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Shipping Household Goods W/O FM-3

Indy - 7-17-2011 at 04:41 PM

Hey BajaNomads!

What a great fourm. Happy to have found it!

Wondering if anyone has advise on shipping small boxes of household goods (2x2) without an FM-3?

I'm heading to the East Cape this winter and looking to ship about 10 (2x2) boxes of personal things and household goods. Didn't want to haul it all down with me on the drive, and it's probably too much to back into my Silverado (W/Shell) anyway w/o getting a trailer.

Most of the the shipping services I've looked into require that you have an FM3 in order to clear customs, even if you are just shipping a small number of boxes and not anything major.

Wondering if anywone has had any good experience just shipping small boxes via UPS or DHL, particularly to SJD or CSL?

Or even small independent haulers who make runs form San Diego?

Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated!

Indy

Edit:
Corrected the Typo-that's FM3.. Sounds like a radio station!


[Edited on 7-18-2011 by Indy]

Bob and Susan - 7-17-2011 at 05:21 PM

you do not need an fm3 to import

contact a freight forwarder in san diego

they import and arrange
the truck service to the delivery point

who ever gave you that info is incorrect

Indy - 7-17-2011 at 05:30 PM

Hi Bob and Susan,

Thanks for this quick reply!

Good news. I thought that sounded a bit fishy. What if you are just there for the winter on tourist visa? Which is precisely my case. Makes sense that it wouldn't be required.

Still wondering if anyone else has had any good experience with just shipping UPS or DHL to La Paz or San Jose or Cabo. I've always just hauled everything I've needed for a trip, so any feed back on this would be much appreciated!

Indy

ncampion - 7-17-2011 at 05:34 PM

Try these guys.

http://www.bajainsider.com/baja-business/bajaimportexportser...

Indy - 7-17-2011 at 05:41 PM

Super! Thanks for that!

Dave - 7-17-2011 at 05:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Indy
What if you are just there for the winter on tourist visa?


Then why would you need to bring all your stuff?

Simply pack the essential things in your car and drive it across.

Indy - 7-17-2011 at 05:56 PM

Hi Dave!

Well ten (2x2) boxes is actually not -all- my stuff....
...just the stuff that I will need for this trip!!!!!

I guess the short answer is that I plan on having some fun on the dirve down, and really don't want to be wieghted down (literally or figuratively) with a truck full of boxes, if you know what I mean. That's never any fun unless you're making a beeline.

So the essentials I'll bring in the truck with me and the rest I'd like to ship.

And you did nail me!

Even though I'm not a full time resident with an F3 I do have a casita in Baja and I'm slowly bringing personal stuff down to make it feel more like home and for the day I am here full time.

So yeah, maybe the tourist bit didn't apply ;)

Indy

karenintx - 7-17-2011 at 06:00 PM

I personally have not used "Mail Boxes Cabo" to ship anything but know several Americans that order things online then have them shipped to CSL/SJD. The company will notify you when the shipment arrives. One of my friends uses "MBC" to ship her medication from the USA. Worth sending an email to the American owner.

We use the discount coupons all the time with no problems. Everyone is very helpful that works in the store.



http://www.loscabosguide.com/mailboxescabo/index.html

DENNIS - 7-17-2011 at 06:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Indy
So yeah, maybe the tourist bit didn't apply ;)



That's pretty much how Immigration will see it if they know you have property down here. Best to not mention it to them.

Indy - 7-17-2011 at 06:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Indy
So yeah, maybe the tourist bit didn't apply ;)



That's pretty much how Immigration will see it if they know you have property down here. Best to not mention it to them.


Exactly!

Dave - 7-17-2011 at 06:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Indy

Even though I'm not a full time resident with an F3 I do have a casita in Baja and I'm slowly bringing personal stuff down to make it feel more like home and for the day I am here full time.

So yeah, maybe the tourist bit didn't apply ;)

Indy


Then you best get it done. Up around Ensenada and Rosarito you can get away with it but down south someone will rat you out. Then all your stuff will belong to someone else .

Indy - 7-17-2011 at 06:19 PM

Hi KareninTx!

Mail Boxes Cabo is definitely on my list. The people I know who've used them though have only shipped or received really small packages, like meds, sporting gear or things like that, but not larger boxes of stuff. So anywone with any personal experience with them shipping bigger boxes would be great to hear from.

I'm going to definatlely follow up with several of the Baja shipping importers in San Diego, and ignore the comment I got from the first one about the need for the F3, even though I saw that comment repeated several times on numerous websites! The one that ncampion recommeded looks good.

Up until this point I've always justed hauled what I needed, and that has never been much at any one single time, so this is the first time that I've had to dig into details on this. Glad I avoided the need until now!

Thanks again everyone for the feedback and tips!

Indy

Indy - 7-17-2011 at 06:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by Indy

Even though I'm not a full time resident with an F3 I do have a casita in Baja and I'm slowly bringing personal stuff down to make it feel more like home and for the day I am here full time.

So yeah, maybe the tourist bit didn't apply ;)

Indy


Then you best get it done. Up around Ensenada and Rosarito you can get away with it but down south someone will rat you out. Then all your stuff will belong to someone else .




Oh no! We can't have that!

I know people who've been in Baja for 20 years and still don't have an F3 or even a bank account! (LOL)

Old school Baja Bums!

Not that I'm suggesting that me be!

It's a different world now down south, and getting ratted out, like so many other things wouldn't surprise me.

Thanks for the heads up Dave!

Sounds like it's best to just haul your own stuff down in very small runs, super discreetly (like I have been) or do the F3 and ship it with and importer. I can see where tying to ship it down slowly any other way could be a nightmare.

Good food for thought...

Glad I'm not leaving until September!

Thanks everyone once again!

Indy

Loretana - 7-17-2011 at 06:47 PM

Indy,
I will not try to advise you on a shipping service, but I will suggest you make sure you list all the items that a particular box contains on the outside of the box, for example:

16 plates
24 wine glasses
8 placemats................etc, etc.

I personally believe you should take your own stuff with you, in the boxes, in your truck. Cross at Otay Mesa and declare what you have.

Remember, they LOVE paperwork at Aduana, so in addition to listing the contents on the outside of the box, make a list you can hand them as well, if you go that route.

If you use a shipper, they will want to see labelled boxes, and a list, as well.

Buena suerte!!

Indy - 7-17-2011 at 06:59 PM

Hola Loretana!

Excellent tip!

For sure that's the best way to go --espeically if you want the convenience of packing things in boxes. Else it all has to be done in stelth mode...which is not without risks.

Ah paerworks and lists!!
-- todo está en los detalles!

Saludos!

Indy

FM-3

bajaguy - 7-17-2011 at 08:08 PM

Hey, Indy.....why don't you get an FM-3 and avoid the possibility of a "rat-out"

Indy - 7-17-2011 at 09:20 PM

Hi Bajaguy!

You're right, I should....and I probably will at this point, just never really needed it until now.

And why do today what you can put off til tomorrow!!

Just remember that motto doesn't apply to doing the things we love though!

But serioulsy it may be time...

Indy

Hook - 7-17-2011 at 09:32 PM

Indy, you wouldnt be Canadian, by any chance, would you?

This sounds like what Canadians try to do, all the time, where I live. Most Americans moving here just accept the rules and pay the duty. Or, more often, they take their chances at the old red/green light and then are prepared to pay the piper.

You come on the board and immediately try and be dishonest with us about your situation.........save the dishonestly for Aduana, if you feel you must be.:rolleyes:

I have moved stuff down here under the previous "regime" of Aduana officials, as well as the current group and I am reluctant to give you any heads up, with this tact of yours.

Why lie to us here?

Sorry for the "tough talk"........well, not THAT sorry, really.:smug:



[Edited on 7-18-2011 by Hook]

Indy - 7-17-2011 at 10:12 PM

Hey Hook!

No worries, no need to apologize!

I appreciate you speaking your mind!
If I wasn't interested in and valued the opinions of the Nomads on this board I wouldn't be posting here!

And you're right, the time is now, as I said earlier in my replies to suggestions from Loretana and Bajaguy. So I do hear you!

That having been said, I do think it's a bit of a stretch to say that I was trying to come on board and be dishonest with you Nomads about my situation....

Discreet. Polite. Maybe.

Dishonest with you NO!

Not my intention.

That having been said...

Even if I own a home does not mean that I am a full time resident...and if I were just renting a house the question would still be valid. Can a tourist ship personal stuff to Mexico or do you need to be a resident with a FM3?

Don't want to split hairs on this, but just sayin.

Okay so now this is the point in this thread where I admit to it being MY BAD and bow down at your feet and beg for forgiveness!! :wow:

Indy



[Edited on 7-18-2011 by Indy]

Indy - 7-17-2011 at 10:27 PM

Oh and before I get scolded again maybe we should just bury this thread and put it to its grave!!

Lights out!

Indy

Edit: Before we turn out the lights, just want to say thank you to everyone once again!

[Edited on 7-18-2011 by Indy]

dtbushpilot - 7-18-2011 at 01:10 AM

Most people here are just trying to help, I'd hate to see some of the more "unsavory" Nomads chime in with a bunch of negative rhetoric....hopefully they won't.

We live down in Buena Vista part time. We always have a car load of stuff with us on our way down. We put the cases of wine and boxes of things for the house on the bottom and our traveling stuff on top. We are moving our stuff down a few boxes at a time, no problem.

We often have other places that we want to go on the way down and don't want to be loaded down with a bunch of stuff too so I feel your pain, we usually travel with a dog and 2 cats just to make it more challenging.

I recommend that you take the things that are the most important to you on this trip and save the rest for the next trip or two...or three....etc. Another thing to consider is how much of that stuff do you really need? How much of it is everyday stuff that you could replace in MX and maybe help the local economy?

The only reason I bring this up is that this is exactly what we are going through now. We have a mountain of boxes to move from our home in New Mexico to MX and after a year we don't even remember what we packed away....what we couldn't live without. I went through the boxes a couple of weeks ago and found several boxes worth of stuff that was pretty stupid to be importing and moving 2000 miles, things that could be replaced for a few bucks in MX.....time for a garage sale and a run to Goodwill.

My recommendation is to look your stuff over again, get rid of the plastic hangers and paper plates (I really did have that stuff packed in boxes) and take what you really need a little at a time....and don't let anybody keep you from posting on Nomads....the real Nomads are glad you are here......dt

Indy - 7-18-2011 at 06:30 AM

Hey Dtbushpilot !

Appreciate the kind words!

Sounds like our thoughts run parallel regarding shedding things down to be feather light. I laughed out loud regardng packing the paperplates! Yes, I've done that too at one point or another!

It feels good to say that I'm down to the real necessities. Mostly the things that just can't be replaced. The goal is to travel light, but as you know, sometimes it can be very challenging to do...even still my mantra is always "less is more".

New Mexico and Buena Vista-sounds like a great plan!

Thanks for the tips and the warm welcome!

Indy

karenintx - 7-18-2011 at 07:59 AM

We have used "Alister" to import/transport a gas stove, micro oven/hood, 52 inch HD/TV and a coffee table/trunk on two different occasions. We had to provide copies of the sale receipt but NEVER have we been asked "do you have a FM 2/3, do you own/rent, are you living/visiting in Mexico full or part time"...they do not care. All they want is to know what is in the boxes, and yes they will look. After that they just want your money. On both occasions our items were delievered to our condo within one week with no dents/scratches.

Indy, you probably already figured this out...best to call the company you plan to deal with. They will know the "true" in's and out's of the Mexican Customs...after all that is why they are in the business.

Good Luck

[Edited on 7-18-2011 by karenintx]

DENNIS - 7-18-2011 at 08:01 AM

No need to go underground, Indy. You seem to roll with the punches pretty well. Stick around. This place is a wealth of info.......especially after you learn to seperate the wheat from the scheisse.

Indy - 7-18-2011 at 08:28 AM

Thanks guys.

Dennis I appreciate the pat on the back (LOL)!

The positive follow-up is much apprecicated!

Karenintx the personal referral of "Alister" was exactly the sort of referral I was looking for. First hand personal experience. Thank you.

After all, shipping the items (AND paying whatever fees invoved) is really my first choice. I just got thrown a curve when the first importer I spoke with asked for the FM3, and then I noticed -so many others- that I found online were asking for the same thing in their posted FAQs. I just couldn't imagine this was so. Which is why I posted the question here, becuase everyone that I know persoanlly who has shipped boxes of things actually has an FM3, so they were not the best resource to turn to. Everyone else just hauls it down persoanally, in all of the previously discussed manners of doing so. But things change and it would not have surprised me if this were actually the case now. So short of calling customs myself to verify... I turned to the Nomads.

But in the end it's true, best to work out these types of details with the shipping companies direct, even if you have to weed through and eliminate serveal in the process. That's why they are in the business.

Quickly learning to sort the wheat from the scheisse!

Indy

bajabass - 7-18-2011 at 08:30 AM

What DT said times two. Over a period of time I moved all my essentials down, a little or a lot at a time. When I was finally able to leave California for good, I had a 20ft open trailer and a Tundra bed full of the final load. Every load went in, red light/green light, at SY.
I paid duty only twice, less than 200 bucks total. Every time I was checked, Aduana only cared about their duty $'s, not imm. status.
I was sent back twice, too many DVDs, and too much of my wife's clothes and shoes. No wife present, no womens clothing. No more than 10 DVDs, or 30 CDs. Red lighted a few times, pulled in, they would look at a few things, pet the collie, and adios.

Dave - 7-18-2011 at 09:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
If you had an FM3 or FM2, you'd get a one-time tax-free importation of household & personal items.


I understand the menaje de casa program has been terminated.

elizabeth - 7-18-2011 at 11:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by karenintx
We have used "Alister" to import/transport

[Edited on 7-18-2011 by karenintx]


Thanks for the information...but, can you expand on who/what is Alister? Contact information?

Katiejay99 - 7-18-2011 at 12:50 PM

Regardless of our immigration status, all Mexico wants is that anything brought into the country, which is destined to stay, is properly imported/duties paid. Punto.

I have brought a lot of stuff across the border. I box it, I label it, I prepare a list in Spanish and English with a note as to which box (they are numbered) the stuff is located in. I always stop and declare and I always pay the duty/import fee.

The fact of whether or not you are a visa holder is irrelevant, it all has to do with the proper payment of duty. That is why it is illegal to sell a vehicle which has not been imported.

The menaje de casa was implemented to help FM3 holders bring in household goods duty free (non-imported) because they were assumed to be for the home they own and not brought in to re-sell.

Even used items are charged a duty. I recently returned with a truck load of personal stuff, all of it for me and all of it used. I declared and paid the proper fees. They never asked for my status because that was not relevant.

Hook - 7-18-2011 at 01:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
If you had an FM3 or FM2, you'd get a one-time tax-free importation of household & personal items.


I understand the menaje de casa program has been terminated.


I dont know about that, but even when it was in existence, you had to use an importer which was often more expensive than just paying the tax. Yes, you did hear about the occasional exceptions, as with all "rules" in Mexico.

Call me foolish, but we just made up our lists and assigned garage sale pricing to everything (it was all "used", after all) and just paid the 17% or whatever it is. We went straight to the declare line. They never even came out to the truck and 14 foot trailer to look at the stuff or question our evaluations. Apparently we were small potatoes.

Once you figure out how much it would cost to buy things like outdoor furniture, many appliances, etc., IN MEXICO, it seems almost ridiculous to haggle over 17%. Especially since the used valuations are probably 1/4 of what you originally paid for them. You will pay WAY more, trying to buy this stuff new in Mexico.

All the nervousness is gone, too. We just looked em in the eye and said, "here's what we got". Maybe it was our relative honesty, compared to others, that convinced them there was no need to check our load.

This occurred during the first two weeks of the famous changeover of Aduana agents at the border. They were young and had laptops to check evaluations, if they felt it necessary.

Hook - 7-18-2011 at 01:23 PM

Long legs, I appreciate your support, but I have been known to be a bit of a burr under the saddle, at times. Everyone here, knows that.

I cant really recall doing anything UNSAVORY, though. DISHONESTY is unsavory, in my book. That's why I got hot at the OP.

I'm also pretty thick-skinned so I'm not easily offended.

It would be much worse if this incident cost us YOUR participation on the board; rather than another ding to MY reputation.:smug:

[Edited on 7-18-2011 by Hook]

Roberto - 7-18-2011 at 02:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Long legs, I appreciate your support, but I have been known to be a bit of a burr under the saddle, at times. Everyone here, knows that.


You? I'm shocked to hear this. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hook - 7-18-2011 at 03:01 PM

I will stand down, in deference to the entrance of the Papa Burr, Roberto. :P:P:lol::lol:

Roberto - 7-18-2011 at 03:15 PM

Now THAT'S funny. :lol:

dtbushpilot - 7-18-2011 at 05:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Quote:
Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Most people here are just trying to help, I'd hate to see some of the more "unsavory" Nomads chime in with a bunch of negative rhetoric....hopefully they won't.

We live down in Buena Vista part time. We always have a car load of stuff with us on our way down. We put the cases of wine and boxes of things for the house on the bottom and our traveling stuff on top. We are moving our stuff down a few boxes at a time, no problem.

We often have other places that we want to go on the way down and don't want to be loaded down with a bunch of stuff too so I feel your pain, we usually travel with a dog and 2 cats just to make it more challenging.

I recommend that you take the things that are the most important to you on this trip and save the rest for the next trip or two...or three....etc. Another thing to consider is how much of that stuff do you really need? How much of it is everyday stuff that you could replace in MX and maybe help the local economy?

The only reason I bring this up is that this is exactly what we are going through now. We have a mountain of boxes to move from our home in New Mexico to MX and after a year we don't even remember what we packed away....what we couldn't live without. I went through the boxes a couple of weeks ago and found several boxes worth of stuff that was pretty stupid to be importing and moving 2000 miles, things that could be replaced for a few bucks in MX.....time for a garage sale and a run to Goodwill.

My recommendation is to look your stuff over again, get rid of the plastic hangers and paper plates (I really did have that stuff packed in boxes) and take what you really need a little at a time....and don't let anybody keep you from posting on Nomads....the real Nomads are glad you are here......dt
dt, your post really surprised me....since when did Hook get classified as an "unsavory" Nomad and/or anything less than a "real" Nomad? :?::?:

There are a great number of Nomads who choose to respect the laws of our adopted country....the country a great number of us call home, yet we still recognize we're here as guests. I'm one of those whose moral compass points the same direction as Hook's does. dt, I agree with your suggestions to Indy to lighten his load, but I don't feel it's right nor fair to encourage people who are unfamiliar with Customs & Immigration rules to attempt to flaunt or circumvent the laws of our host country.

Indy, for what it's worth, karenintx has provided good & factual information....& best of all, it's legal! No worries about what it might cost you when you get a red light & they empty your vehicle out looking for undeclared items. If you had an FM3 or FM2, you'd get a one-time tax-free importation of household & personal items. Entering on an FMM, legally you're required to take everything you brought in with you out when you leave. Also, in my experience, you'll have greater success going with an importer than attempting to ship personal items via DHL.

dt, it's because of crap like your throwing Hook (yeah, he lives on the mainland, but so what? He's earned my respect through his posts for many years) under the bus that I won't be posting here in the foreseeable future....the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. IMO, your comments were out of line & you owe Hook an apology.

Kudos to Indy for finally stating that you want to import your possessions legally!

Indy, I apologize for a semi-hijack unrelated to this particular thread, and certainly another trigger for my future absence is I don't want to be a part of a group where intelligent & extremely knowledgeable, civil & respectful posters like oldlady are banned while rude, crude instigators like Goat & Joe are allowed to remain & continue to make personal attacks & spew hatred & sewage.



Wow legs, perhaps I could get you to re-read my opening statement. I never said that the unsavory Nomads had posted anything, I said that I hope they won't.....my only comment about the current replies was that most people here were just trying to help......dt

[Edited on 7-19-2011 by dtbushpilot]

Indy - 7-19-2011 at 12:16 PM

Wow, the thread that wouldn't die!

Are we all happy campers now?

Hope So!

In what I hope will be the last post on this thread... (Ojalá!!)

I'd like to thank everyone once again for their time, help and insight.
After weeding through many, I have finally secured a shipper, who seems reliable, safe and reasonably priced (including import fees), all without the need for an FM-3. Seems some shippers -are- only handling FM-3 customers, hence the early feedback that I received which prompted the post.

Once my things successfully arrive in September I'll report back my on my experience for anyone else looking to ship and for a shipper.

Until then, graias y suerte a todos...
... y dejen de pelear!


Indy

Happy Thank You More Please!

bajatravelergeorge - 7-19-2011 at 04:54 PM

Its pretty simple. FM3, one time shipment with no duty. Everything else, pay the duty. So save the FM3 for when you are really bringing the big stuff.

bajaguy - 7-19-2011 at 05:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajatravelergeorge
Its pretty simple. FM3, one time shipment with no duty. Everything else, pay the duty. So save the FM3 for when you are really bringing the big stuff.





Other posters have indicated that the FM-3 exemption is no longer available.

Additionally, As Indy said...."Even though I'm not a full time resident with an F3 I do have a casita in Baja and I'm slowly bringing personal stuff down to make it feel more like home and for the day I am here full time."........

I think that Indy needs to get an FM-2 or FM-3 as it appears he is not a "tourist", buit a "part time" resident.