BajaNomad - My Experience with Mexico's Socialized Medicine

My Experience with Mexico's Socialized Medicine

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 02:49 PM

For the last two years, I've counted on Mexico's public health care system called Seguro Popular, a government-sponsored program of universal health care coverage. The first year I was enrolled, we paid about $70 for a year's coverage for our family of five. For some reason, this year's and next year's coverage fees have been waived by the Federal Government.

Until about three weeks ago, I had never needed this coverage personally. That changed recently when I hurt my back in a moment of carelessness and managed to pinch my sciatic nerve. The result was intense pain in my left rump and leg. The pain was much worse at night, so getting rest during my regular sleeping hours was near impossible.

After trying to tough it our for several days, swallowing whatever pain meds we had on hand, my wife convinced me to see a doctor. So one morning we left for the local Centro de Salud for a consultation. We arrived at 0745 to take a number and wait to see the doctor. During the process, I had two x-rays taken of my lower back and I was prescribed some pain pills, muscle relaxants and vitamin shots. We were out of there by 1000 and were charged nothing for the consult and x-rays.

After a week of showing little improvement, we went back, saw another doctor who gave me a referral to see a trauma specialist at the Salvatierra Hospital. We went there yesterday and I was given an appointment to see the specialist on August 11th.
Although I don't know what the final outcome will be, I'm beginning to recover, the pain is less, and at times I'm able to get four hours of sleep between painful wakeups. But I'll still see the specialist since the doctor who attended me expressed concern for one of my lower lumbar vertebrae.

All the medication prescribed would be free if they had it in stock. But, things being what they are, such isn't the case and we've had to pay around $50 dollars out-of-pocket for about half of it. Even so, I feel totally satisfied with the care I've received so far.

I mention this because for the past several years the enrollment period for Seguro Popular medical coverage has been at the end of summer. This is an excellent program for those with limited financial resources and would be a good backup plan for others, too. One need only have an FM3 or FM2 to qualify.

I'm fascinated by the fact that a poor country like Mexico can finance such a program, yet in the US this is seen as "socialism" by many, and therefore, undesirable.

elgatoloco - 7-30-2011 at 03:05 PM

Glad to hear your experience.

re: Sciatica. I have found relief thru a combination of weight loss,stretching,massage,chiropractic,acupuncture and tequila. Not necessarily in that order. Some of the above is covered by our outrageuosly expensive Anthem US insurance although still trying to get doc to prescribe two ounces 100% blue agave every PM to no avail. Sciatica is a 'symptom' so you should check out that vertebrae for sure. My 5th lumbar slides back and P-nches the nerve.

twarnt - 7-30-2011 at 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
This is an excellent program for those with limited financial resources and would be a good backup plan for others, too. One need only have an FM3 or FM2 to qualify.

...and absolutely no pre-existing conditions, or they will not accept you into the plan.

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
I'm fascinated by the fact that a poor country like Mexico can finance such a program, yet in the US this is seen as "socialism" by many, and therefore, undesirable.

It is not socialized medicine. You pay an annual insurance fee. No different than an HMO or PPO plan in the US. It's just cheaper because the level of services are very low. As you discovere, they are out of medicines most of the time.

You should have been prescribed some anit-inflammatory medicines to reduce the swelling and pressure on the sciatic nerve. That is what is causing the pain.

Oddjob - 7-30-2011 at 03:28 PM

Just don't get seriously injured or have any life threatening illness or any other condition that requires emergency care. You'll be wishing that you were in the states while you are getting your substandard treatment in Mexico. Free and or cheap means nothing when you are dying.

DavidE - 7-30-2011 at 03:32 PM

As an unwilling "expert" in the subject of sciatica, I can vouch for the Rx regimen I am taking:

NIMESULIDE: 200mg. BID
TRAMADOL: 100mg QID
PARACETAMOL: 1000mg QID
PREDNISONE 15mg./ day

So-called muscle relaxers do not work on me. I am taking amitriptylene 50 mg. at bed time three days in a row, then stop amitriptylene for one night and substitute with Valium (diazepam) 10 mg.

Slowly but surely I am recovering. Day before yesterday I was able to hobble for the first time without the walker, distances ranging to 50 feet. But then I regress for a day or so. Today I need the walker.

A kindly tipster on this forum pointed out TRAMADOL to me which is is OTC and available at Similares. 100 mg. worked better than three TYLEX codeine capsules!

Now if I can only get my grubby hands on a bottle of DMSO, and see if I can undo those knots of muscle in my back around the number 4 disc I may yet be stowing that danged walker.

wessongroup - 7-30-2011 at 03:38 PM

Glad to hear it's a bit better....

Time will help along with not pushing to hard getting back up ... take it slow.. once bitten .. it never goes away...

Best wishes ....

rts551 - 7-30-2011 at 03:54 PM

Glad to hear this. I have had nothing but good reports about this service.

Sorry that the folks who have had no experience immediately attack. Thay probably have some other agenda.

Dave - 7-30-2011 at 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
So-called muscle relaxers do not work on me. I am taking amitriptylene 50 mg. at bed time three days in a row, then stop amitriptylene for one night and substitute with Valium (diazepam) 10 mg.

Amitriptyline is an antidepressant. Why would you be taking this as a substitute for muscle relaxer?

Please don't take this the wrong way but I'd expect that many of your symptoms could be alleviated simply by losing weight. Even 10 lbs can make a big difference. Two years ago I dropped 30 lbs and my back problems magically disappeared.

TMW - 7-30-2011 at 04:20 PM

It is good that you are receiving medical treatment that helps you and I hope it continues to your benefit. But as some here want to compare the medical in the US to Mexico lets be fare. Someone has to pay for it, it's not free. basically the US system is set up on a pay as you go type system thru insurance companies. As many third world companies go it can't be done that way so the government must do it. No one in his right mind can seriously compare the medical treatments available in Mexico to those in the US. I'm not trying to put down the good work the Mexican medical people do but they are handicaped and with out the generious help mostly from the US their work would be a disaster.

[Edited on 7-30-2011 by TW]

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by elgatoloco
Glad to hear your experience.

re: Sciatica. I have found relief thru a combination of weight loss,stretching,massage,chiropractic,acupuncture and tequila. Not necessarily in that order. Some of the above is covered by our outrageuosly expensive Anthem US insurance although still trying to get doc to prescribe two ounces 100% blue agave every PM to no avail. Sciatica is a 'symptom' so you should check out that vertebrae for sure. My 5th lumbar slides back and p-nches the nerve.

I've got the weight loss aspect down pat. The meds seem to kill my appetite and I've lost around 10 pounds. My wife has been good with the hot compresses and massages. I've also gone to a "well-back" clinic for the treatment they offer. Interestingly, on the days I've been off meds, I've tried the tequila cure but that seems to only magnify the pain. At least, that is how it has seemed. I do miss my evening shot or two.

Eli - 7-30-2011 at 04:45 PM

Tripper, sorry to hear about the tweaked back. As You are getting ready for a long journey in the car, this cannot be good.
No matter what meds you are taking besides that Rest & Ice are great anti inflammatory, that and gentle stretching, laying flat on the floor with your butt up against the legs of a kitchen chair and your leg extended up with the lower part of the leg resting on the chair seat, hope you get my picture, I also use an eye pillow and medative music to help me relax, I really like Tibetan buddhist chanting and flute, it really helps me to calm and focus on what ails me, even just 1o minutes at a time. I have used these simple ideas with wonderful success. Also, I have an acupuncturist in Los Barriles who has worked miracles on my back and knee.
Loosing weight in my case is a big contributor to feeling better, and is a continuous struggle for me. Ah, but unless you have gone thru some BIG changes the last few years, the little I know of you, this would not be an issue, as I recall you are built slender like your Mom.
I am glad to hear you feel good about the medical treatment you have received, that is all any of us can hope for no matter where we are or who we go see. If it works for you, it is the right thing to do.

DENNIS - 7-30-2011 at 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
The first year I was enrolled, we paid about $70 for a year's coverage for our family of five.

Really???? That much?????? I wonder who's paying for the rest since taxation may be on the books in Mex, but little is paid into it.

By the way....doesn't it bother you to be a leech on society? You know gawwwdammm well your 70 chickensheitt dollars won't cover your bills.

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[Edited on 7-30-2011 by DENNIS]

Roberto - 7-30-2011 at 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
As an unwilling "expert" in the subject of sciatica, I can vouch for the Rx regimen I am taking:

NIMESULIDE: 200mg. BID
TRAMADOL: 100mg QID
PARACETAMOL: 1000mg QID
PREDNISONE 15mg./ day

So-called muscle relaxers do not work on me. I am taking amitriptylene 50 mg. at bed time three days in a row, then stop amitriptylene for one night and substitute with Valium (diazepam) 10 mg.

Slowly but surely I am recovering. Day before yesterday I was able to hobble for the first time without the walker, distances ranging to 50 feet. But then I regress for a day or so. Today I need the walker.

A kindly tipster on this forum pointed out TRAMADOL to me which is is OTC and available at Similares. 100 mg. worked better than three TYLEX codeine capsules!

Now if I can only get my grubby hands on a bottle of DMSO, and see if I can undo those knots of muscle in my back around the number 4 disc I may yet be stowing that danged walker.

Under medical supervision or doctor's orders, I hope? Paracetamol is Tylenol, tramadol an opiate agonist that is habit froming, nimeluside and NSAID that carries significant risk of liver damage and other problems, and has been withdrawn in several countries due to those risks. I ask because knowing you as I do, I'm thinking it's 50-50 or better that you are self-medicating.

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by TW
Someone has to pay for it, it's not free. basically the US system is set up on a pay as you go type system thru insurance companies. [Edited on 7-30-2011 by TW]

You're right, of course. But, in my opinion, health care shouldn't be a "for profit" industry any more than should prisons. The only purpose of having insurance companies involved in health care is to generate profits for shareholders. They serve no other purpose. But the might of the dollars that the industry's lobbiests in Congress spread around makes it difficult to break the cycle as our government (both parties) has been bought and paid for. The nation is run for the exclusive benefit of those who have at the expense of the rest of us.

This is best demonstrated by how some major corporations (GE comes to mind) pay no taxes, and indeed, get rebates. Let's remember that the wealthy had to pay 90 percent in the years following WWII--which was also one of the most progressive periods in US history. Now they think that 39 or 35 percent tax rate is an outrage.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken we're the only industrialized nation on Earth that doesn't have universal health care.

And, contrary to popular belief, we do indeed have socialized medicine in our nation. While in the military, I made extensive use of their socialized medicine and now, as a military retiree , I enjoy the Tricare benefit, which costs around $400/year for family coverage. Medicare is another fine example of socialized medicine. Add to that the medical coverage members of congress enjoy for life, and one must wonder when the public at large will get fed up of paying for insurance company profits. Our system is nothing to be proud of. If Mexico can do this for its people, I can't accept that the richest nation on Earth can't.

Study after study have shown the benefits of early treatment of health issues, yet our system doesn't allow for that. We all pay in the form of contageous diseases going untreated.

A society is only as strong as its weakest link.

[Edited on 7-31-2011 by Bajatripper]

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
The first year I was enrolled, we paid about $70 for a year's coverage for our family of five.

Speaking of leeches on society, do you really want to go there, Dennis? I remember what your "disability story" is. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

This is the only response I will allow myself to your jabs. You aren't worth any more efforts. Have a good one, dennis.

[Edited on 7-31-2011 by Bajatripper]

jakecard - 7-30-2011 at 05:08 PM

Oh, dear. Looks like this one has "struck a nerve!"

I know, too easy, but I couldn't resist.

Jake

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Eli
Tripper, sorry to hear about the tweaked back. As You are getting ready for a long journey in the car, this cannot be good.
No matter what meds you are taking besides that Rest & Ice are great anti inflammatory, that and gentle stretching, laying flat on the floor with your butt up against the legs of a kitchen chair and your leg extended up with the lower part of the leg resting on the chair seat, hope you get my picture, I also use an eye pillow and medative music to help me relax, I really like Tibetan buddhist chanting and flute, it really helps me to calm and focus on what ails me, even just 1o minutes at a time. I have used these simple ideas with wonderful success. Also, I have an acupuncturist in Los Barriles who has worked miracles on my back and knee.
Loosing weight in my case is a big contributor to feeling better, and is a continuous struggle for me. Ah, but unless you have gone thru some BIG changes the last few years, the little I know of you, this would not be an issue, as I recall you are built slender like your Mom.
I am glad to hear you feel good about the medical treatment you have received, that is all any of us can hope for no matter where we are or who we go see. If it works for you, it is the right thing to do.

Eli
Thanks for the well wishes. I know full well the position you mention as that was the only way I could get any relief in the first week--and I've never been able to fall asleep on my back before this incident.

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by jakecard
Oh, dear. Looks like this one has "struck a nerve!"

I know, too easy, but I couldn't resist.

Jake

Stick around, newbie, and you, too, will come to "appreciate" our grumpy old man living at Punta Banda. He can be one of the most our best purveyors of information or one of the most vicious tyrants you'll ever come across. Definitely a split-personality disorder. I think it has something to do with how much tequila he's ingested before lighting up the keyboard.

DENNIS - 7-30-2011 at 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Speaking of leeches on society, do you really want to go there, Dennis? I remember what your "disability story" is. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

No!!! Go there. Be my guest.

My disability with the Veterans Administration is for unresolved mental issues in combat situations while in the employ of the United States government. Being held prisoner in a room with the end of a rifle held to my head for eight hours while being told of my upcoming end. Over and over.

You, Air Boy, couldn't handle that.

I couldn't either, so go ***k yourself.

DanO - 7-30-2011 at 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by elgatoloco
Matteo, allow me to put them in the proper order: tequila, massage, tequila, weight loss, tequila, massage, tequila, stretching, tequila, massage, tequila, chiropractic, tequila, massage, and (meh) acupuncture.

rts551 - 7-30-2011 at 05:21 PM

Take your meds Dennis. You have lived off the good will of Mexico too long.

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Speaking of leeches on society, do you really want to go there, Dennis? I remember what your "disability story" is. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Not being a leech

Ricardo - 7-30-2011 at 05:21 PM

Nobody should feel bad , or feel like a leech, If 1000 people all pay $70 but only 20 need medical help then the other 980 help pay the bill, Just like a Insurance company.
Rick

rts551 - 7-30-2011 at 05:26 PM

This does bring up an interesting issue. Dennis, nor I, pay a lot of taxes (in Mexico). yet we use a lot of services (roads, police, emergency medical etc). Instead of complaining, have we wondered when the golden goose may quit laying? Are the taxation laws going to change where we will pay more?

edm1 - 7-30-2011 at 05:30 PM

Steve, I'm a little relieved your back situation is improving and it sounds like there's progress in its diagnosis and treatment. What I'm concerned about is your upcoming long drive with Nikki to the US (Cali, AZ, Washington, etc.). That Aug 11 Dr appt sounds like it interferes with original plans. Please let Nora and me know if there's something we can do for you, besides praying for your speedy recovery. Thanks again for driving us around La Paz during our recent visit despite of your back problem.

Art

[Edited on 7-31-2011 by edm1]

Oddjob - 7-30-2011 at 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
Glad to hear this. I have had nothing but good reports about this service.

Sorry that the folks who have had no experience immediately attack. Thay probably have some other agenda.

So you know that I have had no experience with Mexican healthcare? You must have a gift to be able to say that when you don't have a clue as to who I am and what I have been thru. There are many fine doctors in Baja, however the system is that of a third world country and anyone who compares it to the US is a fool.

mcfez - 7-30-2011 at 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Speaking of leeches on society, do you really want to go there, Dennis? I remember what your "disability story" is. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Being an Vet.....
I salute you DENNIS. Sorry to hear about your nightmare ordeal.

elgatoloco - 7-30-2011 at 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by DanO

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I am starting the regimen NOW, but only every other. The rest will have to wait. :biggrin:

BajaGringo - 7-30-2011 at 06:23 PM

Cristina and I both signed up and we pay zero - nada. We do go to local, private doctors for just regular, everyday stuff like my BP medication, back aches, etc. Even paying out of pocket it's quick, cheap and easy.

We mainly keep the seguro popular as a backup for catastrophic care type needs...

rts551 - 7-30-2011 at 06:37 PM

Dennis. sorry to hit such a sore point. I was only pointing out we don't pay nearly enough in taxes to pay for what we receive.

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by rts551
This does bring up an interesting issue. Dennis, nor I, pay a lot of taxes (in Mexico). yet we use a lot of services (roads, police, emergency medical etc).

You are overflowing with *****, Ralph. I pay as much tax as anybody else here does. My rent is taxed....my gas is taxed...my phone is taxed and every ******** thing I buy in the stores is taxed, ****************************************.

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[Edited on 7-31-2011 by BajaNomad]

rts551 - 7-30-2011 at 06:59 PM

Seems odd, that you didn't relay any facts about your healthcare experience while living in Mexico. but please tell us what happened so we can compare.

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Originally posted by Oddjob

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Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by twarnt

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...and absolutely no pre-existing conditions, or they will not accept you into the plan.

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I received no screening for any preexisting medical conditions, so you are wrong there. And it is most certainly socialized, as the brunt of the bill, as Dennis has so kindly pointed out, is paid for by the Mexican government, i.e. society. Much like my Tricare coverage in the US.

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by edm1
Steve, I'm a little relieved your back situation is improving and it sounds like there's progress in its diagnosis and treatment. What I'm concerned about is your upcoming long drive with Nikki to the US (Cali, AZ, Washington, etc.). That Aug 11 Dr appt sounds like it interferes with original plans. Please let Nora and me know if there's something we can do for you, besides praying for your speedy recovery. Thanks again for driving us around La Paz during our recent visit despite of your back problem.

Art

[Edited on 7-31-2011 by edm1]

Hey Art. I've really enjoyed your trip reports on your just-concluded vacation and am glad all went well on your return trip. It was a pleasure to share our little corner of Baja with you and Nora. You are most welcome at our place any time.

With the right meds, the problem is bearable, so I don't think it will interfere too much with the drive up--but thanks for your concern just the same. Give my best to Nora and take care,
Steve

BajaGringo - 7-30-2011 at 07:35 PM

There were no questions or examination for preexisting conditions for either of us when signing up for the seguro popular...

Roberto - 7-30-2011 at 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
Take your meds Dennis. You have lived off the good will of Mexico too long.

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Speaking of leeches on society, do you really want to go there, Dennis? I remember what your "disability story" is. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Look. I have had my (very public) nasty exchanges with Dennis, and I can certainly agree that he can be a total prick. But, this one is off limits and out of bounds. My very gentle suggestion is this, unless you've been there, done that STFU on this one. And if you have, I'm sure you won't need me to say anything at all.

And, while we're on the topic, have you served? In anything close to the situation Dennis just described? Somehow, I doubt it.

[Edited on 7-31-2011 by Roberto]

Roberto - 7-30-2011 at 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
I received no screening for any preexisting medical conditions, so you are wrong there. And it is most certainly socialized, as the brunt of the bill, as Dennis has so kindly pointed out, is paid for by the Mexican government, i.e. society. Much like my Tricare coverage in the US.

There is a difference, right? Unless you served in the Mexican military. Tricare IS for Military, right?

Just curious - how do you feel about people getting Social Security disability or other, or Medicare and Medicaid in the U.S. if they immigrated recently? Is this a similar situation to yours?

Ricardo - 7-30-2011 at 09:19 PM

According to the site www.internationalliving.com, health care in Mexico is described as very good to excellent while being highly affordable, with every medium to large city in Mexico having at least one first-rate hospital. In fact, some California insurers sell health insurance policies that require members to go to Mexico for health care where costs are 40% lower.[44] Some of Mexico's top-rate hospitals are internationally accredited.[45] Americans, particularly those living near the Mexican border, now routinely cross the border into Mexico for medical care

Roberto - 7-30-2011 at 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by Ricardo
According to the site www.internationalliving.com, health care in Mexico is described as very good to excellent while being highly affordable, with every medium to large city in Mexico having at least one first-rate hospital. In fact, some California insurers sell health insurance policies that require members to go to Mexico for health care where costs are 40% lower.[44] Some of Mexico's top-rate hospitals are internationally accredited.[45] Americans, particularly those living near the Mexican border, now routinely cross the border into Mexico for medical care

You've been to Mexico? :lol:

With some exceptions, medical care in mexico is 3rd-world standard. Go into some clinic in some little town sometime. For that matter, go visit IMSS in Ensenada, or the IMSS hospital in TJ. Then, compare to ANY hospital in San Diego. Go to the VA in La Jolla, Sharp, Scripps, whatever. Let us know what you find.

Of course, there are some great doctors there. But that's IN SPITE of the system, not because of it. But, to each his own. I can tell you that I have to be dying in the next 30 minutes not to try and get back to the states in case of serious illness or injury.

[Edited on 7-31-2011 by Roberto]

Ricardo - 7-30-2011 at 09:37 PM

Hey I'm just quoting some info from a US source. sort of liking casting a lure and see who bites, Got two in the boat already. LOL

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto

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I'm not sure I understand your reference to the Mexican military. I'm a US military retiree, but don't use Tricare when I'm south of the border.

I have no problem with people getting social security or other benefits, if they qualify for them. With all of the corruption and scamming that goes on in the upper reaches of our economy, I don't sweat the limited benefits the "little people" are able to squeeze out of the system. Many of the politicans who focus on that are merely trying to distract us from the real crooks that live among us. I've known a lot of immigrants in the US during my life and can say that the overwhelming majority came to the US to work, not to scam on our benefits. Most of the undocumented workers I've known have phony SSNs, which means that they contribute to a system they will likely never receive any benefits from, but that doesn't get much press. Take also into account the poorly-paid work they do that helps keep down the prices of produce in our grocery stores, etc.

I'm a humanist by nature and know that our system produces enough "fat" to go around. But lately (as in the last three decades) that excess economic output has been captured by the elite of our nation and taken out of circulation. At least if it is redistributed to people in need, it will immediately be spent, doing some good in the economy. I'm in favor of regulated capitalism with socialist leanings.

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 09:47 PM

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Yes, Roberto, I have also served in a war for my country. I make no apologies for not getting captured by our enemies. And as for respecting Dennis, I give respect where respect is due. There are NO sacred cows on this board, not Skeet, not Dennis, no one. As much as he likes to dish it out, he can damn well take it, or, as you say, STFU.

[Edited on 7-31-2011 by Bajatripper]

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by Ricardo
Hey I'm just quoting some info from a US source. sort of liking casting a lure and see who bites, Got two in the boat already. LOL

Some people have their minds set, no matter what the facts say. Thick skulls can be oh so hard to penetrate, even with a jack hammer.

Roberto - 7-30-2011 at 09:55 PM

Hey, I knew you were in the military, or you would not have Tricare. I know that first hand. Thank you for your service, I honor that.

I was asking about your comment comparing the subsidy you receive for your care in Mexico, and in that context, asked if you served in the Mexican military. You see where I'm headed? It's not about Dennis being a sacred cow, in fact face-to-face I would have a lot to say to him. It's about his service and the care or compensation he is now receiving. Neither you, nor I, have any place even commenting about that. And the comment you made is a disgrace, plain and simple. Having served in a war, I am surprised you would not be sensitive to that.

To make it perfectly clear - you implied that Dennis is a freeloader. I am saying that receiving taxpayer-subsidized services in mexico, you might want to rethink that position.

Roberto - 7-30-2011 at 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by Ricardo
Hey I'm just quoting some info from a US source. sort of liking casting a lure and see who bites, Got two in the boat already. LOL

You are undoubtedly an idiot. LOL.

Ricardo - 7-30-2011 at 09:58 PM

Since I have a place in La Paz this hospital will be fine for me.
The Following is from Baja Insider

The best hospital is the brand new hospital opened in 2010. The new Salvatierra Hospital is located in the Civic Plaza near Soriana. When President Felipe Calderón opened the hospital he declared it one of the most advanced in Mexico. With more than double the capacity of the old Salvatierra some of the new equipment is still being unpacked as of December. This is the hospital of the Seguros Popular, my insurance carrier. I would recommend this facility.

In the event of a rare or difficult treatment process you might still consider being airlifted to the states or Canada, Guadalajara or Mexico City. I suggest this because Baja is still ‘the sticks’ and a specialist in a big city may be more experienced in what ails you.

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Hey, I knew you were in the military, or you would not have Tricare. I know that first hand. Thank you for your service, I honor that.

I was asking about your comment comparing the subsidy you receive for your care in Mexico, and in that context, asked if you served in the Mexican military. You see where I'm headed? It's not about Dennis being a sacred cow, in fact face-to-face I would have a lot to say to him. It's about his service and the care or compensation he is now receiving. Neither you, nor I, have any place even commenting about that. And the comment you made is a disgrace, plain and simple. Having served in a war, I am surprised you would not be sensitive to that.

To make it perfectly clear - you implied that Dennis is a freeloader. I am saying that receiving taxpayer-subsidized services in mexico, you might want to rethink that position.

No, no, no. Check your facts. It was Dennis who said I was a leech on society. I merely pointed out that he's receiving benefits from our government, too--or don't you get the "pot calling the kettle black" saying? If you are really interested, look up the Seguro Popular program for yourself, you will find it has nothing to do with the military. It is open to "residents" of Mexico. And, as a socialized medical insurance plan, I certainly do pay into it, my property taxes, car registration, fideicomiso, IVA on everything. Where's that freeloader you were talking about, or don't you understand the principles of "socialized"?

No sacred cows, indeed.

[Edited on 7-31-2011 by Bajatripper]

Baja Bucko - 7-30-2011 at 10:12 PM

All this talk abt Seguro Popular-a very good vaquero friend of mine ended up in the good hospital in TJ with a massive heart attack imminent....because funds were raised for his angioplasty etc his life was saved....he did not have any insurance. So now he has a "pre-existing" and can't get insurance except to cover un-heart-related things. So next time if he ends up in the hospital w heart issues, he will die because we won't be able to raise that kind of money again.

Presently we are funding all of his meds ie statins, bp etc and he is doing what he can to improve his diet and lifestyle.

There is no option for him now w the heart issue because it is "pre-existing"..anyone have any ideas here???

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Ricardo
Since I have a place in La Paz this hospital will be fine for me.
The Following is from Baja Insider

The best hospital is the brand new hospital opened in 2010. The new Salvatierra Hospital is located in the Civic Plaza near Soriana. When President Felipe Calderón opened the hospital he declared it one of the most advanced in Mexico. With more than double the capacity of the old Salvatierra some of the new equipment is still being unpacked as of December. This is the hospital of the Seguros Popular, my insurance carrier. I would recommend this facility.

In the event of a rare or difficult treatment process you might still consider being airlifted to the states or Canada, Guadalajara or Mexico City. I suggest this because Baja is still ‘the sticks’ and a specialist in a big city may be more experienced in what ails you.

Ricardo
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you might want to think twice about that new hospital. It is a grand-looking place, but has been hit with a list of discrepancies that is mind-boggling. But at least they haven't impacted the treatment available there. That is where my appoitment is later this month.

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2133804.htm

Roberto - 7-30-2011 at 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

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Dude,

1. I never said it has anything to do with the military. Develop your reading skills. YOU compared to what you receive with tricare, get it?

2. You really think that this program could function without government subsidies? Just what have you contributed to Mexican society that entitles you to draw from the government. Are you starting to see the light? I certainly am. I totally understand why you would feel no problem since you are clueless.

Carry on.

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto

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Originally posted by Ricardo
Hey I'm just quoting some info from a US source. sort of liking casting a lure and see who bites, Got two in the boat already. LOL

You are undoubtedly an idiot. LOL.

Ah yes, if logic and reason turn out to be an impediment, resort to name calling. You are only reflecting the emptiness of your argument. I suppose that makes me an idiot, too, to go along with the title of biggest a-hole on the board I recently had bestowed on me. You two are fine company.

Bajatripper - 7-30-2011 at 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

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Ah, what's the use, Robbie boy, the lights are on, but nobody's home. Have a good one.

Roberto - 7-30-2011 at 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

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Originally posted by Roberto

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Originally posted by Ricardo
Hey I'm just quoting some info from a US source. sort of liking casting a lure and see who bites, Got two in the boat already. LOL

You are undoubtedly an idiot. LOL.

SO does that mean, you don't think he's an idiot? :lol:

Precisely what points that could be rebutted did he make? He basically said, "I didn't really mean it, I was just throwing things out to get a response". A true beginning for intelligent discourse. Jeez, what is it with this place?

Roberto - 7-30-2011 at 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Ah, what's the use, Robbie boy, the lights are on, but nobody's home. Have a good one.

Finally something we can agree on. Let me know when you complete that remedial reading class.

twarnt - 7-30-2011 at 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
It is open to "residents" of Mexico. And, as a socialized medical insurance plan, I certainly do pay into it, my property taxes, car registration, fideicomiso, IVA on everything. Where's that freeloader you were talking about, or don't you understand the principles of "socialized"?

Seguro Popular is not open to just any "resident" of Mexico, per se. It is open to the poorest of the poor in Mexico. If you work for a regular employer, where the employer has to pay for the other medical plan, IMSS, you are not eligible for Seguro Popular. Same if you are a government employee, you have to use ISSSST. Military and other unions have their own medical plans and are not eligible. Seguro Popular is designed to be a safety net for the poorest Mexicans.

There is a sliding scale premium schedule and only the very lowest tiers are free. If you have a military pension, you income puts you in the highest fee schedule and you should be paying about $1,000 per year. I found out your wife is Mexican, so I guess you snuck in as her dependent. What did you tell them your income and assets were when you signed up?

Healthcare

C-Urchin - 7-30-2011 at 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

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Originally posted by TW
Someone has to pay for it, it's not free. basically the US system is set up on a pay as you go type system thru insurance companies. [Edited on 7-30-2011 by TW]

Very well said.

I have Kaiser in the states AND sciatica. While you see the doc for your precious 8 minutes, they tell you "you are just getting older, here's some drugs".

Found the solution here with a rheumatologist, paid out of pocket which is less than the $50 Kaiser co-pay and feeling MUCH better now.

In the US, the emperor has no clothes... :?:

JESSE - 7-30-2011 at 11:26 PM

1.-Mexican social security health care is pretty good when it comes down to non life threatening care.

2.-Some Mex hospitals are actually very good when it comes to some serious diseases, like cancer treatment, etc etc (but none can be found in baja sur).

3.-The new salvatierra hospital in La Paz is a disaster, it pretty much has to be re-built because of the cheap materials, bad construction, and lack of quality control (this from a top social security big shot).

Sallysouth - 7-30-2011 at 11:26 PM

Geez.This whole thread should be in the Off-Topic forum.And isn't even a full moon!

JoeJustJoe - 7-31-2011 at 08:18 AM

Bajatripper great to see the doctors in Mexico took care of you for $70 dollars a year. That sounds like great basic coverage, but it does sound a little like an HMO. But hey the price is great again, and besides if you wanted surgery or something like that you probably would want to get that in the USA if you had Medicare, or some type of insurance. But again I can't believe what great service you got for just $70 dollars and were even allowed to see specialists.

I see there was no MRI taken, and to really find out what's going on probably a MRI would need to be taken, but x-Rays also show a lot, and even in the states getting doctors to take an MRI is sometimes like pulling teeth depending on your doctor and Insurance company.

In the states they will often treat back problems by telling you to lose weight which could really be insulting if you had back problems all your life and even when you were thin. It looks like the Mexican doctors did the same things they do in the state. Anti-inflammation, muscle relaxants, and pain management is usually what I get in the states, and Bajatripper looks like he got similar treatment.

A Trauma Specialists sounds unusual here. In the states I usually am referred to a orthopedic or neurologist specialist for back problems. I also tried Acupuncture and Chiropractors with some success or at least as good as the usual medical treatment with drugs.
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What's with the "war hero" stories in a tread about medical treatment in Mexico?

What's with the trolling and bashing medical treatment in Mexico by Roberto? Roberto can you speak from personal experience, and how do we always know "Baja Nomad" war stories are true? I for one will not salute any so-called war Veteran's of "Baja Nomad" unless the war hero posts there military records. The same goes for airplane pilots.

JoeJustJoe - 7-31-2011 at 08:24 AM

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It's nice to see you posting again Jenny/Arrowhead/Fulano. NOT!

DENNIS - 7-31-2011 at 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I for one will not salute any so-called war Veteran's of "Baja Nomad" unless the war hero posts there military records. The same goes for airplane pilots.

It will be a sad day for mankind when anyone here feels they have to prove anything to you, Joe. Why don't you just stay in a realm you're familiar with...like the Tijuana sewer system or something like that. :barf:

Bajajorge - 7-31-2011 at 09:12 AM

The only thing I know about the Mexican Public Health System is that those on the program stand in a line which runs around the building at the "Clinic" in San Felipe on health days. Ya better bring your lunch cuz ya gonna be there for hours.

Then you get sent to Mexicali for more extensive care.

Just can't wait for Obamacare, so us gringos can experience the wonders of this socialized medicine stuff. :barf:

bajajurel - 7-31-2011 at 10:29 AM

My experience - after my fishing buddy buried a hook in his hand I tried to force it through and that didn't work so I cut off what I could so not to interfere with fishing. After a good day of fishing I took him to the Clinic in La Bocana and they treated us very well. The Nurse came in and cleaned it up and prepped his hand, then the Doc came in and cut out the hook, sewed the hand up, and gave him a tetanus shot. I asked - what's the charge Doc, he replied - NOTHING. After many thanks we left.

On our return trips we now buy supplies for the clinic and take it back with us to show our appreciation for their helping us.

That's my story.

David K - 7-31-2011 at 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by Sallysouth
Geez.This whole thread should be in the Off-Topic forum.And isn't even a full moon!

I think you and your daughter are the experts on the Mexican vs. American medical care systems... after what you just experienced.

Lobsterman - 7-31-2011 at 04:47 PM

Twart has stated an interesting fact.

How can you be eligible for such a low cost health insurance in Mexico when you are a retired military vet with a high pension income (in Mexico) including healthcare in the USA? Is the Mexican government aware of your military pension and your family's total combined income and benefits? Please let us know so perhaps others can do the same.

LancairDriver - 7-31-2011 at 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by Sallysouth
Geez.This whole thread should be in the Off-Topic forum.And isn't even a full moon!

I think you and your daughter are the experts on the Mexican vs. American medical care systems... after what you just experienced.

Yes, this would be interesting to hear this first hand experience in comparing both systems. From what I remember in following the thread, the US health care system comes out looking pretty good.

Dominica - 7-31-2011 at 07:09 PM

Well, as someone who has had the privilege to use the medical system, pharamacies, etc in Mexico on several occasions while house sitting let me tell me - great service, fabulous doctors, cheap medicine that is always available. This is in little villages to big city such as Merida. A few for instances:

1. My friend, and American, who has lived in a tiny village of 300 for the past year or so....had an accident while visiting me. She was immediately put on someone's bike and taken to the doctor. He arranged xray, then put on a cast as she had broken toes, gave her meds, gave her a prescription to continue meds and did twice weekly follow ups with her for several weeks until the cast came off. And, everyone made sure to find her suitable crutches. Cost for all of it - zero. She offered money, they said NO. It is taken care of. She does not have any med insurance, national plan or otherwise.

2. I ran out of several med's / prescriptions while house sitting....someone said, oh don't bother going to the doctor go to the pharmacy first and see what they will handle for you. I took in all my meds, asthma inhaler, allergy nose meds, etc. After reading bottle labels the pharmacist rounded up a six month supply for each and showed me the Spanish prescription name as it compared to the US product in a book. No need for prescriptions from doctors....and the whole thing averaged $7 per month for all my refills. Now, in the USA, my one allergy nose spray is $98 for a one or two month supply, depending on how it is used. So I had all 9 medicines that I was using for $7 a month. How can one go wrong with that. Not a problem with them...and certainly not old or expired or shipped to Mexico from Libya or China. Top notch products.

3. I was forced to see a specialist while off in the deep wilds of a small city.....I was quite ill and thought I might have pneumonia. The specialist was at the wonderful cool very clean hospital and took me in right away without an appt....he spoke enough English and I speak enough Spanish that we understood each other. After testing he determined that I had triggered an asthma attack four weeks earlier due to exposure to lots of mold at a hotel I had stayed at....and because I didn't treat it properly it had turned to severe bronchitis...but he also felt that there was something else wrong...and so I was given an immediate chest xray, cultures, blood work etc....and then he told me that I had a new allergy that I wasn't aware of....and upon discussion and evaluation I realized he was absolutely right. So I had to get two shots from the nurse, loads of new meds and syrups to fight all three conditions for the next 10 days and then I returned for the 2nd follow up visit. I do not have med insurance in Mexico....my total cost for all of this came to usd$ 45....so I can't say more about how effective the treatment, how excellent this specialist/internist was and my treatment and care....and obviously the price can't be beat.

So when I live in Mexico....I would really want the national medical insurance. I've nothing but good experiences with it as have my friends who live there.

Roberto - 8-1-2011 at 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by Dominica
Well, as someone who has had the privilege to use the medical system, pharamacies, etc in Mexico on several occasions while house sitting let me tell me - great service, fabulous doctors, cheap medicine that is always available. This is in little villages to big city such as Merida. A few for instances:

1. My friend, and American, who has lived in a tiny village of 300 for the past year or so....had an accident while visiting me. She was immediately put on someone's bike and taken to the doctor. He arranged xray, then put on a cast as she had broken toes, gave her meds, gave her a prescription to continue meds and did twice weekly follow ups with her for several weeks until the cast came off. And, everyone made sure to find her suitable crutches. Cost for all of it - zero. She offered money, they said NO. It is taken care of. She does not have any med insurance, national plan or otherwise.

2. I ran out of several med's / prescriptions while house sitting....someone said, oh don't bother going to the doctor go to the pharmacy first and see what they will handle for you. I took in all my meds, asthma inhaler, allergy nose meds, etc. After reading bottle labels the pharmacist rounded up a six month supply for each and showed me the Spanish prescription name as it compared to the US product in a book. No need for prescriptions from doctors....and the whole thing averaged $7 per month for all my refills. Now, in the USA, my one allergy nose spray is $98 for a one or two month supply, depending on how it is used. So I had all 9 medicines that I was using for $7 a month. How can one go wrong with that. Not a problem with them...and certainly not old or expired or shipped to Mexico from Libya or China. Top notch products.

3. I was forced to see a specialist while off in the deep wilds of a small city.....I was quite ill and thought I might have pneumonia. The specialist was at the wonderful cool very clean hospital and took me in right away without an appt....he spoke enough English and I speak enough Spanish that we understood each other. After testing he determined that I had triggered an asthma attack four weeks earlier due to exposure to lots of mold at a hotel I had stayed at....and because I didn't treat it properly it had turned to severe bronchitis...but he also felt that there was something else wrong...and so I was given an immediate chest xray, cultures, blood work etc....and then he told me that I had a new allergy that I wasn't aware of....and upon discussion and evaluation I realized he was absolutely right. So I had to get two shots from the nurse, loads of new meds and syrups to fight all three conditions for the next 10 days and then I returned for the 2nd follow up visit. I do not have med insurance in Mexico....my total cost for all of this came to usd$ 45....so I can't say more about how effective the treatment, how excellent this specialist/internist was and my treatment and care....and obviously the price can't be beat.

So when I live in Mexico....I would really want the national medical insurance. I've nothing but good experiences with it as have my friends who live there.

That's great and I'm happy for you. My concern is with life-threatening conditions, the situations you describe are fairly minor and routine. And yes, my concern does arise from experience.

Eli - 8-1-2011 at 05:56 AM

I have lived the last 22 years in Mexico. Most everyone I know is dependent on the Mexican health system, a few have died, most have survived, although eventually, we all will die, hummmmmmm. I expect, folks al otro lado would say the same, after all, it is the human predicament.

twarnt - 8-1-2011 at 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by Lobsterman
Twart has stated an interesting fact.

How can you be eligible for such a low cost health insurance in Mexico when you are a retired military vet with a high pension income (in Mexico) including healthcare in the USA? Is the Mexican government aware of your military pension and your family's total combined income and benefits? Please let us know so perhaps others can do the same.

bajatripper has logged on several times since either you or I posted and has seen the comments. He's is not going to answer the question. Socialists believe they are entitled to whatever they can suck out of society. And, apparently from Dennis'comment, they want to beat you up if you challenge their belief system.

Knuckledraggers.

MitchMan - 8-1-2011 at 02:35 PM

You know, twarnt, you aught to be a bit more careful how you cavalierly bandy about the term 'socialist'. Just because some of us do not believe that our current USA healthcare system is as good as it should be or that it is way too costly for all citizens and that 15 million uninsured in one of the wealthiest nations on earth is a moral abomination, doesn't mean that some of us are socialists.

As a career entrepreneur and business professional and having studied formal economics in some detail, and moreover, being an avid proponent of a proper market based capitalistic system, I can tell you that change is desperately needed to our USA healthcare system. We need to cover more people (covering all people would be best), provide more basic care to more people, we need to lower the cost of healthcare services and drugs drastically across the board, and we need to do it now.

I don't know, maybe you think everything is perfect the way it is and that no changes are needed at all.

BajaNomad - 8-1-2011 at 02:46 PM

UH-OH.... LOOK OUT....

DENNIS - 8-1-2011 at 03:07 PM

Really. Know your adversary.

Bill Collector - 8-1-2011 at 03:46 PM

Last March my Husband didn’t feel right, so we went into La Paz to see Dr. Diaz.. He ran all types of test on Rod, he felt he needed to see an Cardiologist. We were referred to Dr. Cuevas a Cardiologist, he ran a stress test, then a echocardiogram. We were told he was going to need to have two stints put in, he had two blockages on the right side.. Dr. Cuevas recommend we go to Guadalajara., we thought about it. We do have Mexican Medical Insurance but no insurance for the US. We were concerned about going to Guadalajara, Dr. Cuevas said he would come with us. We boarded a plane out of La Paz on Saturday morning. Arrived at the hospital that afternoon, within 10 minutes they had Rod on the table. Dr. Cuevas was gowned up and in the room the whole time. After about 15 minutes someone came to me and asked if I would go and sign Rod in. They never once asked for Credit Card, Insurance Card, just his information. Everyone spoke very good English.. They go in the wrist here in Mexico, Rod was on and off the table under a hour. The little spot where they went in on his wrist was amazing ,I agree it’s not US Medical but I can say that we had the best care. Everyone seemed to care about the person not the INSURANCE.. The total cost for two stints came to $15,700.00 US dollar.We flew back to La Paz the very next afternoon..

DENNIS - 8-1-2011 at 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by Bill Collector
The total cost for two stints came to $15,700.00 US dollar.

And...what did your Mexican insurance carrier have to say about that?

mtgoat666 - 8-1-2011 at 04:16 PM

If you are in a really bad car accident, would you rather be taken to an ER in USA or Mexico?

Would you rather have a paramedic/ambulance from US or Mexico respond to accident scene?

My My

Bajahowodd - 8-1-2011 at 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
You know, twarnt, you aught to be a bit more careful how you cavalierly bandy about the term 'socialist'. Just because some of us do not believe that our current USA healthcare system is as good as it should be or that it is way too costly for all citizens and that 15 million uninsured in one of the wealthiest nations on earth is a moral abomination, doesn't mean that some of us are socialists.

As a career entrepreneur and business professional and having studied formal economics in some detail, and moreover, being an avid proponent of a proper market based capitalistic system, I can tell you that change is desperately needed to our USA healthcare system. We need to cover more people (covering all people would be best), provide more basic care to more people, we need to lower the cost of healthcare services and drugs drastically across the board, and we need to do it now.

I don't know, maybe you think everything is perfect the way it is and that no changes are needed at all.

I farnkly have never been able to understand the kneejerk reaction that so many folks exhibit when confronted with something like a public option or Medicare for all.

In my opinion, Obama blew a golden opportunity to create a system wherein most, if not all, could have received basic, affordable medical.

Such a system would not preclude those wtih means to seek care in a private market. But, the Health care juggernaut prevailed.

Pity that almost all the nations in the industrialized world do provide healthcare for all.

Bill Collector - 8-1-2011 at 04:22 PM

We submitted all our bills, after our deductible we received a check for 14,700 peso. check was here in 4 weeks. We pay $2,000 us dollars a year per person.. We pay in peso but that's what the exchange rate would make it..
Since we have chosen Buena Vista as our home for the last 16 years there is no option as US or Mexico. This is our home, not the USA..this is our choice.

paranewbi - 8-1-2011 at 04:23 PM

I often wonder at the comparison to other medical systems around the world where this countries lack of medical care is compared to others great services. No country in the world covers a populace of 350 million with a 95+% coverage on the level of services the US does. Not China, Russia, India, etc.
To compare the US to Canada, Norway, Germany, or any other social service system, think of how few they actually serve compared to the enormous size of our med system.
If we desire to excel to such great supposed heights as these systems lets:
Lower medical care workers pay to their levels (watch the flood for the exit door).
Stop paying for liability insurance and trial lawyer services (try getting compensated for mistakes in those other countries).
Change our luxurious lifestyle of high percentage obesity that outstrips the world in all categories of related ailments.
Cease catering to addictive abusive personalities that soak the monies from our system and crowd our 'community' hospitals (all operate in the red)
and, OH, one time I was having some tequilla with a group of French tourists on the mainland (mex) and the conversation came to the declaration that the US was the richest country in the world and should do more for those around the world...I stood up and threw my wallet down on the table and told them to take what they thought was needed...the point being, the richest country in the world gets its money from my back pocket. Not from Washington!
I don't have any more to give for 100% of coverage for those who 'need' in the Obamacare plan!

mtgoat666 - 8-1-2011 at 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I farnkly have never been able to understand the kneejerk reaction that so many folks exhibit when confronted with something like a public option or Medicare for all.

In my opinion, Obama blew a golden opportunity to create a system wherein most, if not all, could have received basic, affordable medical.

unfortunately, it was obamacare that gave a name and cause to teabagging hobbit knownothings.

obama did the best he could in face of ridiculous fight put up by hobbits and their puppet masters.

the gop and hobbits were able to rally the troops and p1ss all over universal health care. why? because they hate people!

BajaGringo - 8-1-2011 at 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by paranewbi
Stop paying for liability insurance and trial lawyer services (try getting compensated for mistakes in those other countries).

Really? Tried suing a US based HMO lately???

KurtG - 8-1-2011 at 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
If you are in a really bad car accident, would you rather be taken to an ER in USA or Mexico?

Would you rather have a paramedic/ambulance from US or Mexico respond to accident scene?

Of course I would prefer the US level of care however that means in order to be assured that care I can't travel to interesting third world areas. There is a certain level of risk that I have always been willing to take to do interesting things. The willingness to knowing take those risks has led to some of my greatest experiences in my nearly 70 years. To anyone with any small sense of adventure in their life your questions are irrelevant.

mtgoat666 - 8-1-2011 at 04:32 PM

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we are discussing health care. you are discussing how quaint it is to visit the villages with limited access to basic health care, safe in knowledge you can fly back home if you scrape your knee.

DENNIS - 8-1-2011 at 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Bill Collector
We submitted all our bills, after our deductible we received a check for 14,700 peso. check was here in 4 weeks. We pay $2,000 us dollars a year per person..

WOW....I guess it would have saved you money to cancel the insurance and pay the whole bill.
Home or no home, I'd be medivacing to the states and using Medicare...or something. You would still save money.

Is my math correct? Something doesn't seem right here.

KurtG - 8-1-2011 at 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by KurtG

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we are discussing health care. you are discussing how quaint it is to visit the villages with limited access to basic health care, safe in knowledge you can fly back home if you scrape your knee.

"Quaint?" You are putting words in my mouth that I didn't use and attributing attitudes to me that I do not hold. Those are intellectually cheap tricks to use when any ideas that do not coincide with your own happen to pop up.

Bill Collector - 8-1-2011 at 06:47 PM

It wasn't an emergency, we are NOT old enough for Medicare. We pay $2 000 a yr for insurance, tbe cost was 5,700. Think your math is off. I'm giving you the price in dollars, not peso that we paid. A friend had 1 stint put in Nov. was in San Diego cost $102,000.000

David K - 8-1-2011 at 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Bill Collector
It wasn't an emergency, we are NOT old enough for Medicare. We pay $2 000 a yr for insurance, tbe cost was 5,700. Think your math is off. I'm giving you the price in dollars, not peso that we paid. A friend had 1 stint put in Nov. was in San Diego cost $102,000.000

Confused, but hope it is a typo:

You said this above:

"The total cost for two stints came to $15,700.00 US dollar."

Was it 15,700 dollars or not?

Bill Collector - 8-1-2011 at 07:08 PM

David your right, I hit the wrong button.. I reread what I wrote.
$5,700 per stint
He had two stints $11,400

We are still to young for Medicare, we have no insurance in the US.

Roberto - 8-1-2011 at 07:16 PM

The idea, expressed often in certain circles, and in this thread, that U.S. medical personnel only cares about the insurance (i.e. money) is not just inaccurate, it is insulting and disgusting. I have traveled all over the world, lived half my life in Europe, and can say for absolute certain, that the care one receives here is second to none and superior to almost all.

I hope you don't end up in a hospital in dire straits, but if you do, watch the nurses, support staff, doctors, etc., and then see if you can say they only care about money.

I don't have a problem with folks believing in socialized medicine, but having lived in more than one country where it was the normal fare, I can say this - it's often the OBSTACLE that prevents caring people from doing their best. But I can also tell you this, socialized medicine, while available to all, does not mean that all are treated equally.

I have a few friends I grew up with who received their degree in Italy. During, before and after their studies, ever single one of these aspiring doctors wanted nothing more than to come and study, intern, or practice guess where - the United States of America. Support there MIGHT be a reason for this?

[Edited on 8-2-2011 by Roberto]

DavidE - 8-2-2011 at 12:33 AM

Hola, I have wi-fi tonight!

Lost 30 lbs., not self-medicating, have an internal medicine MD in Calif., and a Mexican MD.
Amitriptylene is a superb adjunt to pain medications because one primary function of pain is that it gets us upset that it exists. Opiates tend to dull the perception of pain. I just finished a week minus the tramadol without any withdrawal symptoms.

A lab just finished a blood panel and urine analysis last week and although my creatitine level is rather high it isn't high enough to worry about yet. All COX-3 inhibiting NSAIDS exhibit similar nasty habits, but those countries that pulled Nimesulide from their allowed formularies did it principally because of cardiac issues. Merck pulled Vioxx from the market voluntarily while Glaxo Smith Kline keeps pumping out Celebrex even though sampling indicates similar effects. I have been taking Nimesulide for twenty one years now, and I'll let you know when I croak from it :-)

Roberto - 8-2-2011 at 06:39 AM

David, the Internet is full of articles documenting hepatic failure due to nimesulide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimesulide that's one. That is the major reason for banning of the drug. It was never even submitted in the US. There is some documented trouble with heart patients but that is NOT the main reason for it's banning. You seem to just brush it off as if it were any other NSAID, but that is not the case. Do some more research you stubborn pedo viejo.