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cactus with a leaf ?? and surprise flower

BajaBlanca - 6-15-2011 at 02:51 PM

ok...so thismorning I am checking up on plants and I found this surprise LEAF on a cactus ... can anyone tell me what this is ????







and I also found this amazingly beautiful albeit non-fragrant flower this afternoon open about an hour after I watered the cactus ... and I also need an identification, if anyone knows what it is:




[Edited on 6-15-2011 by BajaBlanca]

Eli - 6-15-2011 at 03:20 PM

Always enjoy the pictures, thank you.

Mexitron - 6-16-2011 at 11:03 AM

Leaf's a fake.......

wessongroup - 6-16-2011 at 12:21 PM

A really nice shot of the flower ... very, very pretty... thanks much...

BajaBlanca - 6-16-2011 at 03:09 PM

mexitron, it really isn't a fake and I am at a loss as to how to explain it ... there are 2 leaves - one on left and one on right (smaller).

it is beyond odd and I spent quite a bit of time on the internet yesterday trying to see if I could identify it ...... to absolutely no avail.

CP - 6-16-2011 at 06:46 PM

I have four little colonies of the leafy succulent. The original nubbin was a gift from a vivero in Cd. C. five years go. I do not know the plant name but can post a picture of mine with more leaves and maybe someone will recognize it. I will photo maņana.

BajaBlanca - 6-16-2011 at 07:08 PM

mine came from some folks who bring plants from Vizcaino, but she can never tell me the names .... great that someone else has one !

Candelabra Cactus

mcfez - 6-16-2011 at 08:53 PM

Not too unusual. There are cactus such as the Candelabra Cactus....that produce leafs. .....I do not know the name of yours in the picture.

[Edited on 6-17-2011 by mcfez]

CP - 6-17-2011 at 01:02 PM

BajaBlanca,
Here is a photo of my leafy lobey guy. I have been looking for an ID but all the succulent ID sites are cumbersome without knowing more about what it might be called.....

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CP - 6-17-2011 at 01:05 PM

Leaf close-up.

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Mexitron - 6-18-2011 at 06:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBlanca
mexitron, it really isn't a fake and I am at a loss as to how to explain it ... there are 2 leaves - one on left and one on right (smaller).

it is beyond odd and I spent quite a bit of time on the internet yesterday trying to see if I could identify it ...... to absolutely no avail.


It was a longshot! Cool--- a new plant for me.

mcfez - 6-18-2011 at 06:40 AM

I'm heading for my wholesale nursery in a week...I will take these photos and ask for the name.

Mexitron - 6-18-2011 at 06:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
Not too unusual. There are cactus such as the Candelabra Cactus....that produce leafs. .....I do not know the name of yours in the picture.

[Edited on 6-17-2011 by mcfez]


Give this man a cigar---you found the right family with the Candelabra---Euphorbiaceae. I'm fairly sure the Genus is Monadenium and probably the species is M. ritchei:

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/65135/

CP - 6-18-2011 at 07:31 AM

That is it!
Mexitron, thanks for the ID.
Got another semi-succulent plant I am curious about...will post a pic today. Perhaps you can id this one, too... or tell me the family and I will work on Genus and Species myself. I should have gone those steps with the Candelabra hint from McFez.

mcfez - 6-20-2011 at 07:06 AM

http://www.ortegacactus.es/galleries/Other.Succulents/slides...

BajaBlanca - 6-20-2011 at 09:09 AM

YAHOOOO that was amazing ! thanks for the pic and the searches and the FIND....... gosh I love this site ...

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

CP - 6-20-2011 at 09:17 AM

Any idea what this is called? It is very fast growing. Has a lovely fragrance when crushed. I want to taste it but will wait until I know what it is...

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CP - 6-20-2011 at 09:19 AM

Fuzz covered semi-succulent leaves.

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Mexitron - 6-20-2011 at 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by CP
Fuzz covered semi-succulent leaves.


Offhand looks like a Kalanchoe but sometimes the Crassula family throws curveballs....I'll see what I can find.

wessongroup - 6-20-2011 at 10:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBlanca
YAHOOOO that was amazing ! thanks for the pic and the searches and the FIND....... gosh I love this site ...

:bounce::bounce::bounce:


Never ceases to amaze me... how much knowledge is here...

and a real love for just about all... :):)

BajaBlanca - 6-20-2011 at 10:34 AM

I looked under crassula for quite a while and could not find it ...but I would LOVE to do plant cutting trades, if anyone is interested ???????

Here is the first plant for cuttings I offer to whomever is interesed ... it is gorgeous and taked direct sun.


CP - 6-20-2011 at 10:51 AM

Wow that is a great one. I would love to trade cuttings! If anyone passes through your place on the way to San Juanico, please send some along. And I will forward some of my most interesting ones if I meet anyone heading up your way.

Mexitron - 6-20-2011 at 11:02 AM

Kind of looks like Kalanchoe millotii:
http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Crassulaceae/Kalancho...

But I'm thinking its a Plectranthus (ambicoinus?) although not all images of it have such succulent and fuzzy leaves as your pic CP:

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1356/

What do the flowers look like?

CP - 6-20-2011 at 11:25 AM

Plectranthus Amboincus it is!
Spanish Thyme, Cuban Oregano, Indian Borage.
YEAY I GET TO EAT IT.

Thanks mucho Mexitron. I have been wondering about this for a year.

BajaBlanca - 6-20-2011 at 01:33 PM

CP that is a deal and a half. San Juanico it is for the cuttings ... maybe i can convince Les to take a day trip since you are not too far ... where is your house located? and of course, you can always visit us too !!!

Natalie Ann - 6-20-2011 at 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by CP
Fuzz covered semi-succulent leaves.


I have this plant in my herb garden. The little plant stick said it was Indian Oregano.... and my Mexican yard dude said they use it a lot in Mexico??? Whatever others might call it, sure is a nice herb to add to the cooking mix.

[Edit: cannot get the pix to show... I mean the little green plant with the sorta fuzzy leaves)

nena

[Edited on 6-20-2011 by Natalie Ann]

mcfez - 6-20-2011 at 08:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBlanca
CP that is a deal and a half. San Juanico it is for the cuttings ... maybe i can convince Les to take a day trip since you are not too far ... where is your house located? and of course, you can always visit us too !!!


Cuttings from a cactus is best as this: cut the piece wanted, let the fresh cut dry out first (few days). Plant.

Sometimes you get rot planting a fresh cut in the ground.

ecomujeres - 6-20-2011 at 09:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
Not too unusual. There are cactus such as the Candelabra Cactus....that produce leafs. .....I do not know the name of yours in the picture.


Quote:
Originally posted by mexitron
Give this man a cigar---you found the right family with the Candelabra---Euphorbiaceae. I'm fairly sure the Genus is Monadenium and probably the species is M. ritchei


Unfortunately people confuse euphorbias and cacti so easily because horticulturalists give euphorbias names like Candelabra cactus! Oy!

FYI:

In Baja, Candelabra cactus, (Myrtillocactus cochal) is a true cactus and lacks leaves. There are a some species of cacti that do actually have leaves, one of which is found in Baja in the Cape area (Pereskiopsis porteri).

A good rule of thumb: if you see a garden plant that looks like a cactus but has no true spines (spines are thin, bristle-like and sharp; they may also occur as tiny glochid hairs in tight clusters on the stem which easily detach in your skin) and/or it sprouts leaves, then you are looking at a Euphorbia. Some species of the Euphorbiaceae (Spurge family) evolved in the deserts of Africa in habitats similar to the deserts of the Americas where the Cactus family (Cactaceae) evolved separately.

Also, all cacti are succulents, but not all succulents are cacti.

BajaBlanca, sorry but I don't know what species of cactus you have with the yellow flower. Not enough info to even start. But it definitely is a cactus. The spines and the flower design with many overlapping "petals" are the key clues.

BajaBlanca - 6-21-2011 at 11:22 AM

thanks ecomujeres, at least I know it is a cactus and can start hunting cacti sites !

and I love knowing that if there is a leaf it MUST be euphorbia. geez, whoddathunk I would still be learning more good stuff every day ?

story: I once walked backed into a barrel cactus as I was getting out of the truck here at home and the pain was horrible for days on end. The locals told me it produces a toxin at the very end of the thorn ... but I read somewhere that the end of the thorn actually can stay lodged in the skin - all I know is OUCHHHHHHHHHHHH

BajaBlanca - 6-21-2011 at 11:26 AM

mcfez - you are right about cuttings being able to handle time out of the dirt or sand - I get cuttings all the time and sometimes take days to get around to planting them. I usually try to plant right away and rarely have plants die on me. they get told off when they start acting up and I think they do not like Blanca Ire.

:biggrin:

Mexitron - 6-21-2011 at 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by ecomujeres
Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
Not too unusual. There are cactus such as the Candelabra Cactus....that produce leafs. .....I do not know the name of yours in the picture.


Quote:
Originally posted by mexitron
Give this man a cigar---you found the right family with the Candelabra---Euphorbiaceae. I'm fairly sure the Genus is Monadenium and probably the species is M. ritchei
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Unfortunately people confuse euphorbias and cacti so easily because horticulturalists give euphorbias names like Candelabra cactus! Oy!

FYI:

In Baja, Candelabra cactus, (Myrtillocactus cochal) is a true cactus and lacks leaves. There are a some species of cacti that do actually have leaves, one of which is found in Baja in the Cape area (Pereskiopsis porteri).

A good rule of thumb: if you see a garden plant that looks like a cactus but has no true spines (spines are thin, bristle-like and sharp; they may also occur as tiny glochid hairs in tight clusters on the stem which easily detach in your skin) and/or it sprouts leaves, then you are looking at a Euphorbia. Some species of the Euphorbiaceae (Spurge family) evolved in the deserts of Africa in habitats similar to the deserts of the Americas where the Cactus family (Cactaceae) evolved separately.

Also, all cacti are succulents, but not all succulents are cacti.

BajaBlanca, sorry but I don't know what species of cactus you have with the yellow flower. Not enough info to even start. But it definitely is a cactus. The spines and the flower design with many overlapping "petals" are the key clues.


The Pereskiopsis genus is interesting in that it shows, by having a more sprawling habit, an intermediate form from when tropical vines adapted to drier climates and became cactii---at least in the Americas...not sure where the xeric Euphorbias evolved from in Africa.

BajaBlanca - 10-12-2012 at 12:22 PM

just an update on the "cactus with a leaf": it now has lots of leaves and it also has tiny flowers for the first time.



BajaBlanca - 10-12-2012 at 12:34 PM

CP The Spanish thyme cutting yo u gave me has grown and grown and lots of people have gotten cuttings from it. I don't have a photo but I will take one. Thanks again, it is one of the most fun plants to cultivate since it grows so quickly.