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Orange County man on a fishing trip gets rammed by Mexican Navy

Jim/Liisa - 6-27-2011 at 08:13 PM

Can't believe how arrogant The Mexican Navy can be! No verbal warning just rammed the guy's boat then asked questions??? :mad:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=8217815

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]

Woooosh - 6-27-2011 at 08:30 PM

I would think daytime trips should be OK. From what I know- the smugglers move pangas along and up the coast at night. Then again, it is dangerous out at night for them. They're just trying to make it look like they're doing something in the drug war.

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Woooosh]

JESSE - 6-27-2011 at 09:58 PM

Sounds fishy to me, theres more to it than what its being told.

Diver - 6-27-2011 at 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Sounds fishy to me, theres more to it than what its being told.

Sure there is Jesse.
The child they had driving the boat tried to pull alongside and ended up ramming them - oops.

redhilltown - 6-27-2011 at 11:44 PM

Gotta agree with Diver on this one... I seriously doubt an old doctor would be doing something blatantly illegal or obviously stupid. We have all seen the "Mexican Navy" and my best guess is not a single one of us would be impressed. They were bored and had to earn their keep. Same thing at the checkpoints when they find something in your car and make a stink about it for 10 minutes before moving you on.

JESSE - 6-28-2011 at 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by redhilltown
Gotta agree with Diver on this one... I seriously doubt an old doctor would be doing something blatantly illegal or obviously stupid. We have all seen the "Mexican Navy" and my best guess is not a single one of us would be impressed. They were bored and had to earn their keep. Same thing at the checkpoints when they find something in your car and make a stink about it for 10 minutes before moving you on.

I am not saying the guy was doing anything wrong, but i also don't think the navy would just go out and ram the guy for nothing. They can get in real trouble for doing things like that so i think some sort of miscommunication happened or soemthing.

motoged - 6-28-2011 at 12:32 AM

Stop yer whining....the Mexicans try to do something about smuggling and you discredit their efforts....and you would discredit them if they didn't make an effort.....shaddup!!

Do you want them to float an invitation for boarding over on a palm leaf?

Marc - 6-28-2011 at 05:14 AM

We were stopped and inspected by the MexNav in BoLA in 2005. They were polite and respectful.

Arrogant???

bajaguy - 6-28-2011 at 06:32 AM

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Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
Can't believe how arrogant The Mexican Navy can be! No verbal warning just ramed the guy's boat then asked questions??? :mad:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=8217815

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]

Yeah, but you are only getting ONE side of the "story".....

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2011 at 06:45 AM

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Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
"We were about a mile and a half offshore when all of a sudden this boat came up lickity split, came up against the port side of the boat and slammed into us," Barry McKay said.

The 27-foot boat shows signs of damage on the exterior, as well as the interior. It could cost more than $2,000 to repair the boat.

$2,000. sounds like pretty minor damage. he could be exaggerating the value of damage.

perhaps he is lying about cause to recover insurance money, after he ran into dock an caused damage himself.

shari - 6-28-2011 at 06:48 AM

it does sound strange....we talk with alot of yachts and the navy does inspect them regularly but generally attempt to make radio contact first, failing that use a loud hailer. It is their job to check boats in mexican waters and see that they are legit, have permits etc. Dive charter boats from the states do dive and fish without proper permits. In these turbulent times, more inspections are occurring. the guns are just part of the uniform and these guys get shot at by poachers and drug smugglers so I dont blame them for having them at the ready when approaching a boat. They come in hard and fast in any suspicious conditions if you didnt respond to the radio calls and looked to be running away.

If you see the navy approaching, one should realize they want to do an inspection and cooperate fully by heaving to, put bumpers out etc. It makes me wonder if they failed to stop or respond to radio contact. Coming alongside is a tricky manouver and can result in damage to rails etc. if both parties arent fending off...perhaps a communications issue all right.

mcfez - 6-28-2011 at 06:57 AM

Mexico's navy was in Puerticitos bout a year ago when we were there. There was a large group....practicing naval maneuvers there off the ramp. Super nice dudes.

The guys manning the road inspections.....I have had good experience with them too.

Then again....like OUR military...there are issues with personal at times.

Ramming boats intentionally without a warning? I agree...what's the part of this story that got left out?

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by mcfez]

wessongroup - 6-28-2011 at 07:01 AM

Exactly .. thanks for the balance... always two sides... sometimes even more...

That someone with a "vessel" should be shocked getting an inspection from the Navy off the coast anywhere north of La Salina to the border ... well... think we ALL know how much and what moves up the coast by vessels .... day and night...

Also was it a small craft which caused the small damage incurred to the vessel .... or something long these lines... just asking.. as these guys used to be around ... don't know now... this was off La Mision ... and it would make a difference...

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by BajaNomad]

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2011 at 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by mcfez
Ramming boats intentionally without a warning? I agree...what's the part of this story that got left out?

the article said "slammed". did not say "rammed."

"slammed" may have just been a bump to a drunk boater who didn't have sense enough to put out fenders before being boarded for inspection.

Jack Swords - 6-28-2011 at 07:08 AM

Having been boarded by the Mexican Navy several times, we have always been treated with respect. Young navy men don't wear soft deck shoes and the patrol boats don't put out fenders. Aside from that, boaters should put out fenders when the patrol boat is coming aside. That is their job. They are dressed out in proper gear for what they may encounter with a strange ship. Boats tied side to side will rub in a running sea and can cause damage if preparations (fenders) were not made. I did see the television news and the 27 ft power boat had damage to the port side at the stern quarter. The rub rail had been damaged, they said $2000, which is very minor with a boat. The use of the word "rammed" is a bit overkill as if they were rammed by the patrol boat it would not be at the quarter and the boat would be badly stove-in. 14 years sailing in Mexican waters and the only complaint I have heard from fellow boaters is that the boarding party wears boots (black marks etc.) on the hull. They certainly dress differently than our coast guard, but then again, look what they are facing.

Jack Swords - 6-28-2011 at 07:34 AM

"COSTA MESA, Calif. (KABC) -- A Costa Mesa man says the Mexican military rammed his boat twice and held him at gunpoint during a fishing trip over the weekend."

Copied from original link.

he said, she said

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2011 at 07:38 AM

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Originally posted by Jack Swords
"COSTA MESA, Calif. (KABC) -- A Costa Mesa man says the Mexican military rammed his boat twice and held him at gunpoint during a fishing trip over the weekend."

Copied from original link.

jackie:
this is only relevant quote I could find:
"We were about a mile and a half offshore when all of a sudden this boat came up lickity split, came up against the port side of the boat and slammed into us," Barry McKay said.

where do you see a direct quote of Barry McKay using word "rammed?"

Mulegena - 6-28-2011 at 07:50 AM

Mexican Marines

I saw them in town last night when I was getting gasoline. They're stationed here as they are in many towns along Baja's coasts.

I've grown accustomed to them, Marine and Army, as a presence in Baja and have found them to be ok guys. I've had occasion to see how they handle themselves in a coule of situations and they're sincere and as professional as their culture, training, age and experience affords, in my opinion. They do present as formidable, some with the ski mask on face, that's true, and they are armed. They're doing their job.

Again, I have to say the US media tends to put a spin of slander in their reporting of incidents in Mexico which leaves the reader/listener with a sense of anxiety and fear.

Goat.....the fact finder? Oh Gods!

mcfez - 6-28-2011 at 07:51 AM

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dizzyspots - 6-28-2011 at 08:18 AM

Nice Deno!

drarroyo - 6-28-2011 at 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by drarroyo

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

the article said "slammed". did not say "rammed."

"slammed" may have just been a bump to a drunk boater who didn't have sense enough to put out fenders before being boarded for inspection.

BAM!!!! Goat nails it again.
Jim or Lisa should be ashamed of themselves.
I did not read link (suspecting one side of story being left out), but the point being, reading the headline conjured up a certain image.
I revisit this post and see Goats comment. 'Slammed' would have made for a different 'picture' in my mind.
Shame on them.
What the hell is a rame anyway :lol:

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by drarroyo]

clicked on link! The article does state 'rammed'!
The boat sure shows damage but hardly from ramming!! Looks like Mexican Navy screwed up getting close to this boat (maybe rough seas) and some 'siding' was damaged. In a perfect world fishing guy should be compensated.
But ramming. please.
what a textbook example of the power of media the news clip displays.

BajaGringo - 6-28-2011 at 08:36 AM

Having lots of boats and pangas in the water working all the time, we have contact with the Mexican Navy on a regular and ongoing basis down here. I cannot think of a single time where the contact was anything but professional and polite. The Navy is dealing with a lot more than just folks out trying to get their day's limit and I don't mean just people and drugs heading north.

Many don't realize that since the US started inspecting vehicles heading south, the cartels are now looking for other ways to move guns and money back to Mexico. "Private fishing boats" heading out of San Diego would be an excellent cover to move cash/guns and I would not be surprised to see the Navy approach private vessels with caution; weapons displayed.

You do need to have fenders out when they pull up as they will pull right along side. I strongly doubt that the Navy "rammed" the boat head on (unless they appeared to be trying to pull away) and suspect that the good doctor is just trying to justify/pad his insurance claim...

Jim/Liisa - 6-28-2011 at 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by drarroyo

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Originally posted by drarroyo

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Thanks, corrected my spelling no spell check on this site?
I am not saying the Mexican Navy as a whole is bad but like anything else there is always one bad seed.
The boat did sustain some major damage if you look at the wall in the head on the vidio. I don't think the Dr. was lieing about what happen. And both words rammed and slammed where used.

I do know the millitary like to show off when they fly on patrol over the coast they fly very low and fast over the houses. Now how can they actully see or catch what's going on doing that?

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]

drarroyo - 6-28-2011 at 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
You do need to have fenders out when they pull up as they will pull right along side. I strongly doubt that the Navy "rammed" the boat head on (unless they appeared to be trying to pull away) and suspect that the good doctor is just trying to justify/pad his insurance claim...

It's not rocket science! A ramming would induce indentation!!
Check the obvious up / DOWN damage. sheeez

sancho - 6-28-2011 at 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Sounds fishy to me, theres more to it than what its being told.

I have to go along with these other posters Jesse,
nationalistic pride is good, I would expect nothing
less, but if you think the Gringo skipper is anything
other than just going fishing, you should reevaluate

jenny.navarrette - 6-28-2011 at 10:50 AM

drarroyo - 6-28-2011 at 10:56 AM

:lol:

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2011 at 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by jenny.navarrette

where do the chicken coop groupers fall in evolution?

given that many republicans running for pres believe in creationism, would be in spirit of bipartisanship if you presented the creationism story of baja nomads.

oladulce - 6-28-2011 at 11:11 AM

Dr McKay is 80 yrs old and was still practicing up til the time I retired last year. He couldn't be any mellower, kinder, or a nicer guy. His patients love him, fellow physicians respect him, and I always enjoyed working with him when his patients came through the ER or were hospitalized. We never discussed fishing or Mexico and I know nothing of his boating skills or experiences in Mexico, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with anything negative to say about the man himself.

Jim/Liisa - 6-28-2011 at 12:24 PM

I just hope President Calderon gets wind of this incident and has the Officer disciplined. Yes for some reason, every boat carries an Officer on board in the Mexican Navy that includes pangas . This dosen't help for publicity of Mexico.

Any body who's been in the service knows they have there share of c-cky Officers. And the crew only follows orders.

monoloco - 6-28-2011 at 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
I just hope President Calderon gets wind of this incident and has the Officer disciplined. Yes for some reason, every boat carries an Officer on board in the Mexican Navy that includes pangas . This dosen't help for publicity of Mexico.

Any body who's been in the service knows they have there share of c-cky Officers. And the crew only follows orders.

Why should the officer be disciplined for the boat operator's failure to deploy fenders?

Jim/Liisa - 6-28-2011 at 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by monoloco

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Why should the officer be disciplined for the boat operator's failure to deploy fenders?

Speaking of bumper guards where wear the ones onthe Navy boat and where were the sailers. And what orders where given by this Officer? Sorry but that Officer is still responsable for any action made by His crew no matter what it was right wrong or indifferent.
I truely think that the American Dr. was telling the truth. And His boat was damaged.

[Edited on 6-28-2011 by Jim/Liisa]

Cypress - 6-28-2011 at 01:15 PM

This post is short on facts and long on speculation. :biggrin:

Damage? Injuries? :?:

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2011 at 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
I truely think that the American Dr. was telling the truth.

you "truly think" so on basis of a 100-word news article?

it is evident that the reporter only spoke with the gringo and did not interview the Navy -- the article tells one side of the story.

Fenders?

Dave - 6-28-2011 at 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by monoloco
Why should the officer be disciplined for the boat operator's failure to deploy fenders?

Fenders wouldn't have helped one bit. Like getting hit by Andre the Giant. There was extensive delamination in the cabin which means the other vessel hit him pretty hard.

Jim/Liisa - 6-28-2011 at 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by monoloco
Why should the officer be disciplined for the boat operator's failure to deploy fenders?

Fenders wouldn't have helped one bit. Like getting hit by Andre the Giant. There was extensive delamination in the cabin which means the other vessel hit him pretty hard.

Thank you Dave...

shari - 6-28-2011 at 01:31 PM

I have heard the Navy hailing vessels on the radio often and they give them several chances to respond and then they tell them they are going to approach and to heave to and be prepared for boarding. I often think the boats just dont answer or stop because they dont understand spanish.... I wonder if they had their VHF on.

drarroyo - 6-28-2011 at 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Jim/Liisa

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Originally posted by monoloco

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Why should the officer be disciplined for the boat operator's failure to deploy fenders?

wo. thats al i cann sayy

it takes a village, people!

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2011 at 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by Jim/Liisa
I just hope President Calderon gets wind of this incident and has the Officer disciplined.

I just hope President Calderon gets wind of this incident and gives the Officer a medal.

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DianaT - 6-28-2011 at 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
I strongly doubt that the Navy "rammed" the boat head on (unless they appeared to be trying to pull away) and suspect that the good doctor is just trying to justify/pad his insurance claim...

Say it isn't so---"justify/pad" no, no, just never happens. :lol:

Besides, it makes good copy for a news article. Could grow into a major article on a certain "News" station----Innocent US citizen held hostage was mistreated by the Mexican army and his boat destroyed by their ship----details at 10.

I am sorry his boat sustained damage, however.