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TUNA BOAT SIGHTING !!

BajaBlanca - 9-27-2011 at 04:15 PM



BAD NEWS: Now, I always thought that these boats were illegal, especially when they came in so close to shore ...well, Pedro Sors, the TV fishing reporter, who recently stayed with us, told me that they are PERFECTLY legal. They have special permits that allow them to come in / travel up and down the coast as far as they want.

GOOD NEWS: What Mexico IS doing, he says, is slowly but surely buying back the permits. So that eventually, we will not see more tuna or shrimp boats. near or far from shore.

Let's hope it's true and not so manana m a n a n a MANANA so as to not make a difference in the end.

rts551 - 9-27-2011 at 04:37 PM

Those boats come in quiet often Blanca. Last month two came in complete with helicopters. Helicopter came into town and bought up all our cigs and beer.
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motoged - 9-27-2011 at 04:52 PM

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Those boats come in quiet often Blanca. Last month two came in complete with helicopters. Helicopter came into town and bought up all our cigs and beer.[Edited on 9-27-2011 by rts551]



Ahhhh, so the tuna boats are good for the economy....:lol:

woody with a view - 9-27-2011 at 04:52 PM

silver lining - must be tuna around.

mtgoat666 - 9-27-2011 at 05:35 PM

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Those boats come in quiet often Blanca. Last month two came in complete with helicopters. Helicopter came into town and bought up all our cigs and beer.[Edited on 9-27-2011 by rts551]

Ahhhh, so the tuna boats are good for the economy....:lol:


the world has 6,775,235,700 people, and at least 4.5B like to eat fish for dinner once in a while... the boats gotta fish somewhere to satisfy those appetites! if not baja, then will be elsewhere!

worldwide per capita fish consumption is 44 lbs/year,... so fishermen and aquaculture need to generate >264,000,000,000 lbs per year worldwide.

at least all that fishing is good for the economy!




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shari - 9-27-2011 at 05:47 PM

yup...as much as we dislike it, the businesses in town like it when dozens of hungry, thirsty, out of smokes guys come into a village...plus lots of people trade caracol etc for meat from their freezers.

BajaBlanca - 9-27-2011 at 05:48 PM

about a month ago we had 12 of these boats on the horizon at one time !! At the time though, I thought they were all breaking the law - blatantly. I didn't get a picture, but i should have. It was prety impressive. there wouldn't have been enough beer and cigs in la bocana to take care of them all !! that's one way to pee locals off can u imagine NO beer here ??? ugly ugly ugly

The boat in the above picture I posted sold fish to the coop - several pangas met the big boats and went back and forth a number of times.

805gregg - 9-27-2011 at 05:49 PM

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Those boats come in quiet often Blanca. Last month two came in complete with helicopters. Helicopter came into town and bought up all our cigs and beer.[Edited on 9-27-2011 by rts551]

Ahhhh, so the tuna boats are good for the economy....:lol:


the world has 6,775,235,700 people, and at least 4.5B like to eat fish for dinner once in a while... the boats gotta fish somewhere to satisfy those appetites! if not baja, then will be elsewhere!

worldwide per capita fish consumption is 44 lbs/year,... so fishermen and aquaculture need to generate >264,000,000,000 lbs per year worldwide.

at least all that fishing is good for the economy!

Untill all the fish are gone then the ocean dies and the humans that eat all that tuna.




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David vs Goliath

DianaT - 9-27-2011 at 07:05 PM

MitchMan - 9-27-2011 at 07:32 PM

The questions that I would ask are: From which country do these boats come from? With regard to permits sold to fleets from foreign countries (countries other than Mexico), how does that help the Mexican economy (besides the revenues from the sale of permits)? Are these permitted tuna boats adequately and sufficiently regulated/inspected so as not to deplete fish stocks to a damaging level? Same question with regard to limiting/policing fishing to permitted levels of tuna and not other types of fish.

I don't know, maybe I am just misinformed or maybe just naive, but if I were to see tuna boats in the SOC near La Paz or Loreto or even Cabo, I would admittedly be very cynical about it.

10 -15 years ago when I was doing some sport fishing off of Dana Point in Orange County, California, I would watch the sport fishing fish reports and occasionally I would see yellow tail counts go up really quickly, then commercial fishing boats would be seen and in two days the fish counts would go down from several hundred per day down to 6 or 7 caught per day from sport fishing boats.

I admit it, as a sport fisherman, I am cynical when it comes to the proper regulation of commercial fishing.

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castaway$ - 9-29-2011 at 02:20 PM

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yup...as much as we dislike it, the businesses in town like it when dozens of hungry, thirsty, out of smokes guys come into a village...plus lots of people trade caracol etc for meat from their freezers.

Pardon the ignorance but what is caracol?

rts551 - 9-29-2011 at 02:34 PM

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yup...as much as we dislike it, the businesses in town like it when dozens of hungry, thirsty, out of smokes guys come into a village...plus lots of people trade caracol etc for meat from their freezers.

Pardon the ignorance but what is caracol?


a sea snail. or more accurately a conch. the meat inside is used in a variety of dishes.

castaway$ - 9-29-2011 at 02:44 PM

rts551, Thanks sounds like something I just might have to try on my next trip down. Where do you usually get it? We travel the length of the peninsula and stop all along the way.

rts551 - 9-29-2011 at 02:51 PM

Pacific coast. Is where I have always seen them. The Coops dive for them for selling or canning. I know the Punta Abreojos Fish store (Pescaderia) in La Paz sell the canned ones and sometimes fresh.

The store in La Paz. Fresh fish!!!!
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Cisco - 9-29-2011 at 02:55 PM

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silver lining - must be tuna around.



Spoke with friend in Samoa Woody. He said last trip they did 9000 miles without a set, never got the net wet.

What's happening is that the boats are going into any fishery they can as the tuna are drastically depleted. That is why we're finding seiners in uncharacteristic fishing grounds.

Global warming and changes in fish migration patterns is making a difference also, the whole neighborhood has changed.

rts551 - 9-29-2011 at 02:57 PM

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rts551, Thanks sounds like something I just might have to try on my next trip down. Where do you usually get it? We travel the length of the peninsula and stop all along the way.


We also gather them up on the beach after a storm. But like all shell fish, they are technically prohibited.

shari - 9-29-2011 at 06:37 PM

caracol is most excellent...many people here prefer it to abalone and makes a wonderful seafood c-cktail and ceviche with the fresh white part of it....really delicious.

rts551 - 9-29-2011 at 07:47 PM

does the local coop or officials enforce the rules on collecting them?
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caracol is most excellent...many people here prefer it to abalone and makes a wonderful seafood c-cktail and ceviche with the fresh white part of it....really delicious.

shari - 9-29-2011 at 08:16 PM

lots of people pick them up off the beaches when the tide goes out and nobody I know got in trouble that I know of.

BajaBlanca - 9-29-2011 at 08:50 PM

I have no idea about getting them off the beach but I would guess HERE it is a NONO

caracol is for sale in our local coop store here in la bocana

I heard the coops have canned goods now for sale at walmart but I am not sure if that is in cabo or la paz ...

rts551 - 9-30-2011 at 07:50 AM

any shell fish is a "no-no". Just wondering if Asuncion enforced it. guess not, but I would not want to be the first one they decided to change their minds on.

As with oysters,clams,caracol,etc buying from the coop is too easy

J.P. - 9-30-2011 at 11:35 AM

Some of those boats dock in Ensenada from time to time, The ones i saw were really nice well maintained boats, not your average fishing Scow.:yes::yes:

Cypress - 9-30-2011 at 12:47 PM

Yea, you can color it any way you want, but the bottom line is, they're ripping-off the local fishermen, sweeping the whole area of everything that swims. Oh yea! They'll pat your kids on the head and give 'em a piece of candy. And you?:?:

Oso - 9-30-2011 at 02:39 PM

Key West FL was once known as "The Conch Republic" and natives are still known as "Conchs". Conch Fritters are a favorite item on menus. When I was shipwrecked on the coast of Quintana Roo they were plentiful and easy to gather in 5-6 ' of water. Our Black Honduranian First Mate would not eat them because we were men stranded with no women and according to him they had "mucha vitamina". In other words, they had aphrodisiac qualities and he felt no need for such under the circumstances.