I have considered employment in Cabo area that would give me comparable income in the states...does anyone have any info about vacation rental or time
share sales in Baja Sur?
Is it available to gringos ...what kind of income....do some positions include room and board?JESSE - 8-26-2004 at 06:47 PM
Depends on your skills as a salesman, if your average you may find tons of work hooking people on the street to show up at your hotels "breakfast",
income: very low.
If your good, you may find work as a closer at a resort, i have one friend down in cabo that makes tons of money, but hes the exception, not the rule.
Who would I contact
Smugla - 8-26-2004 at 07:34 PM
Would you have any objection to passing on his name and how to get in touch...I am a top salesman most instances but who knowsJESSE - 8-26-2004 at 07:43 PM
You need to go down there and ask, theres dozens of Hotels that have time share operations, and in most cases, you will find where to stay very
quickly.
happy hooker
Anonymous - 8-26-2004 at 10:14 PM
I know 2 hookers,a se?orita in Mazatlan and and un hombre in PV that make$175.00USD for a single and $300.00 USD per couple they hook into the van to
the resort and the high pressure salestaff...Both work about 3 or 4 days a week and both make in the nieghborhood of $70,000.00USD per year...not bad
for Mexico...because some of the hookers give away money($100 to $200 dollars) instead of breakfasts or blankets many travelers go to a couple of
these presentations to help pay for thier trip...quen sabe
I once knew a hooker in Mexicali...
thebajarunner - 8-26-2004 at 10:29 PM
Yo, Doug, we may be on to a whole new board topic here....
Baja Arriba!!CaboJohn - 8-28-2004 at 07:42 AM
Yes, Gringos can and do sell the majority of the timeshares.
A good closer can make over $150K per year. Hours are tough, 5 days per week, 8am - 2:30pm. I have several friends in the business.
A lot of the outfits prefer to higher people with no experience so they can train you to their method. The sales managers are used to Gringos showing
up for job interviews and claims that the applicant will be back down in?..
Show up with an FM3 in hand, tell them you already moved here, and you should have a job within a week (probably less).
Good Luck! Anonymous - 8-28-2004 at 08:50 AM
A bit of incorrect advice from Cabo John. You can't get the FM3 until you have the job.
An FM3
jrbaja - 8-28-2004 at 08:59 AM
has absolutely nothing to do with having a job. And you need to have an FM3 to live here as well as work here but your FM3 will be stamped after you
find the job and pay the fees.
This is not speculation and I have dealt with it for 9 years. Both with and without a work permit stamp.Anonymous - 8-28-2004 at 09:57 AM
The FM3 for working and the FM3 for living (where you have to show a regular income from your home country) are two different things entirely.
Assuming that Smugla has proof of monthly income of approx 1000-1500 US he can get an FM3 which can be later converted to a working FM3; however, you
have to have a JOB before you can get a working FM3..i.e. the FM3 is tied to a particular place of employment. If you get a job at the Hilton and
later switch to Pueblo Bonito, you have to go to immigration and get it changed.
Anonymous - 8-28-2004 at 10:02 AM
If the Applicant either wishes to reside indefinitely in Mexico while working with a Mexican based firm or will be temporarily transfered to a foreign
company?s office in Mexico and/or paid for services rendered by the Mexico office, the Mexican employer must directly request an employment
authorization by the Immigration Institute of Mexico (whether so that a specific Mexican Consulate or the INM itself issue the FM3)
Note..
the Mexican employer must directly request an employment authorization by the Immigration Institute of Mexico
You have to have the job first..the employer sponsers you..
Dollars or Pesos
Anonymous - 8-28-2004 at 02:29 PM
The funny thing about this thread is everybody is talking about the different FM3's and nobody is in shock that these salepersons are making more
money($70,000 to $150,000 USD) than most of the people on this board. I'll bet none of them is growing bamboo:moon:
Correct
jrbaja - 8-28-2004 at 02:37 PM
"Assuming that Smugla has proof of monthly income of approx 1000-1500 US he can get an FM3 which can be later converted to a working FM3;"
Incorrect;
" You can't get the FM3 until you have the job."
Make up your mind oh namless one. Do you have two FM3's ? Or even live in Mexico? Or is this info out of an issue of the "gringo" gazette ?
And as far as people being in shock, most of the people don't even pay attention to those that post anonymously.
Again, you have reminded us why.mcgyver - 8-28-2004 at 06:06 PM
JRB, AmenEllen - 8-28-2004 at 09:11 PM
I registered a name..does that make me more credible?
I have been living and working in BCS since 1988. Currently I'm FM2 inmigrado and plan to stay at that level.
There are two types of FM3s. One is commonly called rentista, although the Mexican gov refers to it as retired. That FM3 is for people who can
demonstrate a certain level of income, proving they can support themselves and not planning to work in Mexico.
There is also an FM3 for people who have a job, in real estate or timeshare, for example. You don't have to prove income, but you do need to have
sponsership from a business that hires you. I'd be happy to provide links in both English and Spanish to anyone who doubts me. .
I'm really surprised that anyone who says he lives in BCS has such an incomplete knowledge of Mexican law in this case. Ellen - 8-28-2004 at 09:16 PM
I see in the quote above, JR felt free to edit out the important word "working" Ellen - 8-28-2004 at 09:18 PM
JR quotes me as saying
" You can't get the FM3 until you have the job."
I said You can't get the WORKING Fm3 without a job.
Your entire post 9 posts ago
jrbaja - 8-28-2004 at 09:26 PM
"A bit of incorrect advice from Cabo John. You can't get the FM3 until you have the job."
Get a grip ! I couldn't possibly make that up. It's your friggen post.
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[Edited on 8-29-2004 by BajaNomad]Ellen - 8-28-2004 at 09:39 PM
Do you not understand that there are TWO types of FM3s?
1. For people who retire in Mexico with income from their home country to support themselves
2. For people who are working in Mexico.
Nothing I have said contridicts itself. Ellen - 8-28-2004 at 09:43 PM
I'm sorry and I don't understand why you want to attack me. It is very simple. If you want to sell timeshare, you have to get an FM3 sponsored by
whomever you work for, you cant get an FM# (rentista) and work on that, I've been working here for years and was just trying to clarify for Smugla
what the process is. I apologize if the fact that I know what I am talking about offends you. rogerj1 - 8-28-2004 at 11:23 PM
If she's right, give her some credit.
Since I can no longer go back
jrbaja - 8-28-2004 at 11:34 PM
and pull up her quotes easily, check out post # 1 by this "expert" and then check out #9 by this expert. If you give a rats arse which I don't.
It is late.
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[Edited on 8-29-2004 by BajaNomad]David K - 8-29-2004 at 11:52 AM
Thank you Ellen for the information. I have only traveled in Baja (FM-T), but was wondering about living and working there some day. I did not know
there was two FM-3s... I wonder why they don't just make one of them an FM-4??? Too simple, I guess!
Yes, registering a name (even a fake one) makes anyone more credible than just posting as Anonymous. Thank you again!
Well ...now thats all settled!!
Smugla - 8-29-2004 at 02:02 PM
Thank you both for the info....not to stir things up any more...does one need to file for a new working FM3 everytime you begin a new job?David K - 8-29-2004 at 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Smugla
Thank you both for the info....not to stir things up any more...does one need to file for a new working FM3 everytime you begin a new job?
Well, I think that was answered in the 10th post in this thread:
"Assuming that Smugla has proof of monthly income of approx 1000-1500 US he can get an FM3 which can be later converted to a working FM3; however, you
have to have a JOB before you can get a working FM3..i.e. the FM3 is tied to a particular place of employment. If you get a job at the Hilton and
later switch to Pueblo Bonito, you have to go to immigration and get it changed"
This is hysterical
jrbaja - 8-29-2004 at 04:22 PM
yes, thank you ellen hahahahahahahaha
Go to immigration first and get your FM3. Then, get a letter from your employer stating your job or, if you are starting a business, you need a letter
from the judicial.
There is no such thing as having 2 FM3's. That information is wrong and plain and simply speaking, not true.
Last year it cost $135.00 for my work permit to be stamped and stated in my (one and only) FM3 regarding what I would be doing.
It has been the same every year and unless Rosarito is different than everywhere else in Mexico, that's the way it is!
Sheesh!Anonymous - 8-29-2004 at 04:39 PM
I did not say he would have two FM3s. I said there were two types of FM3s, and actually there are more than that..student, scientific, artist are some
other categories.
Smugla, get the job, your employer will assist you in getting the FM3. If you change jobs it will have to be changed with immigration.
Why would he want to get a "rentista" FM3, having to prove income from his home country and then spend the 150US or so in addition to the cost of the
rentista FM3 to convert it to a working FM3? He would pay twice. JR if you have had working papers for a long time, perhaps you have forgotten the
process. What you are suggesting is not correct.
Ellen Gypsy Jan - 8-29-2004 at 06:23 PM
Hmmmm, very confused...
but perhaps this is a Norte vs. Sur (North v. South) kind of thing.
No civil war, please!
Anyway, I would like to validate JR without dissing Ellen.
I live in Baja Norte on an FM3 Rentista and have the appropriate work amendment (I was working for an ISO 9000 registrar, but now I'm not, that's a
whole other story). The fee is approximately $135, renewed every year.
I have never heard of two different kinds of FM3's, but, when I asked about Baja Sur, I got a lot of "rolled eyes, looking up" and shrugs.
Don't know the real answer.
There is obviously no argueing
jrbaja - 8-29-2004 at 06:25 PM
with the spitten image of margie.
This nonsense is finished. And I do give you credit for not erasing your posts like miss margie did.
I suggest you go back and read them.
Don\'t fook w/JR..
FrankO - 8-29-2004 at 10:19 PM
it'd be hard to believe that there was more than one way to do things in Mexico.
and since he said it was finished, well there you go .......the things I used to make out of bamboo. Might account for a few things
[Edited on 8-30-2004 by FrankO]
Curioser
jrbaja - 8-30-2004 at 08:02 AM
and curioser !
Pardon my misunderstanding
jrbaja - 8-30-2004 at 08:25 AM
1."You can't get the FM3 until you have the job."
2."The FM3 for working and the FM3 for living (where you have to show a regular income from your home country) are two different things entirely."
3. "however, you have to have a JOB before you can get a working FM3. "
4." You can't get the FM3 until you have the job."
"I said You can't get the WORKING Fm3 without a job. "
Oh, there, that's better. Now I fully understand. Sounds like franko may have the same 2 FM3's that miss ellen has.
Smugla, you can get the job first, which is illegal as you will be employed without an FM3, and they will help you get your FM3 and maybe even pay
for the work permit that will be attached to it.
It is a little more professional (as in getting a job) to show up prepared for the interview. This includes being legal to reside in Mexico by
having your FM3 first.
It costs the same for the work permit either way. I have done it both ways and on top of that, I have a stamp to run my own business down here.
I found it really hard to get my (employer) to do all the work for me since there wasn't any !
Hey JR
bajagrouper - 8-30-2004 at 09:05 AM
I don't know about the permits one needs to work in Mexico but I did talk to a timeshare salesman while in Cabo last Feb. and he told me he gets about
$300 to get a couple to attend the meeting...Did you ever get the pictures of you and the dogs at Tecolote I sent you by e-mail? take care,Bajagrouper
Hola Amigo
jrbaja - 8-30-2004 at 09:25 AM
I received some of the camp but not of the dogs. You going to the fiesta at Tucker's ?bajagrouper - 8-30-2004 at 12:40 PM
Hola JR,I missplaced your e-mail address,please forward.if the party is around the middle of Nov. it could work for me,Bajagrouper
P.S. on your post on fred's board,when you link onto JRsBaja, a letter to your daughter comes up for all to read.Bob H - 8-31-2004 at 02:41 PM
Smugla, if you are a top salesman (especially a closer) you WILL land a job selling time shares - you just need to close the sales manager!
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