BajaNomad - Hike Gonzaga to Pacific Coast

Hike Gonzaga to Pacific Coast

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El Comadante Loco - 6-19-2011 at 07:20 AM

After many years of travel up, down and across Baja on dirt bikes, quads and 4x4s several of us are now thinking about walking from Gonzaga to the PC sometime in Jan or Feb next year.
Several years ago a group of us hiked up to Santa Maria from the trail head near Gonzaga.. What a spectacular hike and vistas. The return was much more difficult since we took the wash back down. It is hard to imagine how the padres did it when resupplying from Gonzaga.. We are planning to repeat the hike up to the mission but will have a couple of support vehicles meet us there with all the bedding and goodies. We will spend a couple of nights at the mission and hike to Santa Inez. We know the route and terrain to the mission and to Santa Inez.. Here is the question: Does any one have any ideas or suggestions for the route we should hike from Santa Inez to the coast? I think it take us 2 or 3 days to get to the coast again we will have support vehicles since we are a bunch of Old Farts.
Any suggestions are welcome..

ELC..

woody with a view - 6-19-2011 at 07:39 AM

well, there are only so many roads. i'm guessing you want to walk on a road, not through the cactus, right? sounds like an adventure for sure.

David K - 6-19-2011 at 09:05 AM

Sounds like fun Rudy! The El Camino Real to Santa Maria (from the Gonzaga side of the canyon) was really a fun hike I did with my son in 2003... only we ran out of trail and daylight before reaching the mission valley! Always wanted to try it again, but get an earlier start.

Shortest auto road from Santa Ynez to Pacific

David K - 6-19-2011 at 09:53 AM

Shown on the AAA map as being to Puerto Canoas. However, if you use Google Earth you may find a more direct road from Cataviña to there instead of hiking north on Mex. 1 to the Canoas/ Faro San Jose turnoff.

[Edited on 6-19-2011 by David K]

I think it take us 2 or 3 days to get to the coast again

mcfez - 6-19-2011 at 11:50 AM

Sorry......how many miles is it and what age are you? Geeze......I dont think your 2-3 day is correct. Seems more like 4-6 days .

What you think DavidK?

BTW...good for you guys doing this! Good luck with your adventure.

David K - 6-19-2011 at 12:20 PM

Well, if they use the roads shown on the AAA map, it is almost 50 miles from Cataviña to Canoas... and if they can walk 20-25 miles a day (with breaks) I would think that is good. A lot can alter that guess...
Gonzaga to Santa Maria is one day. Santa Maria to Santa Ynez/ Cataviña is one day more... Coast to coast, no problems: 5 days. But, I am no expert at Baja on foot, long trips... just a guess.

El Comadante Loco - 6-19-2011 at 03:36 PM

David good info thanks. I would say that we could do the coast in no more than 3 days from Catavina especially since we will only be carrying water which is heavy enough down to the coast.. Which of the two, has the best fishing Canoas or El Faro?
Mcfez, our group ranges from youngsters in the 50's to our senior member in his 70"s of course some of the guys will be in support trucks which we need for both safety and comfort..
BWT this trek is open to all Nomads the more the better we are just in the thinking phase.. Join us either as hiker or support crew...

ELC

Really?

mcfez - 6-19-2011 at 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
David good info thanks. I would say that we could do the coast in no more than 3 days from Catavina especially since we will only be carrying water which is heavy enough down to the coast.. Which of the two, has the best fishing Canoas or El Faro?
Mcfez, our group ranges from youngsters in the 50's to our senior member in his 70"s of course some of the guys will be in support trucks which we need for both safety and comfort..
BWT this trek is open to all Nomads the more the better we are just in the thinking phase.. Join us either as hiker or support crew...

ELC

I may be in this. For support.....is a four where drive required for this route? I have a Ram double cab NOT 4wd. The month you picked is the months I go to our place in San Felipe.

Your group is more that welcomed to use my place in San Felipe as "base camp". That includes to our house. Plenty of parking too. LMK.

50 to 70 year olds. My hat is off to you!

[Edited on 6-20-2011 by mcfez]

805gregg - 6-19-2011 at 06:51 PM

Get or rent a satellite phone and buy medevac insurance, it may just save a friends life. Sounds like a good way to see where you've been.

BajaGringo - 6-19-2011 at 07:00 PM

Also the temps in that region can dip down below freezing at night as you get farther away from the water. Long Johns and down sleeping bags...

MikeYounghusband - 6-19-2011 at 09:07 PM

Look into a SPOT device for your safety. It got me out of a jam.

TMW - 6-20-2011 at 07:55 AM

See what you've started Mike. The old geezers can't hike all the way down Baja so they're hiking across it.

wilderone - 6-20-2011 at 08:03 AM

"Santa Maria to Santa Ynez/ Cataviña is one day more"
It's 15 miles. These are old farts (his term, not mine!). Double your time estimates. And please at least take the 10 essentials along with your water. And days are short in winter - e.g. you may find yourself 4 miles from Santa Inez, pooped, dark, cold. Be prepared. Are you meeting your support vehicles each evening? Sounds like fun.

El Comadante Loco - 6-20-2011 at 08:09 AM

Easy TW you are in the same company of OLD FARTS. At our age it is wise to respect and know what our limitations are.
For sure we will pick up a sat phone and I have a spot and medavac insurance...
The more Nomads on this hike the better

shari - 6-20-2011 at 08:46 AM

hay...why dont you borrow a burro to carry your stuff!!! you will have a wonderful adventure hombres!

El Comadante Loco - 6-20-2011 at 09:48 AM

Shari

Several members of our group are burros :lol:

.. We have plans to meet our support vehicles every night at dusk and if we do not show the suport trucks will back track from our rendezvou point to look for us with the exception of the hike up to the mission.

ELC

Bajamatic - 6-20-2011 at 10:17 AM

Some people may have missed the part about there being support vehicles..... Sounds like a safe and soon-to-be well planned event to me.

I'm usually headed through that zone toward the end of Jan - put me on your contact list for potential support vehicles. sounds like a blast.

Bajatripper - 6-20-2011 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
"Santa Maria to Santa Ynez/ Cataviña is one day more"

I made that hike without any problem a few years back, and that was with a full backpack, so this portion of the trip seems within the timeframe planned, even for a bunch of old geezers.

The rest of the hike sounds very interesting, too. I particularly like the part about walking along with nothing but water for carrying weight. Although it's too early for me to commit, I'll definitely pay attention to this thread as it develops.

And, Mcfez, as usual, your generosity impresses.

wilderone - 6-21-2011 at 08:44 AM

"I made that hike without any problem a few years back, and that was with a full backpack"

Me too, and I fell short about 3 miles on the return trip as night fell, the only food I had left was about 1 cup of trail mix (the first night of the trip I discovered that one of my meals was spoiled) , 1/2 quart of water (because I couldn't find the water hole in the arroyo where I had planned to replenish), sore knee (due to ill fitting boots), and spent about 1/2 hr. waiting out and circumventing a bull which was staring me down and refused to move out of the middle of the trail. So I stayed an extra night I didn't plan on. Hence, my advice.

David K - 6-21-2011 at 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
"I made that hike without any problem a few years back, and that was with a full backpack"

Me too, and I fell short about 3 miles on the return trip as night fell, the only food I had left was about 1 cup of trail mix (the first night of the trip I discovered that one of my meals was spoiled) , 1/2 quart of water (because I couldn't find the water hole in the arroyo where I had planned to replenish), sore knee (due to ill fitting boots), and spent about 1/2 hr. waiting out and circumventing a bull which was staring me down and refused to move out of the middle of the trail. So I stayed an extra night I didn't plan on. Hence, my advice.

Wowsers!!! Glad I have a Toyota!

Bajatripper - 6-21-2011 at 11:02 AM

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Wowsers!!! Glad I have a Toyota!

So we can count on you to drive as the support vehicle, then? :lol:

David K - 6-21-2011 at 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

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Wowsers!!! Glad I have a Toyota!

So we can count on you to drive as the support vehicle, then? :lol:

You can count on me to DRIVE BAJA!

I do enjoy walking on EL CAMINO REAL however... :cool:

El Comadante Loco - 6-21-2011 at 09:31 PM

Glad you are in David....

TMW - 6-22-2011 at 07:11 AM

This is Bajacat's chance to go to Mission Santa Maria with DK as a guide.

David K - 6-22-2011 at 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
Glad you are in David....

Hi Rudy,

It will depend on economics and vacation schedules... as you don't have a date yet... but if I can go, I will. I was responding to Tripper about having a Toyota for driving in Baja vs. walking the way Wilderone described.

I don't think BajaCat should take his Dodge into Santa Maria unless we hear that the bog is dry or lower than it was last year.

I do want to check out La Bocana archeological site off the road to the coast from north of Cataviña. Neal Johns says it is worth a look.

[Edited on 6-23-2011 by David K]

Von - 6-23-2011 at 10:38 AM

Sounds like fun! Another awesome BAJA adventure~

David K - 6-30-2011 at 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Desert Rat
If I can get all my "ducks" lined up by the departure time for the hike, you can count me in. Sounds like a fun hike. Don Jorge had considered the same hike several years ago but it never got off the ground. Maybe this time he will give it another shot if his "robot knees" are up to it.

Hi D'Rat!

Good to see you online... !!

Here is a photo of Desert Rat with Papa Fernandez in 1994, when D'Rat completed his walk to Gonzaga Bay from San Felipe!

More photos of that walk: http://www.vivabaja.com/desert_rat/

luv2fish - 7-2-2011 at 05:18 AM

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Originally posted by TW
See what you've started Mike. The old geezers can't hike all the way down Baja so they're hiking across it.

One can't help but admire these " Old Geezers " good for them, remember plenty of Agua for your burro.

TMW - 8-6-2011 at 10:20 AM

Bump for DK

David K - 8-6-2011 at 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by TW
Bump for DK

Huh?

TMW - 8-6-2011 at 10:24 AM

Just reminding you there is another event in Jan or Feb.

El Comadante Loco - 8-7-2011 at 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by TW
Just reminding you there is another event in Jan or Feb.

Hey TW

What is the event next Jan or Feb,,,

ECL

David K - 8-7-2011 at 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by El Comadante Loco

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Originally posted by TW
Just reminding you there is another event in Jan or Feb.

Hey TW

What is the event next Jan or Feb,,,

ECL

Rudy, I think Tom was thinking that Ken's Pole Line Run was going to happen then... but Ken says it will be November of 2012.

bajalou - 8-7-2011 at 06:47 PM

The quest for Dias' grave----

I'm a bit lost

mcfez - 8-7-2011 at 07:13 PM

Is this still being considered (below) for January?

........"Does any one have any ideas or suggestions for the route we should hike from Santa Inez to the coast? I think it take us 2 or 3 days to get to the coast again we will have support vehicles since we are a bunch of Old Farts.
Any suggestions are welcome..

ELC..

TMW - 8-7-2011 at 07:43 PM

Yes it is being considered, Rudy is our leader and coordinator. DK is coordinator for the Diaz grave investigation. I'm just stirring the pot. Both are doable in Jan and Feb or earlier or later. Nov is Baja 1000 and Mar is SF250 race otherwise I don't care.

mcfez - 8-7-2011 at 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by TW
Yes it is being considered, Rudy is our leader and coordinator. DK is coordinator for the Diaz grave investigation. I'm just stirring the pot. Both are doable in Jan and Feb or earlier or later. Nov is Baja 1000 and Mar is SF250 race otherwise I don't care.

Thanks! Please keep me inform of the planning...would really like to do this.

El Comadante Loco - 8-7-2011 at 10:16 PM

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The cross Baja hike Gonzaga to the Pacific Coast is still on so plan to join us. For now looks like Feb may be the best month.. For all who are interested why don't we start throwing out possible dates and we will select the date that will allow for most participation.

ELC

mcfez - 8-7-2011 at 10:28 PM

Winter months is great with me. Feb sounds perfect...but I'll come in any time of the early year.

David K - 8-8-2011 at 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by El Comadante Loco

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The best chance for more to help/participate might be if done over President's Day weekend...? (at least for us younger/ working folks)

TMW - 8-8-2011 at 01:17 PM

Presidents weekend is good for me, but I'm flexable.

El Comadante Loco - 8-9-2011 at 03:21 PM

Thanks TW.. OK we have Pres day in Feb.. I am ok with this date.. How about the rest of you.. Keep dates comining...

David K - 8-11-2011 at 09:46 AM

Reviewing this thread, Gonzaga to Mision Santa Maria via El Camino Real (west of Punta Final, on the north rim of Santa Maria Canyon) and on to Santa Ynez or Gonzaga to Santa Ynez via Junipero Serra's Cargo Trail (passes to the north of the mission from near Papa Fernandez')?

The cargo trail was developed to support the new Franciscan mission of San Fernando Velicata, and does not go through Santa Maria... It is a more direct route from near Papa Fernandez' to Santa Ynez... It joins the Santa Maria road/ El Camino Real just east of the high point in the Santa Ynez-Santa Maria road, or about 11 miles from Santa Ynez.

Baja Bucko has traveled the Cargo Trail from end to end (even placed a 'geo-cache' along it, about 10 years ago).

It is probably best to allow at least 3 days to walk from Gonzaga to Santa Ynez using either route. Another 3 to the Pacific... and a day or two to return north...

This will be a week+, long event overall...

The GeoCache page: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=ca585...

One photo where Baja Bucko hid the cache in 2001:

[Edited on 8-11-2011 by David K]

TMW - 8-11-2011 at 02:14 PM

Rudy where did you want to start the walk from the water at Gonzaga Bay?

El Comadante Loco - 8-11-2011 at 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by TW
Rudy where did you want to start the walk from the water at Gonzaga Bay?

My thought is to start the hike from the trail head up to the mission.. I think it is about 5-7 miles from Gonzaga.. David K knows where it is.. Once we get dropped of the support vehicles can go around and meet us at the mission if they can get past the bog.. If not we can hike up the hill to meet the trucks.. What do you think???

Let's hear from others who are interested.. Thus far we are looking at Pres, Day,,,

Bajatripper - 8-12-2011 at 07:01 AM

My wife and I will make an effort to be there. But, like a few others, it depends on how our finances line up at that time. Sounds like a lot of fun.

David K - 8-12-2011 at 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by El Comadante Loco

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Originally posted by TW
Rudy where did you want to start the walk from the water at Gonzaga Bay?

The trail is the El Camino Real post 1769... the dashed line on my map. The easiest way to reach the start of the trail is to use the Las Palmitas road, just over 7 miles south of Rancho Grande/ Pemex station... then go 4.0 miles east to the parking spot at the edge of the white sand arroyo (Arroyo Santa Maria). A large boulder is next to this spot and is located at the point where the road drops into the sand.

This is the entrance to the canyon, and you could hike up the canyon, but that is harder and requires wading through deep water.

If you hike the El Camino Real, there is no water, but it would be the easier route to the mission... Allow 6 hours for the hike to the mission. The trail begins across the white sand arroyo from the parking spot, on the north bank... Look for cattle tracks converging to the one point where they (and you) can climb out of the big Arroyo Santa Maria.

The Camino Real stays in in the hills above the north rim of the canyon... and there are places where it vanishes and reappears... Myself and Don Jorge hiked it in 2003 (me about 2/3 of it and him, all the way). Rock piles (ducks) mark it where the Franciscan trail is hard to spot. (The Jesuits weren't in Baja long enough after founding Santa Maria to build their famous high quality road to it).

See http://vivabaja.com/1103 for more on my hike on it.

GPS Directions (map datum NAD27 Mexico)

Take Hwy. 5 south 7.4 miles from Rancho Grande, turn west: 29°41.094'/ 114°24.566'
3.2 miles west of Hwy. 5, go straight where most traffic curves left for Las Palmitas: 29°41.278'/ 114°27.639'
0.8 miles from above, park at huge boulder: 29°41.68'/ 114°28.20'
Hike to north bank of Arroyo Santa Maria to: 29°41.733'/ 114°28.175' elev. 609' (ECR-1)
Go northwest and climb out of valley, note ocotillos.
Along left side of side valley: 29°42.374'/ 114°28.566' elev. 741' (ECR-2)
On first padre built switchback up: 29°42.669'/ 114°28.937' elev. 906' (ECR-3)
On a ridge, trail continues northwest: 29°42.671'/ 114°29.425' elev. 1308' (ECR-4)
On the Camino Real: 29°42.748'/ 114°29.482' elev. 1391' (ECR-5)
Crossing ridges and little mesas: 29°43.008'/ 114°29.967' elev. 1477' (ECR-6)
Drop along side of ridge, trail narrow: 29°43.074'/ 114°30.128' elev.1610' (ECR-7)
End of today's hike just beyond this last clear sign of the old trail: 29°43.141'/ 114°30.189' elev. 1702' (ECR-8)
Junction of ECR & bulldozed road: 29°43.126'/ 114°31.753' elev.1413'
(End of bulldozed road, on canyon ridge: 29°43.033'/ 114°31.556' elev. 1,615' )
Mision Santa Maria: 29°43.891'/ 114°32.794' elev.1628'

[Edited on 8-12-2011 by David K]

TMW - 8-12-2011 at 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by El Comadante Loco

My thought is to start the hike from the trail head up to the mission.. I think it is about 5-7 miles from Gonzaga.. David K knows where it is.. Once we get dropped of the support vehicles can go around and meet us at the mission if they can get past the bog.. If not we can hike up the hill to meet the trucks.. What do you think???

That sounds good to me and DK gave us the directions above.

The start of the trail... from Nov. 2002:

David K - 8-12-2011 at 11:32 AM

Three cattle trails cross Arroyo Santa Maria and converge at the only place where a climb out of the arroyo is possible. This was on my second day searching, and the reward was worth it.

This second climb takes you out of the Santa Maria river valley and into a higher side side valley heading northwest. Ocotillos line the trail just ahead.

This sign says it all! It was laying along the El Camino Real about a half mile up from Arroyo Santa Maria. I continued hiking, with a big smile on my face!

Ahead to Mision Santa Maria

Looking back to the southeast. This was the Baja Highway, before automobiles.

The other end of ECR at the mission valley

David K - 8-12-2011 at 03:12 PM

Here is the Camino Real as it switchbacks down the steep hillside to the mission valley.

Here is where it joins the auto road from the mission (looking from the road to the ECR).

Here is the road looking towards the mission... it is 1.5 miles from here.

Last year:

Where ECR meets the road from the mission.

An ocotillo growing in the the padre's trail.

[Edited on 8-12-2011 by David K]

mcfez - 8-12-2011 at 03:57 PM

David...if I get tired during this hike.....will you carry me?

I cant believe the library of maps and photos you have acquired over the years. Just great stuff.

David K - 8-12-2011 at 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
David...if I get tired during this hike.....will you carry me?

I cant believe the library of maps and photos you have acquired over the years. Just great stuff.

No.

Thanks... It has been my life's passion, the collection of Baja books and maps... and to travel to the interesting places of Baja and make my own maps or travel logs of them. Obviously, our favorite area is 15-25 miles south of San Felipe, so most of my maps and photos are of that area.

El Comadante Loco - 8-12-2011 at 11:08 PM

David, you are a wealth of information and your willingness to share it will all of us is selfless and exemplary. We need you on this hike and sincerely hope you can make it..

About 9 years ago we started at the trail head west of punta final and made to the mission by late afternoon carrying all of our gear including water and without any support trucks to meet us there. The next day we hiked out via the wash, what a mistake, it was much more difficult than the padre trail but it was beautiful and worth the effort.

I agree we need to give this hike at least one week however since there are two parts to this hike if individuals can not take the whole week they can do either the first or second half of the trek...

Rudy

David K - 8-12-2011 at 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
David, you are a wealth of information and your willingness to share it will all of us is selfless and exemplary. We need you on this hike and sincerely hope you can make it..

About 9 years ago we started at the trail head west of punta final and made to the mission by late afternoon carrying all of our gear including water and without any support trucks to meet us there. The next day we hiked out via the wash, what a mistake, it was much more difficult than the padre trail but it was beautiful and worth the effort.

I agree we need to give this hike at least one week however since there are two parts to this hike if individuals can not take the whole week they can do either the first or second half of the trek...

Rudy

Excellent point! Gulf Half and the Pacific half with Rancho Santa Ynez and Cataviña in the middle. I would love to help or be there, but things would really need to change for me business-wise to take a week off (or even have money to go at all!!).

TMW - 8-13-2011 at 10:30 AM

I'll supply you with beer.

El Comadante Loco - 8-13-2011 at 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by TW
I'll supply you with beer.

and food!!!!

mcfez - 8-13-2011 at 12:17 PM

I'll supply the crazy campfire stories for you

David K - 8-13-2011 at 02:15 PM

I will do my best to be there, thank you my friends!

TMW - 8-20-2011 at 04:33 PM

Big 5 had a sale on the little handy talky radios, two for $25 so I picked up a couple of sets. Can use them when the grandkids come out to camp and hike. Also when we do our hike. Says they work up to 20 miles depending on terrain.

TMW - 9-5-2011 at 11:18 AM

Don't want this to get lost our leader, El Comadante Loco, may forget about it.

Von - 9-5-2011 at 11:45 AM

So this trek would take place in January i would be very interested. Id love to join you guys and gals i can carry up to 50lbs im very well trained in long distance running and hiking. id love to mark the trail for future hikes that would be my interest in this too. Helping to clear out brush for 60 miles sounds fun to me. Bajaboy "Zach" will attest to this im sure he would love to join us if hes not workn. just a thought, he to can carry up to 50lbs. lol~! Let me know when thanks!

bajaandy - 9-5-2011 at 04:54 PM

This sounds like a really cool adventure! If the timing is right, I want in. I've climbed to the top of Baja, so why not hike across it? I've done a lot of climbing and backpacking, but not so much long distance hiking (+20 miles a day). Also, I'm fairly familiar with that stretch of road from Catavina to the Pacific. Let us know once you nail down some dates.

TMW - 11-3-2011 at 10:34 AM

Bump so DK don't forget.

Bajaboy - 11-3-2011 at 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by Von
So this trek would take place in January i would be very interested. Id love to join you guys and gals i can carry up to 50lbs im very well trained in long distance running and hiking. id love to mark the trail for future hikes that would be my interest in this too. Helping to clear out brush for 60 miles sounds fun to me. Bajaboy "Zach" will attest to this im sure he would love to join us if hes not workn. just a thought, he to can carry up to 50lbs. lol~! Let me know when thanks!

I'm game...let's run it Von :tumble:

David K - 11-3-2011 at 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by TW
Bump so DK don't forget.

I haven't forgot, but unless I have an income, I am not going anywhere!

Help me get back to Baja... or, keep DK off Nomad longer :lol:

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Von - 11-3-2011 at 04:25 PM

Yeah Zach that would be awesome!

El Comadante Loco - 11-19-2011 at 07:05 PM

It is time to bring this thread back to life. As we have discussed on this board the objective is to hike from Gonzaga to the Pacific coast. I propose the following itinerary which is open to criticism, debate, suggestions and changes.

Feb 2012:

2/18 Meet in Gonzaga, camp, Rancho Grande or Beluga?

2/19 Hike to Santa Maria,

2/20 Santa Maria to Catavina,

2/21 Catavina to the coast

2/22 Continue hike to coast

2/23-24 Camp at coast

2/25 Head home

We will need support vehicles to carry all the camping equipment, food and of course our drinks since we will need rendezvous each day after the hike.

Several Nomads have expressed an interest so for all interested in participating either as a hiker or support driver please post your intent.

Gracias

ECL

mcfez - 11-19-2011 at 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by TW
Bump so DK don't forget.

I haven't forgot, but unless I have an income, I am not going anywhere!

Help me get back to Baja... or, keep DK off Nomad longer :lol:

You paying for this ad space?

David K - 11-19-2011 at 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by TW
Bump so DK don't forget.

I haven't forgot, but unless I have an income, I am not going anywhere!

Help me get back to Baja... or, keep DK off Nomad longer :lol:

You paying for this ad space?

YES, with my help and support for the hike! However, it isn't looking very good. The wrong time of year and an already destroyed home improvement industry thanks to ... well, let's no go there!

Bajatripper - 11-19-2011 at 10:41 PM

On my last trip up the peninsula I noticed this sign at the restaurant across the highway from the Cataviña Desert Hotel. I won't know for sure until after the new year if I can make it.

[Edited on 11-20-2011 by Bajatripper]

Bajatripper - 11-19-2011 at 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by David K
...and an already destroyed home improvement industry thanks to ... well, let's no go there!

You're learning David, you're learing. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks? :lol:

Von & Zach

John M - 11-20-2011 at 07:22 AM

You two interested in doin' a little running on this trek?

I believe I could be in for some of that.

John M

Bajatripper - 11-20-2011 at 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by John M
You two interested in doin' a little running on this trek?

I believe I could be in for some of that.

John M

Sounds like we've found our trail setters for a hash run!

http://www.gthhh.com/

bacquito - 11-20-2011 at 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
It is time to bring this thread back to life. As we have discussed on this board the objective is to hike from Gonzaga to the Pacific coast. I propose the following itinerary which is open to criticism, debate, suggestions and changes.

Feb 2012:

2/18 Meet in Gonzaga, camp, Rancho Grande or Beluga?

2/19 Hike to Santa Maria,

2/20 Santa Maria to Catavina,

2/21 Catavina to the coast

2/22 Continue hike to coast

2/23-24 Camp at coast

2/25 Head home

We will need support vehicles to carry all the camping equipment, food and of course our drinks since we will need rendezvous each day after the hike.

Several Nomads have expressed an interest so for all interested in participating either as a hiker or support driver please post your intent.

Gracias

ECL

Hiker, thanks

TMW - 11-25-2011 at 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
On my last trip up the peninsula I noticed this sign at the restaurant across the highway from the Cataviña Desert Hotel. I won't know for sure until after the new year if I can make it.

[Edited on 11-20-2011 by Bajatripper]

Last weekend there was a hike from Altamira to LA Bay thru San Borja.

TMW - 11-25-2011 at 06:25 PM

This could be one of the greatest trips of the year next to the lost mission hike in April. I'm in as is my friend BJ. If I get my bro to join us all the merrier.

TMW - 11-25-2011 at 06:38 PM

I'm thinking I could bring my GMC Z71 down with the camper shell which would give us a lot of room for bags, ice chest etc. BJ was going to drive down in his car to Rancho Santa Ines and leave his car there and ride to Gonzaga bay with me. Either my brother or I could drive to Mission Santa Maria with the gear and meet the hikers. We can work out all the misc. details as it comes together. I've been hiking around town and Jaw Bone Canyon with a 12 lb backpack for practice. A side note: I was with my son and grandson at the 1000 race last week and we walked a lot. My son walks pretty fast. He's in the army and retires next year after 22 years. He said they do a 12 mile hike with a 25 lb backpack in 3 hours. I guess the army won't take me I can't walk that fast with or without the backpack.

woody with a view - 11-25-2011 at 06:50 PM

an average person walks a mile in about 20 minutes. might be good for a baseline.

dtbushpilot - 11-25-2011 at 06:53 PM

I think I want in........dt

Hike contingency

John M - 11-26-2011 at 07:41 AM

In the event the support vehicle(s) cannot get into Santa Maria site, how much further walk that first day to the top of the widow maker?

Is there potable water along this first day's route?

If not, is someone bringing a filter for water we may encounter?

John M

larryC - 11-26-2011 at 07:57 AM

I am interested in helping out with a support vehicle. I have an 4x4 F350 truck with a camper shell and if you think it is necessary I can bring a 5'x8' utility trailer. I haven't done much in that area and have always wanted to. Sounds like a fun trip. I am in BoLA, so not too far to Gonzaga. let me know about the trailer. If you don't think it is necessary for the gear then maybe I'll bring a quad.
Larry
PS Actually, the truck I will bring is the one in my avatar. Does that give you confidence in it?

[Edited on 11-26-2011 by larryC]

bajalou - 11-26-2011 at 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
an average person walks a mile in about 20 minutes. might be good for a baseline.

But think that's on a fairly flat surface isn't it Woody? Going up the washes will sloow most down considerably. I think anyway. :?:

dtbushpilot - 11-26-2011 at 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by bajalou

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Originally posted by woody with a view
an average person walks a mile in about 20 minutes. might be good for a baseline.

But think that's on a fairly flat surface isn't it Woody? Going up the washes will sloow most down considerably. I think anyway. :?:

Being old, fat and out of shape will slow me down more than a steenkin sand wash, at least you're only old lou :lol:

.....dt

TMW - 11-26-2011 at 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by larryC
I am interested in helping out with a support vehicle. I have an 4x4 F350 truck with a camper shell and if you think it is necessary I can bring a 5'x8' utility trailer. I haven't done much in that area and have always wanted to. Sounds like a fun trip. I am in BoLA, so not too far to Gonzaga. let me know about the trailer. If you don't think it is necessary for the gear then maybe I'll bring a quad.
Larry
PS Actually, the truck I will bring is the one in my avatar. Does that give you confidence in it?

[Edited on 11-26-2011 by larryC]

A trailer might be usufull for the gear. I wouldn't take it down the widowmaker into Mission Santa Maria but leave it somewhere safe for on the way out.

Is your truck right side up now?

Bajatripper - 11-26-2011 at 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
an average person walks a mile in about 20 minutes. might be good for a baseline.

My limited hiking experience tells me that IF the above is true, it's measured over relatively flat, solid, uncluttered land. Now add hills, sand, and rocks to the mix. Then, there's that swamp...

[Edited on 12-18-2011 by Bajatripper]

Bajatripper - 11-26-2011 at 01:40 PM

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A trailer might be usufull for the gear. I wouldn't take it down the widowmaker into Mission Santa Maria but leave it somewhere safe for on the way out.

Is your truck right side up now?

You guys' willingness to help, and to organize such an event, makes one proud to be associated with the Nomads (even if some around Mulege don't seem to think so).

woody with a view - 11-26-2011 at 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

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Originally posted by woody with a view
an average person walks a mile in about 20 minutes. might be good for a baseline.

My limited hiking experience tells me that the above is true, it's measured over relatively flat, solid, uncluttered land. Now add hills, sand, and rocks to the mix. Then, there's that swamp...

eggsackly! but what about the downhill sides of the roads? it is an average, for a baseline, YMMV! so 30 minutes per mile? has anyone even penciled it out yet? :?:

Cypress - 11-26-2011 at 03:08 PM

Go for it! Can you pencil your fat butt trudging many miles across desert country. Not a pretty picture. It's a comical picture.

larryC - 11-26-2011 at 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by TW

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[Edited on 11-26-2011 by larryC]

A trailer might be usufull for the gear. I wouldn't take it down the widowmaker into Mission Santa Maria but leave it somewhere safe for on the way out.

Is your truck right side up now?

I don't know much about the route, but if I had to leave the trailer somewhere wouldn't that negate its usefullness? I didn't plan on following the hikng route, just on meeting at prearranged spots and setting up a camp for the hikers.
I see you are from Bakerspatch, so you probably know Roger Mears. He is my neighbor down here in BoLA and he'll be here in a couple of weeks. I'll invite him to come along he is always up for an adventure. He'll want to take his Cinco Grande.
The truck is right side up now and I'm doing my best to keep it that way. Not one of my better days.
Larry

David K - 11-26-2011 at 04:38 PM

I recommend figuring 6 hours to hike up to Mision Santa Maria on El Camino Real as it is quite a trail. I only did 2/3 of it back in 2003 but Don Jorge did it all the way just a week or 2 after me. He came back down via the canyon. The next day is 14.5 miles to Santa Ynez on the road so about 7 to 8 hours is my guesstimate.

TMW - 11-26-2011 at 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by larryC

I don't know much about the route, but if I had to leave the trailer somewhere wouldn't that negate its usefullness? I didn't plan on following the hikng route, just on meeting at prearranged spots and setting up a camp for the hikers.
I see you are from Bakerspatch, so you probably know Roger Mears. He is my neighbor down here in BoLA and he'll be here in a couple of weeks. I'll invite him to come along he is always up for an adventure. He'll want to take his Cinco Grande.
The truck is right side up now and I'm doing my best to keep it that way. Not one of my better days.
Larry

By a safe area I mean before the widowmaker. Connecting the trailer on the way out. It would be maybe 2-3 miles from the camp site at the mission. I plotted a course on Google Earth for our leader starting behind the La Pinta or Desert Inn hotel or what ever it's called now that follows a trail then into a wash over to the main road that goes to Puerto Canoas or San Jose, which ever we what to go to. Ist night Missionj Santa Maria, 2nd night Santa Ines. 3rd night some where west, etc. Was on the road from San Jose this past Monday. Graded and wide but muddy from the rain. May what to find narrow trail to follow.

bacquito - 11-26-2011 at 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

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Originally posted by woody with a view
an average person walks a mile in about 20 minutes. might be good for a baseline.

My limited hiking experience tells me that the above is true, it's measured over relatively flat, solid, uncluttered land. Now add hills, sand, and rocks to the mix. Then, there's that swamp...

Also, 20-30# back pack!

larryC - 11-27-2011 at 08:53 AM

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OK, you know the area better than I do. I haven't done anything east of Santa Ynez, and the last time I was at Faro San Jose was in '74. I can follow directions fairly well, so I'll just go or do what you guys want me to do. I just need a little road trip.
Larry

Bajatripper - 11-27-2011 at 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Go for it! Can you pencil your fat butt trudging many miles across desert country. Not a pretty picture. It's a comical picture.

baitcast - 11-28-2011 at 08:03 AM

Been watching this from the beginning and it sounds like a fun thing But after seeing the many pictures of you guys over the years I think I should mention something :lol:

some of you better start training yesterday :lol:

Them beer bellies mixed with a sandy arroyo,throw in a hot day and to much beer last nite well you know how that might play out :lol:

Rob

TMW - 11-28-2011 at 10:36 AM

That's why we will have supply trucks along. Either to drink more beer or for a ride.

TMW - 12-17-2011 at 06:16 PM

Less we forget.

dtbushpilot - 12-17-2011 at 08:43 PM

I've been "training".....

larryC - 12-18-2011 at 11:03 AM

I'm still interested in being there in a support roll if you need it.
Larry

TMW - 12-18-2011 at 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I've been "training".....

Me too, I've been walking 3-5 miles two and sometimes three days a week with a 15 lb backpack. I have 4 qts of water in plastic bottles in it so if it starts to feel heavy I can just pour the water out. So far so good.

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