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San Pedro Martir weather?¿

chrisx - 8-14-2011 at 05:47 PM

I got the idea September was the best time to go up to the top of the mountain and camp, explore etc. Anybody know when the most pleasant weather is up at San Pedro Martir?

Also 2 or 3 ideas what to do while at the top of Baja¿

David K - 8-14-2011 at 05:58 PM

Get Graham's book... Nearer My DOG To Thee http://www.grahammackintosh.com





[Edited on 8-15-2011 by David K]

DENNIS - 8-14-2011 at 06:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx

Also 2 or 3 ideas what to do while at the top of Baja¿



Fly a kite with a braided steel line tied around your neck while singing that pukey song, "You light up my life." :lol:

chrisx - 8-14-2011 at 06:46 PM

not available at libraries near you
I looked for it too
not much into Internet ordering myself
must be a good book if I looked in 10 different places for it
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Get Graham's book... Nearer My DOG To Thee http://www.grahammackintosh.com





[Edited on 8-15-2011 by David K]

I thought you said it was nice here

chrisx - 8-14-2011 at 06:49 PM

I thought you said it was nice here
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx

Also 2 or 3 ideas what to do while at the top of Baja¿



Fly a kite with a braided steel line tied around your neck while singing that pukey song, "You light up my life." :lol:

DENNIS - 8-14-2011 at 07:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx
I thought you said it was nice here


It is. What's the problem? Doncha like kites?

David K - 8-15-2011 at 09:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx
not available at libraries near you
I looked for it too
not much into Internet ordering myself
must be a good book if I looked in 10 different places for it

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Get Graham's book... Nearer My DOG To Thee http://www.grahammackintosh.com





[Edited on 8-15-2011 by David K]


Right, you will actually need a debit card or credit card to buy one off the Internet... the author is a Baja Nomad 'Graham'... You can send a check or money order to the address in the web site.

It is the finest source of information on the San Pedro Martir with personal experience of living there for a summer whaile hiking many miles in the timberland of Baja. Eating mushrooms is also documented... and that is all stuff you should dig Chris.

If you have been under a rock, Graham is the Englishman who walked the entire coastline of Baja in early 1980's (wrote 'Into a Desert Place')... then walked from Tecate to Loreto in 1997 with a burro to carry supplies and water (wrote 'Journey with a Baja Burro')... and most recently lived on an island in the Gulf of California (wrote 'Marooned with Very Little Beer').

durrelllrobert - 8-15-2011 at 11:59 AM

Jan is the safest time to ride a bike up the mountain :lol::lol:

bacquito - 8-16-2011 at 09:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx
not available at libraries near you
I looked for it too
not much into Internet ordering myself
must be a good book if I looked in 10 different places for it

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Get Graham's book... Nearer My DOG To Thee http://www.grahammackintosh.com





[Edited on 8-15-2011 by David K]


You might try calling Discover Baja-619-275-4225. They might have Graham's book on inventory. Good read. They will also try to sell you a membership for $39/yr.

David K - 8-16-2011 at 09:43 AM

They sell the books to non-members, no hassle, no try to's... IF you are a club member, then there is a discount.

Discover Baja has the largest selection of Baja books and maps for sale, in one spot to walk in customers.

chrisx - 8-16-2011 at 11:33 AM

http://www.discoverbaja.com/contact.html
I wonder, If I go to this address next week, Will I find a store room full of books and maps and such, or will I find some desks with computers and people answering phones, IE a mail order place with no store room floor.

If I order something over the phone, it will be shipped to my home address far to the north, and I will collect it in the spring.

Has anyone ever been there?

tripledigitken - 8-16-2011 at 11:54 AM

I would suggest you call or email them directly.

David K - 8-16-2011 at 10:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx
http://www.discoverbaja.com/contact.html
I wonder, If I go to this address next week, Will I find a store room full of books and maps and such, or will I find some desks with computers and people answering phones, IE a mail order place with no store room floor.

If I order something over the phone, it will be shipped to my home address far to the north, and I will collect it in the spring.

Has anyone ever been there?


I clearly stated that they have the largest selection of Baja books and maps on sale in San Diego... in their office, displayed on the wall as you walk in. They sell to anyone and give a discount to club members. Call first to confirm they have Graham's book in stock or whatever you seek.

Read a good book up there

mcfez - 8-16-2011 at 11:09 PM

Perhaps you can freshen up your insults.

book.jpg - 43kB

Maderita - 8-17-2011 at 12:49 AM

September should be a good time of year to visit. My opinion is that August/September is ideal. The plateau elevations are upwards of 8,000' to 9,000', so it is important to be familiar with weather conditions at that altitude.

Temperatures are generally 4 to 5 degrees Farenheit cooler per 1,000' of rise in elevation. So, it could be 110F in the desert to the east and 65 - 70F on the plateau. Days will likely be pleasant, tee-shirt weather, but nights could be chilly, with lows in the 40's.

If there is a monsoonal flow of moist tropical air moving over northern Baja, there can be thunderstorms and hail. Temperatures in the high mountains can drop quickly, so be prepared if you are hiking/backpacking. A common summer weather pattern is for clouds to build in the afternoon, sometimes letting loose in a downpour. Usually brief in duration, but they can be intense.

Mosquitos are usually not as thick in the late summer as they are in spring through early summer.

If you are experienced in routefinding/navigation, I'd recommend a day-hike to the summit of Cerro Botella Azul (Blue Bottle) with its superb views of the desert and Picacho del Diablo, or hike to the meadows of La Encantada and La Grulla.

As a climber, it goes without saying that the ultimate experience is to climb Picacho del Diablo. However, I would not recommend it unless the party has a few Sierra Nevada 3rd class peaks under their belts (or the equivalent). Allow 3 days for a first time ascent from the plateau. If you hike Blue Bottle, then Picacho del Diablo will look tantalizingly close, just begging for you to come back another time, prepared for an ascent.

astrobaja - 8-17-2011 at 09:19 AM

The normal monsoon we usually get here in the summer has been minimal this year. I agree end of aug and all of sept is the best time. Been pretty hot here the last few weeks, even up at the top its in the mid 20's (C).

chrisx - 8-17-2011 at 10:17 AM

I did not clearly read your statement

I did un clearly read the map, showing this store out of the way

thanks for clearly clarifying the unclear
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
]

I clearly stated that they have the largest selection of Baja books and maps on sale in San Diego... in their office, displayed on the wall as you walk in. They sell to anyone and give a discount to club members. Call first to confirm they have Graham's book in stock or whatever you seek.

chrisx - 8-17-2011 at 10:25 AM

Now that is a good answer!
Quote:
Originally posted by Maderita
September should be a good time of year to visit. My opinion is that August/September is ideal. The plateau elevations are upwards of 8,000' to 9,000', so it is important to be familiar with weather conditions at that altitude.

Temperatures are generally 4 to 5 degrees Farenheit cooler per 1,000' of rise in elevation. So, it could be 110F in the desert to the east and 65 - 70F on the plateau. Days will likely be pleasant, tee-shirt weather, but nights could be chilly, with lows in the 40's.

If there is a monsoonal flow of moist tropical air moving over northern Baja, there can be thunderstorms and hail. Temperatures in the high mountains can drop quickly, so be prepared if you are hiking/backpacking. A common summer weather pattern is for clouds to build in the afternoon, sometimes letting loose in a downpour. Usually brief in duration, but they can be intense.

Mosquitos are usually not as thick in the late summer as they are in spring through early summer.

If you are experienced in routefinding/navigation, I'd recommend a day-hike to the summit of Cerro Botella Azul (Blue Bottle) with its superb views of the desert and Picacho del Diablo, or hike to the meadows of La Encantada and La Grulla.

As a climber, it goes without saying that the ultimate experience is to climb Picacho del Diablo. However, I would not recommend it unless the party has a few Sierra Nevada 3rd class peaks under their belts (or the equivalent). Allow 3 days for a first time ascent from the plateau. If you hike Blue Bottle, then Picacho del Diablo will look tantalizingly close, just begging for you to come back another time, prepared for an ascent.

shari - 8-17-2011 at 10:34 AM

hey chris...make sure you drop in and visit astrobaja if you are in their neighbourhood...cool folks and great place.

chrisx - 8-17-2011 at 10:39 AM

astrobaja
Correct me if I am wrong. You rent cabins and camping space. The camping space includes plenty of water for washing and drinking. A person could stop there and camp for 1 night on the way up, and after 7 or 10 days camp again on the way down.

The question is, does one need a reservation, (which is a guess within a day or 2), or does one just show up and ask to rent a camping space?

chrisx - 8-17-2011 at 10:59 AM

Mcbeer

you should apologies to the world for existing


The moral of the story was, ¨everyone should be able to use the road in safety.¨

Why do you resist the idea of safe driving

Why do you want to kill people on bicycles

How many hit and runs have you be involved in so far

Everyone suffers through the alcoholism of mcbeer

Your alcoholism make the roads and the Internet unsafe
This is not a bar stool joke
This is real life
There is a cross about every 500 meters
This means that 2 people have died for every kilometer of paved shoulder-less road in Baja
Mcbeer, have a moment of clarity and figure out that you need to hit the brakes when you see something traveling at a different speed than you are
Mcbeer, drinking with a computer counts as drinking alone
Mcbeer, being reminded to drive right is not an insult
sober up man your hurting everyone
Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
Perhaps you can freshen up your insults.

chrisx - 8-17-2011 at 11:07 AM

Good morning!
Quote:
Originally posted by shari
hey chris...make sure you drop in and visit astrobaja if you are in their neighbourhood...cool folks and great place.

mtgoat666 - 8-17-2011 at 12:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx
Mcbeer

you should apologies to the world for existing


chrissy:
mcpez has a fat mouth, but is one of the good guys!

re spm in sept, go for it, great time of year (so is october and early november). i usually go in april and may, as water is more reliably found then. august and early sept (end of monsoon season) may have almost daily t-storms that make peak climbing a bit challenging.

do bottella azul hike. you should be able to camp below (ne of the peak), and perhaps even find flowing water in area. at botella azul and range crest south of park road, do a day hike or mtn bike first to get lay of land and explore area, approaches, etc., then come back next day and do backpacking or overnote on mtn back with panniers.

also, departing the old camp area below observatory, there are nice hikes or mtn bikes routes northward along range crest.

the peak bagging tourists always go south to el diablo and botella azul, so if you north of observatory, you will have entire mountain range crest to yourself.

take you mtn bike, lots of great off road, hard packed, many miles of old roads.

get jerry schaads map of the plateau, no other map or guide book will suffice if doing trails and exploring, but be forewarned, the trails on jerry's map are sketchy,... the roads are easy to find, the trails are so little used you won't be able to find them easily, if at all. the book by graham is great reading, but not a guide book.

chrisx - 8-17-2011 at 12:36 PM

¨jerry schaads map of the plateau¨
That is the name I forgot to remember
Your statement is useful and helpful; thank you


mcbeer repeatedly stressed a desire to kill people on bicycles
good guys do not wish to kill strangers
mcbeer is an alcoholic
note to mcbeer, take the bus if you don't know how to drive
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx
Mcbeer

you should apologies to the world for existing


chris:
mcbeer has a fat mouth, but is one of the bad guys!

re spm in sept, go for it, great time of year (so is october and early november). i usually go in april and may, as water is more reliably found then. august and early sept (end of monsoon season) may have almost daily t-storms that make peak climbing a bit challenging.

do bottella azul hike. you should be able to camp below (ne of the peak), and perhaps even find flowing water in area. at botella azul and range crest south of park road, do a day hike or mtn bike first to get lay of land and explore area, approaches, etc., then come back next day and do backpacking or overnote on mtn back with panniers.

also, departing the old camp area below observatory, there are nice hikes or mtn bikes routes northward along range crest.

the peak bagging tourists always go south to el diablo and botella azul, so if you north of observatory, you will have entire mountain range crest to yourself.

take you mtn bike, lots of great off road, hard packed, many miles of old roads.

get jerry schaads map of the plateau, no other map or guide book will suffice if doing trails and exploring, but be forewarned, the trails on jerry's map are sketchy,... the roads are easy to find, the trails are so little used you won't be able to find them easily, if at all. the book by graham is great reading, but not a guide book.

mcfez - 8-17-2011 at 01:11 PM

Here we go again.

When you get boxed in by others here...you automatically called them drunks. Then again...you make slanderous statements about others here, when the heat is on you. I'm a drunk? Please explain just exactly where you got that. I bet you be testifying under oath that I'm the Cookie Monster ...to add on to your stew of lies.



You been insulting the BN here since forever....anyone that searches your previous postings will see that you have been full of degrading remarks.

So we the BN's are nothing but drunks and fat old people according to your very own words.......post after post.

Man you you little twerp, and apologize.
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are there any baja forums for sober people? Suffering through someones addiction on the road is horrible! Suffering through an alcoholics typing is also horrible.
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Let's not forget that you are the one that admitted lighting fireworks ...not giving a damn about scaring the animals and little children. Did I forget to say you ended up in back of a cop car for that? Oh....then you bribe the officers. Another fool that caters to Baja police corruption. This now....sounds like a drunk.

Read all about in in this topic YOU posted:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=50060#pid5813...

I'm just going keep pounding away each time you post....to let all BN's here know that you are one rude fool.



BTW: I can, as you have...reword the quotes as well........

[Edited on 8-17-2011 by mcfez]

David K - 8-17-2011 at 01:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx
¨jerry schaads map of the plateau¨
That is the name I forgot to remember
Your statement is useful and helpful; thank you


mcbeer repeatedly stressed a desire to kill people on bicycles
good guys do not wish to kill strangers
mcbeer is an alcoholic
note to mcbeer, take the bus if you don't know how to drive

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx
Mcbeer

you should apologies to the world for existing


chris:
mcbeer has a fat mouth, but is one of the bad guys!

re spm in sept, go for it, great time of year (so is october and early november). i usually go in april and may, as water is more reliably found then. august and early sept (end of monsoon season) may have almost daily t-storms that make peak climbing a bit challenging.

do bottella azul hike. you should be able to camp below (ne of the peak), and perhaps even find flowing water in area. at botella azul and range crest south of park road, do a day hike or mtn bike first to get lay of land and explore area, approaches, etc., then come back next day and do backpacking or overnote on mtn back with panniers.

also, departing the old camp area below observatory, there are nice hikes or mtn bikes routes northward along range crest.

the peak bagging tourists always go south to el diablo and botella azul, so if you north of observatory, you will have entire mountain range crest to yourself.

take you mtn bike, lots of great off road, hard packed, many miles of old roads.

get jerry schaads map of the plateau, no other map or guide book will suffice if doing trails and exploring, but be forewarned, the trails on jerry's map are sketchy,... the roads are easy to find, the trails are so little used you won't be able to find them easily, if at all. the book by graham is great reading, but not a guide book.


Jerry's map is on my web site, under Climbing Diablo Mountain, in Links to Specific Baja Locations.

Maderita - 8-17-2011 at 03:55 PM

I hope that mtgoat666 intended to write "NW" instead of "do bottella azul hike. you should be able to camp below (ne of the peak)."
Northeast would put you in a steep gully, class 2 to 3, dropping down into Diablo Canyon.

Back in the 90's it was posible to drive to Los Llanitos meadow, where there are aspens and water. I've heard that the road has been blocked off a few miles north of there (south of Vallecitos meadow).

mtgoat666 - 8-17-2011 at 05:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Maderita
I hope that mtgoat666 intended to write "NW" instead of "do bottella azul hike. you should be able to camp below (ne of the peak)."
Northeast would put you in a steep gully, class 2 to 3, dropping down into Diablo Canyon.


ya, "nw"

mtgoat666 - 8-17-2011 at 05:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx
mcbeer repeatedly stressed a desire to kill people on bicycles
good guys do not wish to kill strangers


hhmmmm,....
maybe mcbeer is a bad guy. i will have to watch out for his anti-bike opinions. would be disappointing to think he is one of the @ssholes on the road....

mtgoat666 - 8-17-2011 at 05:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
So we the BN's are nothing but drunks and fat old people according to your very own words.......post after post.


in this, chrissy may be mostly correct.

wilderone - 8-17-2011 at 06:57 PM

"...jerry schaads map of the plateau¨

Not to hijack, but do you all know that Jerry Schad is dying of kidney cancer? Has just a few months. He got married not very long ago. So very sad. Such a lovely person.

Chris, you have enough to go on. It's a pine forest. Go. Tell us about it.

chrisx - 8-17-2011 at 07:15 PM

pine forest sounds good

David K - 8-18-2011 at 11:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisx
pine forest sounds good


From my camera, and posted on VivaBaja.com in the 2000 trip with Lorenzo page...











astrobaja - 8-19-2011 at 09:35 AM

Chris:

To answer your question, yes you do need to make reservations. We have a gate out at km 67 that we would need to leave open for you.

cheers

Mike