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TIME TO MOVE TO BAJA SUR

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Skeet/Loreto - 6-14-2011 at 04:08 PM

Mi Amigos and Nomads. Now is the time to think about moving to Baja for a couple of years.

Especially if your Income is from Investments,
I think that in the next few years we are going to have some Tuff times. So Count your Pesos and think about taking it easy for a couple of years until things get started back to better times.

I made my move at I think a good time and it worked out Great. We need to let the "Bad" people do their thing and we can relax on the Beach in Baja.

I know that you can find some real good deals all over Baja Sur and if you need to go back and forth La Paz is an excellent place to live,.


Skeet/Loreto

David K - 6-14-2011 at 04:42 PM

So no more Texas???

Skeet/Loreto - 6-14-2011 at 05:00 PM

No David I will stay in Texas, I was referring to my move in 1983.

At my age I can weather the Storm from Here.

But things are going to get bad the next couple of years as they did in 82.

Why fight it? Move to a Cheaper living and wait it out.

JESSE - 6-14-2011 at 05:08 PM

Skeet, please stop advertising La Paz as a great place to live. This city is ugly, loud, dirty, full of smog, and we are very mean and agressive towards outsiders. Theres rattlesnakes everywhere, spiders, scorpions. Sewage everywhere, dogs are rabious and crazy and roam the streets bitting people. The beaches are full of trash, aguas malas everywhere, and sharks with lasers roam around looking for victims. Theres hoarhouses almost at every corner, drug abuse is rampant. Property values tumble.

So as you can see, nobody in their right mind, would want to come down and live in La Paz.

mtgoat666 - 6-14-2011 at 05:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No David I will stay in Texas, I was referring to my move in 1983.



1983 was quite horrible, we were in midst of Reagan administration!
horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Curt63 - 6-14-2011 at 05:31 PM

Jesse, sounds like my kind of place!

Skeet/Loreto - 6-14-2011 at 05:55 PM

Hey! Let all the DOPERS go to Cabo. If you really want a good place to live. La Paz is Super. Good Cheap rents, good Airline Service, and not really many Americans/Canadians.

If i needed to go back to Back that is where i would go. I was fed up with LBJ and his EOA and paying Pimps $17,00o a year to Pimp in Oakland,
But that is Democrats for you.

Seriously things are going to get Tough here and I think that if you can do it with your Investments and keep Control you will be better advised to take a Couple of good years and go to Baja Sur, The people are Great, the services are Great,

Skeet

capitolkat - 6-14-2011 at 06:46 PM

Jesse- just keep telling it like it is!!!-- moto you have no clue how it was or is..

Bajaboy - 6-14-2011 at 06:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Hey! Let all the DOPERS go to Cabo. If you really want a good place to live. La Paz is Super. Good Cheap rents, good Airline Service, and not really many Americans/Canadians.

If i needed to go back to Back that is where i would go. I was fed up with LBJ and his EOA and paying Pimps $17,00o a year to Pimp in Oakland,
But that is Democrats for you.

Seriously things are going to get Tough here and I think that if you can do it with your Investments and keep Control you will be better advised to take a Couple of good years and go to Baja Sur, The people are Great, the services are Great,

Skeet


Yep, Texas is a model for the rest of the country.:?:

drarroyo - 6-14-2011 at 07:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Skeet, please stop advertising La Paz as a great place to live. This city is ugly, loud, dirty, full of smog, and we are very mean and agressive towards outsiders. Theres rattlesnakes everywhere, spiders, scorpions. Sewage everywhere, dogs are rabious and crazy and roam the streets bitting people. The beaches are full of trash, aguas malas everywhere, and sharks with lasers roam around looking for victims. Theres hoarhouses almost at every corner, drug abuse is rampant. Property values tumble.

So as you can see, nobody in their right mind, would want to come down and live in La Paz.


you are learning, grasshopper.

sancho - 6-14-2011 at 08:31 PM

I spent some time in La Paz back in the day, and there
are few places in Mex that have such a tranquil ambiance
as one of those red sunsets viewed from the Malecon.
Hanging out with some of the Characters from the Old
Marina. I remember a watering hole right in front
of the Old Marina, Molina something. The now defunct
Cardon trailer park. Camping out at Muertos Bay
near Los Planes, fun times indeed

Roberto - 6-14-2011 at 08:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I think that in the next few years we are going to have some Tuff times. So Count your Pesos and think about taking it easy for a couple of years until things get started back to better times.
Skeet/Loreto


Yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaawwwwwwwww! Skeet has figured it out! Tough times ahead! Time to batten down the hatches.

Next he will discover that fish stocks worldwide are down. Including the Sea of Cortez. Will wonders ever cease?

[Edited on 6-15-2011 by Roberto]

mike odell - 6-14-2011 at 09:28 PM

Ha,Ha Jesse,
You think it's bad in La Paz? Drive down to my hell hole of La Ribera!
New clients have taken over my R V Park, all my spaces are full of converted Cadillac Escalade Motorhomes, Blacked out window streched limo Suburban wannabes, demanding that I raise my prices, so that they can
launder more money. Hard to sleep at night as, you mentioned, the area is now full of rabid dogs with swine flu, roaming everywhere, I have to wear full body armour, just to go outside to pee on my cactus. I got bit 7 times last night by a 17 foot rattler, good thing I put antivenom on my morning tacos and tequila,or I would not be here writing this. all the canuckin mounties have left me high and dry for the frozen northern hinterlands,
I only have some hope that Osprey will somehow be able to swim through the raw sewage running 4 feet deep through our arroyo like streets, to bring me a rusty can of Coors Lite, as there is no more Pacifico to be had in Southern Baja. I just had to yell at my tenants If they did not quit playing that god afull frank sinatra music so loud I will be forced to lower their damn space rent, boy, I know how to make them toe the line! I will have to fire up my front end loader in the morning though, to push the 4 ton nightly acumulation of trash into the sea, can't hurt, theirs no more fish anyway, except man eating carp. Jesse, I could ramble on , but then I'd just be rambling on, It seems that only you and I know the real truth.
Good Gracias, reality is a stone cold b-tch. Oh, and could you send me a recipe on how to cook agua malas I have 12 tons in the freezers, and am at a loss on how to cook the damn things. wanna buy my chain of hoarhouses? Good prices, the new clients bring there own girls.

capt. mike - 6-15-2011 at 05:26 AM

hmmmm.....sounds like La Riberia is the place to be....
can't wait!!

also i hear La Paz has no good restaurants. and zero fine dining.. hahahaha.

Iflyfish - 6-15-2011 at 07:06 AM

Come on guys, take Skeet for example, really, take Skeet!

Iflyfishinrottenmexicanhellholeswithdegeneratesandyouknowwhoyouare

Puckdrop - 6-15-2011 at 07:24 AM

Hummmm Jesse I sense reverse sociology here!:biggrin:

shari - 6-15-2011 at 08:38 AM

Hey Skeeter...maybe you should check out Victoria...this ride looks right up your alley amigo!!!

http://youtu.be/ae6EiZnIRco













[Edited on 6-15-2011 by shari]

Skeet/Loreto - 6-15-2011 at 08:44 AM

shari:

Not for me! Victoria Bay is the most Toxic and Filthist Piece of Water in the World.
Can imagine How Filthy some of those Girls Are!!!!!

Eli - 6-15-2011 at 09:30 AM

Jejeje, Shari, how cool is that! Thanks for the posting. It sure looks like folks having good clean fun to me. What a great way to celebrate a warm day.

BajaBlanca - 6-15-2011 at 11:26 AM

now that is a funny video !!!! nekked bums ..... too funny !!

and everybody - for sure do NOT come to la bocana ... horrible food, horrible locals ... mean mean foreigners ..... agua malissimas everywhere .....NO FISH NO FISH NO FISH anywhere anytime ...

the noise of the osprey cats dogs not to mention the ocean is just ridiculous

bad news la bocana :no::no::no:

[Edited on 6-15-2011 by BajaBlanca]

sancho - 6-15-2011 at 11:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Roberto


Yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaawwwwwwwww! Skeet has figured it out! Tough times ahead! Time to batten down the hatches.

Next he will discover that fish stocks worldwide are down. Including the Sea of Cortez. Will wonders ever cease?

[Edited on 6-15-2011 by Roberto]



To me posters that reside or have resided in Baja, have earned a bit
of latitude, space re: Baja info. Skeet falls into that category.
Their posts MAY carry a little more weight than some of us
tourists. They might have a closer insight than those that
don't live there, maybe not this specific post.
Many of us have posted the obvious a time
or 2

elgatoloco - 6-15-2011 at 12:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
shari:

Not for me! Victoria Bay is the most Toxic and Filthist Piece of Water in the World.
Can imagine How Filthy some of those Girls Are!!!!!


Skeeter, do you know what state in USA is the most polluted? You get three guesses and the first two are wrong. :biggrin::saint:

MitchMan - 6-15-2011 at 01:06 PM

I agree with Jesse. La Paz is the worst place in the world with nothing to offer gringos. I say that everytime I get off the plane in La Paz... ten times a year.

Skeet/Loreto - 6-15-2011 at 02:26 PM

egataloce"
I have a feeling that you are going to say Texas.

I have been in Victoria, I have seen the Bay full of Sewage, And they will not do any Thing about It.

I left the Central Valley of Calif.when it was declared the most Toxic place in the states.

Now you will probaly say that the Gulf of Texas is Polutted and I will agree but I do not have to live there as the People in Victoria and the Central Valley of Texas have to experience it each day.

I live in the Cleanest Air and Water in the World. How abour you??

Bajamatic - 6-15-2011 at 02:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
egataloce"
I have a feeling that you are going to say Texas.

I have been in Victoria, I have seen the Bay full of Sewage, And they will not do any Thing about It.

I left the Central Valley of Calif.when it was declared the most Toxic place in the states.

Now you will probaly say that the Gulf of Texas is Polutted and I will agree but I do not have to live there as the People in Victoria and the Central Valley of Texas have to experience it each day.

I live in the Cleanest Air and Water in the World. How abour you??


Whats funny about that is while you have ZERO regard for the environment, or environmental nuts who claim the sky is falling, and the world is being polluted, you are clearly fleeing the results of poor environmental management. What do you think caused the messes from which you flee, wise old skeet?? And who the F is gonna clean em up with folks like you running around on the "Truck and Run" plan??? I wish you'd actually stay the hell out of baja because the last thing any of us want is for that to become your next disaster zone. Wake up old man. its time to see the light.

bajafam - 6-15-2011 at 02:50 PM

I refuse to feed the Skeet.
Just sayin'

Skeet/Loreto - 6-15-2011 at 03:05 PM

Matic:

Who do you think was getting ready to "Screw up Loreto"" Look what happened!

From the very start i ask "Where are they going to get the Water?? Still has not been answered/

I spent 38 good years in Baja Sur and mostly Loreto, then I have to be subject to the Evniro Nuts who have never been there and claim that the Fisherman are taking all the Fish out of the Great Sea of Cortez :LIE!LIE1 LIES!!!!!!!!!!

The species Nuts who calim all this stuff about the Sea of Cortez and have never never been there. LIES1 LIES1 LIES.


tHE nUTS IN THE sTATES WHO THINK THAT THEY CAN cONTROL ANYWHERE THEY GO BECAUSE OF tOURISM. hOW dUMB.

tHEY NEED TO STAY AT hOME TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN cHILDREN AND QUICK sMOKIN dope AND kILLING OTHER pEOPLES cHILDREN!!!!!

mike odell - 6-15-2011 at 03:21 PM

Careful there Skeetie, your last post reads like your ready to pop some blood
vessels.:o:o

mtgoat666 - 6-15-2011 at 03:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I live in the Cleanest Air and Water in the World.


too bad your mind is so polluted!

Skeet/Loreto - 6-15-2011 at 03:53 PM

On Occassion When some of these Worthless Nuts" start talking Bull Puckey I simply Lose It.

Most of the time I thinkl of my Brother Veterans who have given so much so these Lunatics can have a good Free Life!

Look at what is happening in Greece and may Happen to all of the Euro nations and then tell me the USA is still not the Best?


Maybe I should go outside and play with my new Bunny Rabbits?

JESSE - 6-15-2011 at 03:58 PM

Any person that shows up in La Paz with the intent of living here will be shot on the spot.

:lol:

Bajamatic - 6-15-2011 at 04:05 PM

I think you should take your outdated rhetoric and have a moment with the rabbits. Good idea.

drarroyo - 6-15-2011 at 11:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajamatic
Wake up old man. its time to see the light.


yyea, good luck with that. just sayin'

bull puckey

mike odell - 6-15-2011 at 11:56 PM

Whoo haw, get the board a jumpin,
Git that giddion book a thumpin.
Gotta get right withe the power that be
Google up and maybe you'll will see
Gotta git down, git funky,or
it's a justa fuzzy monkey, you'll be
Ole Skeet he's a keeper
20 years off the grim reaper
But He's here, and a keeper to me.
Like him or not,
He does require thought
AGAIN,
Skeeter, Keep a boastin, yore age ain't store bought,
sometimes,ya'll post without thought,
But it always gets the board out of the doldrums, can't ryme with
doldrums so nite all.

Skeet/Loreto - 6-16-2011 at 01:30 PM

La Paz is the First Choice for any of you future Baja Residents. It has some great Fishing, Great Beaches, Great People.
I will bet that you can fine some great Mexican Houses for Rent in some great locations.
You can also keep American money in the Banks, Invest with pesos in the Interest Notes, Look around, make a visit down and look around.

Things are going to get tough in the States the next couple of Years,

I would seriously think about moving back to Baja Sur but I must stay and Help my Fellow Texan get to be the Next President of this Great USA!

mtgoat666 - 6-16-2011 at 01:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Things are going to get tough in the States the next couple of Years,


skeet:
tell us why it's going to get rough. any rougher than it has been?

Skeet/Loreto - 6-16-2011 at 02:03 PM

Yes:

The reason is that so many people have defaulted, Jobs in Two Job Homes have been cut to One Job.
There is lots of Money that the banks are having trouble lending, People are not Investing as they did in the past

The Car Market prices have gone up 20% since last year. Used Car Market is Sky Hight.

There are many reasons when you look at some of the States that have Schools going Bankrupt.

Now is the Time to "Hold on to your Funds as much as Possible. Wait it out. The Election Cycle will be involved to some extint.
If I had two cars and could get by with One, Now is when I would sell the used car while the Market is up.

Under the leadership of Perry Texas has done well with its Jobs Growth. 4 million People in the past 10 years have moved in. I hope we can keep the Jobs going. Looks good here so far,

If you do not have to have a Fancy Home, Large Boat, and a Couple of Cars you can live and Eat real good in Baja Sur.

I am just saying that some of you folks should really look into it.

Skeet,

mtgoat666 - 6-16-2011 at 02:42 PM

skeet:
so the solution is to QUIT our jobs, live off of our investments, and conserve money by moving to mexico and eating beans and rice?

Skeet/Loreto - 6-16-2011 at 03:05 PM

Goat:

Would you please go somewhere else/ this is a serious issue for some people.
Please!

Pescador - 6-16-2011 at 03:34 PM

Well, the great debate continues between those who see the world through "liberal eyeglasses" and those who see the world with "conservative eyeware", but we are not much closer to the matter than ever. One question keeps jumping up and deserves at least a careful answer. The United States was, at one time, the standard of the entire world, average income was higher than anywhere else, the standard of living was the centerpiece by which all other civilizations were compared, we did more to help and assist other countries than anyone else in the world, and were the modicum of invention and development. That has gone downhill so rapidly that even those who are not too aware have to admit that things are deteriorating at a rapid pace.
Until we quit trying to blame the other side of the fence and quit the stupid division of who is right and take a serious look at what went wrong, we never have even a glimmer of a chance to correct the crash course we seem to be on.
I know that Skeet misses the boat occasionaly, especially about the fish populations but he may have hit the nail on the head with this one. I chose to retire in Mexico for pretty much the same reason as Skeeter is talking about. I am tired of living in a "Politically Correct" world where they think it is OK to tax me into oblivion with Income tax, gasoline tax, sales tax, employement tax, Social Security tax, Estate tax, etc., and then when they find out they are not taking in enough money, they just happen to raise traffic tickets and the like 10 times above what they were just one year ago. I am tired of having to send my grandkids to schools that are going downhill in terms of academic achievement but want more money every year to operate. I am totally tired of government intruding into every little facet of my life when they were not invited or welcomed.
So, with all the little facets that make Mexico a different environment like inneficiency and corruption, it is still a step back to a little simpler time in the world where I can be concerned with the really major important things each day, like where are the fish biting today and what do they want to eat.

mike odell - 6-16-2011 at 03:35 PM

Skeets,
Is this really you? Lucid and crainial ,with spelling ,or is this your alter ego?
I like ya better a bunch when ya ramble!!
Grab yourself a double twoeyed tequila and report back.:spingrin:

mike odell - 6-16-2011 at 03:43 PM

Pescador,
My simplistic point of view is: Most Everthing I really like to do, is now virtualy
not legal or restricted in the USA! I'll stay here in South Baja, thank you very much,
until when and if it gets better in the land of the Free and the Brave.:)

mtgoat666 - 6-16-2011 at 03:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador
Well, the great debate continues between those who see the world through "liberal eyeglasses" and those who see the world with "conservative eyeware", but we are not much closer to the matter than ever. One question keeps jumping up and deserves at least a careful answer. The United States was, at one time, the standard of the entire world, average income was higher than anywhere else, the standard of living was the centerpiece by which all other civilizations were compared, we did more to help and assist other countries than anyone else in the world, and were the modicum of invention and development. That has gone downhill so rapidly that even those who are not too aware have to admit that things are deteriorating at a rapid pace.
Until we quit trying to blame the other side of the fence and quit the stupid division of who is right and take a serious look at what went wrong, we never have even a glimmer of a chance to correct the crash course we seem to be on.
I know that Skeet misses the boat occasionaly, especially about the fish populations but he may have hit the nail on the head with this one. I chose to retire in Mexico for pretty much the same reason as Skeeter is talking about. I am tired of living in a "Politically Correct" world where they think it is OK to tax me into oblivion with Income tax, gasoline tax, sales tax, employement tax, Social Security tax, Estate tax, etc., and then when they find out they are not taking in enough money, they just happen to raise traffic tickets and the like 10 times above what they were just one year ago. I am tired of having to send my grandkids to schools that are going downhill in terms of academic achievement but want more money every year to operate. I am totally tired of government intruding into every little facet of my life when they were not invited or welcomed.
So, with all the little facets that make Mexico a different environment like inneficiency and corruption, it is still a step back to a little simpler time in the world where I can be concerned with the really major important things each day, like where are the fish biting today and what do they want to eat.


you hate taxes, but you scream bloody murder is someone tries to take away your SS, medicare, federally funded transportation system, etc.
if you are so righteous then tell us how you have declined medicare!

DENNIS - 6-16-2011 at 03:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
you hate taxes, but you scream bloody murder is someone tries to take away your SS, medicare, federally funded transportation system, etc.
if you are so righteous then tell us how you have declined medicare!



We paid dearly for these things throughout our work life and it's unreasonable for us not to get what we paid for.
Had the brain-dead governments not bought bombs and supported illegals with our fund, there wouldn't be a problem today.

SS wasn't supposed to be a retirement program anyway, but when it's all you have, it's all you have.

Thank Gawd I have more.

mike odell - 6-16-2011 at 04:06 PM

Well stated senior Dennis, Bravo times a factor of 12.

oxxo - 6-16-2011 at 04:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The reason is that so many people have defaulted, Jobs in Two Job Homes have been cut to One Job.


Thank you loads W!

Quote:
There is lots of Money that the banks are having trouble lending,


Because the banks are paying all those record executive bonuses?

Quote:
many reasons when you look at some of the States that have Schools going Bankrupt.


Because most States are cutting funding? Yeeeee ha Tejas!

Quote:
Now is the Time to "Hold on to your Funds as much as Possible. Wait it out.


Uhhhh, I thought you said above, no one is investing! I wonder why with your attitude. Everytime you open your mouth you get trapped in your own contradictory nonsense.

Quote:
The Election Cycle will be involved to some extint.


Yep, it looks like four more years with the losers being promoted by the opposition party.

Quote:
If I had two cars and could get by with One, Now is when I would sell the used car while the Market is up.


If I had two cars, they both would be hybrids

Quote:
Under the leadership of Perry Texas has done well with its Jobs Growth. 4 million People in the past 10 years have moved in. I hope we can keep the Jobs going. Looks good here so far,


Well then forget La Pa' we should ALL move to Tejas!

Quote:
If you do not have to have a Fancy Home, Large Boat, and a Couple of Cars you can live and Eat real good in Baja Sur.


Hey what about all that good life in Tejas?

Quote:
I am just saying that some of you folks should really look into it.


You mean Tejas? Nah, too many Skeeterbug types there for me. Loreto and Central Valley of California loss is Tejas gain!:yes: I'll just stay in my little hell hole here in San Jose del Cabo thank you. ;D

[Edited on 6-17-2011 by oxxo]

mtgoat666 - 6-16-2011 at 04:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
you hate taxes, but you scream bloody murder is someone tries to take away your SS, medicare, federally funded transportation system, etc.
if you are so righteous then tell us how you have declined medicare!



We paid dearly for these things throughout our work life and it's unreasonable for us not to get what we paid for.


then quit complaining about taxes to pay for your stinking entitlements! you don't work, so your tax rate is probably pretty low. or do you want to cut education just to pay for old people to sit around and complain about those damn young people?!

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Had the brain-dead governments not bought bombs and supported illegals with our fund, there wouldn't be a problem today.


it was your generation - it was your your government! seems like congress is made up of people your age!

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
SS wasn't supposed to be a retirement program


yes, it was. yes, it is a retirement program. if it is not a retirement program what is it? a vacation savings fund?

Pescador - 6-16-2011 at 04:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador
Well, the great debate continues between those who see the world through "liberal eyeglasses" and those who see the world with "conservative eyeware", but we are not much closer to the matter than ever. One question keeps jumping up and deserves at least a careful answer. The United States was, at one time, the standard of the entire world, average income was higher than anywhere else, the standard of living was the centerpiece by which all other civilizations were compared, we did more to help and assist other countries than anyone else in the world, and were the modicum of invention and development. That has gone downhill so rapidly that even those who are not too aware have to admit that things are deteriorating at a rapid pace.
Until we quit trying to blame the other side of the fence and quit the stupid division of who is right and take a serious look at what went wrong, we never have even a glimmer of a chance to correct the crash course we seem to be on.
I know that Skeet misses the boat occasionaly, especially about the fish populations but he may have hit the nail on the head with this one. I chose to retire in Mexico for pretty much the same reason as Skeeter is talking about. I am tired of living in a "Politically Correct" world where they think it is OK to tax me into oblivion with Income tax, gasoline tax, sales tax, employement tax, Social Security tax, Estate tax, etc., and then when they find out they are not taking in enough money, they just happen to raise traffic tickets and the like 10 times above what they were just one year ago. I am tired of having to send my grandkids to schools that are going downhill in terms of academic achievement but want more money every year to operate. I am totally tired of government intruding into every little facet of my life when they were not invited or welcomed.
So, with all the little facets that make Mexico a different environment like inneficiency and corruption, it is still a step back to a little simpler time in the world where I can be concerned with the really major important things each day, like where are the fish biting today and what do they want to eat.


you hate taxes, but you scream bloody murder is someone tries to take away your SS, medicare, federally funded transportation system, etc.
if you are so righteous then tell us how you have declined medicare!


No righteous indignation here. You are making assumptions which you have no information about at all. I am an insurance agent and have an extensive background in health insurance and medicare policies. I, in fact, did cancel my medicare insurance this year and am covered with Seguros Popular in Mexico.
I am totally convinced that the biggest major problem in the US is the out of control debt and what that is doing to the economic stability of the country so I have made some major life decisions about how I live out my retirement and of what services I partake in. As with all social programs it becomes a clear issue of what does it cost and how do we go about paying for it.
So, be careful, if you only look at the world through your "liberal lenses" you may miss a whole lot of information.

oxxo - 6-16-2011 at 05:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador I am totally convinced that the biggest major problem in the US is the out of control debt and what that is doing to the economic stability of the country ..................... So, be careful, if you only look at the world through your "liberal lenses" you may miss a whole lot of information.


Well, which Presidential Administration saw the biggest increase in the National Debt - both in gross dollars and percentage (Hint it is not Obama). So you also have to be careful looking at the world through your "conservative lenses."

Pescador - 6-16-2011 at 07:10 PM

Here are the exact figures:

The numbers below do NOT reflect the actual National Debt. Instead, they reflect the amount of the INCREASE in the National Debt during each presidential term.

> Ronald Reagan’s First Term – $656 billion increase

> Ronald Reagan’s Second Term – $1.036 trillion increase

> George H.W. Bush’s Term – $1.587 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s First Term – $1.122 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s Second Term – $418 billion increase

> George W. Bush’s First Term – $1.885 trillion increase

> George W. Bush’s Second Term – $3.014 trillion increase

> Barack Obama’s First “Year” – $1.573 trillion increase

To summarize, the National Debt increased by huge amounts under each of these presidents. The largest increase for a complete term occured during George W. Bush’s second term. The largest increse during a single year occurred during Barack Obama’s first year.
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But, again, it is not a conservative vs. a liberal view nor is it a Democrat vs. Republican view as OXXO seems to imply. Both parties are run away and as long as they can keep everyone arguing over liberal vs. conservative, no one really sees the bigger problem.

oxxo - 6-17-2011 at 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by Pescador So, be careful, if you only look at the world through your "liberal lenses" you may miss a whole lot of information.

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Originally posted by PescadorBut, again, it is not a conservative vs. a liberal view nor is it a Democrat vs. Republican view as OXXO seems to imply.


Au contraire, Sr. Pescador, it is Sr. Pescador who is trying to make it a conservative vs. liberal view.

Obama's first term is not complete, so the final story has not been told on him. At this point it is W who has done most as a President to run the USA to the point of bankruptcy.

oxxo - 6-17-2011 at 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Why stop at just one year of Obama, when two is so very, very much grander a number??


If you liked his first two years, you are going to love 6 more! I wonder which buffoon the Teapublicans will sacrifice in 2012?

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Also consider in Bush's term we were attacked and went to war, not cheap....


Yep, that's right and W didn't plan for anyway to pay for it except put it on the National credit card. It is now time to pay that credit card debt.

We were not attacked by Iraq. We were attacked by terrorists from various Middle Eastern countries (not one of which was an Iraqi citizen). The leader of the terrorists was OBL, a Saudi Arabian. Why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia then?

And where exactly are those "weapons of mass destruction" we went after in Iraq?

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yet after a brief pause after the attack, America rebounded and continued to grow and produce more jobs.


You mean the "housing bubble" right? :lol:

MitchMan - 6-17-2011 at 11:41 AM

Economically speaking, a look at the big picture is truly warranted here.

The problem, as I see it is that the working class (at least the bottom 95% in the USA) has seen their income and wealth shrink since the beginning of the 80's. For the last 20 years, GDP has grown by an average of 1/2 trillion each year, but the wealth of the working class has shrunk. Where did the wealth go? Answer: to the top only. In the final analysis, the problem is that there is a lopsided inequitable concentration of wealth and income at the top. Our economy has been skewed and biased in particular over the last 30 years to favor the few at the top while the working class gets poorer and poorer. This is not healthy for people and it is not healthy for the country's economy and is a factor that is leading to the erosion of our world wide standing.

Just before the depression in the 30's, the top 1% owned 40% of the nation's wealth, then there was a bubble, then the crash. After the New Deal fixes and WWII, our country went into a golden period of prosperity. That prosperity and economic benefit was more evenly spread to the working class which lead to a very healthy country. This is reflected in the lowering of the % of wealth at the top. For instance, at about the 1950's, the top 1% had closer to 20% of the nation's wealth. Then came the beginning of the real decline in the 80's and the income and wealth started retracing back to more disparity between the rich and the poor and the fleecing of the middle class and the poor. It culminated in the latest economical debaucle in 2007/8, where the top 1% again had reached the ownership of nearly 40% of the nation's wealth, a bubble, then a crash.

The economic problem currently is that there isn't enough money in the hands of the middle class and poor to provide enough economic demand for goods and services that they need. People can't afford health healthcare, can't afford gasoline, can't afford education for themselves or their children, and the large majority of the middle class and certainly the poor can't afford necessities, yet the top 1% and the top 10% are awash in excess wealth and the country and the world is in a massive recession... go figure. It's the lopsidedness that is killing the country. Businesses are not investing because there isn't enough demand for creation of more product and services. Have you noticed the empty retail spaces in strip centers and shopping malls and businesses in main streets? These businesses went out of business because their sales went down. Their sales went down because the vast majority of Americans don't have money to spend to provide sustaining of businesses, let alone new businesses. Right now, we are only at 70% of our production capacity as there isn't enough demand to justify producing at 100% capacity, let alone new production.

The top 1% owns 37% of the nation's wealth, the top 10% own 71% of the nation's wealth, the top 15% owns 85% of the nation's wealth. The bottom 85% owns 15% of the wealth, the bottom 60% only has 4% of the nation's wealth, the bottom 40% own less than 1/4 of 1% of the nation's wealth. That is not healthy for this country. From one perspective, this is not a conservative/liberal problem as there are plenty of conservatives and Republicans in the bottom 85%, in the bottom 60% as well. The USA ranks the second worst in the world with regard to the disparity of income and wealth. Second! We used to be 3rd, but we recently beat out Mexico!

This is not an indictment of the rich. I am not saying that rich people are bad. Most rich people are very good, most all are very good citizens, they're intelligent, compassionate, disciplined, have a strong good old American work ethic, decent Americans. This is an indictment of the bias in our current economic and policitical and legal system that has skewed our market economy to inequitably favor the top. And, it only takes a few key people to do that biasing: certain politicians, certain leaders of industry, certain pundits, certain economists and academics that have been used by the powerful few (not all of whom are necessarily rich) and a gullible society that drinks the cool aid delivered by these biasing few as this nation has done and has politically and legally allowed the corruption of the market to cause this detrimental and unhealthy lopsided inequitable concentration of wealth and income at the top. The stats prove this.

Our market economy has been overtaken by those that persist in a lopsided and unhealthy inequity. We need to fix it, poilitically, eonomically and legally so that our brand of capitalism and market economy works much better for everyone.

[Edited on 6-17-2011 by MitchMan]

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2011 at 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
Economically speaking, a look at the big picture is truly warranted here.

The problem, as I see it is that the working class (at least the bottom 95% in the USA) has seen their income and wealth shrink since the beginning of the 80's. For the last 20 years, GDP has grown by an average of 1/2 trillion each year, but the wealth of the working class has shrunk. Where did the wealth go? Answer: to the top only. In the final analysis, the problem is that there is a lopsided inequitable concentration of wealth and income at the top. Our economy has been skewed and biased in particular over the last 30 years to favor the few at the top while the working class gets poorer and poorer. This is not healthy for people and it is not healthy for the country's economy and is a factor that is leading to the erosion of our world wide standing.

Just before the depression in the 30's, the top 1% owned 40% of the nation's wealth, then there was a bubble, then the crash. After the New Deal fixes and WWII, our country went into a golden period of prosperity. That prosperity and economic benefit was more evenly spread to the working class which lead to a very healthy country. This is reflected in the lowering of the % of wealth at the top. For instance, at about the 1950's, the top 1% had closer to 20% of the nation's wealth. Then came the beginning of the real decline in the 80's and the income and wealth started retracing back to more disparity between the rich and the poor and the fleecing of the middle class and the poor. It culminated in the latest economical debaucle in 2007/8, where the top 1% again had reached the ownership of nearly 40% of the nation's wealth, a bubble, then a crash.

The economic problem currently is that there isn't enough money in the hands of the middle class and poor to provide enough economic demand for goods and services that they need. People can't afford health healthcare, can't afford gasoline, can't afford education for themselves or their children, and the large majority of the middle class and certainly the poor can't afford necessities, yet the top 1% and the top 10% are awash in excess wealth and the country and the world is in a massive recession... go figure. It's the lopsidedness that is killing the country. Businesses are not investing because there isn't enough demand for creation of more product and services. Have you noticed the empty retail spaces in strip centers and shopping malls and businesses in main streets? These businesses went out of business because their sales went down.

The top 1% owns 37% of the nation's wealth, the top 10% own 71% of the nation's wealth, the top 15% owns 85% of the nation's wealth. The bottom 85% owns 15% of the wealth, the bottom 60% only has 4% of the nation's wealth, the bottom 40% own less than 1/4 of 1% of the nation's wealth. That is not healthy for this country. From one perspective, this is not a conservative/liberal problem as there are plenty of conservatives and Republicans in the bottom 85%, in the bottom 60% as well. The USA ranks the second worst in the world with regard to the disparity of income and wealth. Second! We used to be 3rd, but we recently beat out Mexico!

This is not an indictment of the rich. I am not saying that rich people are bad. Most rich people are very good, most all are very good citizens, they're intelligent, compassionate, disciplined, have a strong good old American work ethic, decent Americans. This is an indictment of the bias in our current economic and policitical and legal system that has skewed our market economy to inequitably favor the top. And, it only takes a few people to do that biasing: certain politicians, certain leaders of industry, certain pundits, certain economists and academics that have been used by the powerful few (not all of whom are necessarily rich) and a gullible society and drinks the cool aid as this nation has done and has politically and legally allowed the corruption of the market to cause this detrimental and unhealthy lopsided inequitable concentration of wealth and income at the top. The stats prove this.

Our market economy has been overtaken by those that persist in inequity. We need to fix it, poilitically, eonomically and legally so that our brand of capitalism and market economy works much better for everyone. That is not case today.:lol:

[Edited on 6-17-2011 by MitchMan]


unbalanced distribution of $$ will grow until one day the straw breaks the camels back and revolution will tear all asunder.

no one said that USA standard of living is guaranteed to citizens. perhaps USA hay days have passed, and we are now on downward slide, destined to be faided empire like britain.

if our hay days are truly a thing of the past, then we would be smart to remake ourselves in socialist image of denmark or sweden, and shift military/police burden to china. perhaps we should all enjoy life of socialism with high standard of living and long vacations, and let chinese do the dirty work for the next few decades.

if you truly support our troops, you would support china taking over as world superpower!!!!!!!!!

MitchMan - 6-17-2011 at 12:11 PM

The unbalances in our economy do not have to be. It is up the the "wising up" of the American people about the real situation at hand and look at the big picture, then vote for the better politicians and for better laws, and better inforcement of the good laws and retraction of the damaging laws. I believe that a healthy, informed voting public and a proper market economy can permit great things for this county's people. Right now, our economy is working against our country. China and India and other emerging countries are controlling healthcare costs, investing in education and infrastructure to make them even healthier and stronger for the future. We are doing the opposite.

[Edited on 6-17-2011 by MitchMan]

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2011 at 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
China and India and other emerging countries are controlling healthcare costs, investing in education and infrastructure to make them even healthier and stronger for the future.


have you been to china and india? tell me about that great health care!!!

they "control" health care costs by not providing adequate health care to the majority of the population!!!!

[Edited on 6-17-2011 by mtgoat666]

Skeet/Loreto - 6-17-2011 at 12:21 PM

Mitchman :You are right except there is something that needs to occur First.

We as a Nation of Free People have to Rebuild our Character, Our Morals, our Respectblity.
We have to teach our Children that they are not to Blame others for their own Shortcomings;

This was the way My Generation lived and had been Taught. That is why we grew into the Greatest Nation in the World.

Now our Society has changed to the "BAD" with DOPE, Lack of Respect. People who prefer to Cheat, Lie, and Steal
People who have to have a GPS to get to the Cornerstore!!

We must as a People Go Foward to being Better People, Controlling our Desires and Keeping our Passions within Due Bounds.

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2011 at 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
being Better People, Controlling our Desires and Keeping our Passions within Due Bounds.


skeet:
what are proper limits for desire? what are due bounds for passion?

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2011 at 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
People who prefer to Cheat, Lie, and Steal


skeet:
biggest recent example of that came from texas: ENRON

oxxo - 6-17-2011 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
Economically speaking, a look at the big picture is truly warranted here.


Mitch, congratulations on a nice piece of writing. You certainly highlighted one of the major problems in our society without getting into the conservative/liberal argument.

Well done, amigo.

MitchMan - 6-17-2011 at 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
We as a Nation of Free People have to Rebuild our Character, Our Morals, our Respectblity.

I would add to those virtues not to exploit other people just because you can. Exploitation usually involves lying and cheating, and is certainly a form of theft, these last three are not virtues, but sins.

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We have to teach our Children that they are not to Blame others for their own Shortcomings

I would add, "make sure that blame and remedy are to be bestowed accurately, transparently, rigorously and squarely on those that exploit".

oxxo - 6-17-2011 at 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
We paid dearly for these things throughout our work life and it's unreasonable for us not to get what we paid for.


Well, yes and no. Medicare/Social Security is based on an average male payout til age, about, 76. After that point you have collected everything you have paid in, plus intrest, and you would then be living on someone's contributions who is younger than you. I know you aren't 76 yet (you just look that way from a life of hard living:lol:) so, yes, you are currently only collecting what you paid in. But someday, ojala, you will reach 76 and then you will be on Medicare/Social Security public welfare so to speak.

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Had the brain-dead governments not bought bombs and supported illegals with our fund, there wouldn't be a problem today.


When Clinton left office we had a balanced budget and the economy was in great shape. So I guess you know where to lay the blame for "brain-dead governments not bought bombs and supported illegals with our fund." By the way, the OMB says that services to illegals is revenue neutral. So who are you going to believe, Glenn Beck?

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SS wasn't supposed to be a retirement program anyway, but when it's all you have, it's all you have.


Well, once again yes and no. It was supposed to be a SUPPLEMENTAL retirement program. Unfortunately too many people are using it today as their sole means of retirement.

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Thank Gawd I have more.


Me too, but pay close attention to what the politicians who are running for office in this next election cycle say about Medicare and Social Security. The future may hold the distinct prospect that you and I will have to live on the "more" part of what we have and less on the Social Security/Medicare part. :wow:

Cypress - 6-17-2011 at 01:14 PM

No problemo, come 2012, Obama and his whole corrupt crew will be kicked to the curb. Good riddance to him and all his inept henchmen.;D

Skeet/Loreto - 6-17-2011 at 04:16 PM

It will not make much difference unless we do something about Jobs! Lookat Ohio---16% unemployment.


It is time to get a president with Character and Common Sense.

oxxo - 6-17-2011 at 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
No problemo, come 2012, Obama and his whole corrupt crew will be kicked to the curb. Good riddance to him and all his inept henchmen.;D


And which of the current crop of Teapublican buffoons is going to do that? And speakinng of corruption, what happened to the billions that went to Iraq and were unaccounted for during W's regime?

Wanna place a little side bet as to who will reside in the White House come 2012?

DENNIS - 6-17-2011 at 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo
what happened to the billions that went to Iraq and were unaccounted for during W's regime?





And....what became of those permanent military bases [seven?] that we were building? When that was happening, you could see the price of lumber rise in the states. A lot of it was going over there.

And....when is someone going to help us out for a change?

Bajatripper - 6-17-2011 at 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by David K
yet after a brief pause after the attack, America rebounded and continued to grow and produce more jobs.


Oh David, there you go again. That wasn't growth you saw during the Bush administrations, it was riding the bubble for all that it was worth before the whole thing came crashing down--which explains the huge borrowing under the Obama administration.

Anyone can simulate a healthy bank account, provided the credit cards aren't maxed out. The same goes for governments. And no country has ever had a higher credit limit than has the US government for the simple reason that the rest of the world's developed nations know that if the US tanks, we bring everyone down with us--to paraphrase the excuse given to bail out the crooks in the banking industry, as a nation, we're simply too big to be allowed to fail (at the moment, but hang around a couple of more decades and watch the Chinese try).

Less you should think I'm joining this fray on the Democratic side, in my opinion neither party represents what is in the best interests of our once-great nation. Both have been bought and paid for, it's just a shame that more people don't catch on to that detail and vote the lot of them out of office to be replaced by candidates that know what's best for the country instead of Wallstreet and power-brokers.

Bajatripper - 6-17-2011 at 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

It is time to get a president with Character and Common Sense.


Something neither party seems able to provide anymore.

MitchMan - 6-17-2011 at 04:58 PM

The way to get jobs is to bring manufacturing back to the USA from overseas, do something about our economy to more equitably compensate the working middle class and substantially reduce the over compensation to those clever few at the top so that the working class will have more of the wealth and funds that they created with their own hands and minds, then they will have the ability to buy what they need and create demand for more production and provide the market for new businesses. This country needs to invest more in infrastructure to lay the way for long term production efficiency at lower costs and invest in education so that we don't have to go to other countries and import their educated people who take the higher level jobs away from us Americans (actually, we are suffering from deteriorating education of our yound people in general which is not good for filling jobs of the future).

Also, if something could done to lowering the cost of health care so that more people could get better medical attention. A healthy citizenry makes for long term economic health.

These are the big picture things that contribute to a healthy economy and continued job growth. These things have to be prioritized in real terms at the ground level, not simply eluded to in cheap political rhetoric by both sides of the aisle.

I fear our country and we the people have become too polarized and too political to work together for the common good, both in the short term and in the long term. Both political parties have become just that, political, and virtually all that they do is for political advantange and not for the good of the country. Actually, the things that are good for the country are kind of obvious.

Our political discord, in my opinion, is what is really deteriorating our country and keeping us from going forward as a nation.

I think that Bajatripper hit the nail on the head. Right now, Wall Street and the financial structure is what sucked the wind out of our economy in this most recent debaucle. Government didn't do its oversight job, runaway bad incentives in Wall Street executives and companies leading to risky unchecked behavior based on the structure of compensation, shadow banking system, complicated financial products and the lack of controls and transparency bought and paid for by political contributions, and investors asleep at the wheel. Plenty of blame to go around and nobody smart enough or courageous enough or statesman-like enough to talk about real fixes without having a political agenda. Not good.

[Edited on 6-18-2011 by MitchMan]

maspacifico - 6-17-2011 at 05:26 PM

Political discord is exactly what the puppet masters want us dancing to. Distract the people from seeing how we are getting shafted. Look at the banking fiasco, really looking, and it all ties in. Republican/Democrat.......dream on.

Cypress - 6-17-2011 at 05:51 PM

If you're happy with the way things are just continue to vote for the dems. They'll make you happier!;D:biggrin:

Cisco - 6-17-2011 at 07:29 PM

I will have to paraphrase as I don't have the quote, maybe someone knows.

"If you wish to destroy a nation, give the people everything they want." Steinbeck, post WW II

BajaGringo - 6-17-2011 at 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by maspacifico
Political discord is exactly what the puppet masters want us dancing to. Distract the people from seeing how we are getting shafted. Look at the banking fiasco, really looking, and it all ties in. Republican/Democrat.......dream on.


Right on - both sides of the political aisle are screwing us...

MitchMan - 6-17-2011 at 07:34 PM

Cypress, I am not happy with the way things are now, and I am not happy about the bubble and crash that occurred at the end of 8 years during the previous administration. Economic crashes don't happen all on their own in one day. It takes time for the conditions to fester, come to a head, and then it breaks wide open, just like in 2007/8. Also, crashes that substantial and far reaching don't get fixed completely in just a couple of years. So, I don't see the logic or wisdom of condemning democrats only. I don't think it is that simple.

Cypress - 6-17-2011 at 08:54 PM

MitchMan, You're right, there are a number of repubs that need to be replaced with true conservatives also. :D

Iflyfish - 6-17-2011 at 09:51 PM

Here in Oregon we have huge wind farms in addition to Bonnyville Dam. We have had a late spring and lots of run off. The turbines are turning at their capacity and there is not enough capacity in the grid to handle the wind farm generated power. This of course means that the entire grid needs to be rebuilt to handle the additional power. Isn't this what we need to be doing? Building infrastructure? Isn't this sort of public works the sort of investment that will build our future. Have you looked at our roads, bridges etc? They are a mess. Northern Europe is eating our lunch in alternative energy production and technology. Don't we need a public works program to address these issues? Isn't this what the stimulus should have been about.

In my view we should have nationalized the banks and invested in job producing infrastructure projects and built our way out of this situation that was not caused by Social Security or Medicare. It was caused by deregulated banking and stock market transactions that manipulated the housing market. We aught to build our way out of this.

Roll back the Bush tax cuts, commence a Federal Infrastructure Jobs program, stop our wars, stop the "war on drugs" stop Corporate Welfare and put America back to work on its ancient infrastructure.

The current Republican approach, caused in part by a Senate that now requires 60 votes to pass any legislation, is to design solutions that fail i.e. the Republicare that is called by the right Obamacare. Didn't you see how that monstrosity was generated by Republicans opposed to a Single Payer National Health Plan that would have taken the PROFIT out of health care?! Blame Obama, right!!

It requires Congress to pass any budget bills and the Republicans now have a strangle hold on any legislation and they are controlled by the most right wing reactionary corporate controlled forces ever elected to office.

There, I said it. Enough for me. I am going to drink.

Iflyfish

Cypress - 6-18-2011 at 08:46 AM

McCain would have been just as inept as Obama, maybe more so.:no:

mtgoat666 - 6-18-2011 at 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
McCain would have been just as inept as Obama, maybe more so.:no:


both parties would have done same thing. y'all are impatient. economic cycles take time. in mean time, don't forget bush caused it!

Cypress - 6-18-2011 at 11:41 AM

The Bush blame game is too simplistic, was a good ploy way back when. Your man, Obama, was gonna fix everything. He hasn't. He's a one term embarrassment. Fool me once shame on you, twice.......

Skeet/Loreto - 6-18-2011 at 11:43 AM

No! We the People caused it!
We failed to stop the use of Drugs!

We failed to teach our Children to Accept Responsibility!

We stopped using the paddle.

We did not develop Discipline in our Children.

Then we allowed a No Character president to tell everyone they could to buy a $400,000 Home even if they did not have the Money!!!

We have allowed the Communists Nuts get involved in the Govt. Too Much Govt!!!!!

Skeet/Loreto - 6-18-2011 at 12:32 PM

Here in Texas we are doing all we can to reduce Fossil Fuesl..

In Seetwater Texas is the Largest Wind Generating System It is building everyday in all areas. It will help in the future

The most important thing in the near future is the Water.

In my way of thinking I would like to see some movement of People from the Cities back to some of the small Towns that were left behind and vacated. Problem has been Healthcare!
Gov. Perry here in Texas has helped with 160 million to get some of the Doctors back into the small towns.
There is lots of Space and if City Folks come into the area it is not long before they realize the Benefits.

We must as a Nation Start being Concerned with our Citizens, keep some of the Overseas Money here, Stop throwing it away on useless Projects and People...

mtgoat666 - 6-18-2011 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
In my way of thinking I would like to see some movement of People from the Cities back to some of the small Towns that were left behind and vacated.

There is lots of Space and if City Folks come into the area it is not long before they realize the Benefits.


Chairman Mao:
That's a great idea! Who will be your gang of four for your cultural revolution and return to agrarianism? Sarah Palin would make a great teacher for your reeducation camps!

Cypress - 6-18-2011 at 12:57 PM

Dan Rather took a shot at Bush with his fabricated/phoney charges. He could probably produce something about Palin? How 'bout it Dan? Dan? :biggrin:

Skeet/Loreto - 6-18-2011 at 02:43 PM

Cultural Revolution!!!!!

That is It! We need to dfo the following.

Identify all the Communists and Socialist and kick them out of the USA.

Make the Car Makers cut the prices of cars in Half ans well as the Union Wages.


Set up Healtcare in all the small towns that have been vacated. Many People can work or run a Business with their Computers and will not have to drive 2 Hours commuting!

Fire all School Consulars but One. Make sure he.she is a tought Consular who believes in Siscipline.

Do away with the NEA>


Stop all Monies going to other Countries.

Let us take care of the USA First!!!

DENNIS - 6-18-2011 at 02:58 PM

Skeet....you continually amaze me. Sooo logical and......uhh....progressive. Yeah.....progressive.

DENNIS - 6-18-2011 at 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by Don Jorge
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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Consular who believes in Siscipline.
Is Skeeter really Yogi Oso?


Hard to tell, but for sure he wants Consular representation for Sissys. I was surprised at that. Is it a Texas thing?

MitchMan - 6-18-2011 at 05:03 PM

There are some really smart people in this forum, but all we human beings seem to be expert in one area and utter fools and marooons in other areas. The one thing I find fortifying is that most of us Nomads have our hearts in the right place. To me, if a person’s heart is in the right place, well, that is all that matters to me in the final analysis.

The discord comes from seeing things differently. Skeet is really for the betterment of our human character (a virtue in itself) and is rightfully upset and impatient with what he sees through his eyes. Goat sees through the BS and major errors of the opposition and rebuts valiantly, consistently, whole heartedly, and relentlessly as a good warrior would. Cypress wants things to be better than they are, and is rightfully upset that we are not, as a country, getting there. Bajagringo observes the discourse and chimes in with his two cents, careful not to offend anyone, which reflects a calm, mature wisdom that I think we all suspect he has. Bajatripper studies and has supported his contentions revealing to me that he has done his homework and research so as not to posit trash but to support his contentions which to me reflects his intellectual integrity; a form of civil responsibility to you and me.

Where things go hay wire is that we all have become so adversarial that the dialogue deteriorates to ultimately taking sides and taking pot shots at each other instead of objectively analyzing the situation and discussing solutions. Such adversarial positioning prevents objective scrutiny of one’s own side, leads to blindness of one’s own guilty contributions to the problem. We, as a country, cannot come to a consensus. That is exactly what has stalled this country. That is exactly what has happened in congress. That is exactly what will bleed this country of its ability to succeed.

What is materially needed are objectivity, citation of facts and circumstances supporting sound logical, reasonable, realistic contentions and solutions. Pot shots at the opposition will get us nowhere and will just widen the divide which is on its way to conquering us all.

[Edited on 6-19-2011 by MitchMan]

DENNIS - 6-18-2011 at 05:15 PM

Well....I pretty much agree with all you say, Mitch. The irony may be that Skeet won't. he won't be supplying references with his comments and he thrives on the contentious nature of the site and the turmoil his statements can sometimes elicit.

Again...I agree with you, but I hope it doesn't turn too sterile around here.

Bajahowodd - 6-18-2011 at 05:25 PM

24/7 cable tv news. A major reason for the ugly turn in public discourse. Especially given that those outlets are "for Profit". The more viewers, the more than can charge advertisers. So, the more sensational, the higher the profit.

But, I didn't want to leave Rush out of this. Anyone know what this turd's annual income is? And for what? Disrupting polite public discourse?

toneart - 6-18-2011 at 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
In my way of thinking I would like to see some movement of People from the Cities back to some of the small Towns that were left behind and vacated.

There is lots of Space and if City Folks come into the area it is not long before they realize the Benefits.


Chairman Mao:
That's a great idea! Who will be your gang of four for your cultural revolution and return to agrarianism? Sarah Palin would make a great teacher for your reeducation camps!


I would like to see Skeet appointed as a block warden in his gulag. :o

oxxo - 6-18-2011 at 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No! We the People caused it!


FINALLY, the ol' skeeterbug and I have something to agree about! Maybe he's not such a bad guy afterall. :yes:

oxxo - 6-18-2011 at 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by Don Jorge
Goes to show you. I would have guessed Skeeter to open a can of whoop arse on Sissys, yet instead he chooses Consular redemption. The Lord works in mysterious hueys.:lol:


:lol::lol:I appreciate your subtle humor!:lol::lol:

oxxo - 6-18-2011 at 08:31 PM

I would like to thank Doug and the moderators for letting this go into way "off topic." But it is better to have it happen here than in that cesspool known as "off topic." I think the discourse here has been for the most part civil and relevant to those of us who love Baja California.

Skeet/Loreto - 6-19-2011 at 07:04 AM

A Confession from Me!

I do not watch any of the Major News Networks:
I do not Listen to any of the socalled Pundits.
I do check out several different NewsPapers both Liberal and Conservative about once a Week.

I donot check out utubes nor Internet Pundits and Blogs.

The things I post come from my Experiences in Life in what I have seen and Done.

I do not attend Church on Sunday, watch Joel Osteen on TV.

I only watch one program on TV. It is called :Dancin with the Stars"

My next adventure is getting some Baby Texas Rattlesnakes onto Santa Catalana Isla for future Study.

oxxo - 6-19-2011 at 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by ridgeThey've amply demonstrated over and over they will not; why should I?


Because you want to be better than the lowest common denominator?

Ken Bondy - 6-19-2011 at 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No! We the People caused it!
We failed to stop the use of Drugs!

Skeet I think history proves that we will never stop the use of drugs. Every society in the history of human civilization has had its intoxicants, the natural human desire to get high will not change. The drug problem will never be solved until we stop pretending it is a war and start managing it with intelligence: legalize drugs to eliminate the profit motive, focus on education and treatment, and stop treating drug users as criminals.

Skeet/Loreto - 6-19-2011 at 09:18 AM

Ken :
I will agree with you 100%,

The problem I have with it is that There is no effort to prevent the use of Drugs! There is no effort to prevent or stop People who are on Drugs from Killing other Peoples Children!!!

If a Person kills another person while on Drugs, should they be execueted to prevent them from killing another Person???????

I have a Two=Eyed Tequilla about once a week and usually have a Glass or two of Wine at Night.
I do not get in a car and drive when I have had a Drink;;
Why am I able to do this??
It is becuase I have been taught and have learned that I have to accept the results of my Acts!!

Why is it that we cannot teach the Younger Generations to change from Drugs to other Productive Acts otherwise they must be Locked up to prevent their Killing other People??

DENNIS - 6-19-2011 at 09:28 AM

Here ya go, Ken.....talk to this:

http://userpages.umbc.edu/~bailey/Courses/Tutorials/BitmapTe...

Cypress - 6-19-2011 at 09:29 AM

What the heck! Everybody ought to relocate every 10 yrs. or so. Keeps life interesting and it's a sure cure for boredom.:tumble:

Ken Bondy - 6-19-2011 at 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Here ya go, Ken.....talk to this:

http://userpages.umbc.edu/~bailey/Courses/Tutorials/BitmapTe...


Thanks DENNIS. Yes I've talked to that one quite a bit. Like an old friend, always listens, never does anything.

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