BajaNomad - An olive branch, DENNIS.

An olive branch, DENNIS.

Bajatripper - 8-3-2011 at 01:39 PM

An Open Letter to DENNIS

Doug: Please let this thread stand for at least a few days before moving it to Off-Topic, where it surely belongs. I need to clear the air publicly between Dennis and me in a manner for all to see.

DENNIS
Our recent late-night exchange had some fellow Nomads wondering what is going on between the two of us. To tell the truth, I don't really know myself. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us?

When I first joined the board a little over two years ago (after several years of lurking), you welcomed me as you do all new members. I sent you a couple of U2Us early on to ask your opinion on some things. Among them was a question of your take on Skeet. You told me he was like a crazy uncle the family kept locked up in the attic, that he was harmless and that it was best to just ignore him. You were cordial.

Perhaps it is because you sit on the same side of the political fence as does Skeet that you find his frequently-offensive remarks nothing more than amusing. But as a card-carrying, angry progressive, I was unable to view him the way you did (you have since disowned him).

When I responded to one of Skeet's rants with a joking "I think yer nothin' but a yella' bellied coward" (I thought, doing my best John Wayne imitation), you absolutely wigged out on me. You even started a thread with the expressed goal of driving me from the Nomad board for having dared to hold Skeet to account, a thread that Doug quickly erased through no action on my part. I'm sure you must have received a "friendly reminder" of the Nomad rules of etiquette, for you behaved yourself for a while.

Since that encounter, we have had periods of relative calm. But often, out of nowhere, you suddenly give me a couple of broadsides. One such occasion was triggered when I merely pointed out that the Halloween customs practiced in La Paz were different from those you mentioned in your area. At no point did I say "No, no, no, Dennis, you are SOOO wrong, that isn't the way it is, etc." Yet, judging from your response, that was how my comment was received by you. Another time, your attack amounted to the old smear on all US Navy sailors, that we're gay. It's been downhill from there.

I've tried dealing with these outbursts in different fashions. At first, I tried to disarm them with humor. Some times it worked, more often, not. Then I tried ignoring your insults. Given your need for attention (which you will undoubtedly deny), that was worse. These attacks ended only after some fellow member reported the violation of the rules (I've only reported you once, that I remember, but you could check with Doug on that).

The other night, on "the medical thread" as one member put it, you finally found out how far you have to push before getting in touch with my bad side--it only took two years to find out. I sent you a private U2U, offering a resolution to "our" problem (remember, my mother Bajalera and my daughter Bajalerita also browse the Nomad board). I suppose some could have taken it as a threat; Doug was one of them.

You, of course, went public with my message, as you are wont to do. But seriously, as I said, I'm a progressive, and we all know that the more progressive, the more of a sissy we tend to be (and I'm way, way left). Besides, as I would never leave my darling daughter at a mall in your neck of the woods as you suggested (we all know how dangerous the border region is!), she will be riding shotgun wherever I go on this upcoming trip. The only thing worse than seeing your Dad beat up some decrepit old man is seeing some decrepit old man kicking the crap out of your Dad. In other words, a fight would have been a lose-lose situation for me. No Dennis, actually, the plan was to win you over with my charm. I can't think of a single Nomad I've met who thinks I'm the #1 a-hole on the board, as you anointed me the other night (seriously, Dennis, I've never been #1 at anything). Even my ex-wife only has me catalogued as a JEEERRRKKK!!!, and she knows me well. I'm sure that if you got to know me, you'd change your opinion a bit.

So that is where we stand today, only this time I, too, got a warning. But, given your status as Doug's most sacred bovine, your position on the Nomad board is far safer than mine. But that is as it should be. You have made countless valuable contributions to the board, and the total number of posts you've logged speaks for itself. I'm just looking for a solution that works for both of us. You aren't doing yourself any favors by these senseless attacks, as was demonstrated by a couple of posters after our last encounter. You are your own worse enemy when it comes to the disrespect you sense. Besides, I can be a great friend, should you need any. Do you really want the likes of Roberto/Jenny Navarrette/Fulano to be your principle defenders? I know you're a better man than that.

I'm not offering an apology, nor am I asking for one. What I'm asking for are the keys to get out of your dog house. I think I've earned that in the last two years, taking your best shots and still remaining civil. The fact that I just now got my first warning from Doug is a testament to that.

How do I get a pass from you?

Steve

DENNIS - 8-3-2011 at 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
How do I get a pass from you?

Well, Steve....I appreciate your blend of scolding and decency. You mix it well. Your transition from Switch to Olive Branch is well received. Thank you for that.
You need no pass from me. I ain't nobody and this is no place to be drawing lines in the sand. I hope that this is all behind us and forgotten....as it should be.

One note of clarification, if I may.....I took it public because, as I said the other night, you have blocked my U2Us and I thought it rude to ignore your offer.

Let's just move on, Steve. Life's too short.

One more thing before I go.....Do you keep a diary? :lol:

All in fun, Steve. Thanks for the note.

Skeet/Loreto - 8-3-2011 at 02:54 PM

Too Doug.

Will you Please Delete this very Offensive Post.

This is the Second time I have been" called a "yellow- Coward" on this Board.

Skeet/Loreto

DENNIS - 8-3-2011 at 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Too Doug.

Will you Please Delete this very Offensive Post.

This is the Second time I have been" called a "yellow- Coward" on this Board.

Skeet/Loreto

We're just clearing the air here, Skeet. Relax. It wasn't directed toward you.

Bajatripper - 8-3-2011 at 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Too Doug.

Will you Please Delete this very Offensive Post.

This is the Second time I have been" called a "yellow- Coward" on this Board.

Skeet/Loreto

Technically, I was only referencing the first, so no, Skeet, you're still down for only one "yella bellied coward," from me, at least.

TMW - 8-3-2011 at 03:21 PM

Skeet no one on this board would ever think you are a "yellow bellied coward" unless they are totally stupid.

Confusing

Dave - 8-3-2011 at 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Too Doug.

Will you Please Delete this very Offensive Post.

This is the Second time I have been" called a "yellow- Coward" on this Board.

Skeet/Loreto

Technically, I was only referencing the first, so no, Skeet, you're still down for only one "yella bellied coward," from me, at least.

How about if someone OTHER than you quoted your reference of a quote that you quoted?

Would that count?

David K - 8-3-2011 at 03:38 PM

I miss Dave's pastrami sandwiches...

bajamigo - 8-3-2011 at 03:43 PM

When do we start singing kum ba ya?

Bajatripper - 8-3-2011 at 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajatripper
How do I get a pass from you?

All in fun, Steve. Thanks for the note.

Thanks, Dennis. Glad to get it behind us. But, I swear to gawd I didn't block any U2Us. My daughter can attest that I'm much too inept on a computer for such things.

Bajatripper - 8-3-2011 at 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by bajamigo
When do we start singing kum ba ya?

Actually, this calls for one of David K's famous rock dances around the campfire.

DENNIS - 8-3-2011 at 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by bajamigo
When do we start singing kum ba ya?

Right now.......a1...ana2...ana3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ

DENNIS - 8-3-2011 at 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajatripper
But, I swear to gawd I didn't block any U2Us. My daughter can attest that I'm much too inept on a computer for such things.

Skeet did it. :biggrin:

David K - 8-3-2011 at 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

Quote:

Originally posted by bajamigo
When do we start singing kum ba ya?

Actually, this calls for one of David K's famous rock dances around the campfire.

Sure, and a Bajatripper baptism, too!

I am trying to learn to play the didgeridoo, however!

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-3-2011 at 04:12 PM

mcfez - 8-3-2011 at 04:38 PM

I love you Skeet.

Let's all hold hands and .....

Using a compass, one of the pyramid's diagonal lines must be aligned due north; that is, the four corner points are directed toward the four cardinal points of the compass, namely North, South, East and West. When meditating as a group (two or more persons), we recommend that someone be designated beforehand who signals the beginning and the end of the peace meditation.

gnukid - 8-3-2011 at 07:49 PM

Here here, I do believe it's clear that there was a joke or sarcasm pointed toward the character/writer known as Skeet, though if we perceive an underlying criticism in the joke wouldn't it be about the character's posited ego, or projection of his own ego as superior to others--therefore justifying a lie for his bnefit. And isn't that itself a philosophical question reaching to the heart of being, or religion, or architecture of ones life, do we as individuals support each other, even those less fortunate, or do we profit on the backs of others. Isn't the underlying joke one about values, or more plainly stated does a character help others for the sheer joy helping others or do they attempt to exploit and profit off of others as a life modus operandi? What is the true character or spirit of a yellow belly liar? In a religious sense, does he/she believe in Luciferianism or pure ego, or does he/she share real community values and morals? What is the intent? These are questions to answer in Baja...

Well, I may be reading between the lines, Nomads often do.

scouter - 8-3-2011 at 08:23 PM

I like Skeet...........

don't mess with him.

toneart - 8-3-2011 at 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid
Here here, I do believe it's clear that there was a joke or sarcasm pointed toward the character/writer known as Skeet, though if we perceive an underlying criticism in the joke wouldn't it be about the character's posited ego, or projection of his own ego as superior to others--therefore justifying a lie for his bnefit. And isn't that itself a philosophical question reaching to the heart of being, or religion, or architecture of ones life, do we as individuals support each other, even those less fortunate, or do we profit on the backs of others. Isn't the underlying joke one about values, or more plainly stated does a character help others for the sheer joy helping others or do they attempt to exploit and profit off of others as a life modus operandi? What is the true character or spirit of a yellow belly liar? In a religious sense, does he/she believe in Luciferianism or pure ego, or does he/she share real community values and morals? What is the intent? These are questions to answer in Baja...

Well, I may be reading between the lines, Nomads often do.

I have been thinking the exact same thing, Gnu :light:

But that is during the day. What keeps my existential self awake at night is the eternal question, What is the point of it all :?:

woody with a view - 8-3-2011 at 08:45 PM

while we're clearing the air, i'd like to say Dennis is a man among men. Bajatripper is too, seeing how he laid it all out....

if i offended anyone here i prolly meant every word. after re-turning over the same leaf i feel bad for some of my behavior and wish only the best to most of my fellow Nomadic Ones.

Bajatripper - sleep easy, amigo! i wish i had your ability to pull a bandaid off a scab like you just did.....

Diver - 8-3-2011 at 08:58 PM

I like Dennis, he says what he thinks, at the moment.

I don't know Tripper and therefore don't care; maybe that will change.

Sure I like Skeet.
I like it when he tells us how great he is.
I like it when he tirades about his beliefs - how IT is, according to Skeet.
I like it when he rips someone for having a different opinion from his.
Sure I like Skeet.

I like Woody too; he's honest and often funny and Bia is so cool that Woody must be.

Anyone else ?? :tumble:

toneart - 8-3-2011 at 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
while we're clearing the air, i'd like to say Dennis is a man among men. Bajatripper is too, seeing how he laid it all out....

if i offended anyone here i prolly meant every word. after re-turning over the same leaf i feel bad for some of my behavior and wish only the best to most of my fellow Nomadic Ones.

Bajatripper - sleep easy, amigo! i wish i had your ability to pull a bandaid off a scab like you just did.....

I'd like to second the motion! Good on both of you! :yes:

gnukid - 8-3-2011 at 09:42 PM

I often ask myself, is a direct question about life offensive, questions about religion, politics or sex or a person--are these inherently offensive? If not, why do some people take offense? Is this cultural? If so, why is a difference of opinion inherently offensive?

Drilling down, is it offensive to be an idiot? Is it offensive to be antisocial? socio-pathic, self-centered? egotistical? pedantic? sanctimonious? is the mafia offensive inherently or is just a difference of opinion?

Can we laugh at people with different opinions? Can we laugh at ourselves?

This is about Skeet.

RichBaja - 8-4-2011 at 07:03 AM

Dennis, If I ever get to your area, can I stop my car (running) outside of Sharkey's and come give you a big hug?

Skeet/Loreto - 8-4-2011 at 07:04 AM

Just so everyone is on the same Page!

I was born in Texas, rasied Poor. and did Walk a Mile and a Half to Ada School ,\

I did listen to FDR make his famous Radio Speech on a Battery Radio.

I did Move to Amarillo Hi and Graduate in 1948.

I did win the Texas Hi School 105 Lb. Boxing Championship

I Did win the New mesicao 112 Lb Championship and go to the national Finals in Chicago where my picture was on the front page of the Chicago Tribune.

I did Hop a Freight Train out of Amarillo and Hobo'ed for 2 years all over the Western US.

I did return to Amarillo and entered the U,S, Navy
I did go and serve in the Combat Zone and Korea

I did entere and Graduate from Fresno State College, Fresno Calif with a Degree in Police Science.

I was in "Who's Who among Students in American Colleges and Universities.
I did work as a House Detective for Yosemite Park and Curry Co. during the Summer.

I did work as a Special Investigator for the State of Calif.

I did work as a Aviation Accident Investigator

I did work as a Private Investigator and handled claims at the Western Nevada Brothells,

I did own and operate a Snap=on Tool Dealership for 10 years working 17 hours a Day and ended up with a Million Dollars.

I did start investing in Rental Properties, moved to Loreto and Lived full time for 16 years.

I learned not to Cheat, Lie, nor Steal many years ago.

I have nearly 6,000 Hours Flying time in various types of small Aircraft

I have been a member of the Masoic Lodge for over 50 years.
I am now a member of Khiva Shrine Temple and the Muleskinners.

I just got back from Weeks Trip to the Conejo River area of Colorado Trail Riding.

I think this information is enough for anyone on the Board.

I am not bragging, I am stating Facts. I strongly suggest some of you Young Punks get out and off of your IPhones , go out into the World and meet and learn about People by looking them in the Eye, Shaking their Hand, watching their actions.

May the Good Lord Bless youall!

DENNIS - 8-4-2011 at 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by RichBaja
Dennis, If I ever get to your area, can I stop my car (running) outside of Sharkey's and come give you a big hug?

Well...after about an hour in Sharky's, I'm usually lying on the floor, so that hug thing will look kinda funny, but of course. Be my guest for a cold one. :biggrin:

TMW - 8-4-2011 at 08:06 AM

["I did work as a Private Investigator and handled claims at the Western Nevada Brothells,"]

That had to be a hoot. What was your pay?

CortezBlue - 8-4-2011 at 08:11 AM

Yawn

scouter - 8-4-2011 at 08:15 AM

"I am not bragging, I am stating Facts. I strongly suggest some of you Young Punks get out and off of your IPhones , go out into the World and meet and learn about People by looking them in the Eye, Shaking their Hand, watching their actions."

this is the scary truth, i see an entire generation whom can't communicate face to face email , tex , phone , bla bla bla ...
i got your back Skeet...

toneart - 8-4-2011 at 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Just so everyone is on the same Page!

I was born in Texas, rasied Poor. and did Walk a Mile and a Half to Ada School ,\

I did listen to FDR make his famous Radio Speech on a Battery Radio.

I did Move to Amarillo Hi and Graduate in 1948.

I did win the Texas Hi School 105 Lb. Boxing Championship

I Did win the New mesicao 112 Lb Championship and go to the national Finals in Chicago where my picture was on the front page of the Chicago Tribune.

I did Hop a Freight Train out of Amarillo and Hobo'ed for 2 years all over the Western US.

I did return to Amarillo and entered the U,S, Navy
I did go and serve in the Combat Zone and Korea

I did entere and Graduate from Fresno State College, Fresno Calif with a Degree in Police Science.

I was in "Who's Who among Students in American Colleges and Universities.
I did work as a House Detective for Yosemite Park and Curry Co. during the Summer.

I did work as a Special Investigator for the State of Calif.

I did work as a Aviation Accident Investigator

I did work as a Private Investigator and handled claims at the Western Nevada Brothells,

I did own and operate a Snap=on Tool Dealership for 10 years working 17 hours a Day and ended up with a Million Dollars.

I did start investing in Rental Properties, moved to Loreto and Lived full time for 16 years.

I learned not to Cheat, Lie, nor Steal many years ago.

I have nearly 6,000 Hours Flying time in various types of small Aircraft

I have been a member of the Masoic Lodge for over 50 years.
I am now a member of Khiva Shrine Temple and the Muleskinners.

I just got back from Weeks Trip to the Conejo River area of Colorado Trail Riding.

I think this information is enough for anyone on the Board.

I am not bragging, I am stating Facts. I strongly suggest some of you Young Punks get out and off of your IPhones , go out into the World and meet and learn about People by looking them in the Eye, Shaking their Hand, watching their actions.

May the Good Lord Bless youall!

I, I, ay, ay, ay in the eye! So, Skeet...You were a private dick at the Western Brothels?

Doubtful there are many "Young Punks" on this board (except for Dennis and me). :lol:

Diver - 8-4-2011 at 09:05 AM

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I rest my case ! :lol:

Thou doest protest too much, I think. :light:

mcfez - 8-4-2011 at 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scouter
i see an entire generation whom can't communicate face to face email , tex , phone , bla bla bla ...
i got your back Skeet...

Yes..let's communicate through BajaNomads :lol:

Hormones iAdded to the Testorones

Gypsy Jan - 8-4-2011 at 03:30 PM

We have BROMANCING!!

:lol:

[Edited on 8-4-2011 by Gypsy Jan]

Skeet

Howard - 8-4-2011 at 06:16 PM

You have led a full life. It seems like there is only one thing missing.

1: Have you been or are you happy?

I know it might not be any of my business but I interpret most of your posts as an extremely negative person. That is just my opinion.

"Don't worry, be happy"

[Edited on 8-5-2011 by Howard]

mulegemichael - 8-4-2011 at 06:45 PM

skeet....i could give a crap about what you've done with your life...it seems so boring and mundane...give me something positive...oh, and hey denny, i love your chit; it's off the cuff and fun. m.

DENNIS - 8-4-2011 at 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
...oh, and hey denny, i love your chit; it's off the cuff and fun. m.

Why, thank you, Mike.

Not to change the subject, but did you see that freakin' humongous 'cane, Eugene, that went by the tip?
Jeeezo....what a beast.

woody with a view - 8-4-2011 at 06:57 PM

surf's up tomorrow, D. you heard it first here.....

mike odell - 8-4-2011 at 06:58 PM

Damnation Skeeter,
Your bringin out yor old A game agin, power on, Skeets, but by the by,
Some a us Old Punks, question a coupla thangs.
I spent me some times in Nevada brothels in my younker daze, didn't
recolect seenya, then, were ya maybe taller then? Cuz mosta the poolice
fellers I saw were big ole boys.
Did ya sell snap on tools at the ho house as a side line biddness?
I musta mist ya some way.
But ya shore a fun feller to read here, keep on keepin on.
I might could be passin thru Sweeywater an Armadilla soon, buy you a
two eyed tekiller ifin yor inclined. Leavin south Baja tomorra for Alasky
for a spell, then to Denver for a visit wit some kin, then to Dallas, an
Cowtown, over to aramadilla, Lubock, Muleshoe, Herford, Clovis new mex,
then home, I think this pilot flyin me round myhap not as much hours as ya,
but i will have my 4 fingers on my right hand crossed up, that he nose what
he's adoin.
See ya'll in the fall
Mike the messican lesbian

DENNIS - 8-4-2011 at 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
surf's up tomorrow, D. you heard it first here.....

Did you see that mutha, Woody? Yeah...you're right. That has to push up a swell.

Bajafun777 - 8-7-2011 at 09:27 AM

Never dump on another person's life work as each person's road in life is different but important to them. Letting someone tell you of their travels in life is never a bad thng and times have changed a lot since 1948. Those from that time period still have life experiences that tells them of different ways back then that worked!
Hope that we find some of those things that will make our times work better than they seem to be working now and NO we can't love everyone in the world since that is what keeps getting us into trouble. We need to remember history as it surely will repeat itself as it seems to be doing now. Have a cold one for me Skeet and hope everyone has FUN BAJA TIMES!! Take Care & Travel Safe--"No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

bajamigo - 8-7-2011 at 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
skeet....i could give a crap about what you've done with your life...it seems so boring and mundane...give me something positive...oh, and hey denny, i love your chit; it's off the cuff and fun. m.

It wash't boring or mundane, but that's beside the point. It's always interesting to learn some details about the people who post on this board...makes it more human. And of course you like Dennis' "chit;" it's hard not to find something you like in nearly 18,000 posts.

zoesterone - 8-8-2011 at 07:08 AM

Yes, I am new but thought the letter to Dennis by BajaTripper showed and lot of class. It takes a big person to extend an olive branch with a desire to move on and mend fences. Something many haven't the humility to do. Dennis' acceptance and answer also showed class. It is easy to take things over the edge when not face to face and the fingers are doing the walking. Often ONE finger more than others. Good work guys! The beer is son me. '-)