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Manhunt in the Cape Region

Bajatripper - 6-13-2011 at 09:34 PM

It was reported in the local paper today that two ministerial police officers were gunned down yesterday at around 4:30 p.m. along the highway between La Paz and Los Barriles, around San Antonio (at kilometer marker 153.5). Several arms were used in the assault, including AK-47s (cuerno de chivo). Apparently, the police vehicle was parked along the side of the road when a late 90s white Chevy Blazer pulled up and opened fire.

At present, they haven't caught the suspects, but the vehicle they presumably used was abandoned a short distance from the crime scene and the suspects are thought to have escaped into the surrounding hills. Local police and the military are now involved in a massive manhunt throughout the Cape Region.

Probably not a bad time to keep those doors locked, especially around the Los Barriles-Buena Vista-East Cape region.

bajajurel - 6-13-2011 at 09:53 PM

this is not good news. I hope the violence isn't spreading.

verify ?

bajadave1 - 6-14-2011 at 05:34 AM

Can you verify this story? I can't find a reference anywhere.

Eli - 6-14-2011 at 05:49 AM

Guns ablazing violence in my little corner of the world, how sad it is to read this. In all the years I have lived in L.B., I never felt the need to lock the door. Of course, we do have 3 big dogs and 1 little yappy one in the yard.

latina - 6-14-2011 at 05:58 AM

The article was in the policiaca section of the Sudcaliforniana newspaper yesterday.

Osprey - 6-14-2011 at 07:10 AM

I just read the Sudcalifornia article online and THE POLICEMEN KILLED WERE NOT POLICIA MINISTERIO -- THEY WERE POLICIA MUNICIPAL, LOCAL COPS WHO WORK IN SAN ANTONIO. PROBABLY A LOCAL DEAL, NOT A CARTEL MATTER AT ALL.

windgrrl - 6-14-2011 at 07:20 AM

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2106564.htm

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PORFIRIO SARABIA PACHECO

La Paz, Baja California Sur .- With several bullet holes own 7.62x39 caliber AK-47 rifle, known as "Goat Horns" in the head and body, fell dead yesterday afternoon, the Municipal Police: José Ramón Manriquez Manriquez Manriquez Leyva and Jorge Adalberto, in fulfilling its duty.

It was reported that the double homicide happened at approximately 16:30 on 12 June 2011, in the 153 + mile stretch of highway 500 San Pedro-Los Barriles, municipality of La Paz, Baja California Sur.

It seems that the killers are part of a criminal cell of organized crime, by the way they act and the type of weapon they carry. Not established whether the facts have nexus with drug trafficking.

Mexican Army Personnel, Police Ministerial, members of the State Preventive Police and the Municipal Preventive Police, have surrounded the roads and villages around San Antonio, Baja California Sur, in search of the suspected assassins.

It is established that the double murder occurred when the SP-57 patrol with the police MH620 plates was parked at the roadside in the mile, when a vehicle appeared GMC, Blazer type, white, 1997 model, without license plates movement, whose crew as they approached the soldiers opened fire, peppering them with burst of AK-47 rifles, known as "goat horn" and fled.

The scene of the events attended various elements of all the police forces who cordoned off the area and began searching for the suspected assassins, with negative results.

However, it was able to locate that vehicle a few miles of the crime scene, abandoned by the gunmen, it is not known how many crew were, and fled on foot penetrating the mountain, so that the armed forces and police tracked since yesterday afternoon and evening the mountains, ravines and trails adjacent to the municipalities of La Paz and Los Cabos, Baja California Sur, searching for the gunmen.

It was also reported that in the scene were found apart from the bodies of the policemen, two chargers AK-47 rifles "Goat horns" with 30 rounds utilies each, and a plastic bag containing 60 rounds of ammunition for the same rifle.

The Deputy Public Investigator Common Law came to the place, doing the lifting bodies for transfer to the amphitheater of the Ombudsman for the practice of the autopsy, pending the causes of death.

It is noteworthy that the Attorney General of the State, as always provided no information on double homicide, but the spokeswoman of the same through an email reported that at 22:00 or 23:00 hours Yesterday, the institution would issue an official information.
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DENNIS - 6-14-2011 at 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by bajajurel
this is not good news. I hope the violence isn't spreading.

People speak so often about the threat of organized crime to the country when it's the disorganized crime that is spreading like fire.
What a freakin' mess.

baronvonbob - 6-14-2011 at 08:03 AM

I suppose they are going to saty the AK47 was made in american and distribuited by????

choyero - 6-14-2011 at 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by Osprey
I just read the Sudcalifornia article online and THE POLICEMEN KILLED WERE NOT POLICIA MINISTERIO -- THEY WERE POLICIA MUNICIPAL, LOCAL COPS WHO WORK IN SAN ANTONIO. PROBABLY A LOCAL DEAL, NOT A CARTEL MATTER AT ALL.

Me thinks that not a lot of locals in San Antonio or even La Paz for that matter, have ak47's, unless it is a local connected with the cartels.

Bajatripper - 6-14-2011 at 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baronvonbob
I suppose they are going to saty the AK47 was made in american and distribuited by????

Who is "they" and what's your point?

jenny.navarrette - 6-14-2011 at 12:40 PM

There's been lots of drug cartel activity in Baja Calfiornia Sur years. It's just that there has been no competition for "plaza" (fight for territory) so it's been under the radar. BCS is a major transshipment point for drugs. They come across the SOC from Sonora and then are packed overland to the Pacific and up to the staging areas in Rosarito/Ensenada.

Just as Acapulco and then Mazatlan turned to crap, so will Puerto Vallarta and then Cabo San Lucas. Can't stop progress. The cartels love tourists. All the in-and-out activity gives them great cover.

[Edited on 6-14-2011 by jenny.navarrette]

DENNIS - 6-14-2011 at 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
They come across the SOC from Sonora and then are packed overland to the Pacific and up to the staging areas in Rosarito/Ensenada.

My info has it that it comes into Ensenada in container ships. Has for years. No roadblocks out there.

Osprey - 6-14-2011 at 01:02 PM

Jenny and I no longer work for the Mexican tourism department. We quit. There's drug activity everywhere, a lot of it right here in Baja Sur like she says. Don't come down here. Stay away.

BajaBlanca - 6-14-2011 at 01:45 PM

just terrible ...

JESSE - 6-14-2011 at 01:53 PM

I have a feeling those two guys are NEVER getting out of that desert.

jenny.navarrette - 6-14-2011 at 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Osprey
Jenny and I no longer work for the Mexican tourism department. We quit. There's drug activity everywhere, a lot of it right here in Baja Sur like she says. Don't come down here. Stay away.

Maybe you should post a warning in Baja Good Life magazine, Jorgecito.

I May

Bajahowodd - 6-14-2011 at 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by baronvonbob
I suppose they are going to saty the AK47 was made in american and distribuited by????

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/14/mexico-drug-war-sei...

I know there's been a "size" contest on this forum about the sources of weapons for the cartels.

But, considering that in the industrialized world, the US is alone the "gun crazy" country, why do people keep wanting to deny the reality??

The US has more guns per capita than any other industrialized country. The US also has the most lax gun control in the industrialized world.

Remember, please, I'm not looking to engage in a pro or anti- gun debate. Seriously.

I just want to point out the obvious. If the country at Mexico's Northern border allows such a free intercourse of weapons, how in the world do people continue to deny that we are a major source of the weapons fueling the drug wars?

If you can obtain automatic weapons in Texas, why go to Africa or South America? Just asking.

Iflyfish - 6-14-2011 at 04:40 PM

This is very close to Cabo Pulmo and should get as much press as possible. The desert is rife with cartel guys shooting up the place, pelegroso, mui pelegroso!

IflyfishinfearandtrepidationandwillNEVERswimcabopulmocauseofpistoleros

john68 - 6-14-2011 at 04:44 PM

automatic weapons have been strictly controlled in the U.S. since 1934.

Those seriously interested in the flow of guns from the U.S. to Mexico should follow Congress' current investigation of the ATF's Operation Fast and Furious. The ATF is alleged to have encouraged the illegal sale and export of thousands of weapons to Mexico.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2011/0309/Mexico-law...

David K - 6-14-2011 at 04:46 PM

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Now I am confused!! :?:

Skeet just posted NOW is the time to move to Baja Sur!!

DENNIS - 6-14-2011 at 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by john68
Those seriously interested in the flow of guns from the U.S. to Mexico should follow Congress' current investigation of the ATF's Operation Fast and Furious. The ATF is alleged to have encouraged the illegal sale and export of thousands of weapons to Mexico.

Yeah.....we all know this, so what's your point?

john68 - 6-14-2011 at 04:55 PM

the point is the story that a "gun-happy U.S." is supplying "automatic weapons" to Mexican drug cartels isn't quite true.

Bajahowodd - 6-14-2011 at 04:56 PM

Let's not conflate the quasi-legal ATF program with the smuggling of weapons SOB.

windgrrl - 6-14-2011 at 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Iflyfish
This is very close to Cabo Pulmo and should get as much press as possible. The desert is rife with cartel guys shooting up the place, pelegroso, mui pelegroso!

IflyfishinfearandtrepidationandwillNEVERswimcabopulmocauseofpistoleros

Hmmm...guess we shouldn't have paddled our inflatable kayak across the bay in the marine park, eh?!!

DENNIS - 6-14-2011 at 05:02 PM

None of us here will ever know the details, but what we do know doesn't look good on this issue.

What does "conflate" mean, Howard? Is it something you would do to a Beachball in a private moment?

john68 - 6-14-2011 at 05:25 PM

Fast and Furious was a half-baked plan that contributed to the death of a U.S. agent in Mexico and who knows how many Mexicans. What part of that is "quasi-legal"?

If you want to want to help Mexico, forget about repealing that pesky 2nd Amendment and try the U.S. War on Drugs. George Schultz and Paul Volcker, two notarious anti-establishment types, had a thoughtful editorial in the WSJ a few days ago.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230439270457637...

If Schultz and Volcker are writing stuff like this, maybe there's hope for a rational debate.

Osprey - 6-14-2011 at 06:26 PM

Dennis, hate to butt in here but conflate must mean "to leave alone any object which is inflated". I didn't look that up. Just a matter of underinduction -- I tried to put myself into the word, the "bush at the bottom of the garden", the core of the core meaning he was after. It also could mean the obverse, "To gnash, swallow and eat baloons".

bajamigo - 6-14-2011 at 06:33 PM

:lol:

krafty - 6-14-2011 at 07:09 PM

sad but true-the NRA has really got a hold on ya, and members see nothing wrong with this. Who the heck needs an AK-47?

wessongroup - 6-14-2011 at 10:23 PM

"Who the heck needs an AK-47?"

Your right... nothing without a 40 mm grenade launcher ... attached

Cypress - 6-15-2011 at 04:56 AM

Those mass graves on the mainland are full of people who needed Kalashnikovs.

durrelllrobert - 6-15-2011 at 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd

Quote:

Originally posted by baronvonbob
I suppose they are going to saty the AK47 was made in american and distribuited by????

The US has more guns per capita than any other industrialized country. The US also has the most lax gun control in the industrialized world.

yes, we have the most guns/capita but not most used used to commit murder primarily:
Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) (most recent) by country

Showing latest available data.
# 1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people
# 2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people
# 3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people
# 4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people
# 5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people
# 6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people
# 7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people
# 8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
# 9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people
# 10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people
# 11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people
# 12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people
# 13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people
# 14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people
# 15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 people
# 16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people
# 17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people
# 18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people
# 19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people
# 20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people
# 21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people
# 22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people
# 23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people
# 24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people
# 25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people
# 26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people
# 27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people
# 28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people
# 29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people
# 30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people
# 31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people
# 32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people
Weighted average: 0.1 per 1,000 people

If you can obtain automatic weapons in Texas, why go to Africa or South America? Just asking.

Throughout the world, the AK and its variants are among the most commonly smuggled small arms sold to governments, rebels, criminals, and civilians alike, with little international oversight.[citation needed] In some countries, prices for AKs are very low; in Somalia, Rwanda, Mozambique, Congo and Ethiopia, prices are between $30 and $125 per weapon, and prices have fallen in the last few decades due to mass counterfeiting. Moisés Naím observed that in a small town in Kenya in 1986, an AK-47 cost fifteen cows but that in 2005, the price was down to four cows indicating that supply was "immense".[42] The weapon has appeared in a number of conflicts including clashes in the Balkans, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Somalia.[43]

After the Soviet retreat from Afghanistan, the Soviet Army left quantities of weapons including AKs[citation needed] which were subsequently used in the civil war between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance and were also exported to Pakistan. The gun is now also made in Pakistan's semi-autonomous areas (see more at Khyber Pass Copy). It is widely used by tribes in Africa like the Hamer, amongst others.[citation needed]

The World Bank estimates that out of the 500 million total firearms available worldwide, 100 million are of the Kalashnikov family, and 75 million of which are AK-47s.[44]

toneart - 6-15-2011 at 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
None of us here will ever know the details, but what we do know doesn't look good on this issue.

What does "conflate" mean, Howard? Is it something you would do to a Beachball in a private moment?

Conflatulations, Dennis! You have a good nose for words. :light:

windgrrl - 6-15-2011 at 12:18 PM

Google Translate

No clues murderers of policemen, the search continues in the mountains south of the capital
La Paz
Manuel Espinoza

Attorney reported yesterday that at least 50 elements involved municipal, ministerial and state, together with the Armed Forces

Until yesterday they had no clues to the suspected murderers of two municipal police commissioners in the community of San Antonio, so the pedestrian operating for its location and probable arrest, continued with the participation of hundreds of items between Armed Forces , municipal police, officials and state.
The state prosecutor, Gamil Arreola Leal reported that fortunately has a close coordination with the federal military, state and municipal governments, which jointly carried out this operation in the mountains south of the capital.
He said checkpoints have been stepped up and operating along the road Transpeninsular with its connections to roads and trails, but also visiting villages settled in the mountains between San Antonio, San Bartolo and James, if the alleged killers contact to the residents for food, water, or failing that some transport to reach out to communities.
http://www.tribunadeloscabos.com.mx/newpage2/index.cfm?op=po...
As reported at the time Tribuna de Los Cabos, two elements of the Municipal Public Security were found dead a few meters of the road leading from the Federal Highway to the community of San Antonio de la Sierra, same as showed signs of violence and tens of shots to the body, transcending who had been killed by the occupants of a white GMC Jimmy, 1997 model, which would be secured by the authorities.
The officers killed were identified as Jose Ramon Manriquez Jorge Manriquez and Adalberto Leyva Manriquez, 39 and 36 years old, respectively, both originating and residing in the community of San Antonio, where they were widely known and are not related to negative attitudes or overbearing in the population, in fulfilling their duties.
The research raises the presumption that the officers arrested the progress of the patrol and went to investigate a suspicious car, but were surprised by the occupants after a scuffle between them, were submitted and the vehicle's occupants against them suspects emptied several magazines of bullets caliber, as evidence because it found five empty magazines, and a package (shirt) with hundreds of bullets used.
There is information indicating that the insured vehicle was acquired Thursday in a yard in the capital city, which means that their occupants are inside the country and came to this entity also recently, however, the data provided by the prospective buyer may be false.
The unit also found several bags of groceries, which seems to suggest that the suspects had enough supplies to stay several days camped somewhere in the Sierra de la Laguna.
As of yesterday did not report any progress, so this day will continue the search in the mountains and checkpoints, guards and the airport terminals, sea and land, according to the attorney through the Social Communication Unit .

slimshady - 6-15-2011 at 09:42 PM

So who exactly who are the looking for? They are throwing a wide net yet proably have no suspect information.