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WAS- Frontline in MulegeNOW chickens

willyAirstream - 7-9-2011 at 01:32 PM

Anyone know where I can buy Frontline in Mulege? ( c-ck fighting guy doesn't have it) Or anyone have any to spare? My dog and a rescued puppy have ticks to the max.

[Edited on 7-13-2011 by willyAirstream]

Brinloor - 7-9-2011 at 02:12 PM

The vet in Sta. Rosalia had 3 similar products, plus collars a couple of weeks ago.

Diver - 7-9-2011 at 02:15 PM

Here are a few home remedies you could try.

Vinegar
Vinegar has a smell and taste that ticks cannot stand, making it the perfect tick repellent. In a spray bottle, mix a solution of 2 cups water and 1 cup white vinegar or apple cider vinegar (either will work). Add in a few drops of your favorite essential oil for scent, then spray onto pets, clothing, skin, and even on the lawn. This will safely repel ticks without harming your family or home.

Citrus
Citrus scents also ward off ticks, and a citrus repellent can be easily made for just a few dollars. Bring 3 cups of water to a boil, then add a few sliced citrus fruits (oranges, lemons, limes, grapefruits--any combination will do). Let boil for one minute, then simmer on low heat for an hour. Take out the sliced fruits, and pour the remaining mixture through a strainer. Pour into a spray bottle, and spray directly onto clothing, pets and lawn. The acidic scent of citrus fruits work to repel both ticks and fleas, keeping your family free of these blood-sucking insects.

Peppermint
Peppermint also repels ticks and fleas, and a spray-on repellent can be made for just a few dollars. In a spray bottle, add 2 cups water and 20 drops of peppermint essential oil. Spray onto clothing, pets and around the lawn to keep ticks and fleas at bay. Alternately, crush a few peppermints and sprinkle throughout the lawn, or brew a pot of peppermint tea, strain into a spray bottle and use this as a spray-on repellent as well.

bajajudy - 7-9-2011 at 02:52 PM

If the vet in Sta Rosalia has Revolucion, go for it. also helps with heart worms.

shari - 7-9-2011 at 03:33 PM

I just bought a product like frontline at the vet in GN for ticks & fleas called something like Advantage or somepun...120 pesos

Bob and Susan - 7-9-2011 at 03:39 PM

we use revolution...

here in mulege

no ticks

DianaT - 7-9-2011 at 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by willyAirstream
Anyone know where I can buy Frontline in Mulege? ( c-ck fighting guy doesn't have it) Or anyone have any to spare? My dog and a rescued puppy have ticks to the max.

If you can get Frontline, try to get the Frontline Plus---it is better. And our vet told us that for the fleas, once every three months would be enough, but for ticks, once a month.

I hope you can get something for those ticks because they can carry such nasty diseases!

I have never heard of Revolution, but it sounds like a good one.

willyAirstream - 7-9-2011 at 04:29 PM

Thanks for the fast response everyone!, I didn't know there is a vet in Santa Rosalia. I'll go there asap and try one of Divers remedies tonight. Can someone tell me where the vet is located?
a 3 dog thank you!

Russ - 7-9-2011 at 04:40 PM

Doctors Cota, Father & Son, are on the last down street in SR and a bit above the funeral place on the opposite side of the street. They have/ had a groomer and that may a way to go.
615-152-1134 or 615-155-59194 ( I think)

Advantix????

bajaguy - 7-9-2011 at 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
I just bought a product like frontline at the vet in GN for ticks & fleas called something like Advantage or somepun...120 pesos

http://tinyurl.com/3bvker7

tiotomasbcs - 7-9-2011 at 05:42 PM

Amigo, buy some Boric Acid/powder, white powder, to spread around your property!! Revolution is the total project---fleas, ticks, heartworm! Let know if I can bring you some as I'm passing thru in a couple weeks. You must clean the area your dogs are in!! Daily swims in the Ocean also help. Thanks for giving me a heads up as I avoided a big problem there when headin south two weeks ago! Do Your best; stay Lubricated-Hydrated. :spingrin:

Tio

Mulegena - 7-9-2011 at 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
Doctors Cota, Father & Son, are on the last down street in SR and a bit above the funeral place on the opposite side of the street. They have/ had a groomer and that may a way to go.
615-152-1134 or 615-155-59194 ( I think)

Dr. Manuel Cota, the son, has a practice on Avenida Sarabia and Calle 7. Its in a blue house on the right hand side of the one-way street, just past the opposite corner appliance store (both signed).

The easiest way to get there is to come into town on the main drag, and turn left as soon as possible past Bancomer (2 cross-streets, Calle 9 I think). When you've made that turn go three cross-roads and turn left again onto Sarabia (which isn't signed I think). You should see the electronics store on your left (start looking for parking now) as Dr. Cota's business is on the right in about a half-block.

His personal cellphone is 044-615-155-9194.
He's ok with receiving calls on his cell, and he'll make an effort to speak English.
His office assistant and groomer is named Sonya. She doesn't speak English.
His dad no longer is in practice with him.

Remember, office is closed for the siesta which is when he does surgery.

btw, Hugo the guy at the Mulege grain store and chicken center may have something comparable.

baja1943 - 7-10-2011 at 05:30 AM

Tried them all, Revolution best by a mile

monoloco - 7-10-2011 at 05:46 AM

If your dogs have had a lot of ticks, you should have them tested for Ehrlichiosis, they can carry the disease for a long time before it manifests and it can become chronic. It is very common in Baja.

http://vetmedicine.about.com/od/glossaryterms/a/CW-Ehrlichio...

[Edited on 7-10-2011 by monoloco]

For those of you near a Walmart

mcfez - 7-10-2011 at 06:35 AM

We have five dogs here on the farm .....and going to the poor house with expenditures of meds! FYI:

Sams club and Walmart are offering Pet Armor Plus flea and tick preventive and claim it is the same as Frontline Plus, just less expensive.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Pet-Armor-Plus-45-88lb-3ct/1599215...

c/c from www.goldenretrieverforum.com
I'm a drug rep for an Animal Health company. It is the generic of Frontline Plus. You need only look at the active ingredients on the packaging to know. Merial patent for Frontline and Frontline Plus expired in March so there will be over 30 generics hitting the market.

It is just as safe and effective in the generic form. I should say I don't work for any of the companies in question. I have a degree in An. Science and was a veterinary technician prior. The main concern when a parasiticide goes generic like this is that a patent lasts 10 to 15 years. That being said, insects become resistant to them just like bacteria become resistant to antibiotics. Long before the patent ran out, we were starting to hear about problems with resistance in Frontline Plus, especially in endemic areas with lots of fleas and ticks. The product just isn't working as well as it used to.

I know that many people think there vet is only out to make money off of them, but there is a very good reason to go to your veterinarian for these things. They are up on the studies about resistance and what works best in your region. The other main reason is that you totally lose your guarantee of efficacy if you don't buy from a vet. All the major companies guarantee money back plus the cost of treatment if their product fails. And that isn't just for heartworm meds, ticks cause lyme disease, fleas cause anemia and tapeworms, and so many more.

I'd recommend a switch to a new product, with new ingredients, to avoid resistance problems. Vectra seems to be the big one because it has quick kill times and offers a form with permethrin or without. Permethin can bother some sensitive skin animals, so those can use Vectra, rather than Vectra 3D. Vectra 3D has the permethrin and Vectra does not.

There are others out there, like the Scalibor collar by Intervet/Schering-Plough. I never believed in these things until a "real" company came out with this one. I literally used to cut these off of patients in the clinic, put them in a baggie, and hand the cheap little pet store "rip off" to the client with a package of Frontline. But this has serious science behind it, and my hunting Golden wears just it as a sole flea and tick prevention. Two months, no fleas or ticks. I'm a believer.

On that, if your vet continues to do and use and prescribe the same thing for 20 years, that's not consistency, its a lack of continuing education and ability to change. we're putting pacemakers in our dogs these days...

Hope this helps.

willyAirstream - 7-11-2011 at 12:38 PM

Thanks again to all. I sprayed them with vinegar on Sat. and they didn't acquire anymore ticks! I was pulling off 50! ( and dropping them in alcohol) now only 3 or 4. May have to name the abandoned puppy "Pickle". I was spraying the property weekly, but now doing it daily till problem is solved. Need to spray the entire river road

Tio I'll take you up on your offer on your next trip norte. Still looking for boric acid, but I found AdvanTix (178 p) at the chicken/grain/dog food tienda, Hugo was there this time and he found a box that the kids, his clerks, hadn't seen. I'll get to the vet asap and have them checked. ( thanks for the detailed directions!)
Mousse , the lab, is happy to be swimming at the beach instead of walking along the river, being a tick magnet.
Thanks again!!

mcfez - 7-12-2011 at 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by willyAirstream
Thanks again to all. I sprayed them with vinegar on Sat. and they didn't acquire anymore ticks! I was pulling off 50! ( and dropping them in alcohol) now only 3 or 4. May have to name the abandoned puppy "Pickle". I was spraying the property weekly, but now doing it daily till problem is solved. Need to spray the entire river road

Not sure if this will work down there for you......we release all of our chickens here on the farm each day from 5 to 8. They clean up anything and every thing that has legs or wings!

Can you have chickens there....all they require is a fenced coop (from night time predators).

surfdoc - 7-12-2011 at 12:04 PM

Any more info on the Revolucion ??

Is it internal or dermal ? Approx cost ?? Sounds good. I'm using Comfortis on Mona and Jackson, but can afford it anymore.. damn expensive!

I used chickens while living in Lemon Grove, may try to get some Rhode Island Reds down after I make a dog pen behind my soon to be new casa !

mcfez - 7-12-2011 at 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by surfdoc
Any more info on the Revolucion ??

Is it internal or dermal ? Approx cost ?? Sounds good. I'm using Comfortis on Mona and Jackson, but can afford it anymore.. damn expensive!

I used chickens while living in Lemon Grove, may try to get some Rhode Island Reds down after I make a dog pen behind my soon to be new casa !

Now you know...leave those chickens in that coop fro 3 weeks...do not release. They learn that it's home. Then release...they will come back on their own own ...about a half hour before sunset :-) Very cool.

Two things...

Mulegena - 7-12-2011 at 07:07 PM

1) Just reread Airstreams' post about getting his dogs checked for ehrlichosis.
I don't believe that can be done in Santa Rosalia by Dr. Cota as he has no laboratory, but would treat an animal that came in with suspect symptoms which would include lethargy, weight loss, excessive bleeding. Treatment is about 3 weeks on Doxycycline. Better to wait until you return north to your regular vet or find a clinic in La Paz or Ensenada that has lab & ex-ray capabilities if you want to check on it now. The local vets do know the symptoms and can treat it empirically; the downside is you have to wait for symptoms to appear. The upside is that dogs that are otherwise in good health seem to resist the infection. Hope this helps a bit.
2) Secondly (and I'm hijackin' thread here) its about chickens.
We're thinking of getting a flock down here when we get the land secured.
Question: after habituating them to the henhouse like McFez says will they be inclined to fly when I turn 'em loose in the daytime? I think not, but we're not certain they won't go over the wall and move in with the neighbors.

willyAirstream - 7-12-2011 at 08:01 PM

Chickens - Hmm maybe the Jungle bar can raise some LOL, Probably not possible at the hotel. My dog is young and healthy, Rita seems fine and the lil puppy has a variety of problems, but is improving. I'll take the puppy to SR and Mousse can wait till I go North.
I changed the thread title - so no worries, let the chicken talk begin..
Thanks again

Mulegena - 7-12-2011 at 08:23 PM

Oh, thanks for morphing with the thread, and a BIG THANKS for looking after Rita and the new little one.
She's a sweetie and I think you are too!

mcfez - 7-12-2011 at 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by Mulegena
1) Just reread Airstreams' post about getting his dogs checked for ehrlichosis.
I don't believe that can be done in Santa Rosalia by Dr. Cota as he has no laboratory, but would treat an animal that came in with suspect symptoms which would include lethargy, weight loss, excessive bleeding. Treatment is about 3 weeks on Doxycycline. Better to wait until you return north to your regular vet or find a clinic in La Paz or Ensenada that has lab & ex-ray capabilities if you want to check on it now. The local vets do know the symptoms and can treat it empirically; the downside is you have to wait for symptoms to appear. The upside is that dogs that are otherwise in good health seem to resist the infection. Hope this helps a bit.
2) Secondly (and I'm hijackin' thread here) its about chickens.
We're thinking of getting a flock down here when we get the land secured.
Question: after habituating them to the henhouse like McFez says will they be inclined to fly when I turn 'em loose in the daytime? I think not, but we're not certain they won't go over the wall and move in with the neighbors.

Ah! Clip their wing feathers......clip off one inch of the tips...no fly. This procedure is harmless to the chicken (pain)

Sorry for hijack folks

Mulegena - 7-13-2011 at 08:07 AM

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Ah! Clip their wing feathers......clip off one inch of the tips...no fly. This procedure is harmless to the chicken (pain)

Sorry for hijack folks

Chicken Talk: I've had chickens before and one night I was out late and forgot to close their door. Next morning I got up for coffee and found them dancing' on the kitchen table! We can clip the wings, no problems, but do they grow back/must we repeat the procedure? Secondly, how 'bout chicken lice or other cooties chickens might be vulnerable to? Could these be transferred to the cats & dogs (or mesef')?
More Chicken Talk: I'd love to see real chickens at La Jungla. There's already plenty of roosters crowing there. I'm sure Lupe & Chispa would supply plenty of kitchen scraps.

Back to the Flea/Tick Talk: The stuff Shari bought it Guerrero Negro was Advantage, which targets fleas & their larva only, not ticks. She bought it for me, my two beautiful Siamese kittens actually. Its for dogs, cats and puppies at least 4 kilograms in weight. Since these babies are 3-1/2 month old kittens I put only a drop on each neck scruff (remember, cats will groom and lick the chemical). The next day there was no sign of a flea on either kitten and they've shown no ill-effect from the treatment. Very pleased!

Boric Acid: acido borico is probably known as "cal" and can be purchased at Ferreteria Yee in Mulege. Ask for Victor, speaks English, can explain how to use it. I think this is what the health department spreads all over town after the floods to prevent the growth of mosquitos & other nasties.

willyAirstream - 7-13-2011 at 08:18 AM

TickTalk -The Advantix i got says "garrapaticida" and is for para perros de mas de 25 kg. Only 2 drops on puppy, 6 on Rita, most of rest on Mousse. Seems to be working, still spraying with vinegar, with a touch of dill

Thx for the "cal" info!

Chic/talk - nothing to say, just wanted to use the sub heading

shari - 7-13-2011 at 08:20 AM

about those chickens....we had 13 chickens for a few years here and had to finally get rid of them because of the awful little chicken fleas....they were everywhere and did get on the cats and dogs...if you went into the coop, you would have dozens of em crawling up your legs....ewwww!!

it took a year to get rid of the pesky critters...not worth it in the end. The amount of eggs they laid did not surpass what we spent on chicken food....yes they ate all the compost but now my garden gets it. As much as I loved the chickens, they were a huge hassle and I'm glad they are gone.

and yes, the chickens can free range during the day and they will go back to their coop at sunset....but we couldnt keep them out of the garden...they totally trashed all plants and veggie gardens we had...grrr

Viking talk

mcfez - 7-13-2011 at 08:57 AM

:-)

The feathers will not grow back...

Keep the coop clean (wash out). We never had a issue with insect infestation, use of a solution of mint oil with water will run off any critter real fast . .....do keep the pets out of the coop.

If it gets to a point of smelly and or infestation...use diluted white vinegar and spray throughout. Works real quick.

BTW white vinegar will wipe out the smell of pet pee or bed wet....

[Edited on 7-13-2011 by mcfez]

Mulegena - 7-14-2011 at 08:07 AM

Tick Talk: garrapatacida will only kill ticks, called garrapatas as a play-on words "aggarar" to grab, "garra" a claw, and "pata" leg. That's how they make a living; they grab on an' dig in like a soldier in a foxhole. To deal with fleas and their larvae (which is transferred from an infested mom to babies or injested by a cat grooming itself) you need a pulga- and larvae- cida, too.

Chic Talk: Thanks for all the good info. I had no idea you could clip tips only once to keep 'em down on the farm permanent.

Didn't know that a simple vinegar solution was so effective, both for Ticks and Chicks!

Now, how 'bout c-ckroaches and flies and other nasties?

mulegemichael - 7-14-2011 at 08:33 AM

hey all!....if you can't find any of the above mentioned products locally, pure essential oil of lavender works just as good as anything....and it smells a lot better than vinegar!...the ticks will disappear.

Bajame - 7-14-2011 at 09:20 AM

Be careful with that frontline stuff my friend put it on her little dog and within a few hours it died. Must of been allergic to it.

willyAirstream - 7-14-2011 at 10:10 AM

and name the puppy Lavender or Mulegemichael ?

Or for a special treat
Easy Lavender Vinegar

1

Place 3 cups of red wine vinegar in a stainless steel saucepan.
2

Add 3 tbsp. of dried lavender buds, and bring the mixture to a boil.
3

Remove the saucepan from the heat and allow the lavender vinegar to steep for 15 minutes.
4

Strain the lavender vinegar and pour it into an airtight container.
5

Store the lavender vinegar in the refrigerator and use it for cooking.

Read more: How to Make Lavender Vinegar | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4486466_make-lavender-vinegar.html#i...

mcfez - 7-14-2011 at 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Bajame
Be careful with that frontline stuff my friend put it on her little dog and within a few hours it died. Must of been allergic to it.

Did your friend understand that Frontline comes in three different size doses? He/she MAY have used the large dog dose on the "little dog".

Testing for Ehrlichiosis

Marla Daily - 7-14-2011 at 06:00 PM

Testing for Ehrlichiosis is done with a SNAP test made by IDEXX. This 4-way test requires a drop of the dog's blood and the results are almost instant. It tests for presence of four parasitic diseases, the first two two of which are VERY PREVALENT Baja: Ehrlichiosis and Heartworm, along with Lyme disease and anaplasmosis.

Everyone should have their dogs tested!

Mulegena - 7-14-2011 at 09:06 PM

Thanks, Marla, for that good information about the Snap Test.

While you're here can you tell us a bit about the volunteer clinic that happens in Loreto, please?
A synopsis of the mission statement, contact information and schedule?

[Edited on 7-15-2011 by Mulegena]