and be ready to become ill.

Phil S - 4-2-2011 at 09:58 AM

Well. There's always carne tacos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

terminator seed

mtgoat666 - 4-2-2011 at 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
GMO's :?:


aka frankenfood

widespread farming of frankenfoods will result in farmaggedon :O

toneart - 4-2-2011 at 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by fishabductor
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Originally posted by David K
How long before some will claim the radiation off Japan will get into Pacific food chain fish?:o:wow::lol:


Guess we won't need to cook the fish when we catch it... it will already be cooked and possibly smoked.

On the other hand...maybe they will be like Incredible Hulk Fish...When hooked they will get peeed and grow in size and strength...and of course they will be green.

or maybe they will be really strong and gross looking like the Toxic Avenger!

[Edited on 4-2-2011 by fishabductor]


Yep! ...and night fishing will be much easier than day fishing for spotting the fish. :o:cool:

Pescador - 4-2-2011 at 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Various areas have warnings about eating fish species of a certain size. The larger predator-type fish accumulate high levels of toxins from their prey. No warnings for humans about eating a lot of the smaller fish. We don't accumulate toxins?


Not to worry Cypress, all of the fish in the Sea of Cortez were caught years ago. The only things left are prehistoric remnants anyway. :tumble::spingrin::yes::lol::lol:

Cypress - 4-3-2011 at 05:59 AM

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Not to worry Cypress, all of the fish in the Sea of Cortez were caught years ago. The only things left are prehistoric remnants anyway. :tumble::spingrin::yes::lol::lol: [/quote
:biggrin:

David K - 4-3-2011 at 08:56 AM

Isn't this how Godzilla got started (high radiation in the sea)?

We Can HOPE So !

MrBillM - 4-3-2011 at 11:05 AM

Assuming that the Free-Market Principles are NOT interfered with, a "Fishy Radiation" scare should increase availability and LOWER prices to those of us who know how silly that Crap is.

Bring on the Scare.

Regarding Godzilla, I'm not sure, but I'll ask the wife. SHE watched it the last time it was on TV taking advantage of the Nip Nuke scare.

[Edited on 4-3-2011 by MrBillM]

Cypress - 4-3-2011 at 11:30 AM

In the US, mercury levels in some freshwater fish have prompted states to issue warnings against eating 'em more than once every two weeks and for women that are pregnant not to eat 'em period. This has been going on for a while.

toneart - 4-3-2011 at 12:19 PM

To those who scoff at the possibility of radiation poisoning the fish: Do you have any scientific knowledge, training or statistics to disprove that possibility?

Sure, humor is good, i.e: "...won't have to cook the fish; can fish in the dark; Godzilla,etc.". That is known as as relief comedy and serves to help relieve anxiety. But there is the quite serious side of it which must be considered and taken seriously.

I certainly don't have anything to prove or disprove the possibility, but I certainly worry about it. The crisis is not over and it will take time to gather the correct data in regards to the fish.

The anti-science crowd uses ridicule to support their theories, which are usually motivated by the political fear that talk-of-the- possibility will somehow be bad for business. Gawd, don't let a whisper of a chance jeopardize your lust for money.

I would rather wait and see what happens before I declare it safe for myself and for humankind, with the sincere hope that it is proven safe over time. But then you probably wouldn't believe the data anyway, would you?

Remember, this is a new cataclysmic disaster involving uncontrolled leakage of nuclear waste. It has nothing to do with Obama's birth certificate or global warming.

Try keeping an open mind!:light:

Cypress - 4-3-2011 at 12:48 PM

toneart, Right!! An open mind.:light:

AmoPescar - 4-3-2011 at 02:24 PM

RE: ...HEALTH WARNINGS ABOUT EATING FISH?

It's a well known fact that different environmental factors can affect the safety of the fish we eat!

High levels of Mercury and Agricultural Pest control chemicals are two of the better known problems.

In 2008 the well known actor Jeremy Piven ('Entourage') was diagnosed with 'Hydrargaria' (mercury poisoning) thought to have been the result of his habit of eating fish twice a day. His daily intake of fish regularly included eating a lot of Tuna in Sushi restarants and was thought to have played a role in the poisoning.

I know that the Santa Monica Bay off Los Angeles has been polluted for years by runoff from chemical and waste run-off. Though it has improved greatly over the last 25 years or so, I still wouldn't eat any fish from it!!

In Baja...I think I would be very careful about eating fish caught in certain areas! I can think of several from places I've visited. Maybe some other Nomads can weigh in with places they consider unsafe.


Miguelamo :yes: :?:

AmoPescar - 4-3-2011 at 03:27 PM

I Agree with you soulpatch...

If it had not been all the surfers and environmental activists, we might have
never known how bad S.M. Bay was. The politicos are all in the pockets of big business and tend to sweep things under the rug...or appoint cronies of theirs to commissions to study the problem and report back in 10 years.

I used to have a boat in Newport Harbor in OC. The amount of crap floating around in and on the water was always quite a bit. BUT...after a heavy rain and run-off the amount of crap washing into the Bay was unbelievably heavy!!

Mu son and I made numerous fishing trips to Palmas de Cortez on the East Cape SOC. On one trip, we got quite sick, throwing up, etc. First thought was bad food from their kitchen, But no one else seemed to be sick and their kitchen ans staff seemed to be spotless!

Finally figured it out. We were snokeling along the beach every day and were the only ones doing it. I think the cruisers were dumping their Potties in the bay while cleaning their boats at the end of the day. Or maybe the hotel or village was dumping sewage offshore.

We fished from their beach too, but sure wouldn't have wanted to eat any fish from it!!


Miguelamo :yes: :no:

MitchMan - 4-5-2011 at 11:31 AM

Toneart, well stated. The only thing that matters are the objective substantiated facts.

Santa Monica bay and environs have been dangerously poluted for not just years, but decades. I remember reading a published report by the CA dept of fish and game about 30 years ago and scared me straight. The situation in So Cal waters is one of the main reasons I stopped fishing there and came south to BCS. The other reason is, THERE ARE NO FISH THERE!

I used to launch out of Dana Point (best launch ramps I have ever seen), but I and other anglers would come back with nothing more than a couple of sand bass. Made us feel stupid to have invested so much money in a boat and truck and come back with maybe one or two of those silly sand bass after fishing all day.

[Edited on 4-5-2011 by MitchMan]

Cypress - 4-5-2011 at 11:59 AM

Lived on a bayou when I was a kid down along the Gulf of Mexico. They built a chemical ferilizer plant near the mouth of the bayou. One morning all the fish in the bayou were dead. My parents called the state game and fish, they sent biologists to determine the cause. Verdict, all the fish died from "natural causes". Yep, made a sceptic out of me. The govt. will lie when it suits their purpose.

toneart - 4-5-2011 at 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
Toneart, well stated. The only thing that matters are the objective substantiated facts.

Santa Monica bay and environs have been dangerously poluted for not just years, but decades. I remember reading a published report by the CA dept of fish and game about 30 years ago and scared me straight. The situation in So Cal waters is one of the main reasons I stopped fishing there and came south to BCS. The other reason is, THERE ARE NO FISH THERE!

I used to launch out of Dana Point (best launch ramps I have ever seen), but I and other anglers would come back with nothing more than a couple of sand bass. Made us feel stupid to have invested so much money in a boat and truck and come back with maybe one or two of those silly sand bass after fishing all day.

[Edited on 4-5-2011 by MitchMan]


For years, in San Diego, there was a group of surfers who took their own samples of the water quality. It was the one you could depend on rather than the "official" readings. Do they still do this?

Doubtful they could measure the radiation level though.:o

[Edited on 4-5-2011 by toneart]

805gregg - 4-5-2011 at 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by David K
How long before some will claim the radiation off Japan will get into Pacific food chain and boycott eating Pacific fish?:o:wow::lol: [/quote

It's a fact that the tuna that visit our waters travel from Japan, with the huge amounts of radiated water now leaking into the Pacific, how could it not effect the pelagic fish? You watch, they are saying it may cause birth defects, how about some sushi?

Lake Casitas

fishabductor - 4-5-2011 at 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
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Originally posted by David K
How long before some will claim the radiation off Japan will get into Pacific food chain and boycott eating Pacific fish?:o:wow::lol: [/quote

It's a fact that the tuna that visit our waters travel from Japan, with the huge amounts of radiated water now leaking into the Pacific, how could it not effect the pelagic fish? You watch, they are saying it may cause birth defects, how about some sushi?


I see your in Ojai, do you fish Lake Casitas? what a fine lake that is. I was an engineering intern on the lake Casitas seismic retrofit project in 1999. We fished the water along the face of the damn as well as the closed cove to the North..just inside the bouy line.

Talk about monster bass, and catfish. I worked 9pm to 9am and monitored the dewatering wells along the damn face when we did teh seismic retrofit. my actual work was only 2 hrs..the rest of the time I fished with a army corp of engineers friend. there are some big arse bass in that lake!

to tie it into the original post..being that it's a lake , the radiation is not a factor...but those catfish sure tasted like mud!:lol:

805gregg - 4-6-2011 at 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by fishabductor
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Originally posted by 805gregg
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Originally posted by David K
How long before some will claim the radiation off Japan will get into Pacific food chain and boycott eating Pacific fish?:o:wow::lol: [/quote

It's a fact that the tuna that visit our waters travel from Japan, with the huge amounts of radiated water now leaking into the Pacific, how could it not effect the pelagic fish? You watch, they are saying it may cause birth defects, how about some sushi?


I see your in Ojai, do you fish Lake Casitas? what a fine lake that is. I was an engineering intern on the lake Casitas seismic retrofit project in 1999. We fished the water along the face of the damn as well as the closed cove to the North..just inside the bouy line.

Talk about monster bass, and catfish. I worked 9pm to 9am and monitored the dewatering wells along the damn face when we did teh seismic retrofit. my actual work was only 2 hrs..the rest of the time I fished with a army corp of engineers friend. there are some big arse bass in that lake!

to tie it into the original post..being that it's a lake , the radiation is not a factor...but those catfish sure tasted like mud!:lol:


They have made it hard to fish Casitas, because of the Quaga mussels, now you have to pay $50 get a cable that locks the boat so you can't use it anywhere else, then wait 10 days before you are allowed in the lake. So if you want to take your boat in the ocean you have to cut the seal, use your boat go back to Casitas, get a new seal then wait 10 days. If you live in Ojai and only use your boat at Casitas, it's great, almost like a private lake, for the rest of us it's a loss of a resource.

bajabass - 4-6-2011 at 02:16 PM

There were mercury warnings about fish in the Great Lakes as early as I can remember, the mid 60's or so.;D As a kid growing up in Michigan, I'd bring home some perch or bass and Mom said ditch 'em, they are poisoned! :wow:I really think she just didn't want to have to cook up her son's catch!!!!:mad:

Cypress - 4-6-2011 at 02:48 PM

The amount of radioactive water being released in Japan is bound to be absorbed by the pelagic fish in that region of the Pacific. Question is, do these same fish migrate to the waters off the US, Mexico and all the rest of the countries along the Pacific?