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Baja California going after new tourism niches

BajaNews - 7-2-2011 at 07:08 AM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/01/baja-californ...

By Sandra Dibble
July 1, 2011

TIJUANA — Baja California has been losing cruise-ship visitors, sales of coastal real estate have plummeted and many resort hotel rooms sit empty. Yet the range of tourism offerings for visitors to the state has never been greater.

Among this year’s choices: a large agricultural fair in Mexicali, new fine-dining restaurants in Tijuana, an expanded wine festival in Ensenada, and surfing and rock-climbing classes in Rosarito Beach.

In the wake of a difficult decade for tourism, government and private promoters in Baja California are finding more ways to attract visitors as they launch into the traditional summer peak season. The state’s tourism secretary, Juan Tintos, speaks of “reorganizing, redefining our strategies in the tourism sector.”

That means continuing to target Hispanics living in the United States but also relying more heavily on Mexican domestic tourism. It means depending far less on the traditional flow of Americans to Baja California’s beaches and focusing on new niches: athletes and sports fans, food and wine devotees, convention visitors and medical tourists.

When things were going well, “the state didn’t have a need to look in general at what it can offer,” said Laura Torres, whose family owns and operates Rosarito Beach Hotel. Then a series of crises in recent years forced the search for a broader range of offerings.

Torres, the head of Baja California’s Business Coordinating Council, has started a tour agency that takes guests on excursions such as whale-watching trips, visits to a Spanish mission, rappelling classes in nearby La Mision.

“We have so much to offer, that we’re ourselves getting to know our state,” she said.

Jahdiel Vargas, a tourism consultant in Tijuana, said the region is still evolving from the mindset of “traditional 1980s tourism,” when “it didn’t matter what you did as long as you were in a foreign country.” The latest trends in tourism worldwide — where many visitors now seek out specific activities — are forcing specialization and different promotional strategies for Baja California, he said.

“The tourists who are trying to find new experiences in Mexico are pushing us to do better,” Vargas said.

A decade ago, lengthy waits at ports of entry along the San Diego sector dealt a severe blow to cross-border tourism, the result of tighter U.S. border security following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. In subsequent years, the U.S. economic downturn, the H1N1 swine-flu scare and reports of drug-gang violence in Mexico served to further discourage American visitors to Baja California.

Aiming for a recovery, Tijuana’s Tourism and Conventions Committee has sought out new markets.

“Blue-eyed, blond tourism is not coming down, by a long shot,” said Mariano Escobedo, the committee’s president. In its place, he said, local, state and national Mexican tourists are increasingly filling the void.

Figures from Banco de Mexico show that tourist expenditures in Baja California dropped from $1.25 billion in 2006 to $1.01 billion in 2009, while the numbers of international visitors fell from 27.1 million to 24.1 million in that period.

The downward trend was stemmed last year with a slight increase in both counts, and tourism promoters have been taking heart.

Tourism accounted for about one-tenth of Baja California’s revenues last year, generating about $835 million, Tintos said. He hopes to raise that figure to $855 million this year.

“We’re not abandoning the American market, we’re changing our strategy” with methods such as emphasizing the use of social media and reaching out more to Canadians and U.S. Hispanics, Tintos said.

According to hotel occupancy figures, the signs have been encouraging on holiday weekends — including Easter and Memorial Day — especially in Rosarito, San Felipe and other beach destinations.

One sign of the changing times is Turista Libre, a monthly tour led by Derrik Chinn, a U.S. citizen who lives in Tijuana.

His day trips draw between 25 and 40 participants who come to experience Tijuana like a Tijuanense might on his or her day off: visits to an indoor roller-skating rink, a Xolos soccer game, Tijuana’s cultural center, the El Vergel water park in eastern Tijuana — site of the June 25 tour.

The idea, Chinn said, is to “put an outsider in the shoes of an insider for the day.”

San Diegans, he said, do “hear good things about Tijuana amid all the bad news. They’ll catch whiffs of good things — like ‘Tijuana has an amazing music scene, Tijuana has an amazing arts scene’ — but they don’t know how to go about finding it.”

BAJA CALIFORNIA TOURISM: WHAT’S CHANGING

More Mexican visitors

*The domestic market has become increasingly important for Baja California’s tourism industry in recent years.

*More than 90 percent of the 18,000 out-of-state visitors to Mexicali’s annual Agrobaja agricultural fair this year were from other parts of Mexico, according to the event’s coordinators.

*Tijuana’s Tourism and Conventions Committee reports that domestic demand accounts for 80 percent of hotel-room rentals.

*The Rosarito Ensenada 50-Mile Fun Bicycle Ride, a twice-yearly event that traditionally has relied heavily on U.S. tourists, has been attracting an increasingly larger proportion of Mexican riders. “Baja tourism is reinventing itself, and we that bring tourists down are adapting to its changes,” said Gary Foster, the ride’s promoter.

Sports events

*The Baja California High Performance Center, a sprawling athletic facility that opened in 2003, has allowed Tijuana to host national and international competitions. The state is making a bid to host Mexico’s National Olympics in 2013. The event drew 13,000 athletes and 20,000 supporters to the area when it was held in 2009.

*The Xoloitzcuintles soccer team in Tijuana has developed a growing following on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border, particularly after its ascension to Mexico’s Primera Division in May.

Conventions

*A new convention center is under construction between Tijuana and Rosarito Beach. It is scheduled to open in 2012 and will be able to accommodate close to 5,000 people, state officials said.

*Tijuana’s Tourism and Conventions Committee has 20 national conventions on its calendar for this year. Among groups that have gathered in the city so far are the Mexican Association of Public Accountants, the Mexican Volleyball Federation and the National Congress of Urological Gynecology.

Food and wine

*Ensenada’s Fiestas de la Vendimia, the annual grape harvest festivities, drew close to 35,000 visitors last year. Organizers expect to surpass that number during this year’s event in August.

*Mexico’s federal tourism secretary has listed Valle de Guadalupe and surrounding wine-producing areas among the nation’s 10 major tourist routes.

*More microbreweries are pulling beer aficionados to the state. Many of them will be featured next month at a beer festival in Tijuana.

*Baja California cuisine has been receiving greater international recognition. For example, celebrity chef Rick Bayless is focusing on Baja cuisine during the eighth season of his PBS program, “Mexico, One Plate at a Time,” which is scheduled to air this year.

DENNIS - 7-2-2011 at 08:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNews
“Blue-eyed, blond tourism is not coming down, by a long shot,”



That's probably because people like this guy are sexist pigs. :o

Woooosh - 7-2-2011 at 11:05 AM

"continuing to target Hispanics living in the United States but also relying more heavily on Mexican domestic tourism"

This is what we are seeing in Rosarito Beach, Mexican tourists not blond ones. I think attracting more internal domestic tourism is a smart start for Rosarito although it does little for the high end hotels and restaurants. You have to start somewhere.

JoeJustJoe - 7-2-2011 at 11:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
"continuing to target Hispanics living in the United States but also relying more heavily on Mexican domestic tourism"

This is what we are seeing in Rosarito Beach, Mexican tourists not blond ones. I think attracting more internal domestic tourism is a smart start for Rosarito although it does little for the high end hotels and restaurants. You have to start somewhere.


So only gringos have money Wooosh?

What high end hotels and restaurants are in Rosarito?

Woooosh - 7-2-2011 at 11:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
"continuing to target Hispanics living in the United States but also relying more heavily on Mexican domestic tourism"

This is what we are seeing in Rosarito Beach, Mexican tourists not blond ones. I think attracting more internal domestic tourism is a smart start for Rosarito although it does little for the high end hotels and restaurants. You have to start somewhere.


So only gringos have money Wooosh?

What high end hotels and restaurants are in Rosarito?

Always a battle huh Joe? Occupancy at the many downtown Rosarito Beach 200 pesos per night motels on the strip is up, occupancy at the 2000 peso per night Rosarito Beach Hotel is flat or down. The roadside taco shops are busy, the high end restaurants are not. I do not know what the impact of the $1/hour parking meters are that went into effect yesterday. yckmgwab

DENNIS - 7-2-2011 at 12:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
"continuing to target Hispanics living in the United States but also relying more heavily on Mexican domestic tourism"



The US Hispanic demographic is a desperate compromise for a tourism market insomuch as they arn't universally popular in Mexico. In fact, some here refer to them as "Men without a country."
In their zeal to link themselves with Mexico as a mother-land, they espouse their blood loyalty to Mexico in spite of being born in the US.
"Mi Tierra." Devotion to the Virgin of Guadalupe....and anything else that will bind them to their fantasy.

In view of this, that they turn their back on their rightful birthland and pledge emotional allegiance to a land not their own as though birth rites are in the blood, they end up with nothing at all. They are "Men without a country."

Even today, this is not endearing to Mexican Nationals, but the Dept. Of Tourism is willing to overlook this in hopes the "New Tourism" will spend a few bucks. Their unspoken motto will remain, "The best part of the Red, White and Blue is Green. Leave it and leave."


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[Edited on 7-2-2011 by DENNIS]

Woooosh - 7-2-2011 at 02:56 PM

Ya know Dennis, I had not considered that Mexican-Americans may not want to visit Mexico as tourists on political/social grounds or that Mexican-Americans as tourists are less than welcome down here. interesting.

Dave - 7-2-2011 at 03:29 PM

What happened to the plans for homosexual tourism?

They could paint everything pink and purple and give it a go.

Woooosh - 7-2-2011 at 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Dave
What happened to the plans for homosexual tourism?

They could paint everything pink and purple and give it a go.

yeah, like that would be enough. Pink and Purple? I think someone in the Baja state government put the kibash on gay rights in Baja, specifically gay marriage. That happened at the same time they were talking-up gay tourism. Just bad timing... again.

Paula - 7-2-2011 at 03:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNews
“Blue-eyed, blond tourism is not coming down, by a long shot,”



That's probably because people like this guy are sexist pigs. :o



Wait a minute.... about half of all blond blue-eyed people are men...

DENNIS - 7-2-2011 at 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Paula
Wait a minute.... about half of all blond blue-eyed people are men...


Really? Was that the reference?

Doubt it. Good try though. The guy is still a pig in my book.

DENNIS - 7-2-2011 at 04:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
What happened to the plans for homosexual tourism?

They could paint everything pink and purple and give it a go.



Now...wait a minute. That's what the expats do. They believe that vibrant colors are endemic to the area and are part of indiginous life here. Very colorful poverty. They all make vibrant paper flowers and live a colorful life.

What ***kking nonsense.

The gays are something else. Who cares what they think they want or deserve because they're gay.
Work and earn it because I'm not in the mood to give it to you.....whatever in hell that is.

SALUD


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Ken Cooke - 7-2-2011 at 04:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
In fact, some here refer to them as "Men without a country."
In their zeal to link themselves with Mexico as a mother-land, they espouse their blood loyalty to Mexico in spite of being born in the US.
"Mi Tierra." Devotion to the Virgin of Guadalupe....and anything else that will bind them to their fantasy.


Dennis - This same phenomena is what was examined in the film, "Bar, El Chino" of the Argentenian patrons with Italian and Spanish blood ties with their respective European land. To understand the Mexican-American psyche, it is helpful to look outside of our microcosm to see what other immigrants are also experiencing.

DENNIS - 7-2-2011 at 05:05 PM

"Mexican-American psyche"

Not in my house. Your reference excludes my existance as rightful participant in the scheme of the USA.
I want to see references to the European source of society in our America. I'm sick and tired of being ignored.

We only survive because we are the quiet majority and that is changing. The day will come, with our ignorance to what is taking place, when the core demographic of the US will be subserviant to those who assail our borders today.

Wake up America. Yankee Doodle.

Ken Cooke - 7-2-2011 at 05:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
"Mexican-American psyche"

Not in my house. Your reference excludes my existance as rightful participant in the scheme of the USA.
I want to see references to the European source of society in our America. I'm sick and tired of being ignored.


But, the White Male *never* gets ignored. :yes:

Back to topic...

Ken Cooke - 7-2-2011 at 05:19 PM

Bar El Chino examined the lives of Argentenians during their millenial fiscal crisis. It is an excellent film which illustrates this topic in the lives of its ordinary citizens.



[WARNING]Here is the heartwarming end of the movie.

DENNIS - 7-2-2011 at 05:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke

But, the White Male *never* gets ignored. :yes:


How would you know?

Ken Cooke - 7-2-2011 at 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke

But, the White Male *never* gets ignored. :yes:


How would you know?


The above movie is a pretty durn good example. Doncha think?:light:

DENNIS - 7-2-2011 at 05:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
The above movie is a pretty durn good example. Doncha think?:light:



No....I don't. It's a drama sin realidad. If you replaced the actors with Blacks...you would have a different opinion.
You have a terrible opinion of Whites, Ken. You always have.
I respect that, but don't try to sell it to me. I was born this way.

Ken Cooke - 7-2-2011 at 05:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
The above movie is a pretty durn good example. Doncha think?:light:




You have a terrible opinion of Whites, Ken. You always have.


How would you know?

JoeJustJoe - 7-3-2011 at 03:59 AM

From the article: “Blue-eyed, blond tourism is not coming down, by a long shot,” said Mariano Escobedo, the committee’s president. In its place, he said, local, state and national Mexican tourists are increasingly filling the void.

Forget the Blue-eyed blond tourist. They ain't coming. They're are too scared. Wimps many of them.

They have a better shot of focusing on the Mexicans and Mexican-Americans living in the border states. Latinos are practically the majority now in California, and if they aren't yet they soon will be. And it's not one size fits all. There are huge different demographics, socioeconomic factors of Latinos. You can even break it down by generation with the first generations being the closes to Mexico, and the third generation being fully assimilated in US culture. Each one of these groups probably has ties to Mexico and they have visited the baja area numerous times.

Even the Mexican-Americans fear Baja because they see the same news as everybody else, and many of them believe the border area of Mexico is too dangerous. But these are the easiest to convince that Mexico isn't that dangerous as the media will have us believe. ( one trip again is usually all that's needed to convince them Mexico isn't that dangerous.
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A few here mentioned and discussed the fact that "SOME" Mexican nationals don't like Mexican-Americans, or as some call them the derogatory term of "Pochos." And "SOME" the key word here is "some" Mexican-Americans don't like Mexican nationals who they view as low class and it's especially bad in the high schools, but when push comes to shove Mexican-Americans support their Mexican National counterparts on immigration issues and that's something that gringos for the most part don't do. And when the Mexican nationals get to talking with the Mexican-American they find they have a lot in common and share the same culture.

I got news for white Americans who believe Mexican Nationals hate pochos. Guess who they hate more, and who they rip off more? That's right the Mexican haters can't stand
gabachos" the pejorative term for Americans, and they usually have a colorful adjective that goes in front of the "G" word. Now to your face the Mexican national haters are nice to you especially if you have money, but as soon as you turn your back. Watch out because they say some of the most unkind things about you and other white Americans.

But hey racial hate, bigotry, and stereotyping is everywhere. If a bigot hates one race or ethic heritage you can almost be certain he hates many different races, ethic heritages or religions. Show me a Mexican National that hates Mexican-Americans, and I'll show you the same guy who hates white Americans more!

[Edited on 7-3-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

Ken Cooke - 7-3-2011 at 06:34 AM

A few weeks ago, my Wife and I *walked* across the border for the day, and there wasn't anything to be scared about.

Along the way, the sidewalks are decorated with imagery that will undoubtedly inspire the next generation of Baja travelers!






DENNIS - 7-3-2011 at 08:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Show me a Mexican National that hates Mexican-Americans, and I'll show you the same guy who hates white Americans more!


Jeeezo, Joe...you're a real spokesman for Peace, Love and Fish Tacos. Yeah....quite the ambassador.
Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
garachos" the pejorative term for Americans, and they usually have a colorful adjective that goes in front of the "G" word.


By the the way...GABACHO is spelled like this. If I have to be the target of your racist epithet, I'd prefer that you extend the dignity of proper spelling.

I'm surprised by your uncharacteristic vitriol, but I'll consider the time of day..night...morning which you chose for your heartfelt note.

I don't suppose you have much planned for the Fourth...do ya. Best that you save all your festive moods for a Viva La Raza parade or a US flag burning. You know....something near and dear to your black heart.


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[Edited on 7-3-2011 by DENNIS]

Missing a Niche ?

MrBillM - 7-3-2011 at 09:02 AM

Mexico could start up "Narco-Cartel Reality Boot Camps" where paying tourists could assume various Roles and participate in Pseudo- Beheadings, Massacres and Army Assaults.

Thrills and Chills without Real Danger with Camera Crews making Souvenir DVDs for the folks to take home and reminisce over.

There may be Gold among those Thrill-seeking Gringoes.

Maybe, even the Japanese, once they get past that Radiation stuff and start spending tourist Yen again.

toneart - 7-3-2011 at 09:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
The above movie is a pretty durn good example. Doncha think?:light:



No....I don't. It's a drama sin realidad. If you replaced the actors with Blacks...you would have a different opinion.
You have a terrible opinion of Whites, Ken. You always have.
I respect that, but don't try to sell it to me. I was born this way.


"I was born this way." Dennis. Who are you, Lady Gaga? :lol:

Ken Cooke - 7-3-2011 at 09:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
The above movie is a pretty durn good example. Doncha think?:light:



No....I don't. It's a drama sin realidad. If you replaced the actors with Blacks...you would have a different opinion.
You have a terrible opinion of Whites, Ken. You always have.
I respect that, but don't try to sell it to me. I was born this way.


"I was born this way." Dennis. Who are you, Lady Gaga? :lol:


Dennis - Some of my best friends are White.

DENNIS - 7-3-2011 at 09:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Dennis - Some of my best friends are White.




That's because you're the only Black man in the world who owns a Jeep and likes to tear it apart in the hills. Nobody wants to do that alone. :lol:

Born to Be Ken

MrBillM - 7-3-2011 at 09:50 AM

Best summed up by "Ain't that the *****".

[Edited on 7-4-2011 by BajaNomad]

JoeJustJoe - 7-3-2011 at 11:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Show me a Mexican National that hates Mexican-Americans, and I'll show you the same guy who hates white Americans more!


Jeeezo, Joe...you're a real spokesman for Peace, Love and Fish Tacos. Yeah....quite the ambassador.
Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
garachos" the pejorative term for Americans, and they usually have a colorful adjective that goes in front of the "G" word.


By the the way...GABACHO is spelled like this. If I have to be the target of your racist epithet, I'd prefer that you extend the dignity of proper spelling.

I'm surprised by your uncharacteristic vitriol, but I'll consider the time of day..night...morning which you chose for your heartfelt note.

I don't suppose you have much planned for the Fourth...do ya. Best that you save all your festive moods for a Viva La Raza parade or a US flag burning. You know....something near and dear to your black heart.



[Edited on 7-3-2011 by DENNIS]


Dennis you're the one that started down this racist road how pochos are hated by Mexican nationals and then you stereotyped typed 'all' Mexican-Americans as being unpatriotic towards the US and identifying with Mexico over the USA.

I can't believe Woooosh and a few others concurred with you!( it shows me Woooosh knows even less about Mexican-Americans than he does Mexican Nationals!)

The fact is there are many Mexican-Americans who are just patriotic as you Dennis or other Americans. I happen not to be one of them, and think of the Fourth of July as just another holiday and nothing more. However, I still think I'm a better American for speaking out against bad US polices especially when Bush was President than the so-called conservative American flag wavers who say nothing when our basic humans/constitutional rights are infringed on.

The only thing I was pointing out that Mexican bigots who hate pochos often hate gabachos more. Sorry I misspelled it, but that must have been a typo because I use that word often. It's quite common for me to run across gringos who find out some Mexican nationals hate Mexican-Americans, but don't realize those types hate gringos more.

I could care less if somebody wants to burn the American flag or Mexican flag. Often there are good reasons to burn the flag and send a message.

[Edited on 7-3-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

DENNIS - 7-3-2011 at 12:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Dennis you're the one that started down this racist road how pochos are hated by Mexican nationals and then you stereotyped typed 'all' Mexican-Americans as being unpatriotic towards the US and identifying with Mexico over the USA.


"Pocho"....not my word, Joe. It's yours.

Let's refresh:

"The US Hispanic demographic is a desperate compromise for a tourism market insomuch as they arn't universally popular in Mexico. In fact, some here refer to them as "Men without a country."
In their zeal to link themselves with Mexico as a mother-land, they espouse their blood loyalty to Mexico in spite of being born in the US.
"Mi Tierra." Devotion to the Virgin of Guadalupe....and anything else that will bind them to their fantasy.

In view of this, that they turn their back on their rightful birthland and pledge emotional allegiance to a land not their own as though birth rites are in the blood, they end up with nothing at all. They are "Men without a country."
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Joe....must I go into detail about that word, "Some" ? it doesn't mean "All". I didn't mean all , but to your credit, I did over-generalize.
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The only thing I was pointing out that Mexican bigots who hate pochos often hate gabachos more. Sorry I misspelled it, but that must have been a typo because I use that word often.


Yes. I'm sure you do.
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I could care less if somebody wants to burn the American flag or Mexican flag. Often there are good reasons to burn the flag and send a message.



And, who wouldn't want a message from such a hateful person as you, Joe. You are such an inspiring person.

Joe....************************************************* *********************************. Your klanish intensity of hatred for Whites is disgusting.



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[Edited on 7-4-2011 by BajaNomad]

Woooosh - 7-3-2011 at 12:47 PM

Hey Joe who writes: "I could care less if somebody wants to burn the American flag or Mexican flag". Happy Fourth Joe. Try burning the Mexican flag in Mexico and see how many years yo spend in prison. Give thanks tomorrow that you can burn the USA flag and spout your thinly disguised contempt free from fear of repercussion. God Bless America. Enjoy the fourth everyone.

JoeJustJoe - 7-3-2011 at 01:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Dennis you're the one that started down this racist road how pochos are hated by Mexican nationals and then you stereotyped typed 'all' Mexican-Americans as being unpatriotic towards the US and identifying with Mexico over the USA.


"Pocho"....not my word, Joe. It's yours.

Let's refresh:

"The US Hispanic demographic is a desperate compromise for a tourism market insomuch as they arn't universally popular in Mexico. In fact, some here refer to them as "Men without a country."
In their zeal to link themselves with Mexico as a mother-land, they espouse their blood loyalty to Mexico in spite of being born in the US.
"Mi Tierra." Devotion to the Virgin of Guadalupe....and anything else that will bind them to their fantasy.

In view of this, that they turn their back on their rightful birthland and pledge emotional allegiance to a land not their own as though birth rites are in the blood, they end up with nothing at all. They are "Men without a country."
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Joe....must I go into detail about that word, "Some" ? it doesn't mean "All". I didn't mean all , but to your credit, I did over-generalize.
Quote:

The only thing I was pointing out that Mexican bigots who hate pochos often hate gabachos more. Sorry I misspelled it, but that must have been a typo because I use that word often.


Yes. I'm sure you do.
Quote:

I could care less if somebody wants to burn the American flag or Mexican flag. Often there are good reasons to burn the flag and send a message.



And, who wouldn't want a message from such a hateful person as you, Joe. You are such an inspiring person.

Joe....************************************************* *********************************. Your klanish intensity of hatred for Whites is disgusting.



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Dennis it's obvious to anyone that reads your anti-Mexican rants that you have an anti-Mexican bias towards Mexicans where you often negatively stereotype them and lump them all together.

Let me remind you on this patriotic holiday coming up how Mexican-Americans served in the US military in pretty high numbers compared to their representation in the USA as a whole, and how Latinos over represent themselves in the US Marines where they make up over 18 percent of the US Marines. In both World War II and the Vietnam war Hispanics often were the grunts sent to fight in the front lines and suffered many war casualties but they fought hard and often inflicted heavy casualties on their enemies. One of the reasons why they fought so hard is to prove themselves.

Personally, I think wars stinks, and any young Latino kid or any kid for that matter should have their head examined if they want to join the US military in order to risk their lives for Halliburton or other evil US corporation. They certainly aren't fighting for me, or other Americans back home. But we Latinos are a diverse group who often don't think alike and some Latinos are very patriotic and then there are others like me who hang the American flag upside down in my house.( actually it's my kids that do that)

Let me leave you with a few writings about others and Hispanics in the US armed forces:

According to the U.S. Army records, Hispanics have been fighting in every war since the revolutionary war with both honor and pride. Whenever the call was issued forth for those who loved America to come to her defense, Hispanics have heeded the call and deserve credit for defending America’s freedom initially and to date. Today, thousands of Hispanic Americans still fight to defend the freedom and liberty of America, fighting the war on terrorism, engaging enemies on distant shores as well as protecting the homeland in the service of the coast guard, border patrol and the reserves. Though a well known fact that many Hispanics serve in the military today, it is less known the history of Hispanics in the armed services paralleling the development of the United States through all of its years of change and resulting wars.

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Hispanics (sometimes also referred to as "Latinos"[4]) in the Marine Corps account for the largest minority group of that military institution. Hispanics comprise 18 percent of enlisted Marines today, up from 15 percent when the Iraq War began.[5] The United States Marine Corps has implemented an aggressive recruitment programs directed towards Hispanics,[6] which is the nation's largest ethnic or minority race (2005 Census).[7] According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the estimated Hispanic population of the United States is 42.7 million — 15% of the U.S. population.[7][8]

[Edited on 7-4-2011 by BajaNomad]

DENNIS - 7-3-2011 at 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Dennis it's obvious to anyone that reads your anti-Mexican rants that you have an anti-Mexican bias towards Mexicans where you often negatively stereotype them and lump them all together.



This is as far as I got into your post, Joe. You'll have to give us an example of your accusation before I go any further.
References please...in the words of PJC. Another of your favorite Gabachos.

DENNIS - 7-3-2011 at 03:17 PM

I can hear Joe sifting the archives. :biggrin:

Bajahowodd - 7-3-2011 at 03:58 PM

I've got a couple of observations.

1- Dennis has lived in Mexico for a long, long time. He is a citizen of the US, who could easily cross the border and not look back. But he still resides in Punta Banda. The idea that he has a major anti-Mexican bias does not hold water.

At least, in my opinion, Dennis represents the Greek chorus, not fearing to identify hypocricy and such.

2- Getting closer to the original posit of this thread, one need look no farther than Acapulco. Once among the few world-class international tourist destinations, it has in recent decades, become a major magnet for domestic tourism, just as foreign tourism has declined.

The toll road from Mexico City was probably the a major catalyst.

However, that said, among the major Mexican beach resorts countrywide, Acapulco draws the highest pecentage of domestic visitors.

Granted that Acapulco has a major advantage over a place such as Rosarito, just because of its proximity to such a large population base, but the concept is quite the same.

On the other side of the coin, given that such destinations as Cabo and Cancun have drawn an overwheming percentage of those "blue-eyed" tourists, by fundamentally catering to same in offering a more gringo-style experience, I would wonder if developing a more distinct Mexican ambience would further decrease the blue-eyed visitors.

DENNIS - 7-3-2011 at 04:14 PM

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On the other side of the coin, given that such destinations as Cabo and Cancun have drawn an overwheming percentage of those "blue-eyed" tourists, by fundamentally catering to same in offering a more gringo-style experience, I would wonder if developing a more distinct Mexican ambience would further decrease the blue-eyed visitors.


Thanks for the above, Howard. You're correct in your observation. I don't dislike anybody per se.
On the other hand, I sometimes have great trouble with what they do and how they act.
Joe knows this, but he's cranky today and trying his best to be a bonehead. Doing quite well at that, I must say.

I can't figure out what you mean by a "more distinct Mexican ambience." What would that be? What do they do that we don't do? I know there must be something, but I believe were closer than some would give us credit for being.
Cultural traits aside, what are our differences that are part of the tourism industry?

JESSE - 7-3-2011 at 04:23 PM

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Show me a Mexican National that hates Mexican-Americans, and I'll show you the same guy who hates white Americans more!


Jeeezo, Joe...you're a real spokesman for Peace, Love and Fish Tacos. Yeah....quite the ambassador.
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garachos" the pejorative term for Americans, and they usually have a colorful adjective that goes in front of the "G" word.


By the the way...GABACHO is spelled like this. If I have to be the target of your racist epithet, I'd prefer that you extend the dignity of proper spelling.

I'm surprised by your uncharacteristic vitriol, but I'll consider the time of day..night...morning which you chose for your heartfelt note.

I don't suppose you have much planned for the Fourth...do ya. Best that you save all your festive moods for a Viva La Raza parade or a US flag burning. You know....something near and dear to your black heart.



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The only thing I was pointing out that Mexican bigots who hate pochos often hate gabachos more.

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Thats utter caca de perro.