BajaNomad - I coulda been a (social) scientist

I coulda been a (social) scientist

Osprey - 5-25-2011 at 10:01 AM

The Colony

Last week there were uncountable agua malas, Portuguese Man O’War on the beach. They were small and made an almost continuous bright blue line in the high water mark along the strand; none bigger than a grape, they were mixed with the darker line of driftwood bark that forms small clouds at the water’s edge.

Unlike jellyfish they are not one single animal but a colony of specialized animals which comprise a living mass – the inflated blue bag floats on the water so colonies can move about. The Man O War has a mouth, stomach and various appendages, some with venom and hooks to stun, catch and capture plankton and small fish.

Humans have a hard time with the concept of colonial organisms. If we thought about it we might see their parallels in familiar things like factories – we could call a factory an industrial organism (colony). Hospitals and nursing homes we might label social colonies.

I tried to think of this little village as though it were a social organism; each villager (or groups of them) acting with some special ability, skill or knowledge to enable the organism to live and grow. If it is an organism there must be some sort of social compact, written or implied that directs the members in their discreet functions. I personally believe members rarely have to consult the written compact to be guided – I hope I’m right that the functions become so natural the villagers recognize and move to serve the needs of the organism without the need for lectures or pep talks.

Since Man O Wars have no skeletons we don’t know much about their beginnings. Something magical happened way back when; organisms joined the group to become integral and necessary – perception was the key – they had to be recognized to be anything but predators or prey (lest they be avoided or eaten). Sure wish we knew what the magic thing was because it might show us the way to end our problems at the border. Until the magic happens, those organisms which need to join the colony may be stung or avoided before they could begin to fulfill their very necessary function.

The magic thing must be very simple otherwise the head garbage man and our city manager would be trading jobs on a whim – not good for the colony. Well, who knows? Maybe colonies like the Man O War rearrange themselves all the time and we just aren’t watching.

Could a tentacle elope with a tiny bit of mouth to begin a new colony? Maybe that was the way it was in the old days. Now there is probably more order in the brand new, warm, wet world of small and clever rafts of group stingers just trying to make a living.

dtbushpilot - 5-25-2011 at 10:13 AM

Not much going on today Jorge?

Thanks for the thoughts to ponder. We have been seeing a lot of them here too. There will be hundreds of them in one area and a little ways down the beach none. I discovered that sand crabs feast on them......dt

wessongroup - 5-25-2011 at 10:21 AM

Osprey, some good thoughts ....

Adaptability has been the singular issues which has allowed most species to reach it this far...

Invertebrate Zoology is a fascinating discipline.. and one which I enjoyed very much while in school many moons ago... and one which helps put together the time frame on much of our knowledge on early evolution of plants and animals present million of years ago...

The variation of plant and animals species found on the land and in water... is truly amazing along with the wealth of knowledge which can be learned from observation and investiation

Thanks again... it all helps..

[Edited on 5-25-2011 by wessongroup]

Skipjack Joe - 5-25-2011 at 10:36 AM

Each one of us is a colony as well. As you say, it all happened a long time ago. About 3 1/2 billion years ago, I am told.

Our social networks are more like ubercolonies.

krafty - 5-25-2011 at 10:58 AM

While in Palau several years ago we went to jellyfish lake-felt like getting into a bowl of warm jello-these jf are apparently well fed and did not sting any of us.

colonialism

mtgoat666 - 5-25-2011 at 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Osprey
The Colony

Last week there were uncountable agua malas, Portuguese Man O’War on the beach. They were small and made an almost continuous bright blue line in the high water mark along the strand; none bigger than a grape, they were mixed with the darker line of driftwood bark that forms small clouds at the water’s edge.

Unlike jellyfish they are not one single animal but a colony of specialized animals which comprise a living mass – the inflated blue bag floats on the water so colonies can move about. The Man O War has a mouth, stomach and various appendages, some with venom and hooks to stun, catch and capture plankton and small fish.

Humans have a hard time with the concept of colonial organisms. If we thought about it we might see their parallels in familiar things like factories – we could call a factory an industrial organism (colony).

the factory worker is stuck in wage slavery, he/she has abandoned his/her concept of self, and is socially stratified and economically exploited by the factory-owning class. to put that in bajalandia perspective, the factory worker is much like the poor peasants from southern mexico that are virtual indentured servants at the big mega farms in san quintin. the factory worker is also much like the serving class that cleans and gardens for nomads - stuck in a low wage menial service job that requires constant toil to live paycheck to paycheck.

a living mass or colony -- should it have a ruling and capital-owning class that virtually enslaves people in menial occupations doing repetetive tasks that provide greatest benefit to the class at the top of the pyramid?

true communism may be better than the capitalist colony model.

elgatoloco - 5-25-2011 at 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by krafty
While in Palau several years ago we went to jellyfish lake-felt like getting into a bowl of warm jello-these jf are apparently well fed and did not sting any of us.

They have no predators in that lake so they have EVOLVED - no need for protection/defense = no stingers. Only took 6,000 years, right? :saint:

[Edited on 5-25-2011 by elgatoloco]

wessongroup - 5-25-2011 at 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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the human species is the only one that uses MONEY !!! to make a living... think about it...

Iflyfish - 5-25-2011 at 11:47 AM

Waxing philosophic my friends? Good day for it, in bed with pneumonia and too much time on my hands.

Osprey has made a very fundamental observation, one contemplated by philosophers over millennia.

It took cooperation to get us out of the caves. I said that.

Here is an interesting site on multicellularity, the prototype of membrane organs. http://evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/EvolutionOfMul...

There is no doubt that the collective behavior of single cell organisms formed the basis of the more complex life forms we see, including us, whose bundle of guts (organs) are made up of complex combinations of membraned single cells functioning together in a complex series of membraned organs that have evolved over time.

The human brain evolved over time in three distinct phases, the primitive brain (reptilian brain we share with snakes), a more complex cerebrum allowing complex perception and behavior, followed last by the frontal lobes that are actively engaged in self control abstract thinking.

The frontal lobe allows for self consciousness. Self consciousness necessitates consciousness of “the other”. With this self consciousness you can easily see how man could postulate Gods, wars, and a Social Contract.

For an elaboration on the various views of the Social Contract, alluded to by mtgoat666, one can read a pretty good summary here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

Wish I could write like Osprey.

Iflyfishwithpneumoniaandboredom

wessongroup - 5-25-2011 at 11:57 AM

Fish, get better... quick...

Iflyfish - 5-25-2011 at 11:59 AM

Gracias amigo

Iflyfish

Skeet/Loreto - 5-25-2011 at 12:09 PM

Fish: I, and 80 year ole Fart with lots of living behind me cannot understand why a person of with your Brains can beleive in Evolution!!

You and your Like Believers cannot even describe "How the Horse came to have a Tail. And Why??

Look at Nature, Look at Survival;

Go Snorkel around the Islands and watch the Fish and how they Survive--The Fitist!!

Go to a Group or Colony and watch the People. The Strongest, Smartest, Adaptible, the ones with the Genes are the ones who Survive.

Iflyfish - 5-25-2011 at 12:55 PM

Well Skeet, how do you do?!

Horses and cows are both very adept at swatting away flies and me too when I last milked a cow.

I am not arguing with Darwin about the survival of the fittest, we both agree on that.

In your post you acknowledge the importance of genes. “Go to a Group or Colony and watch the People. The Strongest, Smartest, Adaptible, the ones with the Genes are the ones who Survive.” Genes carry the genetic history of organisms, including humans. They come to us over time and evolve over time. It is now apparent that Homo Sapiens mated with Neanderthals. I am not casting aspersions here amigo, just saying.

You say “Go Snorkel around the Islands and watch the Fish and how they Survive--The Fitist!!
Those fish that I enjoy watching while snorkeling are also composed of organs wrapped in membranes, just like you and I who at one state of our evolution in the womb have gills like fish and a tail like a monkey. Doctors often cut tails off newborn infants. See images at this site if you need proof with you own eyes. TinyURL.com/4x4lgoh

You probably respect the training of a veterinarian right? They know a thing or two about animal development, right?

You might be interested in the following taken from a text for Vets:
http://loudoun.nvcc.edu/vetonline/vet111/embryologyr/embryo....

“Development of the embryo (a very brief overview):
The similarity of developing embryos of different species is remarkable.
It is difficult to tell the difference between a cat, cow, frog or human early in fetal development. Another similarity often mentioned by zoologist is that the stages of the developing embryo are somewhat similar to the stages of the evolution of animals.

All embryos start as a single cell, then progresses through more complex stages. This is similar to evolution beginning with the single-celled organism and progressing "up the ladder" to complex multi organ system animals.
At one point in development the human embryo even has structures similar to the gills of a fish! (called the gill slits).”

I have looked under microscopes at these very structures, sort of like snorkeling with a magnifying mask. Have you seen these structures?

As to the question of how I can believe in evolution I can clearly see it in nature and in the evidence of genetic research, which you discount as a waste of time. You discount the life’s work of thousands of researchers in their various fields over hundreds of years when you claim that the only truth is the one you have formulated in your brain over your short life time. This of course is hubris and arrogance in my view.

Now a question for you. How do you know that evolution does not exist? I have provided evidence, what do you provide? By the way, did you believe that the world was going to end this week?

Iflyfish

Iflyfish

Gypsy Jan - 5-25-2011 at 01:09 PM

Gypsy Jan *stands, applauds*

That is all.

mtgoat666 - 5-25-2011 at 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Fish: I, and 80 year ole Fart with lots of living behind me cannot understand why a person of with your Brains can beleive in Evolution!!

You and your Like Believers cannot even describe "How the Horse came to have a Tail. And Why??

Go to a Group or Colony and watch the People. The Strongest, Smartest, Adaptible, the ones with the Genes are the ones who Survive.

skeet:
you are a horses arse! you first say you don't believe in evolution or natural selection, then you tell us our genes determine our survival. which is it???

Iflyfish - 5-25-2011 at 01:15 PM

While I am at it Skeet. I was very pleased to hear that you had survived your serious surgery. I am also very glad that you did not get one of the antibiotic resistant bacteria that have EVOLVED through misuse of antibiotics.

You can read all about it here:
http://www.ask.com/web?q=antibiotic%20resistant%20bacteria&a...

I know you won't read about this, but it's worth a try and I am bored.

Iflyfish

Skeet/Loreto - 5-25-2011 at 01:17 PM

Fish: No! I did not believe in the "Rapture.

Fish I will answer your question with first a Question:
Why is it that some members of the Human Species Advance in their Culture a lot more than others.???

white are some of us White?
some of us with Slant Eyes?

I do not and I repeat, Do Not, believe that I was an Anemoba that washed up on the Shores !!!!!

I belive in the Supreme Being.
I believe in Faith Hope and Charity.
I believe that People who have something "Good" to Believe in have a much better life than the Non-Believers.

I do not look like a Monkey?
I do Not Act like a Monkey!

What difference does it make in What I might believe to anyone other than myself??

devolution in texas skeets

mtgoat666 - 5-25-2011 at 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
white are some of us White?
some of us with Slant Eyes?

natural selection!

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I do not look like a Monkey?
I do Not Act like a Monkey!

You and a chimp look/act more alike than you and a rattleless rattlesnake! Though I suspect the snake and the chimp have more common sense than the skeet!

[Edited on 5-25-2011 by mtgoat666]

There

Dave - 5-25-2011 at 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I do not look like a Monkey?
I do Not Act like a Monkey!

I do not look like a Monkey!
I do Not Act like a Monkey?

I fixed it for you.

a colony by any other name

Mulegena - 5-25-2011 at 01:49 PM

not sure how this fits in here, but the replies are all over the board already and I found this interesting in today's science news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13523502

seemingly "mindless" bacteria working in orchestration to pick up shop and move-- and change the weather in the process. kinda blows my mind, and who doesn't love that?

Skeet/Loreto - 5-25-2011 at 02:03 PM

Hey Fish!

As I have gone through Life and made my observations of People, I have found that many of the Criminals are non-Believers, many of the DOPERS are non=Believers, many othose in our present Society that ride Motorcycles while NEKID are non -Believers.

It has seemed to me that a good many of those People who are HAPPY,
believe in a Supreme Being.

Some where down the Road of Life I think there is another Planet with Life.

Wonder how those Monkeys go to that other Planet????

.

jbcoug - 5-25-2011 at 02:39 PM

Great day today. First we hear from Comrade Goat and then we get to hear Skeet argue with himself.

John

Skeet/Loreto - 5-25-2011 at 02:55 PM

jbcoug:

Thanks! Glad to hear that we made your Day.

Iflyfish - 5-25-2011 at 03:42 PM

Mulegena
Very interesting article. I was told not to eat yellow snow, guess I will need to be even more selective of the snow I eat.

Speaking of Snow Jobs, Skeet, where to start?!

I am shocked that you do not believe in the rapture! Shocked!! Do you believe it to be a fairy tale?

First of all, I am sure you have carefully read what I wrote and followed up with the links. I am pleased that you would of course show me that courtesy. I am interested of course in what your take is on those links.

You seem to be changing the subject.

You wrote “Fish I will answer your question with first a Question:
Why is it that some members of the Human Species Advance in their Culture a lot more than others.???”

Depends upon what you think is advancement?! I think that culture is how humans adapt to the ENVIORNMENT THAT THEY ARE IN. We have evolved a culture that has committed genocide on our own native peoples, polluted the environment, and engaged in “pre-emptive wars” that have for instance created 2,000,000 million innocent refugees in Iraq. Do I think this is a “more advanced” culture than the Maya or for that matter the natives who developed a culture to survive in the Baja? Your question contains an ethnocentric arrogance that assumes you are a member of a “superior” culture and an even more superior sub-culture of Rural Texan.

You wrote “I do not and I repeat, Do Not, believe that I was an Anemoba that washed up on the Shores !!!!! I never suggested YOU Personally were washed up on shore as an amoeba. I won’t speak to your parentage, which would be rude. I maintain that the cells in your body have evolved over your 80 years losing tiny bits at the end of your genes that reproduce each cell in your body with a bit less quality each time your diminished cells evolve. This process is called aging. Think Antioxidants Skeet, they are our friends.

“I belive in the Supreme Being” you write. Good for you, I am sure she is grateful for this, however it is irrelevant to this discussion. I brush twice a day and think that has about the same relevance.

“I believe in Faith Hope and Charity” you pen. Again I don’t understand why you claiming virtue advances your argument though your acceptance of Charity Bono is admirable.

You opine: “I believe that People who have something "Good" to Believe in have a much better life than the Non-Believers. I also don’t know how this is relevant to our discussion, which if I recall was about evolution”. It is impossible to believe in nothing. Each time we sit down without looking we believe that the chair will be there. We all have belief systems that we tend to gather evidence to prove. You’re grasping at straws and changing the subject and assumption that atheists are not happy is just hokum, opinion not backed by a shred of evidence. One can be virtuous and not hold the same belief system that you do. One can be part of a minority culture and be as happy or as successful as you in their context. One can have diametrically opposed beliefs than you and be both happy and live constructive, positive lives. I fail to understand why one must NOT BELIEVE in evolution to be virtuous, happy, productive and contributing members of our cultures and societies. I know how things change over time through a process we call evolution and I am very happy with that. I will take informed knowledge over superstition every time.

You say “I do not look like a Monkey? I do Not Act like a Monkey! Gee, that is really funny. I don’t mean to insult but we humans have a remarkable resemblance to our cousins the simians, had a banana lately. Have you ever watched monkeys engaged in procreative acts? Hmmm. Don’t look now but we share 98% percent of our genes with the great apes. I know you will not do the research to verify this, but there you go!

You wrote “What difference does it make in What I might believe to anyone other than myself?? See the difficulty Skeet is that you have stated what you believe in response to my post, thereby inviting me to respond to your assertions and attempted refutations of what I have posted. I personally don’t care if you believe that the world was created in nine days by the spaghetti monster except when you take umbrage with statements about evolution in response to Osprey’s post about the cooperative nature of the organisms he was observing in nature. When you posit belief as though it had the same veracity as science then you have a debate on your hands and that is why I care to respond. In addition I am sick, bored and appreciate the opportunity to fill my day with something other than reading or watching TV.

Thanks for weighing in Skeet, it’s been real.

Iflyfish

MitchMan - 5-25-2011 at 04:15 PM

When I took embryology, a phrase that still rings in my head to this day is "ontogeny recapitulates philogeny". Also, if you know anything about formal statistics and apply that to the aforementioned phrase, well, case closed.

Evolution and nature are incredibly complicated, a brilliant scenario, and reflects/represents entropy and probability. Man, anything that complex that has lead to the human race and our universe and its natural laws is, itself, devine in every way.

BTW, caring for each other versus survival of the fittest is what separates humanity from the rest of the animal kingdom, and that alone is devine.

[Edited on 5-25-2011 by MitchMan]

wessongroup - 5-25-2011 at 04:33 PM

"ontogeny recapitulates philogeny" and, i don't believe it's changed...

Thanks it's been a while...

krafty - 5-25-2011 at 04:53 PM

skeet, you believe in faith, hope, and charity-how about fate? Are we all born with a number that tells us when our days are numbered? How to explain who gets off a plane at the last moment only to find out that the plane crashed-or a bad car crash that you walk away from? Just wondering.......

DENNIS - 5-25-2011 at 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by krafty
skeet, you believe in faith, hope, and charity-how about fate? Are we all born with a number that tells us when our days are numbered? How to explain who gets off a plane at the last moment only to find out that the plane crashed-or a bad car crash that you walk away from? Just wondering.......

Excellent question, Skeeter. Give us an answer, please.

Skipjack Joe - 5-25-2011 at 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by Iflyfish

It is now apparent that Homo Sapiens mated with Neanderthals.
Iflyfish

You mean because of that GEICO commercial? :lol:

But seriously, I hadn't read that find. If you have the link handy I would be interested. Otherwise, I'll just do the search myself.

Quote:

Originally posted by MitchMan

BTW, caring for each other versus survival of the fittest is what separates humanity from the rest of the animal kingdom, and that alone is devine.

You probably haven't heard of sociobiology. Basically it states that evolution supports altruistic acts because it's not about the survival of the fittest individual, but the fittest gene pool. The world of social insects is full of such examples.

So love, devotion, sacrifice, heroism, patriotism. All that emotion we feel for those words. All of it boils down to a bunch of hominids on the savannah trying to keep it's species from above water. Shakespeare only writes what every grunting hominid 5 million years ago already knew.

I agree, some things are better not understood.

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Osprey, see what you started?

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Haven't seen this one before. :lol:

[Edited on 5-26-2011 by Skipjack Joe]

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Skeet/Loreto - 5-26-2011 at 06:35 AM

Well, I will have to admit that I may have some problems answering all those Questions.

First: I donot believe in Fate.
We all make our on way. The Good Lord does as he sees Fit.

Remember Roswell, New Mexico??

wessongroup - 5-26-2011 at 06:42 AM

"Osprey, see what you started?"

Osprey = thinking

Iflyfish - 5-26-2011 at 06:50 AM

Here is your missing link Skip: Thanks for the pics. The women are a little hairy for my taste, but there you go!

Well said about cooperation, it did indeed get us out of the cave.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/may/07/mystery-solved-huma...

The powerful hormone Oxytocin creates feelings of bonding in mammals. Deprived of Oxytocin rats will not nurture their young. Oxytocin is released in massive quantities in women during child birth and in both sexes during orgasm. This hormonal bath is part of the biology of bonding and cooperation. As a species we are indeed wired for love, nurturing and affection.

It is amazing how we have evolved into such complex organisms and that indeed is miraculous and reassuring to me that we are part of such an amazing progression of evolution. I am in awe and inspired as I think about the wonderful adaptations that our organism has made over the millennia. This is for me reassuring about my place in the scheme of things.

On a metaphysical level I don’t know if or where I am going and I trust that where ever that is will work out just fine. I personally don’t need to believe in fairy tales, I trust that nature will go its course without my having to fret one bit about it. As long as my membranes stay relatively intact and my synapses keep firing in the patterns I have evolved then I will enjoy the time I have in this state of consciousness. Some might find this last little bit reassuring, I do.

What a great group of online buddies to spit on the fire with.

Got to go take some cough medicine.

Iflyfish

mtgoat666 - 5-26-2011 at 06:59 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Remember Roswell, New Mexico??

no.

tell me what happened.

mtgoat666 - 5-26-2011 at 07:04 AM

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Originally posted by Iflyfish
Here is your missing link Skip: Thanks for the pics. The women are a little hairy for my taste, but there you go!

Well said about cooperation, it did indeed get us out of the cave.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/may/07/mystery-solved-huma...

skeet certainly has some neanderthal traits. skeet is just like his grandpa, fred flintstone!

My head hurts

Dave - 5-26-2011 at 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MitchMan
When I took embryology, a phrase that still rings in my head to this day is "ontogeny recapitulates philogeny". Also, if you know anything about formal statistics and apply that to the aforementioned phrase, well, case closed.

Evolution and nature are incredibly complicated, a brilliant scenario, and reflects/represents entropy and probability. Man, anything that complex that has lead to the human race and our universe and its natural laws is, itself, devine in every way.

BTW, caring for each other versus survival of the fittest is what separates humanity from the rest of the animal kingdom, and that alone is devine.

[Edited on 5-25-2011 by MitchMan]

Try that edit button, again.

The Gull - 5-26-2011 at 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MitchMan
When I took embryology, a phrase that still rings in my head to this day is "ontogeny recapitulates philogeny".

That would mean that MaggotGoat666 went through a snake and burro phase in the egg form.

Osprey - 5-26-2011 at 07:30 AM

There are anomalies. Sometimes the social order has mis steps.

This whole little village is being over-run with ants. Don’t know what kind they are but they are tiny black things that don’t seem to bite but they eat (or use) tree sap, they are farmers who grow little nasty things to eat. They cause a great deal of damage around here killing trees and flowering plants, ruining any food not hermetically sealed.

So I’ve been after them with powders and sprays with limited success. I find them as they are in a trail up a tree or bush and watch their march for a minute while I plan my attack. The other day I saw two passing on the trail but instead of the almost instantaneous exchange of olfactory information, these two were locked in some kind of extended conversation.

I won’t credit Mexican ants with some special ability to recite complicated instructions to one another. I suppose, like most ants, their messages would be simple vector directions and perhaps a hint at what they were seeking/finding. I know nothing about myrmecology but I do remember learning that ants have different jobs and live out their lives in that one job slot; drones, scouts, warriors, farmers, court attendants, etc.

I’m going to guess that there are, at times, mix ups about who is who and maybe that’s what I was witness to.

“Go up three branches and take a left.”

“Why are you telling me? I’m a scout. I don’t take orders from drones.”

“You don’t smell like a scout.”

“You better get your sniffer checked bub. Now move along.”

“My sniffer works fine. You don’t even look like a scout. You got papers?”

“Papers? Papers? Hey, who are you? Maybe you’re not a drone at all, maybe a scout checker. You’re supposed to give us a checker odor. It’s in the rules. What’s really going on here?”

I don’t know how it ended because I sprayed the hell out of them. Makes you think though.

wessongroup - 5-26-2011 at 07:34 AM

"“I belive in the Supreme Being” you write. Good for you, I am sure she is grateful for this, however it is irrelevant to this discussion. I brush twice a day and think that has about the same relevance."

Thanks that's a keeper... :lol:

"What a great group of online buddies to spit on the fire with."

Ditto's...

[Edited on 5-26-2011 by wessongroup]

Skeet/Loreto - 5-26-2011 at 08:44 AM

We are all Responsible for our Acts!!

The way we act and beleive determines in what direction our Life takes..I prefer to believe in the "Good" things of life, caring, Kindness, Hope, Lovin etc.

I cannot even get close to thinking I came from a small Sea Animal that washed up on the Beach.

Feelings?? Where do they come from? Acts of all Kinds.

As i set in the bright Sunlight watching my horses graze, I think of their place here on this Planet and worder what may be going on at another Planet.

Check out what Happened in Roswell new mexico.

Iflyfish - 5-26-2011 at 08:56 AM

Osprey

Listening to the ants again eh? Great dialogue.

I heard recently, on a recent visit to the pyramid outside Queretaro, that physical anthropologists look for ants and see what they have excavated to the surface, at times they bring up materials that give clues to what is underground and a good place to dig.

When I tended bee hives I learned that they communicate via dance.

Humans appear to have developed the capacity to both dance and smell. Boy do they smell bad sometimes.

Iflyfish

Skipjack Joe - 5-26-2011 at 09:06 AM

Ants killing flowering plants and humans deflowering neanderthals.

What next?

Keep it coming.

Regarding insect cooperation: pheromones

"The male armpit has been hypothesized to be a source of human pheromones".

Well that explains why they've been coming on to me so strongly recently.

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wessongroup - 5-26-2011 at 09:54 AM

Skeet.. do understand where you are coming from... can't say it's all bad... as it is just part of the human condition ... it takes all kinds to make the world go around.. and it would be very boring if we all thought, looked and acted the same...

vive la différence

Skeet/Loreto - 5-26-2011 at 10:14 AM

I look back on my Life and I am Happy! Made some mistakes, tried not to hurt anyone{See THE PRAYER OF JABEZ] worked and made some money{Never did blame the Rich for anything other than investing their Money and giving People Jobs}

Tried very hard to understand people{Still do not like to hear people Blame others for their Own Shortcomings}.

Watched as this Great country changed{Goggle up the Rare Library on The Great Depression}. became more and more Divided.
Watched as our young were not Taught Discipline, Responsibility, and how to Fight !!

Saw the results of DOPE and what it has done to our Culture.

I still believe in this country{Goat can have his Communism}.

wessongroup - 5-26-2011 at 10:25 AM

Watched a movie last night ... which deals with animal behavior...

Hachi: A Dog's Tale.. which is a true story..

When his master, Parker (Richard Gere), dies, a loyal pooch named Hachiko keeps a regular vigil -- for more than a decade -- at the train station where he once greeted the man every day in director Lasse Hallström's touching drama based on a true story. Hachiko's faithful routine teaches the station's patrons about true love and commitment. Joan Allen stars as Parker's wife; Sarah Roemer, Jason Alexander and Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa co-star.

Get the Kleenex out.. it's a real tear jerker... but a statement about animal behavior ... in a very positive way... and is also a snap shot of "life"... it does go on and with memories incorporated... a keeper in my book

Bajatripper - 5-26-2011 at 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

I still believe in this country

I LOVE my country, I just have trouble with the damn politicians who run it! My country NEVER invaded another nation (well, save for Mexico and the Indian Nations it took to make it--my apologies to them) or otherwise acted against international and moral laws. I know for a fact that it has remained where it is all these years and behaved itself.

MitchMan - 5-26-2011 at 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Watched as our young were not Taught Discipline, Responsibility, and how to Fight !!

That line really, really resonates with me, evey time Skeet writes it. Especially the "...and how to fight!!". Very seldom do you ever see that element of 'fight' included when talking about virtues. I don't know that Skeet and I have come to that determination by way of the same path in life, but I couldn't agree more with the importance of it.

Being for the right things is almost meaningless if you are not up to the battle. I digress.

wessongroup - 5-26-2011 at 10:53 AM

Not at all Mitch...

Skeet/Loreto - 5-26-2011 at 12:15 PM

Mitchman: As a youngster on the Poor Northside of Amarillo Texas iwas in the habit of getting into fights, especially with the Bully Type. I was small and short and took a lot of ribbing!
A cripple guy had a Boxing Club started and a friend took me down for a work out.
I was 100 Lbs.!
In 1946 I won the Texas High School Championship 105 Lb Class.
Later I was involved in the Amarillo Hi School Intermural Boxing Program along with many.others Went on to the Gloden Gloves and in 1947 won the New mesico Golden Gloves Championship at 112 Lbs. This won me a trip to Chicago where I fought two fights at Soldiers Staduim in Chicago.

The Boxing program was disovled a few years later, partly because of the Mesican influx of good Fighters and because the Mothers and Teachers did not want their Babbies to get their Nose Bloodied!!

It is a Virtue to Fight for your Rights and Beliefs!
Many of the Kids involed ended up doing very well in later life which included the Atteburys, The Melvin Mc Clung, and The Boone Pickens.

I think part of the trouble with the "Bullying Thing" is that Kids are "Afraid to fight"

Too Bad, they cannot always dial 911 and have the Govt. take care of their Bloody Nose.

mtgoat666 - 5-26-2011 at 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I was 100 Lbs.!
In 1946 I won the Texas High School Championship 105 Lb Class.
Later I was involved in the Amarillo Hi School Intermural Boxing Program along with many.others Went on to the Gloden Gloves and in 1947 won the New mesico Golden Gloves Championship at 112 Lbs. This won me a trip to Chicago where I fought two fights at Soldiers Staduim in Chicago.

skeet:
sounds like you are a little, short guy. that explains a lot! short man complex...

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Mothers and Teachers did not want their Babbies to get their Nose Bloodied!!

It is a Virtue to Fight for your Rights and Beliefs!

I think part of the trouble with the "Bullying Thing" is that Kids are "Afraid to fight"

skeet:
glad that society has evolved in past few decades and cavemen like you are slowly becoming history!

i suppose fighting today provides an outlet for some of the lower IQ members of society, and kids handicapped due to being raised by marooons.

Osprey - 5-26-2011 at 01:02 PM

I may give up writing fiction. The way this thread has been going I realize I'd be nothin' without Skeet. And now he beats me in the imagination arena too by making up names like Melvin McClung. Sheesh, I'm undone.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-26-2011 at 01:05 PM

No Goat:
Why I think"Fighting" is necessary show up as World War 2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and others.

Just think If my Generation had not had the ability to Fight we would be living under N-zi Germany!!

Some of the same things are happening now with all the Young Generation Wimps not wanting to Fight the Commies are trying to take over litlle by Little.

I think in the next election we may{I Pray} have the Baptists, methodist, Mormons, Catholic s get together and
Whupp the Poop' out of the Commie and Socialist Nuts.

No, I was never known to have the "Little Man:s " problem, Learned one time in Keyes Oklahoma that I could get my Butt cleaned at anytime.

J.P. - 5-27-2011 at 11:44 AM

Go get um Skeet, I know where you are coming from, I grew up in the Panhandle also, I lived in Kings Mill and went to School in Pampa. back in those daye you had to be tough to survive.

Cypress - 5-27-2011 at 12:09 PM

About those armpits?

Hang in there Skeet /Loreto! When you step into the ring you can't step down. You're a light weight, a light weight will cut you up. Imagine you've been there a time or two.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-27-2011 at 12:15 PM

Osprey:

Melvin McClung: Amarillo High SChool 1948 Golden Gloves.

Last year in Hi School got to be a Kirby Vacum Salesperson, then became a Supervisor and , I think about 1950 or so moved to the Dallas Ft. Worth Area where he became a Supervisor.
He was approached by a Guy with some Money who ask him to Build some Restruants and use his kirby Salesmen to get them going; Melvin and his Group built 32 Restruants in about a Year.

They are now known as; Church's Fried Chicken.
He went public and made 5 Million overnite. Now he resides in Dallas Texas and has one of the largest Wine Cellars in Texas.

Look him Osprey.

wessongroup - 5-27-2011 at 12:33 PM

Pretty good there Skeeter...... I like happy endings...

and

"I'm undone." ...... hope not ......

mtgoat666 - 5-27-2011 at 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I think in the next election we may{I Pray} have the Baptists, methodist, Mormons, Catholic s get together and
Whupp the Poop' out of the Commie and Socialist Nuts.

that's why Texas has marooonic organizations like the Texas School Board writing history and social science textbooks that reflect latest political whims instead of scholarly, thoughtful analysis.

from everything i read about texas, the state has more fruits and nuts than california, just that texan fruits and nuts are red fundamentalist baptists instead of blue brainiacs.

and texans talk funny. what's up with that?????

[Edited on 5-27-2011 by mtgoat666]

Skeet/Loreto - 5-27-2011 at 01:15 PM

Happy Days Ahead!!

Rick Perry May run for President!!
If so he will win it by a Mile!!!!

Just the right kind of guy to Kick the Butts of those Liberal Commies, and Socialist Nuts,

Oh! You poor Goat com on over Here Youall Yo Hea!!
Learn why so many People are moving to Texas. Learn about true Life, not all that DOPE Stuff..

krafty - 5-27-2011 at 01:42 PM

Isn't this the same guy that wanted to secede from the nation, and now he wants to run it??

elgatoloco - 5-27-2011 at 04:26 PM

Perry/Palin 2012! :dudette:

krafty - 5-27-2011 at 06:15 PM

What the dancing guy said! Do not think she would take the back seat again tho

Notable Quote from George Santayana

Gypsy Jan - 5-27-2011 at 07:09 PM

'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'
Life of Reason, Reason in Common Sense, Scribner's, 1905, page 284"

bajalera - 5-27-2011 at 08:36 PM

Yer so right, Osprey--your nice thoughtful post has been hijacked. With a lot of useful info, though. Like I'm going to stop riding my motorcycle nekkid so people won't mistake me for a Liberal.

[Edited on 5-28-2011 by bajalera]

Skeet/Loreto - 5-28-2011 at 06:55 AM

Osprey:

No matter if it is Evaloution or Supreme Being what difference does it make now and in the Future??

One, if not the most important factor in the future of this World is the "Lack of Parental Teaching and control with their Youngsters".

This Lack appears to me as a Current thing which can end in "Chaos" with defereant groups{The Strong Ones| eating the Weaker Ones.

durrelllrobert - 5-28-2011 at 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Well, I will have to admit that I may have some problems answering all those Questions.

First: I donot believe in Fate.
We all make our on way. The Good Lord does as he sees Fit.

Remember Roswell, New Mexico??

Even Cheetahs can change their spots:

wessongroup - 5-28-2011 at 11:05 AM

WoW... some shot ... thanks never have seen that before...

Bajatripper - 5-28-2011 at 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

...the Commies are trying to take over litlle by Little.

They're still a menace?

Skeet/Loreto - 5-28-2011 at 02:16 PM

Yes TRipper:

Many of the Two Yonger Generations have not been taught to Fight, They have aslo and are still being taught to let the Govt. take care of them, To be Fearful, to allow some Govt. Groups to control how they live and Think,

You can see this in the movements and Protesters and Idiots trying to do away with many of our Traditions, i.e Burning the Flag, trying to get the /word God from many things and actions. letting so=called School Consulars take care of young Children in the Schools.

You can see it when the Goat Posts, he is always directing his rants aganist the "Rich: as well as calling anyone who disagrees with him a "Racist"

These things are taught by the Commies and Socialist, Liberal Left Leaning Bigots.

They want everyone to be the Same!; I just cannot imagine how you turn Black to White White to Black, Yellow to Black
Black to Yellow.

Sure wish I knew how to to just that.

DENNIS - 5-28-2011 at 02:26 PM

Everything is finally becoming clear. Ohhh, what a fog I have lived in.

wessongroup - 5-28-2011 at 02:49 PM

words = thought = emotion .... seems to be working .... normally

Cypress - 5-28-2011 at 02:52 PM

Yea, Those Cheetah cats are some high-speed kitty cats.
:tumble:

Skeet/Loreto - 5-28-2011 at 03:29 PM

Evoluation or Supreme Being???

Just look at the Love beween those two!

How can anyone in their right Mind not believe in Faith Hope and Charity??

wessongroup - 5-28-2011 at 03:37 PM

"Evoluation or Supreme Being???"

The two are not incompatible... IMHO

Cypress - 5-28-2011 at 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Evoluation or Supreme Being???
Just look at the Love beween those two! How can anyone in their right Mind not believe in Faith Hope and Charity??

Love?Yea.

How many cats are gonna make nice with those llittle antelope/deer etc.?

Evolution vs. The Supreme Being

Gypsy Jan - 5-28-2011 at 03:56 PM

Skeeter. I have always enjoyed and respected your posts on your life experience.

BUT, what in the world in tells you that faith and evolution do not co-exist?

Maybe the Grand Designer (as well as Jester) set it up just so that we would question assumptions and then try to go on to greater enlightenment?

Somebody (pr Something) is laughing out loud at our convolutions

Skeet/Loreto - 5-28-2011 at 04:39 PM

Evolution tells me I came from a Monkey. The Supreme Being tells me I came from God"s Creation[ That is the Difference.

Skeeter, Just Because You Share a Few DNA Strands

Gypsy Jan - 5-28-2011 at 05:03 PM

With a lower species just proves that you are superior. They can't post on Nomad.

No worries.

Love and Cheers, GJ

And I am vision challenged, too! Fixed the misspelling.

[Edited on 5-29-2011 by Gypsy Jan]

wessongroup - 5-28-2011 at 05:26 PM

"Evolution tells me I came from a Monkey"

Goes back a bit farther than that... taken in context....

monoloco - 5-28-2011 at 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Evolution tells me I came from a Monkey. The Supreme Being tells me I came from God"s Creation[ That is the Difference.

Skeet, Do you think that maybe evolution could have also been one of God's ways of creating? You have to admit that it is pretty elegant if He/She "designed" the universe that way.

wessongroup - 5-28-2011 at 05:37 PM

mono... a good thought... much the way I view it... "elegant"

[Edited on 5-29-2011 by wessongroup]

Skeet/Loreto - 5-28-2011 at 05:57 PM

Mono: Very well said!!

Bajatripper - 5-30-2011 at 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Evolution tells me I came from a Monkey. The Supreme Being tells me I came from God"s Creation[ That is the Difference.

As a cultural anthropologist, I find this thought of yours refreshing, Skeet. It means that we will always have a "primitive man" to study, no matter how evolved and enlightened we might become as a species.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-30-2011 at 12:33 PM

tripper:

Have you ever given much Thought to the "Reason" that different Races of People do things that are completely opposite in Nature??

It does seem to me that the "Behavioral Gene" is most important to the different Races of people.

Why do we need to spend so much time on the Primitive Man when , in my opinion we should be spending time on the Current man

Example:
The "White Man" does better driving the Race Cars.
The "Black Man" does better at Basketball.
The "Japanese Asians" do better at Business.

Are these differences :Enviromental./ Mental, Physical, difference in Genes.

Who made those things start?? I think a Supreme Being.

DENNIS - 5-30-2011 at 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The "White Man" does better driving the Race Cars.
The "Black Man" does better at Basketball.
The "Japanese Asians" do better at Business.

Excellent stuff, Skeet. Yep.....excellent.

DENNIS - 5-30-2011 at 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
the "Behavioral Gene"

More excellent stuff. Great, inspired stuff.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-30-2011 at 01:54 PM

Dennis:
Just set back and reflect how luckey you are to be able to be around an Ole Fart with so much Inspiration!!

I am sure you appreciate the opportunity to be able to converse with this Inspired Person.

How Luckey can you be??

DENNIS - 5-30-2011 at 02:29 PM

I am sooo luckey.

mtgoat666 - 5-30-2011 at 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The "White Man" does better driving the Race Cars.
The "Black Man" does better at Basketball.
The "Japanese Asians" do better at Business.

Excellent stuff, Skeet. Yep.....excellent.

dennis and skeet. the great modern thinkers.

can women drive race cars as well as a man?

Danica Patrick

Gypsy Jan - 5-30-2011 at 03:08 PM

And the women to come who will righteously earn their seat in the race car.

DENNIS - 5-30-2011 at 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
dennis and skeet.

Another deep thinker. Goat...you amaze me.
I'm also amazed when I see piles of sht on a sidewalk.
Amazing.

mtgoat666 - 5-30-2011 at 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
And the women to come who will righteously earn their seat in the race car.

she has never won the indy 500, never will. she is bailing out to go to knuckle dragger pastime of nascar.

her best career move was skimpy bikini for godaddy

:lol: