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Now the criminals are targeting teachers

805gregg - 9-3-2011 at 05:05 PM

An article on Algezerra explains how the criminals in Alcapulco are targeting the school teachers for extoration, demanding 1/2 their salary. Four teachers have disappeared. The chief of police blamed the citizens for not trusting the police ( I wonder why?). Who's next?

akshadow - 9-3-2011 at 05:52 PM

This activity will have an even more devastating impact on tourism than the drug cartels attacking each other.
If they would do this to the group of people who have the greatest chance of improving the future of their country what will they do to tourists?

JESSE - 9-3-2011 at 05:59 PM

And this has to do with baja???

DENNIS - 9-3-2011 at 06:02 PM

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And this has to do with baja???

Can't be sure at this point. Maybe a lot.
Are you suggesting the cancer can't spread to Baja...if it hasn't already?

Woooosh - 9-3-2011 at 06:08 PM

Nothing new. They did it here a few years ago too. Money is money to them.

JESSE - 9-3-2011 at 06:09 PM

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And this has to do with baja???

Can't be sure at this point. Maybe a lot.
Are you suggesting the cancer can't spread to Baja...if it hasn't already?

The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

DENNIS - 9-3-2011 at 06:14 PM

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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?

All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here?

JESSE - 9-3-2011 at 06:18 PM

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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?

All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here?

Why? because the cartels operating there are very diferent, its like comparing the Italian mafia to the Chinese triads, diferent methods, diferent way of doing business. Guerrero is also a state with a huge sierra, large population of illiterate people, guerrillas, and a long history of rebels and violence. Baja sur is nothing like that.

DENNIS - 9-3-2011 at 06:54 PM

OK....you make a good arguement.....and burger.

Woooosh - 9-4-2011 at 10:55 AM

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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?

All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here?

Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.

JESSE - 9-4-2011 at 11:01 AM

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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?

All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here?

Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.

"Coming to baja"? LOL!!!!!! maybe you have been under a rock wooosh, but it already tried to happen in Tijuana remember? last month there where 8 drug related murders in TJ, down from what? 80???

I think we are handling it pretty well, why?

BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GUERRERO OR THE MAINLAND!!!

Woooosh - 9-4-2011 at 11:46 AM

and on twitter?

http://news.yahoo.com/2-mexicans-deny-terrorism-face-30-year...

Cypress - 9-4-2011 at 11:47 AM

Shaking down teachers? They must be getting desperate!

By the way, the "not Baja crowd" is good at stating the obvious. A post is a post. It's all interesting and Baja belongs to Mexico.

Woooosh - 9-4-2011 at 11:48 AM

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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?

All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here?

Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.

We had four killed in Rosarito just this week alone.. better check your numbers. If you think you will prove Mexico is safe (to anyone of moderate intelligence) using Mexico-supplied crime statistics you are truly a fool. El Teo lived near you in La Paz and near me in Rosarito Popotla. How soon you forget his sidekick- the pozolero.

New wikileak: 50% of TJ Cops were corrupt and working for the cartels as recently as 2009. How does that help your numbers or do the corrupt police fill out reports for everyone they kill?

"Un cable revela que la propia SSP estatal calculó hace dos años que 50% de la fuerza policial trabajaba para los cárteles."

in this article: http://rosaritoenlanoticia.blogspot.com/2011/09/wikileaks-ex...

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comitan - 9-4-2011 at 12:24 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/2-mexicans-deny-terrorism-face-30-year...

Woooosh - 9-4-2011 at 12:34 PM

The right to free speech is always the first to go... jail time for re-posting a tweet?

DENNIS - 9-4-2011 at 12:48 PM

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The right to free speech is always the first to go... jail time for re-posting a tweet?

Thirty years? I don't think murderers get that much time.

Woooosh - 9-4-2011 at 01:57 PM

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The right to free speech is always the first to go... jail time for re-posting a tweet?

Thirty years? I don't think murderers get that much time.

Time? They don't even look for them. El Guicho (successor to El Teo) "broke out" of his guarded hospital room a few months ago and... pooof! gone. Not a word about him in the press, or about the huge manhunt that must be taking place. And re-posting a tweet will get some "unconnected" poor soul 30 years in jail?

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/3107...

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JESSE - 9-4-2011 at 02:18 PM

The ignorant Mexico bashers will always ignore reality in order to do their thing.

comitan - 9-4-2011 at 02:19 PM

Excerpt from Blogger in Monterey.

The attack on the casino has turned into a major scandal and one that continues to unweave itself as we speak. They are kicking butt and killing or capturing so many bad guys it is historical. There are more military, federal and state police roaming the streets of the Monterrey metro area. I am hoping that all of this has reached its peak and we will be on the road to recovery. Many towns in the neighboring state of Tamaulipas have been returned to their citizens and in very good condition, painted, cleaned up with houses, businesses, parks, plazas and streets being repaired. We are seeing some good news now for a change. :bounce:

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Oddjob - 9-4-2011 at 03:04 PM

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Things are looking a lot better in TJ. Make my burger medium rare.

http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/18015/15-people-killed-i...

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JESSE - 9-4-2011 at 03:13 PM

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"Coming to baja"? LOL!!!!!! maybe you have been under a rock wooosh, but it already tried to happen in Tijuana remember? last month there where 8 drug related murders in TJ, down from what? 80???

I think we are handling it pretty well, why?

BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GUERRERO OR THE MAINLAND!!!

Things are looking a lot better in TJ. Make my burger medium rare.

http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/18015/15-people-killed-i...

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Not even 1 murder should be acceptable, but the FACT is, back a few years it was 15 people in ONE DAY. What ever you say, cannot deny the fact that murders in TJ are down considerable. Most of my friends that went to San Diego qhen things got hard, are back in TJ and doing good.

Woooosh - 9-4-2011 at 06:55 PM

If crime is down, it isn't because of the hard work anyone has done. It is because a truce has been made to save Mexico from the greed it lived and would have died by. Little by little the narcos will operate under the radar- just like before. But this time they will do so knowing they tested the waters and won, and now they will own Mexico.

CaboRon - 9-4-2011 at 07:02 PM

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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?

All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here?

Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.

Totally

JESSE - 9-4-2011 at 07:03 PM

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If crime is down, it isn't because of the hard work anyone has done. It is because a truce has been made to save Mexico from the greed it lived and would have died by. Little by little the narcos will operate under the radar- just like before. But this time they will do so knowing they tested the waters and won, and now they will own Mexico.

LMFAO!!!!!! so now you have inside information from the drug cartels?? :lol:

Terry28 - 9-4-2011 at 08:01 PM

Oh boy!! a urinating contest....popcorn anyone??

Woooosh - 9-4-2011 at 08:35 PM

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LMFAO!!!!!! so now you have inside information from the drug cartels?? :lol:

You can't determine what is happening by listening to the same doublespeak over and over. You learn by watching actions- noting what changes and why, and who benefits.

djh - 9-4-2011 at 09:24 PM

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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?

All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here?

Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.

Jesse,

Elite Nomad or just elitist.... Your opinions are no more accurate or valid than the other posters here who disagree with you. I welcome and value the original post as a BCS resident and property owner. And FYI it IS related... Baja is still part of Mexico, last time I checked, and most of us do want to be aware of such things. If you don't want to know, then move on to another thread or go burry your head in the sand . . . Or wherever else suits you.

Lobsterman - 9-5-2011 at 06:27 AM

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/08/acapulco-update.html

JESSE - 9-5-2011 at 12:45 PM

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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?

All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here?

Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.

1-I never said my opinion was more accurate or valid, i am having a disagreement with someone, and having a debate about it.

2-If you like or welcome the value of the original post, then good for you, but it is IS NOT related, and its not related because ITS A BAJA NEWS section, and those news are not from BAJA. If it was related, you can post just about anything happening in Mexico here, political, financial, social, etc etc etc there would be no end, as any major problem or news MIGHT affect us here in Baja.

3.As for your last comment, it is clear you need some constipation medicine, so lighten up!!

JESSE - 9-5-2011 at 12:54 PM

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LMFAO!!!!!! so now you have inside information from the drug cartels?? :lol:

You can't determine what is happening by listening to the same doublespeak over and over. You learn by watching actions- noting what changes and why, and who benefits.

Its all just your grim, fatalistic, and dark opinion that mirrors something else in your life. The FACTS are there, TJ is coming back, people are opening bussineses, most of my friends are back living in Tijuana, theres plenty of news articles in both the US and Mexico that testify to this. I go to TJ every few months or so and the city feels like its old self again, everyone says so, friends, family.

If some people don't consider an improvement reducing murders from 15 a day, to 15 a week or whatever, then they are obviously not objective people because of something else that is going on in their lives.

DENNIS - 9-5-2011 at 01:21 PM

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a lot of the negative stuff you see here is just personal, not real.

I'll have to go to Sharky's and think about that one, Jesse, although I think I know what you mean.

comitan - 9-5-2011 at 01:30 PM

Another Blog opinion:

With all that is happening it is amazing to see how the Mexican economy continues to thrive. In the past, our biggest enemy was the U.S. economy, it was a driver for us here. What happened there affected us here. That, I believe, is no longer true. Here are some basic facts:

Taxes collected for the first six months of this year topped 60 billion dollars, the highest recorded amount ever. An additional capital gains tax brought in an additional 30 billion dollars.

The number of new taxpayers for the same period increased 47% since Calderon took office.

The Mexican stock market has maintained highs for over the last year regardless of Wall Streets activity.

The dollar is at it lowest point in over two years.

Mexico has cash reserves of 99 billion dollars and a debt of 212 billion, makes you wonder how the U.S. got to 13.4 trillion and we wonder who is corrupt.

From a security standpoint the numbers are hard to arrive at. Many people here just don't report crimes for a variety of reasons. Like us, if someone broke out a car window I wouldn't report it. I simply call my insurance company and they give me a report number that I take to the repair shop. Shame on me as it reduces the actual number of crimes that do exist.

Stolen cars seem to be on everyone's list this year in Mexico but keep in mind some countries report over 1 million stolen vehicles a year. So we kind of pale in comparison. On the other hand, our individual safety seems to be the number one issue. As you have probably noticed I don't mention any group names or locations as the bad guys are now utilizing the internet as well. But, they aren't after foreigners. The total number of American kidnapped in the last 6 years totals 120 and of that reported number 70 were involved in the trade. The rest are cases considered resolved but suspect.

For some people who are in a mixed nationality relationship it does get scary. Being a foreigner some people assume that they have money and that could put their loved ones at risk, although I personally have not heard of any cases like that, it is my concern on a daily basis. But as the years go by we find that we continue to live our lives as we have over the last 26 years here. We have never heard or seen any activity and we go about our daily business as usual.

As for peaceful demonstrations, there are always some going on. The latest yesterday to impeach the president drew a paltry 1000 people. Keep in mind, elections are coming next year and so everyone is on the bandwagon. I take them all with a grain of salt and see no personal threat or to the country as a whole. The elections will bring a major change in the fight against crime. I feel that the new president, pressured by congress and their constituents, will cave into popular belief that we not use military and return to the days of turning the other way. Good or bad, I believe it is a moral issue that will have to be dealt with.

What I find interesting though, is that the bad guys never win when confronted by the military. They lose hands down. This is what has attributed to the 42,000 deaths since the president took office. For me, a good thing, for our friends who believe in human rights at the cost of killing the victim, that is another story. Where is the fight going? The breakdown of major groups into smaller ones has actually created more problems. These smaller groups have become rag-tag forces attempting to take control of major routes. They will never win but are wreaking havoc among the general population. Give a bad guy a gun and he owns the world. On the other hand, we receive no help from our neighbors to the north, reiterating what I have said before, we continue to receive illegal arms across the border that are sold in mass by the 6,500 new gun stores that have opened along the border not to mention the millions of illegal substance users who continue to purchase illegal drugs.

Woooosh - 9-5-2011 at 02:34 PM

SDUT... "Cartels Still in Control of TJ"

http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/18267/Cartels-still-in-c...

... credits the drop in violence to an agreement between the home-grown Arellano Félix cartel and the one from Sinaloa that has divided control of the border region.

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woody with a view - 9-5-2011 at 02:38 PM

Comitan, buddy. Mexico receives 2 billion dollars "HELP" from the north every year, MINIMUM! it is called the Merida Initiative. i'd call it MIERDA, but i'm just a simple man, and that doesn't count Peso inflows from the paisa's NOB. how else is the Mex Gov't paying for the road construction/soldiers at every checkpoint/social programs? Oil? doubtful. Tourism? haha. Better allocation of the taxes recieved? hmmmmm?

we are all in a bad sort. the "little man" is currently circling the drain, me included. understand it or drown....

djh - 9-5-2011 at 10:21 PM

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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?

All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here?

Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.

1-I never said my opinion was more accurate or valid, i am having a disagreement with someone, and having a debate about it.

2-If you like or welcome the value of the original post, then good for you, but it is IS NOT related, and its not related because ITS A BAJA NEWS section, and those (I think you mean "that) news are (is) not from BAJA. If it was related, you can (could) post just about anything happening in Mexico here, political, financial, social, etc etc etc there would be no end, as any major problem or news MIGHT affect us here in Baja.

3.As for your last comment, it is clear you need some constipation medicine, so lighten up!!

sooooo Ok:

1. . . and I didn't say you said it... You don't need to... Your chronic ad-noseum posting of your self righteous opinions really needs no explanation.

2. Who made you the Nomad Police? As much as you've pontificated on this thread, and how it doesn't relate to Baja (Tijuana, your friends, BCS, etc., etc.) I think it hypocritical to say this isn't Baja related and then continue to stir yer own turd... Speaking of "no end"....

3. . . And speaking of constipation, you're clearly way ahead of me in the F.O.S. Department . . Better eat some of yer own cookin' there chef.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets tired of the same dozen or so arrogant, know-it-all bullies on BajaNomad.... I have to say it feels ok to tell at least one (in a slightly more mild way) to STFU.

JESSE - 9-5-2011 at 11:58 PM

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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?

All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here?

Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.

1-I never said my opinion was more accurate or valid, i am having a disagreement with someone, and having a debate about it.

2-If you like or welcome the value of the original post, then good for you, but it is IS NOT related, and its not related because ITS A BAJA NEWS section, and those (I think you mean "that) news are (is) not from BAJA. If it was related, you can (could) post just about anything happening in Mexico here, political, financial, social, etc etc etc there would be no end, as any major problem or news MIGHT affect us here in Baja.

3.As for your last comment, it is clear you need some constipation medicine, so lighten up!!

I see your profile claims your a counselor and mediator? well, i am just a chef, and like most chefs, i am a little crazy. I was going to give you a tough, long, scolding response, but you know what? ther is no need for that.

That group of "arrogant, know-it-all bullies" are not "arrogant, know-it-all bullies", they are simply a bunch of guys and gals that collectively have traveled this peninsula like very few people on this earth have, that have lived here enough time to know who the fathers of the locals are, and have friends all over the place who are retired here, who are fishermen, who are police, who are politicians, who are carpenters, who are military, who are taco vendors, etc etc. The "bullies" like you claim, know baja, and not just because they say so, but because since the amigos board, they have posted proven, worth while, accurate information about the ins and outs of the peninsula. Something that those that don't like them, never or rarely do.

I am just one of the few mexican voices here, i always felt it was important to have a mexican perspective here. Some dont like it, some would love this to be an all non mexican board so they could truly bully those that really know their stuff simply by saying, "your just like me" "your opinion is not better than mine". Many times having a local telling it like it is and showing that these "arrogants" are correct, really angers some. But that is not my problem, its theirs. Over the years, in security matters related to baja, i have a pretty good record, predicted the cartel war in TJ from 2006 to 2010, predicted its end, posted about Tijuana coming back, and now major newspapers all over the US are writting about a Tijuana comeback. I am not saying i am great, i am perfect, i know it all, i am just saying in security matters i know my stuff. If you have to ask why or how, then you havent been long enough on this board. In my line of work we get to make friends with the people who run the state, who know whats going on, and all i do is pass on the info i get from these guys to nomads. If i get a little inflexible about my opinions, you have to understand me, its because its hard to not defend what you heard from the top head of a police agency about the situation here in baja, against what a guy from who knows where thinks it is.

Everybody that knows me personally, knows i am a simple man, no arrogance here at all, i am just a nomad, a mexican born here in baja, that happens to have a job where i can get valuable info to my friends. Those that don't want to take it, thats fine, but they are not going to stop me just because they don't like me.

Cheers!!

Lobsterman - 9-6-2011 at 07:34 AM

Jesse,
Since most of these important baja people, police chiefs, politicians and the likes are probably corrupt and take brides how can you trust what they say? They are probably using you as a pawn to pass on disinformation they want others to hear to further their corrupt interprises. Look how you screwed the original owner (RIP) of the restaurant you now own with help from those corrupt ones.

gnukid - 9-6-2011 at 08:30 AM

It's seems a bit odd to me that while most Nomads are apparently over 55 or so, often retired people, that most should be able to recall clearly, the history of the world, namely aggressions in Laos under the guise of the war in Viet Nam, with a vast network built by Richard Secord and CIA/Military for running drugs, often heroin. But they don't.

Or perhaps the Church investigations which were well publicized Senate level investigations which investigated the secret aggressions of the USA, all illegal and numbering in the thousands.

More commonly people may recall Iran Contra where Reagan was found to have lied or "he didn't know" that his own team were illegally trading vast overpriced weapons caches for money that was washed through drug sales for the purpose of funding terrorism or as some would phrase rebels or freedom fighters. In the end under any analysis these are all aggressions against people, most often poor people, all for profit while so many people die, often many children.

Most also know of the aggressions in Iraq, now shown to a miscommunication or lie, and now 10 years in Afghanistan, and so many deaths all for the resources of drugs and oil and others metals, and treasures, billions of dollars of profit made in illegal wars that do not help people, they are designed to kill people, the citizens are the primary targets of these aggressions.

Now, it's odd with the knowledge and awareness of thousands of illegal aggressions, well documented and publicized if anyone was paying attention, now, Nomads with full awareness of the world around them, one which they participate in and support, now they would prefer to insult each other and make childish insinuations as opposed to fact driven dialogue, discussion about real solutions to end the criminal exploitation of countries around the world for nothing more than the profit of a billions and trillions while so many innocent people suffer and die.

What possible justification or purpose does it serve to attack neighbors instead of the guilty parties.

What are solutions to the proliferation of militarized industrial drug running secret military operations that hurt innocent neighbors while profiting a few?

How is it possible that those who served, those who lived through this are in denial of the facts about who, what and where while it is printed in text books, senate testimony and would have been or should have been common knowledge to each Nomad?

Some of the very participants have spoken loudly to ask the people to stand up and participate in solutions, such as Eisnenhower speech about the military industrial complex, JFK speech about secrecy, and MLK.

At some points, I get the feeling that some Nomads have selective memory, or perhaps no memory at all about the last 60 years, or perhaps would prefer to live in denial of the world that we live in and how it works.

It seems far more productive and exciting to live in the world that exists and participate in that world instead of an imaginary one that denies or dismisses the transgressions of the CIA over the last 50 years, not so unlike it's counterparts in other parts of the world who run amok without laws, and causing destruction for their private gain.

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Oddjob - 9-6-2011 at 09:47 AM

Where did this come from? This thread is about the sad state of affairs in Mexico, with the teachers being extorted and certain Nomads distorting the facts of what is actually happening in Baja.

wessongroup - 9-6-2011 at 10:12 AM

It is all tied together.... one way or the other..... "Billings Ball of Yarn"...

JoeJustJoe - 9-6-2011 at 10:53 AM

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LMFAO!!!!!! so now you have inside information from the drug cartels?? :lol:

Well said, Jesse.

It's about time somebody calls Woooosh on his supposedly inside information on how the drug cartels work.

JoeJustJoe - 9-6-2011 at 11:07 AM

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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals.

Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?

All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here?

Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.

I just love the "alarmist" type posting that use a number of shooting in anywhere in Mexico to try to show everywhere in Mexico is extremely dangerous.

Using Woooosh's logic no American should visit New York city anymore after what happened this weekend.

First there was a report of 24 shootings in 24 hours in New York!

But now the shootings are up over 40 shooting in NYC over the 3 day weekend!

I'm waiting for Woooosh to sound the 'alarmist' bell on "Nomad" forum that the USA is too dangerous, especially New York City.

More than 40 shot in New York City over holiday weekend (UPDATES)

An outbreak of shootings across New York City over Labor Day weekend – including three at the annual West Indian-American Day parade in Brooklyn – has left more than 40 people injured and five dead.

An outbreak of shootings across New York City over Labor Day weekend – including three at the annual West Indian Day parade in Brooklyn – has left more than 40 people injured and five dead.

The first shooting took place at 6 a.m. Saturday, when a 35-year-old woman was shot and wounded on the corner of Saratoga Ave. and Newport St. in Brooklyn. During the next 24 hours, 23 more people were shot in 13 separate incidents, according to the New York Daily News.

Eight people were shot at a backyard party in the Bronx neighborhood of Williamsbridge on Sunday around 3:30 a.m, the New York Times reports. The wounded included an 11-year-old boy and two girls, ages 13 and 14. Police suspected a 17-year-old was the shooter, and they were looking for him.

Four men were shot at a barbecue in Brooklyn’s East Flatbush neighborhood early Monday morning, NBC News reports. One of the victims, 17-year-old Tyrief Gary, died.

Another fatal shooting occurred at a home in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, where a 30-year-old man was found just after 2 a.m. on Sunday.

At Monday’s West Indian Day celebration in Brooklyn, two men were shot – one in the leg and one in the stomach – in broad daylight along the parade route, police told NBC News. The shooter fled on foot. A third person was shot in the leg at the parade later in the afternoon.

Finally, just after 9 p.m., 32-year-old Leroy Webster shot and killed 29-year-old Eusi Johnson, a man he had reportedly argued with earlier that evening, on Franklin Ave. in Brooklyn, about four blocks from the West Indian Day parade route. He also killed Denise Gay, a woman sitting on a nearby stoop with her adult daughter, and fired at police officers who were in the neighborhood following the parade, the New York Times reports. Webster wounded two officers. Police then killed Webster.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a longtime anti-gun activist, reminded New Yorkers that, despite the weekend’s violence, the city's crime rate is the lowest in the country.

“Unfortunately, we're going to have to keep fighting,” he said, according to NY1 News. “We just shouldn't be fighting it alone. We really do need the federal government to help in terms of getting guns off the streets.”

read the rest:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/uni...

JESSE - 9-6-2011 at 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Lobsterman
Jesse,
Since most of these important baja people, police chiefs, politicians and the likes are probably corrupt and take brides how can you trust what they say? They are probably using you as a pawn to pass on disinformation they want others to hear to further their corrupt interprises. Look how you screwed the original owner (RIP) of the restaurant you now own with help from those corrupt ones.

They might be corrupt, but in private, they tell things the way they are, not the way they tell the media how it is.

As for your comment about me screwing my ex partner, you don't know anything except for the lies and half truths of one side. I can post the entire story with actual written and legal proof i was the one that was tried to get screwed, and if i havent, is because here in La paz most people (customers and friends) knew what happened and was on my side so there is no need.

I just want to you know that for many years, i have abstained about posting the complete story as i felt it was pointless, but now that some are using a fake, full of lies, bullchit story that some wackoo put togheter with lies, half truths, and some facts, i don't think it would be cool that for the amusement of some pond scum in this board, to taint the memory of someone who is not here.

drarroyo - 9-6-2011 at 11:21 AM

48 shot in NYC over the weekend
3 just blown away at a Carson City IHOP
bladdy blah blah

comitan - 9-6-2011 at 12:10 PM

lencho

Well said. You do not need to defend yourself. :no:

JoeJustJoe - 9-6-2011 at 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE

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They might be corrupt, but in private, they tell things the way they are, not the way they tell the media how it is.

As for your comment about me screwing my ex partner, you don't know anything except for the lies and half truths of one side. I can post the entire story with actual written and legal proof i was the one that was tried to get screwed, and if i havent, is because here in La paz most people (customers and friends) knew what happened and was on my side so there is no need.

I just want to you know that for many years, i have abstained about posting the complete story as i felt it was pointless, but now that some are using a fake, full of lies, bullpuckey story that some wackoo put togheter with lies, half truths, and some facts, i don't think it would be cool that for the amusement of some pond scum in this board, to taint the memory of someone who is not here.

I agree you should never have to defend yourself from such baseless attacks Lobsterman accused you of after reading it on some rinky-dinky anti-Mexican-Muslim hate forum.

Guys like Lobsterman will choose to believe almost all pure fiction. There is nothing you can do about these types like Lobsterman. Who cares what they believe. Just let them wallow in their hate.

Jesse like you. I been accused of lots of thing. Almost all of them untrue. ( I would say 10 percent of what they say about me is true, but the other 90 percent is all lies, but it's that 10 percent that gives them a little creditably so they could spread the other lies ) Lobsterman use to come here with direct quotes with tabloid style writing about me, but it was so long and stupid Doug just deleted most of the stuff.

Lobsterman I'm still waiting for that apology because everything you accused me of was proven wrong.

Jesse, I sure don't believe those things said about you, and I believe most NOMAD members don't either, but there will always be guys like Lobsterman and their ilk.

Don't give them the satisfaction.

JESSE - 9-6-2011 at 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

Quote:

Originally posted by JESSE
As for your comment about me screwing my ex partner, you don't know anything except for the lies and half truths of one side. I can post the entire story with actual written and legal proof...

Contraproductivo-- if you have a clean conscience, there's no need to defend yourself against that sort of attack.

I havent in over 3 yrs, and i wont, even do its hard to see so many lies and not respond to them, but i am better than that.

jbcoug - 9-6-2011 at 03:19 PM

Gnu,

What the heck were you trying to say? After tumbling through that whole convoluted lot, I'm not even sure what topic you were writing about. Boil that down to under a hundred words and have it make a point.

John

gnukid - 9-6-2011 at 03:54 PM

There is a direct parallel to teachers (civilians) in Mexico being targeted to teachers in Laos or Afghanistan or Iraq being targeted. Drug trade has a long and consistent path, drugs are not run by some random person in a van delivering billions of dollars of drugs and weapons cache.

This is systematic, long running, super profitable and destructive behavior by identifiable people that each Nomad should be aware of through reading the paper. Unfortunately, it seems most here prefer to live in denial of the world around them, with a pollyanna view of the industrial complexes that distribute weapons, drugs and launder money for the benefit of very few at the cost of the rest of us.

Has anyone every heard of the East India Company, it is no different today than in history?

In any case, whatever your interpretation, beating each other up here is of little value while considering the true culprits who are identified is far more productive.

At least if you choose to mouth off here you could do your homework.

wessongroup - 9-6-2011 at 04:08 PM

Yep... and almost 90% of the smack comes from Afghanistan ... or maybe Burma is going to try for a come back..

And Gee, how many folks we got over there... and we can't do anything ... :lol:

for how many years.,.. what's that, coming up on a decade... WOW

Ah ... gnu.. just think, if there had NOT been an East India Trading Company.. we wouldn't have had Tyrone Power in Lives of a Bengal Lancer... just saying ... :biggrin:

not forgetting Shirley Temple among many others...

Shirley Temple ?

MrBillM - 9-6-2011 at 04:35 PM

As a Bengal Lancer ?

805gregg - 9-6-2011 at 06:51 PM

I didn't mean this to turn into a big drama, what happens in one part of Mexico, can and probably will happen in other areas, just a heads up. I thought the best part was that the chief of Police said it was happening because the people didn't trust the police, I wonder why? If your invested in Baja, home, business, etc I could see why you would not want this to happen, will your wish make it true?

wessongroup - 9-6-2011 at 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
As a Bengal Lancer ?

Was thinking of movies who used Mt Whitney as a back drop for the Kyber Pass ...

Think it was Wee Willie Winkie

slimshady - 9-6-2011 at 10:12 PM

I think they call those Unions here in the States.

CaboRon - 9-13-2011 at 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid
There is a direct parallel to teachers (civilians) in Mexico being targeted to teachers in Laos or Afghanistan or Iraq being targeted. Drug trade has a long and consistent path, drugs are not run by some random person in a van delivering billions of dollars of drugs and weapons cache.

This is systematic, long running, super profitable and destructive behavior by identifiable people that each Nomad should be aware of through reading the paper. Unfortunately, it seems most here prefer to live in denial of the world around them, with a pollyanna view of the industrial complexes that distribute weapons, drugs and launder money for the benefit of very few at the cost of the rest of us.

Has anyone every heard of the East India Company, it is no different today than in history?

In any case, whatever your interpretation, beating each other up here is of little value while considering the true culprits who are identified is far more productive.

At least if you choose to mouth off here you could do your homework.

Well said

Woooosh - 9-17-2011 at 12:01 PM

You win Jesse. In Tijuana they are making the children pay to get home safely and are leaving the teachers alone. better?

http://www.afntijuana.info/informacion_general/3772_cobran_d...

Charge "dues" to students:

TIJUANA BC 15 SEPTEMBER 2011 (AFN) .- Rogelio Gudino Alejandro Valenzuela General Secretary of SNTE Section 2 of the reported cases that are occurring collection of "dues" to students in some schools in the city, which already have been detected.

In an interview with News Agency Tijuana Border, the teachers union representative specifically said they found two schools where education: Secondary School No. 42 and No. 45, one located in the Pan American colony and the other to the East of the city.

According to him, for dismissal of the schools mentioned in the evening shifts, students are victims of vandals who require them to pay a "fee" to leave school safely and reach their homes.

The interviewee said that this is a serious problem that adds to the acts of violence that have occurred on this border and that have affected the population. He did know that already filing complaints and expect prompt action of the authorities.

The Secretary General of Section 2 of the teachers felt that should be taken to avoid cases of this nature, and others that lead to preserve the integrity of students, such as "Operation Backpack" to detect if some children, teenagers or youth are prohibited or drugs in their belongings.

It also considered vital to work in coordination with parents and that they are directly involved in the education of their children, and reiterated that the family "is the core of our society."

DENNIS - 9-17-2011 at 12:15 PM

Jeeeezo....that is so freakin' sick. It's a criminal's world out here.

Woooosh - 9-17-2011 at 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Jeeeezo....that is so freakin' sick. It's a criminal's world out here.

Well maybe it's for the best. The younger Mexican children accept the corruption and learn to pay a mordida the better they will do in their society when they grow up to be corrupt officials.

DENNIS - 9-17-2011 at 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
The younger Mexican children accept the corruption and learn to pay a mordida the better they will do in their society when they grow up to be corrupt officials.

Ohhhlordy..........well, they won't all be in the government...I hope.
What are they squeezing from these kids? Their lunch money?

Cypress - 9-17-2011 at 01:18 PM

What a joke! :biggrin:

Woooosh - 9-17-2011 at 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh
The younger Mexican children accept the corruption and learn to pay a mordida the better they will do in their society when they grow up to be corrupt officials.

Ohhhlordy..........well, they won't all be in the government...I hope.
What are they squeezing from these kids? Their lunch money?

I doubt they get much money- it's the power trip they are after. They know once the word gets out everyone will give them the money and they won't even have to ask. It'll just be the dues you pay. Americans wonder why Mexicans barter their freedom with police, for permits at City Hall or to get out of trouble at an accident scene. They are raised to accept defeat and to surrender to the corruption and accept they will never have control of their lives. Who is allowing this? Everyone. Even us for being here. The Spanish brought their convoluted form of Oligarchy with them- and it all went downhill from there to where we are today.

There is no way out, it is too late. Even the president says there is "truth" and a "Legal truth". What about Hank Rohn having the actual gun that murdered a man? the Legal Truth. No Mr. president there is just one truth- it's your legal system that is the lie and you admit it. The four men who did the Monterrey casino bombing where 60 were killed last month were released today because the legal system couldn't charge them. This was after they killed the entire family of the Monterrey Policeman who identified them. When the legal system is this much a mismatch for the level of crime taking place- crime wins- and that's if all the players were honest. Very sad and now it is here.

[Edited on 9-17-2011 by Woooosh]

805gregg - 9-17-2011 at 05:50 PM

This crap is everywhere, I was talking to my hair cutter a Mexicana, she told me about her uncle in Guadalajara, he owns a shoe store, first he was robbed 3 times by some local youth gangs. Then the cartel guys came to him and said, " we will protect you", the cartel guys beat the hell out of the locals, so now he pays protection to the cartel, who would choose to live with this BS, if they didn't have to.

zero rupees

chrisx - 9-17-2011 at 06:21 PM

http://www.zerorupees.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/0-rupee...

[Edited on 9-18-2011 by chrisx]

Woooosh - 9-17-2011 at 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by chrisx
http://www.zerorupees.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/0-rupee...

[Edited on 9-18-2011 by chrisx]

do they make those for pesos?

Packoderm - 9-17-2011 at 08:50 PM

Jesse, the best response at this point is, "Whatever."

Woooosh - 9-17-2011 at 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Packoderm
Jesse, the best response at this point is, "Whatever."

Nope. The correct response is "I was wrong, things are changing and it is here in TJ now too". But he'd never admit it and "whatever" is a coward's response to what is happening to these children in Tijuana. seriously.

This is no longer an academic debate because we are living in it here. Tell you what, drive to that school in TJ Monday afternoon and be there to say "whatever" to kids as they pay their dues to get home safe. Better yet, offer the kids a safe ride home in your car and see how far you make it. You'll be a dead pinata on the PeMex bridge by rush hour. That's the reality in Mexico, and it's here in TJ too and no one can stop it at this point. The will to stop it isn't there because enforceable laws in the courts aren't there. Crime pays and everyone in Mexico knows it.

[Edited on 9-18-2011 by Woooosh]

Lobsterman - 9-18-2011 at 04:31 AM

Thanks for sharing your personal observations of Mexico's criminal justice system today. Reality is on your side. Stay safe my friend.

JoeJustJoe - 9-18-2011 at 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh
The younger Mexican children accept the corruption and learn to pay a mordida the better they will do in their society when they grow up to be corrupt officials.

Ohhhlordy..........well, they won't all be in the government...I hope.
What are they squeezing from these kids? Their lunch money?

Wooosh's paragraph below especially the sentence about how Mexicans are raised to accept defeat is probably one of the most arrogant, bigoted, and clueless statement I have ever read in the main area of the "Nomad" forum!

But it's vintage Wooosh to make outrageous statements like this, and by making such foolish allegations Woooosh is implying he isn't like these weak Mexicans who so willingly accept defeat, but that Wooosh is strong and a fighter, and Mexicans should be like Woooosh. ( I hope some of you are familiar with my "poser" threads?)

Anyway as a Mexican, or rather as an American with ancestral roots to to Mexico. I'm deeply offended by Woooosh's ugly American clueless remark!

Woooosh wrote:They are raised to accept defeat and to surrender to the corruption and accept they will never have control of their lives. Who is allowing this? Everyone. Even us for being here. The Spanish brought their convoluted form of Oligarchy with them- and it all went downhill from there to where we are today.

woody with a view - 9-18-2011 at 11:10 AM

Quote:

There is no way out, it is too late. Even the president says there is "truth" and a "Legal truth". What about Hank Rohn having the actual gun that murdered a man? the Legal Truth. No Mr. president there is just one truth- it's your legal system that is the lie and you admit it. The four men who did the Monterrey casino bombing where 60 were killed last month were released today because the legal system couldn't charge them. This was after they killed the entire family of the Monterrey Policeman who identified them. When the legal system is this much a mismatch for the level of crime taking place- crime wins- and that's if all the players were honest. Very sad and now it is here.

but this makes up for it. the truth hurts sometimes.

you are trying to define the meaning of the word, "is" and there is no good answer. just ask the American president known as Slick Willie........

Woooosh - 9-18-2011 at 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh
The younger Mexican children accept the corruption and learn to pay a mordida the better they will do in their society when they grow up to be corrupt officials.

Ohhhlordy..........well, they won't all be in the government...I hope.
What are they squeezing from these kids? Their lunch money?

that's because there is no truth in Mexico- it is a sliding scale of gray. Do be offended by what is happening, but shooting the messenger is ignorant. This is YOUR country, Fix it or just stfu. And my Mexican family agrees 110% with me, by the way.

And yes, it is true- this Connecticut Yankee is nothing like a Mexican. Different everything. I have nothing to apologize for. I enjoy the contrasts with my family and they couldn't be more proud that I am a Yankee who fights for his Mexican family and for the people of Mexico. The proof is in my actions.

[Edited on 9-18-2011 by Woooosh]

DENNIS - 9-18-2011 at 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
This is YOUR country,

I don' theeenk so.

Woooosh - 9-18-2011 at 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh
This is YOUR country,

I don' theeenk so.

come on Dennis, who would lie about being a Mexican or American for that matter?

OK I re-read that. His roots are in Mexico. In a country 201 years old- those roots don't go too deep.

[Edited on 9-18-2011 by Woooosh]

JoeJustJoe - 9-18-2011 at 12:22 PM

Wooosh wrote: that's because there is no truth in Mexico- it is a sliding scale of gray. Do be offended by what is happening, but shooting the messenger is ignorant. This is YOUR country, Fix it or just stfu. And my Mexican family agrees 110% with me, by the way.

It's not my country, but it's my pure ancestral heritage of Mexican blood, although I may have a little Irish in me. And being a Mexican-American growing up in a barrio I share many of the same cultural of my Mexicans brothers and sisters in Mexico.

What you're doing Woooosh is stereotyping a whole class of people living in Mexico as having been taught to accept defeat.

Anytime anybody engages in racial stereotyping the are showing themselves to be bigots, and when Mexicans like your family members do. They are showing themselves to be self-hating bigots. I see this all time even among Mexicans.

You Woooosh or your family don't speak for all Mexicans.

Imagine if I made your type of claim to Americans, and including "all" in that claim. "All Americans are self-centered and believe the world revolves around them and America." This would be wrong for me to throw all Americans into my stereotype, although it certainly applies to you Woooosh and many ugly Americans who make these types of statements.

I'm not even going to talk about the political situation in Mexico till we clear up this offensive ugly stereotype you just make.

Woooosh you need to walk in a poor Mexican shoes before you make sure foolish outrageous bigoted statements.

Woooosh - 9-18-2011 at 12:29 PM

take a deep breath Joe. The truth is going to explode you head. The Mexican culture is so passive-aggressive that you can't handle being called out. And I didn't even have a taco or meet a Mexican until I went away to college- so most everything I learned about Mexicans I did while I was here in Mexico. I 'm just calling it like I see it and we have very different eyes. ARE YOU EVEN DOWN HERE TO LOOK?

[Edited on 9-18-2011 by Woooosh]

JoeJustJoe - 9-18-2011 at 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
take a deep breath Joe. The truth is going to explode you head. The Mexican culture is so passive-aggressive that you can't handle being called out. And I didn't even have a taco or meet a Mexican until I went away to college- so most everything I learned about Mexicans I did while I was here in Mexico. I 'm just calling it like I see it and we have very different eyes. ARE YOU EVEN DOWN HERE TO LOOK?

[Edited on 9-18-2011 by Woooosh]

I just love how you take out that paint brush Woooosh and paint the whole Mexican culture of being so passive-aggressive. Well you're at it, can you tell me what the American culture is like? Do Americans also fit into your little tidy stereotypes?

How about the Muslim culture Woooosh. Do Muslims fall into that same passive-aggressive culture thing? After all those middle eastern countries have had brutal dictatorships for years, and most of those Muslim countries did nothing about it until this year, and then there is Iran who is still suppressed.

See things are a little more complicated that your silly culture stereotypes you pigeonhole a whole ethic culture in Woooosh.

I think I know what your problem is Woooosh. You been around dogs too long, and stereotype a culture of people(Mexicans) like you do certain dog breeds. I like you Woooosh owned Retrievers, but even among dogs their have their own unique personalities.

Of course you haven't been around Mexicans all your life Woooosh, and now your surrounded by a certain subculture and class of Mexicans and you think all Mexicans are the same, but that's just not true.

As I said before I use to rent a place in Rosarito Beach, and often you can find me in Tijuana. I was just there last week waiting to get beat up. :lol:

Hopefully in a couple of years I'm going to be semi-retired, and I plan on returning to someplace in Mexico close to the ocean.

[Edited on 9-18-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

Woooosh - 9-18-2011 at 01:59 PM

Just calling it like I see it. I live in central Rosarito, not in an expat community. I can't fix your ignorance of what is happening in Mexico. You got off point and your panties in a wad. Why not be the street crossing guard at that TJ school tomorrow Joe? Tell they kids they are strong and powerful and can stick up for themselves. They already know what their future is if the adults of Mexico don't grow a pair. Go try to find a TJ policeman to help you tomorrow- good luck on that. Not even the police will help these kids. They will close the schools though- just like Acapulco. This thread was about violence against schools in Acapulco and I said it is here. And it is. If you aren't man enough to return to your beloved Mexico now to help fix it and save it, what are you made of that is so gd righteous? I'm out for today- one can only suffer a fool for so long...

JoeJustJoe - 9-18-2011 at 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Just calling it like I see it. I live in central Rosarito, not in an expat community. I can't fix your ignorance of what is happening in Mexico. You got off point and your panties in a wad. Why not be the street crossing guard at that TJ school tomorrow Joe? Tell they kids they are strong and powerful and can stick up for themselves. They already know what their future is if the adults of Mexico don't grow a pair. Go try to find a TJ policeman to help you tomorrow- good luck on that. Not even the police will help these kids. They will close the schools though- just like Acapulco. This thread was about violence against schools in Acapulco and I said it is here. And it is. If you aren't man enough to return to your beloved Mexico now to help fix it and save it, what are you made of that is so gd righteous? I'm out for today- one can only suffer a fool for so long...

Yeah I heard the story Woooosh. You don't live like other "Nomad" members in gringo expat enclaves, but that you Woooosh live among the native Mexicans, and know how Mexicans really are.

You Woooosh are the Jane Goodall among Mexicans like Goodall was among apes.

Save that BS for other 'Nomad" members as they may believe your BS, but if you ask me your clueless about Mexicans and Mexican culture, and that's why you resort to racial stereotyping and repeating culture bigotry you learned from Mexican hate sites.

But since you're so brave Woooosh. Why don't you hold meetings in your local Mexican community and tell the locals how they should stand up to the Mexican drug cartels, and government corruption. I'm sure they will listen to you. What do you call yourself Woooosh? The tough "Yankee" or something like that? :yawn:

See you around Woooosh I made my point.

wessongroup - 9-18-2011 at 03:01 PM

Woooosh, ya should know by now.. Dr. JOe, doesn't really like "real personal experiences"... they tend to throw the curve off a bit....

Keep your head down.. :biggrin:

jbcoug - 9-18-2011 at 03:03 PM

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See you around Woooosh I made my point.

Actually Joe, you didn't.

John

805gregg - 9-18-2011 at 04:04 PM

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See you around Woooosh I made my point.

What was your point?

chrisx - 9-18-2011 at 04:40 PM

you forgot the fiddle player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e71N7EhaGA