BajaNomad - American resident of Ensenada found slain

American resident of Ensenada found slain

BajaNews - 10-20-2011 at 11:33 PM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/oct/20/american-resi...

Oct. 20, 2011

A 66-year-old American living in Ensenada was found dead inside his residence late Wednesday, bound by his hands and feet, and with a strong blow to the back of his head, according to the Baja California Attorney General’s Office. Friends said Robert Paul Frey, 66, had been a resident of the port city for at least a decade and was an active member of the community.

A police statement released Thursday said that Frey’s body was found shortly before midnight on the floor between the living room and dining room of the residence in Colonia Playa Ensenada where friends said that he had lived alone. The statement gave no motive for the slaying, and no suspects were in custody Thursday.

Friends had been expecting to see Frey Wednesday night at a screening of the environmental documentary “The 11th Hour” at the Autonomous University of Baja California and became concerned when he did not show up and did not answer his telephones.

“He was always very reliable, always there on time, he never forgot anything,” said Tobias Gogolin, a friend and fellow member of Transicion Ensenada, part of the worldwide Transition Network initiative that seeks to rebuild community resilience and reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

Gogolin said that Frey was a retired systems analyst originally from Oakland. He had a son and one daughter living in the United States.

“He was an old hippie who had been fighting for the same issues all his life, environmental protection, a sustainable lifestyle, making the best of our interaction with the planet,” Gogolin said.

Frey had been active in a number of local causes, including promoting bicycling as a founding member of Grupo Pro Ciclovia. “He was very generous and very integrated with the Mexican community,” said Marcela Danemann, a journalist living in Ensenada.

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AmoPescar - 10-21-2011 at 12:33 AM

Wow...very sad!

Hope they catch the bastards!

Miguelamo :yes:

YES

YES

YES

JESSE - 10-21-2011 at 01:34 AM

Sounds like a robbery, i hope they catch the bastards.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-21-2011 at 06:59 AM

When I first read the headline I thought of our amigo in Punta Banda...thank God it wasn't you. So sad for this gentleman.

shari - 10-21-2011 at 07:12 AM

DEP Pablo..what an awful tragedy. I sure hope it was a random robbery and not related to his social activism. Sounds like he did alot of good in his life for the planet and will be missed by his amigos in Ensenada and of course his family.

Ken Cooke - 10-21-2011 at 07:20 AM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
When I first read the headline I thought of our amigo in Punta Banda...thank God it wasn't you. So sad for this gentleman.

I thought the same as well. Too bad for the way this nice person met his demise.

DENNIS - 10-21-2011 at 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
When I first read the headline I thought of our amigo in Punta Banda...thank God it wasn't you. So sad for this gentleman.

I used to live right in that area. All of my neighbors had American Express credit.......just to give an idea of the scale of the community.

I wonder if we'll ever hear the whole story.

BajaGringo - 10-21-2011 at 07:32 AM

I find myself reading these type stories with a very different perspective now.

My sincere condolences to his family and friends...

bajabound2005 - 10-21-2011 at 07:57 AM

Robert was a personal friend of ours. His death at the hands of violence is especially disturbing as he was a peace loving man. He will be sorely missed.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-21-2011 at 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
Robert was a personal friend of ours. His death at the hands of violence is especially disturbing as he was a peace loving man. He will be sorely missed.

My condolences for the loss of your friend. From what I've read he was a good man.

DianaT - 10-21-2011 at 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
Robert was a personal friend of ours. His death at the hands of violence is especially disturbing as he was a peace loving man. He will be sorely missed.

So very sad.

Mengano - 10-21-2011 at 09:56 AM

For those of you thinking it was a robbery, think again. Frey was tied up hand and foot and gagged. Even if it was a robbery, there was no need to bash in his head and kill him. Tied up and gagged, there was no way he could have interfered with the progress of a robbery. None of the news articles even mention there was a robbery.

He was not killed because he promoted riding bicycles or organic food. He was killed because they could. Por gusto.

DENNIS - 10-21-2011 at 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by Mengano
Even if it was a robbery, there was no need to bash in his head and kill him.

He may have known them.

mtgoat666 - 10-21-2011 at 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by Mengano
For those of you thinking it was a robbery, think again. Frey was tied up hand and foot and gagged. Even if it was a robbery, there was no need to bash in his head and kill him. Tied up and gagged, there was no way he could have interfered with the progress of a robbery. None of the news articles even mention there was a robbery.

He was not killed because he promoted riding bicycles or organic food. He was killed because they could. Por gusto.

fulano,
you seem pretty certain simply on basis of a short news article,... fulano, don't you know that news article facts are only 20% correct?

Woooosh - 10-21-2011 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
I find myself reading these type stories with a very different perspective now.

My sincere condolences to his family and friends...

I know what you are saying is true. As you two heal and slowly put your lives back in order again it must be hard, if not impossible- to see things the same way as before. Your community and friends rallied around you, sadly this guys friends didn't get that chance.

Dave - 10-21-2011 at 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
He my have known them.

Probably. Not that it matters but why would robbers show restraint? Is there some moral code I'm not aware of?

They killed him because they could.

[Edited on 10-21-2011 by Dave]

DENNIS - 10-21-2011 at 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
They killed him because they could.

With a strong sense of impunity since law enforcement is so lacking and dismal.

BajaBlanca - 10-21-2011 at 01:07 PM

RIP

Mengano - 10-21-2011 at 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
you seem pretty certain simply on basis of a short news article,...don't you know that news article facts are only 20% correct?

You mean there is still an 80% chance Robert Frey is alive?

JESSE - 10-21-2011 at 01:45 PM

Story made it to national news:

http://www.excelsior.com.mx/index.php?m=nota&id_nota=776...

surfer jim - 10-21-2011 at 02:26 PM

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soulpatch...

I, too, read these stories a bit differently after our last trip. Having a lone soldier making awkward conversation pull his handgun out and start playing with it while my kids were snorkeling just north of La Gringa has given us pause.

That sounds disturbing......can you give any further details of what happend?

[Edited on 10-21-2011 by surfer jim]

Woooosh - 10-21-2011 at 03:00 PM

Violent home invasion crimes are up in Rosarito Beach to 12 a month.

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/2110...

"He noted that the number of murders committed in Rosarito (34 up to October 11, 2011 according to Semefo), is very high in proportion to other municipalities in the state, such as Tijuana."

[Edited on 10-21-2011 by Woooosh]

Mengano - 10-21-2011 at 03:21 PM

Maybe Krafty should raise the height of the wall around his Rosarito house?

JESSE - 10-21-2011 at 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano
Maybe Krafty should raise the height of the wall around his Rosarito house?

Are you the idiot fulano?

redmesa - 10-21-2011 at 04:40 PM

I want to put a sign out "ROB ME IF YOU MUST BUT WAIT TILL I AM GONE". We have so little for which to fight.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-21-2011 at 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Violent home invasion crimes are up in Rosarito Beach to 12 a month.

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/2110...

"He noted that the number of murders committed in Rosarito (34 up to October 11, 2011 according to Semefo), is very high in proportion to other municipalities in the state, such as Tijuana."

[Edited on 10-21-2011 by Woooosh]

I've noticed that kidnappings and executions are on the rise in TJ also.

Be careful for what you wish

Dave - 10-21-2011 at 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by redmesa
I want to put a sign out "ROB ME IF YOU MUST BUT WAIT TILL I AM GONE". We have so little for which to fight.

I have a friend who was so worried about his dog being stolen that he attached a tag with recompensa and his telephone # to the dog's collar.

Guess what happened next. :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 10-21-2011 at 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Violent home invasion crimes are up in Rosarito Beach to 12 a month.

The law is wrong. It says, in so many words, that we are not allowed to protect ourselves.
A very vocal, concerted effort to change that law would save a lot of people a lot of grief.

Problem is, we have made every effort to sequester ourselves in our quest for seclusion, that we end up with no government advocates..........we have no voice in government issues.

We must impress the government of our need for self protection. If that is still denied, we must consider our worth in this country.
Only the most sordo mudo of expats will turn their backs on this thought.

How do we go about forming this initiative? Any ideas?

I'm all in with all I can add to it.

C'mon folks. We bend over backward to help others here........so why can't we do the same for ourselves?

Woooosh - 10-21-2011 at 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Violent home invasion crimes are up in Rosarito Beach to 12 a month.

easiest route is to go through the FRAO office in the Rosarito Palacio- that's what it's there for.

Bajafun777 - 10-22-2011 at 02:05 AM

The laws are too soft on the criminals in Mexico that do crimes against others especially if they kill someone. Mexico needs to start putting these killers to death and stop looking for this life in prison B.S., as it is just not working. I do not know anyone that has been executed that ever harmed another child,woman or man! Just put these crazy killers in coffins where they belong!!
Just hate reading about people who just wanted to be left alone to enjoy life while helping others being killed by these scumbags!! Hope everyone watches a little closer and takes more precautions while in Mexico. Take Care & Travel Safe-- "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

sanquintinsince73 - 10-22-2011 at 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Violent home invasion crimes are up in Rosarito Beach to 12 a month.

You are so right-on in your comment, Dennis. Sometimes I liken the Mexican populace to sheep being herded around by nasty, greedy politicos looking out for their own interests rather than the people they were elected to serve. The basic right to protect oneself does not exist in Mexico. My wife told me once of a man preparing to go sell his wares at the swat-meet in TJ around 3:00 am. From inside the house his son heard an altercation and ran outside to see his father being physically assaulted by a would-be robber. The son jumped in to help his father and when the bad guy drew a knife, the son was able to disarm him and the bad guy ended up being stabbed. Long story short, the son went to prison. What the hell is this crap??

Someone here had as a quote: "We sleep good in our beds because rough men stand ready to visit violence.....". Well, I sleep good at night because I have that basic right to visit violence by whatever means to anyone that would harm me or mine.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-22-2011 at 08:13 AM

The laws in Mexico are what they are and I do not see them being changed anytime soon. There was alot of rhetoric in the Mexican senate about having a death penalty but that's as far as it went, just talk. I am a strong supporter of our second amendment but I do not believe that we need people running around with high-power semi-automatic weapons.

I grew up in East Los Angeles and every single house in our block had been broken into. Ours was the only place with never a break-in. Why? Because it was common knowledge that my dad had weapons at home. Sometime I stay with some of my wife's relatives in Tijuana and I once asked her cousin where he keeps his baseball bat for home protection. He replied that if ever they have an intruder, they would not offer resistance because you will go to prison if you harm someone while protecting your family. What the hell is this sh*t?

desertcpl - 10-22-2011 at 09:47 AM

Exactly what I have been saying for a long time about MX,

Citizens need to be able own guns and protect themselves

the Law's need to be changed to allow swift punishment for these creeps and a swift in most cases the Death penalty

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I grew up in East Los Angeles and every single house in our block had been broken into. Ours was the only place with never a break-in. Why? Because it was common knowledge that my dad had weapons at home. Sometime I stay with some of my wife's relatives in Tijuana and I once asked her cousin where he keeps his baseball bat for home protection. He replied that if ever they have an intruder, they would not offer resistance because you will go to prison if you harm someone while protecting your family. What the hell is this sh*t?

David K - 10-22-2011 at 10:29 AM

Sorry that happened to you guys Frank... Kind of sours the milk when crap picks on you like that! After people known to our son were kidnapped at the '07 Baja 1000 (pulling the McMillin race trailer north from Ensenada), we took a break from Baja and toured some of the USA the next couple of vacations.

DENNIS - 10-22-2011 at 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
So, for what it's worth there is a Reader's Digest synopsis of what has becoming a defining event for our retirement planning.

Does this mean you're having second thoughts, Frank? Couldn't blame you if you were.

DENNIS - 10-22-2011 at 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Sounds pretty sissified, doesn't it!

Not in the least. It sounds well thought out, and I'm glad for you and your family that you got to exercise your options without being commited here only to have serious regrets.
Carolinas are nice. Go for it.

baja1943 - 10-22-2011 at 12:46 PM

Good move soulpatch. Unlike CA, NC Honors the Castle Doctrine and has less restrictive CCW laws.

Barry A. - 10-22-2011 at 01:35 PM

SoulPatch--------I totally understand your thinking, and support your decision. It is beautiful in the Carolina's, too.

Barry

DianaT - 10-22-2011 at 01:49 PM

Soulpatch

Being older and retired and having a second home that we like in a place we completely enjoy is so very different than moving your entire family--children and all.

In your position, I would also have MAJOR second thoughts at this time.

jakecard - 10-22-2011 at 02:27 PM

If you like summer humidity, lots of snakes, mosquitoes and bugs out-the-ying-yang then I have the "perfect" country place for you just 18 miles north of Wilmington, NC, soulpatch. So let me know.

Back on topic, each new report of a beating, robbery or death slaps us awake. Baja is not a utopia. And life doesn't play out like a "dream." Not in Mexico, not in the U.S.A., not anywhere. Whackos exist, and they strike capriciously everywhere. My thoughts go out to the Frey family for their tragic, senseless loss.

So how do we protect ourselves in Baja? Get a gun and risk getting caught, jailed and deported? What then? Don't get a gun but find yourself needing it? What then? Get a gun, use it, kill someone and . . . what then?

There are no satisfactory answers. And to be sure a one-size-fits-all solution doesn't exist anymore than our ability to plan for every possible contingency.

But we can, like Mr. Frey, follow our individual path and choose to live life to the fullest.

The following well-known prayer seems appropriate:

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference."

Best to all,

Jake

choyero - 10-22-2011 at 03:17 PM

Anyone know what would happen if a dog took out a bad guy? Would the dog be sent to the pound, for defending his territory?

surfer jim - 10-22-2011 at 04:59 PM

Thanks for the details...and sorry for the diversion of the topic. Hope no one else has this encounter.

805gregg - 10-22-2011 at 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by AmoPescar
Wow...very sad!

Hope they catch the bastards!

Miguelamo :yes:

YES

YES

YES

Yeah right, Algezzera reported about 2 percent of homicides gets solved in Mexico.

shari - 10-22-2011 at 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by jakecard
each new report of a beating, robbery or death slaps us awake. Baja is not a utopia. And life doesn't play out like a "dream." Not in Mexico, not in the U.S.A., not anywhere. Whackos exist, and they strike capriciously everywhere. My thoughts go out to the Frey family for their tragic, senseless loss.

to be sure a one-size-fits-all solution doesn't exist anymore than our ability to plan for every possible contingency.

But we can, like Mr. Frey, follow our individual path and choose to live life to the fullest.

The following well-known prayer seems appropriate:

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference."

Jake

I echo this sentiment..thanks jakecard for putting it so well and understanding the complexities of baja.

wilderone - 10-23-2011 at 08:02 AM

"My landlord stated that there is a canyon a few K's north of there where there is a farming operation. The whole thing was really uncomfortable and really gave me pause about hanging out in a place we have done so for years."

That may have been the reason for the "contact" - a warning - or "go away". And now WE know about the "farming" operation. Thanks for the heads up.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-23-2011 at 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by choyero
Anyone know what would happen if a dog took out a bad guy? Would the dog be sent to the pound, for defending his territory?

Good question. I decided to research this and the best I found is this:Si pones un cartel en la entrada de "Perros peligrosos" aunque tus perros muerdan a los ladrones, vecinos y cualquier otra persona no pueden denunciarte. Pon el cartel bien visible en la entrada.

Basically, as in the states, you must have a sign posted indicating the presence of "dangerous Dog" in your property.

Woooosh - 10-23-2011 at 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
"My landlord stated that there is a canyon a few K's north of there where there is a farming operation. The whole thing was really uncomfortable and really gave me pause about hanging out in a place we have done so for years."

That may have been the reason for the "contact" - a warning - or "go away". And now WE know about the "farming" operation. Thanks for the heads up.

This farming operation? Looks like the Ensenada police were growing Pot, protected by some Military deserters.

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/noticias/1/3/estat...

"TIJUANA .- The conflict between the military and municipal police in the town of San Quintin, Ensenada, started from that Army personnel seized the patch of 120 hectares of marijuana in the town of El Rosario, General Gilberto Landeros revealed Briseno."

The commander of the Second Military Zone said that after this discovery found that local authorities in the area, including police, by default did not do many things.

Even Army deserters were found attached as traffic wardens, but that research and competence of other authorities, he said. "

redmesa - 10-23-2011 at 12:34 PM

Sounds like Mendocino County!

Mengano - 10-23-2011 at 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by jakecard
But we can, like Mr. Frey, follow our individual path and choose to live life to the fullest.

I'm curious how you happen to know Mr. Frey followed his "individual path" and "lived life to the fullest"?

Seems to me that dying brutally at age 66, when American males attaining that age usually live into their 80's, means he only got 80% of a full life. Do you think his children are content with all this?

jakecard - 10-23-2011 at 01:20 PM

If I was confident that you genuinely didn't understand the spirit of my post then I would certainly clarify what I meant by giving you a sincere response, Mengano.

But you have twisted a verb tense, imputed meaning that is non-existent and in trying to be clever have exposed your own pathology.

Not taking your bait.

Jake

Some Kinds of Guns for Foreign Residents are Legal

Gypsy Jan - 10-23-2011 at 03:58 PM

But, of course, not for tourists.

This has been covered extensively in other posts, I apologize if I am being redundant to the already informed.

If you are a legal resident (FM 3 and better), you can apply for a gun license.

Unless the rules have changed, first you join a duly-licensed hunting club, and then apply at the local armory to have a background check done.

Once you have been approved, and it takes some time, you are issued a "License to Carry Firearms", which means that you can legally transport the guns in your car to and from your home to your "hunting" destination.

The only kicker is that you must go the armory to purchase your allotted ten bullets per year.

There are ways around the bullet limit, but I am not going to encourage smuggling in any way whatsoever.

On a side note, a highly placed police officer once advised us, "Don't shoot anybody outside of your house, or in the back, you are automatically judged as guilty." Then he went on to say, "Regardless, it's much better if something happens that you simply dump the body in the ocean."

Nothing like the scenario above has ever happened to us (knocking on wood and thanking our dogs for being good guardians and alerting us to possible intruders).

BajaGringo - 10-23-2011 at 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
I find myself reading these type stories with a very different perspective now.

My sincere condolences to his family and friends...

Without all of the quick help from our friends and neighbors these guys would probably never have been caught and Cristina and I would certainly be dead. We are eternally indebted to them.

It is a changing environment and certainly one needs to step back and take another look at things. We are going back to San Quintin but I wouldn't blame anybody who thinks differently.

Woooosh - 10-23-2011 at 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
I find myself reading these type stories with a very different perspective now.

My sincere condolences to his family and friends...

Everyone will be watch to see how you deal with what you went through. People are posting about other options for retirement, but getting in and out as a tourist will remain a "safe-enough" option for most.

You are individuals who went through different violent experiences and will deal with it individually as well as commonly. It'll take time, don't rush it. The abalone will grow just fine on their own for a while. Get back to your new normal when you can.

[Edited on 10-24-2011 by Woooosh]

deportes - 10-23-2011 at 06:03 PM

Sorry to say that with the latest news from Mexico it has become time to start looking at Chile's pacific coast for retirement. Mexico's lack of law abiding police and people is very dangerous. I lived in mexico city for 5 years in the 70/80's and it is getting to the point where it is too dangerous for me and mi family. I love Mexico but Ididn't work all this years and plan on spending my retirement constantly watching my back!
Arica, North coast of Chile has temperate climate. Hopefully the mexican government gets a handle on the criminal activity in the next few years.

Good to see you Baja Gringo postingagain!

Kalypso - 10-24-2011 at 04:08 PM

Seems an arrest was made

2 Arrested in Slaying of American in Ensenada

DENNIS - 10-24-2011 at 04:20 PM

Excellent news. Thanks.

Here is their photo.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-24-2011 at 04:57 PM

Woooosh - 10-24-2011 at 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Excellent news. Thanks.

Not if you have Mexican tenants.
:saint:

Mengano - 10-24-2011 at 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

Para ellos, la vida vale madre.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-24-2011 at 05:16 PM

A short story on the march that was held in Mr. Frey's memory. He was very well liked.

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/edicionimpresa.aspx?ed=ensenad...

BajaGringo - 10-24-2011 at 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

Para ellos, la vida vale madre.

Did you notice their ages?

21 and 23

Almost the identical age range of our attackers. I watched a special on gang violence the other night that stated that gang membership is actually up in the US. What frightens police the most is the newest gangbangers aged 18-22. They are cold, ruthless and brutal.

Maybe there is something to this 2012 thing afterall...

Woooosh - 10-24-2011 at 06:48 PM

The Disenfranchised Masses of the young, uneducated, stupid and lazy. It's the same way my neighbor was killed last year. Tied up, robbed and strangled with the cord from the blinds (for 500 pesos no less). The couple accused the victim of making sexual advances so it can be classified as a "crime of passion". The robbery and vehicle theft was incidental.

I remember telling my Dad that his "Greatest" generation got the best of the world. They were raised well and educated, fought and won WWII in two years and then returned home to the "leave it to beaver" years with opportunity and prosperity. Humble people working humble jobs living in humble houses (for the most-part). Things went downhill after that...

December 21, 2012 ? (Keep an eye on the middle east)

jeans - 10-24-2011 at 07:03 PM

Their eyes look dead - not human

BajaGringo - 10-24-2011 at 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
The Disenfranchised Masses of the young, uneducated, stupid and lazy. It's the same way my neighbor was killed last year. Tied up, robbed and strangled with the cord from the blinds (for 500 pesos no less). The couple accused the victim of making sexual advances so it can be classified as a "crime of passion". The robbery and vehicle theft was incidental.

I remember telling my Dad that his "Greatest" generation got the best of the world. They were raised well and educated, fought and won WWII in two years and then returned home to the "leave it to beaver" years with opportunity and prosperity. Humble people working humble jobs living in humble houses (for the most-part). Things went downhill after that...

December 21, 2012 ? (Keep an eye on the middle east)

Right on...

BajaRat - 10-24-2011 at 07:48 PM

So sad.
He sounds like a great man. Im sure he will be sorely missed. Rest in peace.
Unfortunately world violence and apathy is up. Be prepared to wager at all costs the game we all chose to participate in. Murder, robbery, abuse and chaos exist everywhere.I can say this for a fact because I work in a beautiful community that experiences calls of this nature. I can only suggest we be creative in our vigilance and protection. Big dogs give big warning, where you go from there in your families personal protection is your own business. I can tell you that I will risk prison and potential consequences while standing over a perpetrators body before I exhaust what is available to me.

DENNIS - 10-24-2011 at 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by jeans
Their eyes look dead - not human

I would imagine they went through some intense interogation.

BajaRat - 10-24-2011 at 08:13 PM

We must define and cannot shrink from our adversaries.

krafty - 10-24-2011 at 11:43 PM

Deportes, where do you live now? Pick up a paper in any city in the country, and there is bad stuff all over-you insinuate some. You have not lived in MX since the '80's? I may be misunderstanding.

Woooosh - 10-25-2011 at 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by krafty
Deportes, where do you live now? Pick up a paper in any city in the country, and there is bad stuff all over-you insinuate some. You have not lived in MX since the '80's? I may be misunderstanding.

In some countries they actually apprehend, prosecute and incarcerate criminals. Pick one of those to retire in.

JoeJustJoe - 10-25-2011 at 01:14 PM

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The Disenfranchised Masses of the young, uneducated, stupid and lazy.

This statement sounds pretty racist to me, although you try to hide the racism behind he killing of the old hippie free spirit Frey.

Fray sounds like a great liberal, and I suspect the Mexicans killers planed to kill him and rob him. But even the alleged Mexican killers get their day in court too. And it's not far-fetched to believe he may have tried to touch the Mexican young female suspect inappropriately after drinking with the two. You would be surprised how some Americans act in Mexico, and do things they would never do in the US. But even if Fray allegedly tried to touch the girl. That's still no reason to kill and rob him.

But forget about Fray and the two Mexican suspects for awhile.

What's this calling the Masses( Mexicans) young, uneducated, stupid and lazy?

Talk like this has no place on "Baja Nomads, and is really the kind of stuff I hear over at "stormfront" the White Nationalists forum or the other place you hang out at.

Be specific Wooosh and don't bash a whole group of people over the behavior of a few or the one.

The fact is many of these masses were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth like some people and their future isn't all that bright, but you give them a job and most of them will work hard.

If you want to blame somebody. Blame poverty.

[Edited on 10-25-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

Woooosh - 10-25-2011 at 02:03 PM

The poverty of Mexico is cultural, not racial. I believe this problem is worldwide, not just Mexican or American. The disenfranchised masses are the youth of the world.

Only you would turn this into race-baiting. Back to OT you vermin.

[Edited on 10-25-2011 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 10-25-2011 at 02:22 PM

http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=22400

Never mind about the small stuff. They just found this murder victim in Ensenada skinned. Not just dead, but skinned. That doesn't happen everywhere in the world does it? The really really bad guys are here now. We hoped it would not get here from the mainland, but here we go again. They haven't even identified the remains of the "pozolero" victims from the last narco-wave that went through Baja a few years back.

[Edited on 10-25-2011 by Woooosh]

deportes - 10-25-2011 at 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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In some countries they actually apprehend, prosecute and incarcerate criminals. Pick one of those to retire in.

Exactly, what scares me the most of Mexico is that the Policia in some cases are the perpetrators! In other countries you can count on the police to do their job well.

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Land of enchantment

Dave - 10-26-2011 at 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Never mind about the small stuff. They just found this murder victim in Ensenada skinned. Not just dead, but skinned. That doesn't happen everywhere in the world does it?

In "La Encantada" no less.

Who thinks up these names? :rolleyes:

JESSE - 10-26-2011 at 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

Para ellos, la vida vale madre.

Are you fulano the rat??

DENNIS - 10-26-2011 at 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

In "La Encantada" no less.

Who thinks up these names? :rolleyes:

Walt Disney invented Mexico.

durrelllrobert - 10-26-2011 at 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=22400

Never mind about the small stuff. They just found this murder victim in Ensenada skinned. Not just dead, but skinned. [Edited on 10-25-2011 by Woooosh]

Not skinned as would be an animal but his face was mutilated to make identification difficult. Terrible but not as bad as "SKINNED".

DENNIS - 10-26-2011 at 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Not skinned as would be an animal but his face was mutilated to make identification difficult. Terrible but not as bad as "SKINNED".

"Hallan cuerpo mutilado y desollado en la Encantada"
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"Desollado" translates to "Skinned."

Loretana - 10-26-2011 at 08:00 PM

"Walt Disney invented Mexico."

You know, Dennis, I had a feeling about this, years ago........

DENNIS - 10-26-2011 at 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by Loretana
"Walt Disney invented Mexico."

You know, Dennis, I had a feeling about this, years ago........

Only the young at heart can see and feel the connection. :bounce:

Fairy tales can come true

Dave - 10-26-2011 at 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Only the young at heart can see and feel the connection. :bounce:

Here is the best part,

You'll have a head start,

If you are among the very young at heart.

DENNIS - 10-27-2011 at 07:08 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
Here is the best part,

You'll have a head start,

If you are among the very young at heart.

We are blessed. :saint:

JoeJustJoe - 10-27-2011 at 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh
The poverty of Mexico is cultural, not racial. I believe this problem is worldwide, not just Mexican or American. The disenfranchised masses are the youth of the world.

Only you would turn this into race-baiting. Back to OT you vermin.

[Edited on 10-25-2011 by Woooosh]

Wooosh I see you edited your post.

Now instead of just saying, " The Disenfranchised Masses of the young, uneducated, stupid and lazy."

You now blame the whole Mexican culture for turning out young, uneducated, stupid, and lazy Mexicans for being poor!"

You're racist Woooosh!

Woooosh you should learn to keep these kind of racial thoughts to yourself. You can say that around your obvious Mexican "naco" family and friends, but if you go outside your Mexican circle and say something like this to a Mexican that doesn't know you. They might take offense to it, and put a new meaning to your "passive-aggressive opinion about Mexicans. ( one size doesn't fit all. You can't get away with making these types of racial stereotypes)

Don't get confused with the words Naco and narco. They have two different meanings.

To see what "naco" means check out the "Wikipedia"s" definition and see if it applies to any Mexicans you know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naco_%28slang%29

[Edited on 10-27-2011 by JoeJustJoe]

bajabass - 10-27-2011 at 11:07 AM

I read Whoosh's post, and I think he was referring to north and south of the border JoeJJoe. No racism inferred!
Go back to OT please.

DENNIS - 10-27-2011 at 11:20 AM

Why does Wooosh even talk to him in public???

bajabass - 10-27-2011 at 11:26 AM

:?:

Why does anybody talk to him Dennis?????

bajabass - 10-27-2011 at 11:28 AM

Except to tell him to go AWAY!!!

Woooosh - 10-27-2011 at 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Why does Wooosh even talk to him in public???

yeah- I fell off the ignore wagon...

[Edited on 10-27-2011 by Woooosh]

Mengano - 10-27-2011 at 09:01 PM

ENSENADA .- Members of the Ensenada Transition Association, founded by American Robert Paul Frey, who was murdered on October 19, denied that the motive for the murder was sexual harassment as suggested by the Attorney General of the State (PGJE ).

Based on the events that occurred days before the murder, Frey's friends have concluded that the crime was planned in advance by the couple, who betrayed themselves when Ana María Díaz Sedano showed up at the tribute for Frey on Sunday.

They reported that days before the violent act occurred, the alleged killers asked to borrow money from Frey, because they claimed that the house they rented from him had been inspected and the inspector asked for a monetary bribe.

However it was really because the alleged murderer, Óscar Adolfo Velázquez Munguía, was arrested days earlier by the State Preventive Police (PEP), and Robert Frey's friends say the money was needed for the release of Munguía.

"Apparently the money Frey gave them was not enough and they then began planning the robbery," said Edgar Oliva, one of the closest friends to the deceased.

In addition, upon learning that the young murderer is addicted to methamphetamine, they do not rule out that they wanted to steal money for the purchase and distribution of drugs, and that the killing was done under the effects of the drug.

They are dissatisfied with the Attorney General who publicized the offender's version as if it was official, without taking into account the evidence indicating that the murder was not spontaneous, but was premeditated.

They also felt that if the state police had not released Munguía, the tragedy could have been avoided.

Finally, they made it clear that it was initially believed, due to the manner in which the murder occurred, it had to do with Frey's political-environmentalist activities, a theory that was dismissed as more information was developed.

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/noticias/1/3/estatal/2011/10/27/514138/asesinato-de-paul-frey-fue-premeditado.aspx

From today's newspaper...

sanquintinsince73 - 10-30-2011 at 04:02 PM

These two pillars of society are formally going to prison and will be charged with premeditated murder amongst other things.

ENSENADA.- La Subprocuraduría de zona, a través de la Dirección de Control de Procesos fue notificada sobre el auto de formal prisión a Oscar Adolfo Velázquez Munguía de 23 años de edad y Ana María Díaz Cedano, de 21; por su presunta comisión de los delitos de homicidio calificado, robo con violencia y robo de vehículo, en agravio del norteamericano Robert Paul Frey.

Paul Frey de 66 años fue encontrado sin vida en su domicilio ubicado en la colonia Playa Ensenada la noche del pasado 19 de octubre. De las investigaciones realizadas por los agentes ministeriales adscritos al Grupo Contra Homicidios Dolosos, se logró la captura de los presuntos responsables, quienes en su declaración asentaron haber privado de la vida al norteamericano.

Ambos confesaron que, una vez que Frey perdió la vida hurtaron tres computadoras portátiles, un iphone, una tarjeta bancaria y el automóvil del occiso; por lo anterior, el Juez de la causa penal, dictó auto de formal prisión en contra de Velázquez Munguía y Díaz Cedano.

De acuerdo con el expediente penal, ambos serán procesados por los delitos de homicidio calificado con premeditación, alevosía y ventaja; robo con violencia y robo de vehículo. Oscar Adolfo Velázquez Munguía y Ana María Díaz Cedano, continuarán recluidos en la cárcel local, donde seguirán su proceso penal.