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mexican army in mexico

aimee76 - 8-10-2011 at 10:45 PM

Hey what is everyone's opinion on the mexican army mistakenly crossing international lines northbound into USA in convoys and helicopters???
Why is this not a big deal to anyone .....................or is it??
Please enlighten me...
My husband is a Mexican and he sees it as invasion of the US...I gotta agree it seems it should be dealy with more harshly.......but no, it is always an "error"... come on ,man, thes eguys should surely be able to read a darn map........................

Woooosh - 8-10-2011 at 10:55 PM

A Mexican security helicopter landed at a Texas airport by mistake last week too. Oops. I think the places incursions occur should be fenced or a line drawn so everyone knows where the border is. If it was a big deal, there would be a fence- right? It also helps to recognize the USA flies military drones over Mexico collecting information and we have security operatives in Mexico... so it goes both ways.

[Edited on 8-11-2011 by Woooosh]

rehash...

Mulegena - 8-10-2011 at 11:18 PM

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=53681#pid6317...

drarroyo - 8-11-2011 at 12:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by aimee76
Hey what is everyone's opinion on the mexican army mistakenly crossing international lines northbound into USA in convoys and helicopters???


the devil made them do it!! :bounce:

redhilltown - 8-11-2011 at 12:23 AM

there are a lot of things to worry about in the united states right now...I would not put the mexican military high on the list.

baja Steve - 8-11-2011 at 05:46 AM

aimee76 I think you are trying to make a big thing out of nothing. try another site.

DENNIS - 8-11-2011 at 05:50 AM

It kinda depends on what they're doing, I suppose. If they're lost, send them home. If they're up to no good, make an issue of it.

Bajatripper - 8-11-2011 at 07:34 AM

I'm catching the stench of a troll. I wonder how much of a "Mexican" your husband is. His thinking is more in line with that of a pocho. A real Mexican would likely take pride in such invasions (you mention that it's "always," the implication being that this happens on a regular basis), given the historic relationship between the two nations. Mexicans are still quite proud of Pancho Villa's incursion into the US.

TMW - 8-11-2011 at 09:27 AM

I don't recall it happening along the CA border but along the AZ and NM and TX border. Sometimes it was that they were lost, most likely at night. Sometimes it may be drug runners checking to see if they can get across. If it is drug runners the US may be tracking them to see where they go. Unless the Mexican army and the US Border Patrol get into a shooting match I wouldn't worry too much about it.

mcfez - 8-11-2011 at 09:40 AM

I be concerned to see the People's Republic of China coming down some Arizona border town bridge. That be a real issue!

Border intrusions happens all the time with Mex and the US. Big deal.

toneart - 8-11-2011 at 09:51 AM

Troll she may be, but I am not getting that. At least, I don't think she is a retread.

The retreads have been popping up a lot lately, mostly in Off Topic. They carry the same themes and targets, and their writing styles are easily identifyable. These old retreads hammer out the same tired stuff year after year: Vengence ; against BajaNomad for getting banned; hatred ; of Liberals, Mexicans, Mexico and Mulege in particular; hatred for specific Nomads; racism; false impersonation of Nomads and making up lies with the intent of character assassination on other websites.

Aimee is different. Her themes are religion, injustices and now...Mexican military incursions into the U.S. Who knows if she is legitimate or just a goof/troll? I am leaning towards thinking she is legitimate. I don't detect hatred or any political axe to grind.

Where she bears some similarities to retreads is: myopathy, vehemence and obcession. Her thinking appears to be muddled, but persuant to a particular theme.

David K - 8-11-2011 at 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by mcfez
I be concerned to see the People's Republic of China coming down some Arizona border town bridge. That be a real issue!


They will be coming Deno... to come get what they own... us!

surfdoc - 8-11-2011 at 10:25 AM

The Chinese have already landed, and have a solid foothold on the high ground of the US...

They will not take over with guns or army's... they'll do it with our own good old Lawyers and use the Forclosure strategy,,,,

They already own a good portion of our finacial structures...

This is an issue........not some tired coporal who made a wrong turn.

Sorry David missed your post or I'd have saved my fingers and just said ...X2.

[Edited on 8-11-2011 by surfdoc]

bajaguy - 8-11-2011 at 11:54 AM

US Airline pilots have been known to land at the wrong airport......

I would imagine that a Mexican Army helicopter pilot has an above average intelligence level, and their helicopters should have onboard GPS systems.....sounds like a stupid attack to me...unless there is something more sinister going on.....like the extradition of a drug czar.

Mexican Army ground troops might have trouble with border crossings if they can't read a map or are not equipped with, or cannot use a GPS.

Puckdrop - 8-11-2011 at 12:54 PM

China just launched their first of many new aircraft carriers this week. Boy are you guys in trouble now:rolleyes: They are going to bring back thousands of Americano's to build their new railroad :lol: Stay in the Baja, they don't want Mexicans !

JESSE - 8-11-2011 at 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
A real Mexican would likely take pride in such invasions


Not:rolleyes:

If you cant win them...join them!

mcfez - 8-11-2011 at 01:15 PM



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Bajatripper - 8-11-2011 at 07:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
Troll she may be, but I am not getting that. At least, I don't think she is a retread.

The retreads have been popping up a lot lately, mostly in Off Topic. They carry the same themes and targets, and their writing styles are easily identifyable. These old retreads hammer out the same tired stuff year after year: Vengence ; against BajaNomad for getting banned; hatred ; of Liberals, Mexicans, Mexico and Mulege in particular; hatred for specific Nomads; racism; false impersonation of Nomads and making up lies with the intent of character assassination on other websites.

Aimee is different. Her themes are religion, injustices and now...Mexican military incursions into the U.S. Who knows if she is legitimate or just a goof/troll? I am leaning towards thinking she is legitimate. I don't detect hatred or any political axe to grind.

Where she bears some similarities to retreads is: myopathy, vehemence and obcession. Her thinking appears to be muddled, but persuant to a particular theme.


I bow to your superior knowledge. You've obviously put some thought into this, thought that I'm now benefitting from. I will measure my words more carefully. Thanks,

Bajatripper - 8-11-2011 at 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajatripper
A real Mexican would likely take pride in such invasions


Not:rolleyes:


Out of curiosity, Jesse, how do you feel about Pancho Villa's midnight ramble through Colombus, New Mexico?

Bajatripper - 8-15-2011 at 11:35 AM

I attended a party the other night at which I was the only American. After several rounds of drinks, I proposed the question and found that, while a few agreed with Jesse that it is wrong, nobody felt it was a big deal and several mentioned the history between our two nations and thought that we had little standing to make a big deal about it. Three had no problems at all with it and, indeed, felt a "Viva Mexico" was in order.

As someone whose training is in cultural anthopology, I am aware of the biases that can be produced just by who the questioner is. I wonder what answers would have come up if no Americans had been present. I stand by my original assertion.

durrelllrobert - 8-15-2011 at 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by toneart
Troll she may be, but I am not getting that. At least, I don't think she is a retread.

The retreads have been popping up a lot lately, mostly in Off Topic. They carry the same themes and targets, and their writing styles are easily identifyable. These old retreads hammer out the same tired stuff year after year: Vengence ; against BajaNomad for getting banned; hatred ; of Liberals, Mexicans, Mexico and Mulege in particular; hatred for specific Nomads; racism; false impersonation of Nomads and making up lies with the intent of character assassination on other websites.

Aimee is different. Her themes are religion, injustices and now...Mexican military incursions into the U.S. Who knows if she is legitimate or just a goof/troll? I am leaning towards thinking she is legitimate. I don't detect hatred or any political axe to grind.

Where she bears some similarities to retreads is: myopathy, vehemence and obcession. Her thinking appears to be muddled, but persuant to a particular theme.

...but in her last post she stated:
"The fact is that I would prefer not to be a part on "Baja Nomads"

Not that I shive a git one way or another.

[Edited on 8-15-2011 by durrelllrobert]

DENNIS - 8-15-2011 at 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
I wonder what answers would have come up if no Americans had been present. I stand by my original assertion.


It may have been interesting to hear their take on the rest of the same story....that is, how do they feel about Gen. Pershing pursuing Villa into Mexico.
I doubt the same indifference would have been heard.

Bajatripper - 8-15-2011 at 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajatripper
I wonder what answers would have come up if no Americans had been present. I stand by my original assertion.


It may have been interesting to hear their take on the rest of the same story....that is, how do they feel about Gen. Pershing pursuing Villa into Mexico.
I doubt the same indifference would have been heard.


I've got a real interesting article about that very subject that really put that expedition in a whole different light. I'd be happy to drop off a copy with you on my upcoming trip north, if you care.

JESSE - 8-16-2011 at 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajatripper
A real Mexican would likely take pride in such invasions


Not:rolleyes:


Out of curiosity, Jesse, how do you feel about Pancho Villa's midnight ramble through Colombus, New Mexico?


Villa was a revolutionary, a guerrilla fighter and an outlaw all in one. I see the raid simply with historical curiosity, but it doesn't mean much politically to me. It wasn't an action taken by the goverment, it was the action taken by a very interesting man who lived a very interesting life.

Depreator - 8-16-2011 at 02:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
A Mexican security helicopter landed at a Texas airport by mistake last week too. Oops. I think the places incursions occur should be fenced or a line drawn so everyone knows where the border is. If it was a big deal, there would be a fence- right? It also helps to recognize the USA flies military drones over Mexico collecting information and we have security operatives in Mexico... so it goes both ways.

[Edited on 8-11-2011 by Woooosh]


I would just like to let you guys know this kind of thing happens more then you think. I don't feel it is such a big deal as long the the two countries communicate about what has happened and why and maybe how to prevent it. Now others perhaps get upset by this when US military forces "accidently" enter Mexico in many cases makes an extremley big deal about it. Something to the effect that the "gringos" have violated "soverign" mexican territory. The US drone issue you bring up is true, but it is at the request of the Mexican government to help with their war on drugs, and this issue was kept quiet to the mexican people because if they knew US drones were in mexican airspace the people of mexico would be up in arms. I want to share with all of you an icident that happend in San Diego in 2007 when I was still on active duty. One of my sister units had boats operating out of Coronado NAB and it was the not the regular crews of these boats but some of the higher ups that wanted to take a joy ride. Well long story short they ended up in mexican waters by mistake, the mexican navy didn't do anything because they Identified the boats as being US military but they did make some phone calls one being to the Commander Navy Region Southwest to complain about "American Military Boats intruding Mexican waters." So not such a big deal unless it is the US miltary making the mistake.

Bajatripper - 8-17-2011 at 07:23 AM

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I've got a real interesting article about that very subject that really put that expedition in a whole different light. I'd be happy to drop off a copy with you on my upcoming trip north, if you care.


So Dennis, is that a "no, I don't care"?

DENNIS - 8-17-2011 at 07:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Villa was a revolutionary, a guerrilla fighter and an outlaw all in one. I see the raid simply with historical curiosity, but it doesn't mean much politically to me. It wasn't an action taken by the goverment, it was the action taken by a very interesting man who lived a very interesting life.


Actually, he was General of The Army of The North....as you know. It's difficult to imagine that someone that instrumental in the affairs of the country could fart without having implications to the business of the government.
That's pretty much as Carranza saw it as well. That's why he had him aerated in Parral.

DENNIS - 8-17-2011 at 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Quote:

I've got a real interesting article about that very subject that really put that expedition in a whole different light. I'd be happy to drop off a copy with you on my upcoming trip north, if you care.


So Dennis, is that a "no, I don't care"?


oooops...Didn't see this one, Steve. Thanks for the offer, but I can't make plans with so many variables.......when?

Barry A. - 8-17-2011 at 08:07 AM

In the late 1800's, the American Army invaded Mexico illegally several times looking for Geronimo and his band of followers, spending many days rambling about in Sonora and Chihuahua.

Tho a few got upset on both sides, most just ignored it.

To a much lesser degree, and on several occasions, fingers of Mexican Army regulars entered the USA in pursuit of------you guessed it-----Geronimo, and Cochise and Mangus Colorado, etc. etc.

Other than a flurry of diplomatic complaints, nothing further happened. Most simply felt that anything that resulted in the killing and capture of Apache was just fine.

Barry

DENNIS - 8-17-2011 at 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
In the late 1800's, the American Army invaded Mexico illegally several times looking for Geronimo and his band of followers, spending many days rambling about in Sonora and Chihuahua.



Yeah....Mexico was the Pakistan of our Wild West.

Go get'em, Boys. :biggrin:

Barry A. - 8-17-2011 at 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
In the late 1800's, the American Army invaded Mexico illegally several times looking for Geronimo and his band of followers, spending many days rambling about in Sonora and Chihuahua.



Yeah....Mexico was the Pakistan of our Wild West.

Go get'em, Boys. :biggrin:


Yep, but unlike Osama BL, the Army never caught Geronimo----he surrendered (several times), mostly on HIS terms, the last time in the remote Skeleton Canyon of SE Arizona-----My wife and I visited that site in our 4x4 about 9 years ago, and hung-out for a few hours--------lots of spirits were present, & there was a slight throbbing in the air, and eagles screamed at us as they circled above---------fun, fun!!!!!

Barry