BajaNomad - Dorado Illegaly Taken and Imported to US

Dorado Illegaly Taken and Imported to US

Bomberro - 4-18-2011 at 06:11 AM

Watched this very disturbing video, everyone should see this to understand the reason why we must try to let the public understand what is happening on both sides of the border.

http://sancarlos.tv/portfolio/a-fish-made-of-gold/

elgatoloco - 4-18-2011 at 07:12 AM

That was very informative. I hope he is successful in his quest. Thanks for posting the link.

Cypress - 4-18-2011 at 08:39 AM

Bomberro, Thanks for sharing this information.

Lauriboats - 4-18-2011 at 08:51 AM

Very sad.

elgatoloco - 4-18-2011 at 09:01 AM

Wow! :no:

http://sancarlos.tv/portfolio/illegal-fishing/

brewer - 4-18-2011 at 10:41 AM

That's a sad story. Another aspect of American consumerism.

Need less.

wessongroup - 4-18-2011 at 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by telebrewer
That's a sad story. Another aspect of American consumerism.

Need less.

Ditto's on less.... eat some corn... spinach, ya know... eat your veggies.. even though those bacon wrapped dogs are to kill for...

dtbushpilot - 4-18-2011 at 11:34 AM

Very interesting video.

While I applaud his determination to risk his life to get in the face of people who are highly compensated to look the other way I wonder WTF he was thinking bringing his wife and kids along on his clandestine journey to follow the fish to the US.

It's one thing to risk your life for a cause but to risk your children's life is far more than irresponsible parenting.

Meat IS To Kill For !

MrBillM - 4-18-2011 at 01:21 PM

As well as Fish and Fowl.

I can think of no creature's better purpose in life than to DIE for MY Palate.

I'm especially reminded of that as we enter the Easter season and give thanks.

For the fact that HAM is on sale EVERYWHERE.

Thank GOD for PORK.

jenny.navarrette - 4-18-2011 at 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Bomberro
Watched this very disturbing video, everyone should see this to understand the reason why we must try to let the public understand what is happening on both sides of the border.

So then, here we have proof positive that legalizing drugs in the US will NOT stop the drug crime in Mexico. Dorado are perfectly legal to consume in the US, yet Mexicans break the laws of their own country to deliver it to the US market. Now please have any resident liberal explain to us why legalizing drugs in the US will stop the drug crime in Mexico.

I'm waiting....or maybe the US should just send a few billion dollars to Mexico to help them combat the illegal dorado business? After all, it is all the US's demand for fish that is causing the problem. It sure as Hell can't be the Mexican's fault?
:rolleyes:

dtbushpilot - 4-18-2011 at 01:41 PM

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X2.....dt

Cypress - 4-18-2011 at 02:02 PM

Not a good example for keeping pot illegal. I don't think you can grow Dorado in Kansas. You can grow pot and that would destroy the profit motive now existing south of the border.

elgatoloco - 4-18-2011 at 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Not a good example for keeping pot illegal. I don't think you can grow Dorado in Kansas. You can grow pot and that would destroy the profit motive now existing south of the border.

Finally a liberal with sensibility! :biggrin:

jenny.navarrette - 4-18-2011 at 02:27 PM

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Nope. Dorado are pelagic and are legally fished in the Atlantic, Pacific and Gulf of Mexico by US fishermen. They are so plentiful in the Pacific that commercial catches are not even regulated.

You need to work up a better reason. There is no need for the US to import Dorado from Mexico. It only happens because of PRICE. It is cheaper, just as Mexican grass would be cheaper in the US than domestic grass and legalizing it would only increase the demand (and crime) from Mexico.

mtgoat666 - 4-18-2011 at 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
So then, here we have proof positive that legalizing drugs in the US will NOT stop the drug crime in Mexico.

"proof positive?"

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Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
Dorado are perfectly legal to consume in the US, yet Mexicans break the laws of their own country to deliver it to the US market. Now please have any resident liberal explain to us why legalizing drugs in the US will stop the drug crime in Mexico.

Best example is repeal of prohibition of alcohol. After prohibition, alcohol trade went from smuggling to being legitimate business. Most all alcohol sales and import/export are now legal and taxed. Legalized drugs would result in legitimate businesses, and new tax revenues.

jenny.navarrette - 4-18-2011 at 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Best example is repeal of prohibition of alcohol. After prohibition, alcohol trade went from smuggling to being legitimate business. Most all alcohol sales and import/export are now legal and taxed. Legalized drugs would result in legitimate businesses, and new tax revenues.

An extemely poor and irrlevant example there, professor. Let me help you understand why. We are talking about legalizing a substance in the US to ease the crime in Mexico. That is the subject at hand.

Alchohol was always legal in Mexico, even during Prohibition. Therefore, there was no organized crime associated with alcohol in Mexico before, during or after Prohibition. So you have failed to produce an example to demonstrate the impact of legalizing a substance in the US on crime in Mexico. You have produced an example of the impact of legalizing a substance in the US on crime in the US.

Now, if you were to propose legalizing grass in Mexico as a way to lower Mexico's crime, that would be an entirely different example. Certainly, legalizing the commercial fishing for dorado in Mexico should eliminate the criminality shown in the video. However, possession of grass for personal consumption was decriminalized in Mexico a few years ago. Crime has only increased.

So you need to come up with an example of how legalizing a substance in the US has reduced crime in Mexico.

Still waiting...

classicbajabronco - 4-18-2011 at 03:17 PM

The Feds in both Mexico and the US, are probably far more concerned with other imports/exports at this moment.

The dodo's are going to have to get in line.

jenny.navarrette - 4-18-2011 at 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by Don Jorge
Perhaps if the feds were doing their job and understood the job were doing they might see this importation of a protected species from a foreign country a violation of the Lacy Act?

It appears Vince is tenacious and on to something.
Good luck.

Perhaps the feds do understand their job and just don't let good ol'Vince call the shots. Dorado are not a protected species. They are a regulated species, e.g. their take is regulated, not prohibited. I think Vince has not been "up-front" about all this. Did he mention NOM-029-PESCA-2006? It allows the catching of Dorado outside the conservation zones and even inside the conservation zones as "incidental" catch. Even the conservation zones are variable based upon the size of the boat.

This is a tempest in a teapot. The Mexican tourism interests are trying to protect their "golden goose" sportfish from the commercial fishermen.

http://www.seawatch.org/mail_campaign/norma_press_release.pd...

Hook - 4-18-2011 at 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Very interesting video.

While I applaud his determination to risk his life to get in the face of people who are highly compensated to look the other way I wonder WTF he was thinking bringing his wife and kids along on his clandestine journey to follow the fish to the US.

It's one thing to risk your life for a cause but to risk your children's life is far more than irresponsible parenting.

I dont think following the truck along the Mexican "interstate" is very dangerous. You notice, though, that he did not actually follow it to the border itself. That might have been dicey; stuck behind them in line, while videotaping.

And, we actually dont know if the truck was turned around with its cargo by US Customs, do we? We dont actually see the truck cross the border, as far as I can tell.

There is also some question as to where he gets this figure of 9000 tons of dorado crossing into the US in 2010? Who is it that kept track of these crossings and is ignoring this egregious violation of the Lacy act? Does that supposed figure include dorado coming in from ALL sources (not just Mexico)? Does that include the legal sportfish dorado that vacationing fishermen bring back? Is this an estimate based on the amount of dorado available for retail in the US?

It seems unlikely to me that US Customs would be ignoring an amount that large on purpose. THAT'S ALMOST 50,000 LBS. OF DORADO FOR EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR!!! And it's not like whole dorado are as easy to hide as drugs.

I personally believe that the US Customs agents are 99.9% honest and unable to be bribed. Not 100%, of course, as we occasionally see, with regards to drugs and human shipments. And I dont think there are higher ups in the US government who are instructing ICE agents to "look the other way". I dont know what to make of this 9000 ton figure.

Still, his cause is just. And if this amount of dorado IS making its way illegally to the US, I wish him the best. Cutting off the market (if it exists) certainly seems like a better strategy than hoping CONAPESCA will be reformed.

[Edited on 4-18-2011 by Hook]

Cypress - 4-18-2011 at 04:57 PM

The Gulf of Mexico/Atlantic catch was reported to be 1,600 metric tons. Dorado reach sexual maturity at 4 to 5 month of age. They're the fastest growing fish in the sea.

Hook - 4-18-2011 at 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
The Gulf of Mexico/Atlantic catch was reported to be 1,600 metric tons. Dorado reach sexual maturity at 4 to 5 month of age. They're the fastest growing fish in the sea.

I'm not questioning that there is that much dorado in the oceans, Cypress. I'm questioning where this figure that is supposedly crossing the border is coming from. Is he accusing ICE of corruption? Ignorance? Derelection of duty?

Cypress - 4-18-2011 at 05:29 PM

The "bycatch" loophole is large enough to legally drive many truckloads of dorado through the border crossings.

monoloco - 4-18-2011 at 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Don Jorge

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Originally posted by classicbajabronco
The Feds in both Mexico and the US, are probably far more concerned with other imports/exports at this moment.

The dodo's are going to have to get in line.

That's what Diane Hunag thought, oops.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/alobsterst...

That's messed up. I guess that it's easier prosecuting small time seafood importers than Wall Street kleptocrats, after all, it all pays the same.

[Edited on 4-19-2011 by monoloco]

dtbushpilot - 4-18-2011 at 06:17 PM

"I dont think following the truck along the Mexican "interstate" is very dangerous. You notice, though, that he did not actually follow it to the border itself. That might have been dicey; stuck behind them in line, while videotaping."

I have to respectfully disagree Hook.

The same cartel smugglers that smuggle drugs also smuggle every other type of contraband and people across the border. They have undoubtedly been alerted to the gringo with the camera and "evidence against them". These people have killed police officers, soldiers and politicians in broad daylight in very public places without being apprehended, forcing a car off the road somewhere between Guymas and the border would be comparatively easier.

Hook - 4-18-2011 at 07:37 PM

Not "undoubtedly". Your statement presupposes that the video of the loading and transporting of the fish occurred AFTER the interviews. That's not necessarily the case in shooting video. Much is shot out of the edited sequence.

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dtbushpilot - 4-18-2011 at 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
Not "undoubtedly". Your statement presupposes that the video of the loading and transporting of the fish occurred AFTER the interviews. That's not necessarily the case in shooting video. Much is shot out of the edited sequence.

[Edited on 4-19-2011 by Hook]

Good point, I hope he is watching his back now though....dt

Tano - 4-18-2011 at 08:05 PM

I like these “dorados” better, and they are delicious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRS28uaDmSE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQrV8VXU4Y0&NR=1

surfdoc - 4-18-2011 at 08:45 PM

WOW

You folks make the dipchits on Bloodydecks look normal........

I want to go back to being a newbie, this thread is embarrassing to read.................

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Joelt - 4-19-2011 at 03:11 AM

And they won't let me bring tamales accross the border?

redhilltown - 4-19-2011 at 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by surfdoc
WOW

You folks make the dipchits on Bloodydecks look normal........

I want to go back to being a newbie, this thread is embarrassing to read.................

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Now THAT, is a brutal brutal insult.

RichBaja - 4-19-2011 at 11:28 PM

What an idiot. First thing he does on the video is alienate Tea Partiers. Brilliant move jackazz

bent-rim - 4-21-2011 at 02:39 PM

It seems to me, from the documentary, that the US government is waiting on a letter from Mexico stating that Dorado are a protected species and only then will they enforce The Lacey Act.
An interesting sidenote: Somali fishermen are hauling in big catches now. Commercial fishers are afaid to fish the waters because of the pirates.
Salmon season will be open this year in Nor Cal after a several year moritorium.

[Edited on 4-21-2011 by bent-rim]