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Yet another dead American in Ensenada

Mengano - 10-28-2011 at 09:39 AM

An elderly man in his 70's, known only as "Jerry" to this neighbors, was found dead in his home in Caņon San Carlos in Ensenada on Wednesday. He was tied-up hand and foot. The man had been dead for several days before his body was found by a cleaning person.

http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=22438

SiReNiTa - 10-28-2011 at 09:45 AM

Same MO?? Scary to see things like this happening so close to us!
Condolences to the family, RIP.


I hope it has nothing to do with the other man...

bajaguy - 10-28-2011 at 09:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
An elderly man in his 70's, known only as "Jerry" to this neighbors, was found dead in his home in Caņon San Carlos in Ensenada on Wednesday. He was tied-up hand and foot. The man had been dead for several days before his body was found by a cleaning person.

http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=22438





And where in that article does it say he was an American and his name is Jerry???

Mengano - 10-28-2011 at 09:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
And where in that article does it say he was an American and his name is Jerry???


It doesn't. Look around a little, you'll find the answer.

Bob H - 10-28-2011 at 10:16 AM

These types of murders are most likely drug related.

Mengano - 10-28-2011 at 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by Bob H
These types of murders are most likely drug related.


Yeah, a 70-something retired Gringo who speaks little Spanish. Right. Good thinking. :rolleyes:

bajaguy - 10-28-2011 at 10:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
And where in that article does it say he was an American and his name is Jerry???


It doesn't. Look around a little, you'll find the answer.





You said it, provide the proof or the link

Mengano - 10-28-2011 at 10:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
You said it, provide the proof or the link


You'll have to work for it. It's for your own good. If you want to live in Mexico you'll need to start reading the Mexican newspapers for information. Integrate yourself into Mexican society. Take an interest in your adopted country. That's what Americans expect of immigrants in the US.

classicbajabronco - 10-28-2011 at 10:25 AM

bajaguy...read the comments posted below the article. 1st comment said otra gringo...no name however.

as far as being drug related..you can bet your burro it is. The murderer was more than likely a drug addict...robbing the elderly to pay for his habit.

Woooosh - 10-28-2011 at 10:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
You said it, provide the proof or the link


You'll have to work for it. It's for your own good. If you want to live in Mexico you'll need to start reading the Mexican newspapers for information. Integrate yourself into Mexican society. Take an interest in your adopted country. That's what Americans expect of immigrants in the US.

It's too bad there is no standing applause icon for that post.

My spoken Spanish truly sucks, but I studied Latin in school and I can make my way through written Spanish. That plus google-translate gives me only about 70% content accuracy, but it's a start to reading and understanding what is going on in the press.

[Edited on 10-28-2011 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 10-28-2011 at 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by classicbajabronco
bajaguy...read the comments posted below the article. 1st comment said otra gringo...no name however.

as far as being drug related..you can bet your burro it is. The murderer was more than likely a drug addict...robbing the elderly to pay for his habit.

You can be the innocent victim and the crime drug related. They always pick on the weak and vulnerable first. The victim being a "gringo" senior citizen just means they think they have a better chance of getting away with it.

mtgoat666 - 10-28-2011 at 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
You said it, provide the proof or the link


You'll have to work for it. It's for your own good. If you want to live in Mexico you'll need to start reading the Mexican newspapers for information. Integrate yourself into Mexican society. Take an interest in your adopted country. That's what Americans expect of immigrants in the US.

It's too bad there is no standing applause icon for that post.


applaud fulano???

surely you jest!

Woooosh - 10-28-2011 at 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
You said it, provide the proof or the link


You'll have to work for it. It's for your own good. If you want to live in Mexico you'll need to start reading the Mexican newspapers for information. Integrate yourself into Mexican society. Take an interest in your adopted country. That's what Americans expect of immigrants in the US.

It's too bad there is no standing applause icon for that post.


applaud fulano???

surely you jest!

the applause would be content-based, not source-based. Who? lol

DENNIS - 10-28-2011 at 11:18 AM

This has to be the undeniable wake-up call for the expat down here. It seems that murder has become a form of communication.
Those of us, young or old, just can't be isolated any more. It's suicidal.

Opportunity, opportunity, knockin' at your door

Dave - 10-28-2011 at 11:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
This has to be the undeniable wake-up call for the expat down here. It seems that murder has become a form of communication.
Those of us, young or old, just can't be isolated any more. It's suicidal.


If you were in the robbery business whom would you choose?

A Mexican who might have a gun and might recognize you...

Or a Gringo who doesn't, thinks you all look and sound alike...and has money?

DENNIS - 10-28-2011 at 11:41 AM

Goes without sayin'.

BajaBlanca - 10-28-2011 at 11:53 AM

the comments below the article say that the druggies are targeting Americans who are elderly.

time to rethink where you are living folks, not that anywhere in the world is safe, but heading to a smaller village does have its advantages.

stay away from la bocana - we are on the pacific and it is waaaaaaaay toooooooo windy here !!

:o

Woooosh - 10-28-2011 at 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca but heading to a smaller village does have its advantages. :o


How could being more isolated be safer? I think a recent nomad experience shows the exact opposite would be true.
:?::?:

[Edited on 10-28-2011 by Woooosh]

JoeJustJoe - 10-28-2011 at 12:14 PM

C,mon what's with the wimpy group panic? Somebody needs to slap and backhand a few of you around in order that you get control of yourselves!

So how many dead gringos that this make for the year in Baja?

It's just an aberration that two old gringos with killed within two weeks of each other.

I'm sorry to say but I don't think it's open season of old gringos in Baja yet.( I will keep my thoughts to myself here)

I don't have the exact numbers, but I would bet money that gringos aren't being killed in Mexico any higher than they are being killed in the states.

The fact is the vast majority of killings in Mexico is still drug related and engaging in illegal actives.

I do read the Baja papers, and I even read the Baja "Alarmists" blogs, and so I see all these types of stories when any American is killed in Baja, and there isn't that many of these types of stories.

baja1943 - 10-28-2011 at 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe


I do read the Baja papers.
Google translate :lol:. Have you ever been to Mexico?

Maybe This Story Will Be Helpful

Gypsy Jan - 10-28-2011 at 03:09 PM

Last weekend, there was an attempted break-in at one of our neighbor's homes.

The home is vacant 99% of the time, but, as luck would have it, the owners were home. They heard the activity and called for help.

The guys were caught.

Like Wooosh, my comprehension of spoken Spanish is about only 70%, but this is what I understood from the conversation when a friend who told us about it.

The guys said that because the house had no cars outside, they thought is was empty. They passed on our house and others nearby because of cars and noisy dogs.

[Edited on 10-28-2011 by Gypsy Jan]

durrelllrobert - 10-30-2011 at 07:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
An elderly man in his 70's, known only as "Jerry" to this neighbors, was found dead in his home in Caņon San Carlos in Ensenada on Wednesday. He was tied-up hand and foot. The man had been dead for several days before his body was found by a cleaning person.

http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=22438





And where in that article does it say he was an American and his name is Jerry???


http://ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=22446]


Posted October 28, 2011
by Elizabeth Vargas

Zone's Attorney, confirmed that an American was the man whose body was found inside his home in San Carlos killed on Thursday night.

According to official reports the deceased was identified as Gary Barlow Louis, 65 years old.


The body was inside a room, next to the bed in the right lateral decubitus position, had their hands tied behind them and was in a state of decomposition.


Forensic Medical Service personnel moved the body to Semefo facilities to make it law necropsy.

drzura - 10-30-2011 at 09:07 AM

Yeah...... Mexico has pretty much become nothing more than a schit hole these days...

[Edited on 10-30-2011 by drzura]

krafty - 10-30-2011 at 09:24 AM

OLD GRINGO? 65 is not old!:O

DENNIS - 10-30-2011 at 09:30 AM

This was posted on the Punta Banda Bulletin Board yesterday:
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"ANOTHER CHILLING REMINDER TO BE VIGILANT AND KEEP YOUR DOORS LOCKED"
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As reported in Ensenada.net in a later article [for which I don't have a link as
yet] the victim is a morning regular at Paty's coffee shop in La Joya. His
name...Gary.
This saddens all who enjoyed his company....especially, me. He was a man of the
land, a farmer in the states, and he would occasionally call on me for computer
contact assistance and other things.
He will be missed.

PS.....Gary did everything we advise not to do as far as safety is concerned.
He seldom locked his doors and he did what has sadly become a detriment to
health and safety....he trusted people.

How times have changed.

[moderator's note: link is here: http://ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=22446]

norte - 10-30-2011 at 09:35 AM

I wonder if people will continue to stick the head in the sand on how dangerous Baja really is?

wessongroup - 10-30-2011 at 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by krafty
OLD GRINGO? 65 is not old!:O


Ditto's ... :):)

drzura - 10-30-2011 at 09:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by norte
I wonder if people will continue to stick the head in the sand on how dangerous Baja really is?


Pretty much so. Well..........until something happens to them directly.

jakecard - 10-30-2011 at 09:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by drzura
Yeah...... Mexico has pretty much become nothing more than a schit hole these days...


Unlike the United States?





Jake

sanquintinsince73 - 10-30-2011 at 09:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
This was posted on the Punta Banda Bulletin Board yesterday:
--------------------

"ANOTHER CHILLING REMINDER TO BE VIGILANT AND KEEP YOUR DOORS LOCKED"
----------------

As reported in Ensenada.net in a later article [for which I don't have a link as
yet] the victim is a morning regular at Paty's coffee shop in La Joya. His
name...Gary.
This saddens all who enjoyed his company....especially, me. He was a man of the
land, a farmer in the states, and he would occasionally call on me for computer
contact assistance and other things.
He will be missed.

PS.....Gary did everything we advise not to do as far as safety is concerned.
He seldom locked his doors and he did what has sadly become a detriment to
health and safety....he trusted people.

How times have changed.

[moderator's note: link is here: http://ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=22446]


Damn Dennis, these incidents hit closer to home each time. Be vigilant my friend.

drzura - 10-30-2011 at 10:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by jakecard
Quote:
Originally posted by drzura
Yeah...... Mexico has pretty much become nothing more than a schit hole these days...


Unlike the United States?





Jake


Naw..... It's more pronounced in Mexico nowadays (headless bodies dangling from bridges, Casino's being caught on fire, grenades being thrown in bars). Its so sad because Mexico is such a pretty place.

Ateo - 10-30-2011 at 10:07 AM

Happens every day around the world. Chill out and live life before you die. Go outside and have fun today.

drzura - 10-30-2011 at 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by ateo
Happens every day around the world. Chill out and live life before you die. Go outside and have fun today.


True.... You do have to get outside and enjoy life. Part of the enjoying life part is about feeling safe. Can anyone be totally safe... no. Just have to be more aware of you surroundings. Will it stop me from going to Baja?.....NO.....

My mom had an idea of living in Baja when she retires. She wanted to stay at my lot in the San Lucas Cove area. With her being single, I do not think that would be a good idea with all this crap going on.

[Edited on 10-30-2011 by drzura]

[Edited on 10-30-2011 by drzura]

jakecard - 10-30-2011 at 10:19 AM

One nomad said in a different thread recently that he couldn't wait to get out of California because of the violence.

That Mexico is a pretty place has no relevance to murder. The U.S. is a pretty place too, but mass murders are a fact of life here as well---Fort Hood, Virginia Tech., Phoenix?

All perspective, I reckon.






Jake

DENNIS - 10-30-2011 at 10:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by norte
I wonder if people will continue to stick the head in the sand on how dangerous Baja really is?


Sure they will. That will be facilitated by the American 60 day memory span.

DENNIS - 10-30-2011 at 10:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
Happens every day around the world. Chill out and live life before you die. Go outside and have fun today.


GEE....thanks for telling me how to handle my grief. Gary was a friend of mine, and this whole thing disturbs me a lot, but thanks for telling me how I should equate this on the big world scale.
Yeah....I feel a lot better now.

Ateo - 10-30-2011 at 10:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
Happens every day around the world. Chill out and live life before you die. Go outside and have fun today.


GEE....thanks for telling me how to handle my grief. Gary was a friend of mine, and this whole thing disturbs me a lot, but thanks for telling me how I should equate this on the big world scale.
Yeah....I feel a lot better now.


I wasn't telling you how to grieve Dennis. I was trying to put things in perspective. The headline made it sound like gringos get killed every day all day throughout Ensenada. I'm sorry your friend was killed. I was just disagreeing with the fear and Baja violence hype on this thread.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-30-2011 at 10:34 AM

Dennis, there is nothing I can say or anything I can do, but I am so sorry for the loss of your friend. When you can, please convey our condolences to his family.

Ateo - 10-30-2011 at 10:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by drzura
Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
Happens every day around the world. Chill out and live life before you die. Go outside and have fun today.


True.... You do have to get outside and enjoy life. Part of the enjoying life part is about feeling safe. Can anyone be totally safe... no. Just have to be more aware of you surroundings. Will it stop me from going to Baja?.....NO.....

My mom had an idea of living in Baja when she retires. She wanted to stay at my lot in the San Lucas Cove area. With her being single, I do not think that would be a good idea with all this crap going on.

[Edited on 10-30-2011 by drzura]

[Edited on 10-30-2011 by drzura]




I completely disagree about violence in Baja. I think it's mostly hype.

BajaBlanca - 10-30-2011 at 11:08 AM

the crime in la bocana is the least I have seen anywhere. in my life. it is such a small town. we are a community of 651 people. ditto for punta abreojos. the only crime to speak of is petty theft - a kid who is on drugs and steals from his mom and dad (who turn him or her in), a kid who "borrows" a neighbor's car, typical youngster stuff.

the one VERY SERIOUS criminal act in 5 years that La Bocana did have involved 2 Americans being brutally attacked......and was (rumor has it) drug related. It was horrible, nonetheless, and the whole town got together to figure out how to never let it happen again (the perpetrators were never found/arrested...true Baja politics).

when I think of moving elsewhere, I honestly cannot think of anywhere in the whole world where I would feel safer and that is one reason we are here. not to mention that it is gorgeous. not to mention that our Mexican neighbors are kind and friendly. not to mention that the fishing is some of the best on the peninsula. but really, without safety, all the above is useless.

BajaGringo - 10-30-2011 at 11:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBlanca
the crime in la bocana is the least I have seen anywhere. in my life. it is such a small town. we are a community of 651 people. ditto for punta abreojos. the only crime to speak of is petty theft - a kid who is on drugs and steals from his mom and dad (who turn him or her in), a kid who "borrows" a neighbor's car, typical youngster stuff.

the one VERY SERIOUS criminal act in 5 years that La Bocana did have involved 2 Americans being brutally attacked......and was (rumor has it) drug related. It was horrible, nonetheless, and the whole town got together to figure out how to never let it happen again (the perpetrators were never found/arrested...true Baja politics).

when I think of moving elsewhere, I honestly cannot think of anywhere in the whole world where I would feel safer and that is one reason we are here. not to mention that it is gorgeous. not to mention that our Mexican neighbors are kind and friendly. not to mention that the fishing is some of the best on the peninsula. but really, without safety, all the above is useless.


It sounds a lot like where we chose to live.

The community around us came to our aid, saved our lives and help the police chase down and catch our attackers. They have watched over and cared for our property/pets in our absence and have become our extended family...

Mengano - 10-30-2011 at 12:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
I completely disagree about violence in Baja. I think it's mostly hype.


That's because you are not a Mexican.

Oddjob - 10-30-2011 at 12:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBlanca
the crime in la bocana is the least I have seen anywhere. in my life. it is such a small town. we are a community of 651 people. ditto for punta abreojos. the only crime to speak of is petty theft - a kid who is on drugs and steals from his mom and dad (who turn him or her in), a kid who "borrows" a neighbor's car, typical youngster stuff.

the one VERY SERIOUS criminal act in 5 years that La Bocana did have involved 2 Americans being brutally attacked......and was (rumor has it) drug related. It was horrible, nonetheless, and the whole town got together to figure out how to never let it happen again (the perpetrators were never found/arrested...true Baja politics).

when I think of moving elsewhere, I honestly cannot think of anywhere in the whole world where I would feel safer and that is one reason we are here. not to mention that it is gorgeous. not to mention that our Mexican neighbors are kind and friendly. not to mention that the fishing is some of the best on the peninsula. but really, without safety, all the above is useless.



I remember the attack of the father and son while they were sleeping in La Bocana, but the rumor that it was drug related was false. It seems that everyone knew the attacker, and he was never arrested or charged with the assault. Mexican justice?

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=34051#pid3551...

Mengano - 10-30-2011 at 12:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
The community around us came to our aid, saved our lives and help the police chase down and catch our attackers.


The people that tried to kill you and your wife were also from the same community. You said in an earlier post you knew two of them.

Being attacked by the community and then rescued by the community is one Hell of a way to go through life.

Cypress - 10-30-2011 at 12:21 PM

Yea, Every community has it's good, it's bad and it's ugly.:(

BajaGringo - 10-30-2011 at 12:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
The community around us came to our aid, saved our lives and help the police chase down and catch our attackers.


The people that tried to kill you and your wife were also from the same community. You said in an earlier post you knew two of them.

Being attacked by the community and then rescued by the community is one Hell of a way to go through life.


Nope - they were all from Sinaloa. I recognized two of them as they had been down here on the beach working odd jobs the year before. The community around us would have killed them if the police hadn't gotten to them first...

DENNIS - 10-30-2011 at 12:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
I completely disagree about violence in Baja. I think it's mostly hype.


That's because you are not a Mexican.


It's not just for Mexicans to see. Only the voluntarily blind will ignore the reports in the Mexico newspapers. Fulano [:biggrin:] and Maggie alone do a good job of keeping the English Only reader aware of events.
Three assaults on expats in the last two weeks, two resulting in brutal death, in my neighborhood alone, and those are only what I've read about.
This is definitly the harbinger of a trend that may not end any time soon. Many of the disenfranchised and morally decrepit have seen what the world has, that violence in Mexico can't be stopped and it has it's rewards. They know that apprehension is a crap-shoot and crime in Mexico has, in the past, gone largely unpunished and they're willing to take the chance.

This is the way it is. It hasn't been like this forever, but it's a trend that is gaining in popularity. Look at some of the perp-walk fotos being shown to the public. Many of these suspects are young, clean cut. Not the gang-banger type we see NOB. Crime is becoming a popular activity and it's boundless. Murder is becoming a reasonable solution for so many people.

I don't know about you, but this scares the sheit out of me and I've been to a lot of county fairs.
"Mostly hype??" My asss.

BajaGringo - 10-30-2011 at 12:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
I completely disagree about violence in Baja. I think it's mostly hype.


That's because you are not a Mexican.


It's not just for Mexicans to see. Only the voluntarily blind will ignore the reports in the Mexico newspapers. Fulano [:biggrin:] and Maggie alone do a good job of keeping the English Only reader aware of events.
Three assaults on expats in the last two weeks, two resulting in brutal death, in my neighborhood alone, and those are only what I've read about.
This is definitly the harbinger of a trend that may not end any time soon. Many of the disenfranchised and morally decrepit have seen what the world has, that violence in Mexico can't be stopped and it has it's rewards. They know that apprehension is a crap-shoot and crime in Mexico has, in the past, gone largely unpunished and they're willing to take the chance.

This is the way it is. It hasn't been like this forever, but it's a trend that is gaining in popularity. Look at some of the perp-walk fotos being shown to the public. Many of these suspects are young, clean cut. Not the gang-banger type we see NOB. Crime is becoming a popular activity and it's boundless. Murder is becoming a reasonable solution for so many people.

I don't know about you, but this scares the sheit out of me and I've been to a lot of county fairs.
"Mostly hype??" My burrro.


That really sucks Dennis. It is a changing environment and while we made the decision to come back down I have said that I wouldn't blame anyone who thinks differently.

Our community around us is a large group of families all related by blood. Brothers, sisters, moms, dads, cousins, nieces, nephews and grandchildren. They are very tight knit and we feel fortunate to be accepted in as members of the community. They reacted to us and what happened as family would and I give them full credit for us being alive today and the perps behind bars.

Not all communities are the same down here and one must make the decision of if/where on a case to case basis with full knowledge of what is going on and evaluating their own situation / comfort zone...

toneart - 10-30-2011 at 12:58 PM

The reality is that violent crimes to gringos appear to be increasing and the attacks are especially gruesome. They cannot be denied or ignored. Gringos with homes seem to be newly targeted while the tourists are not (yet).


It requires intense observation and reading from many sources including Mexican Newspapers. Even then, in Mexico, Journalists are an endangered species. They are intimidated and many are murdered. It is difficult to get the information needed to have an accurate picture of the scale of violence. Isolated incidents DO string together to form a trend!!

While most of these new violent crimes are more concentrated in the north, we still have to drive through those areas to get south. As I do, I realize that millions of people go about their daily lives without incident. Those are pretty good odds.

Throughout my lifetime I have refused to let fear guide my life. But fear does lurk in the background. How could it not? I will make my decisions about returning to my Mulege home flexible. The driver of my decision will not be fear so much as informed caution. I will probably go again next season but that could change. I will maintain all the usual precautions and certainly will not intervene in a burglary, make innuendos towards anyone's girlfriend or associate in any way with people involved with drugs. I have never been very trusting, so that vigilance will remain.

A major quality of life issue is to not be terrorized by the threat of violence. Last year, Mulege did not engender that feeling. The general mood was upbeat and our interaction with locals was good as always. I could still walk around, day or night, feeling free. The locals' attitudes towards gringos could be affected by the increasingly downward economy. We will see.

The love of the Mexican scenery and the country's majority of good people are not enough to risk my life, if that is the perception I form. I am continually monitoring and am will remain aware and flexible.:coolup:

BajaGringo - 10-30-2011 at 01:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
The reality is that violent crimes to gringos appear to be increasing and the attacks are especially gruesome. They cannot be denied or ignored. Gringos with homes seem to be newly targeted while the tourists are not (yet).


It requires intense observation and reading from many sources including Mexican Newspapers. Even then, in Mexico, Journalists are an endangered species. They are intimidated and many are murdered. It is difficult to get the information needed to have an accurate picture of the scale of violence. Isolated incidents DO string together to form a trend!!

While most of these new violent crimes are more concentrated in the north, we still have to drive through those areas to get south. As I do, I realize that millions of people go about their daily lives without incident. Those are pretty good odds.

Throughout my lifetime I have refused to let fear guide my life. But fear does lurk in the background. How could it not? I will make my decisions about returning to my Mulege home flexible. The driver of my decision will not be fear so much as informed caution. I will probably go again next season but that could change. I will maintain all the usual precautions and certainly will not intervene in a burglary, make innuendos towards anyone's girlfriend or associate in any way with people involved with drugs. I have never been very trusting, so that vigilance will remain.

A major quality of life issue is to not be terrorized by the threat of violence. Last year, Mulege did not engender that feeling. The general mood was upbeat and our interaction with locals was good as always. I could still walk around, day or night, feeling free. The locals' attitudes towards gringos could be affected by the increasingly downward economy. We will see.

The love of the Mexican scenery and the country's majority of good people are not enough to risk my life, if that is the perception I form. I am continually monitoring and am will remain aware and flexible.:coolup:



Very well stated...

Mengano - 10-30-2011 at 01:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Three assaults on expats in the last two weeks, two resulting in brutal death, in my neighborhood alone, and those are only what I've read about.


As a point of order, there were four assaults and three American deaths. You probably forgot the poor American woman who had her head bashed in and who was found in the Ensenada cemetery. Only one of these events were ever reported in the US press.

Woooosh - 10-30-2011 at 01:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Mengano
Quote:
Originally posted by ateo
I completely disagree about violence in Baja. I think it's mostly hype.


That's because you are not a Mexican.


It's not just for Mexicans to see. Only the voluntarily blind will ignore the reports in the Mexico newspapers. Fulano [:biggrin:] and Maggie alone do a good job of keeping the English Only reader aware of events.
Three assaults on expats in the last two weeks, two resulting in brutal death, in my neighborhood alone, and those are only what I've read about.
This is definitly the harbinger of a trend that may not end any time soon. Many of the disenfranchised and morally decrepit have seen what the world has, that violence in Mexico can't be stopped and it has it's rewards. They know that apprehension is a crap-shoot and crime in Mexico has, in the past, gone largely unpunished and they're willing to take the chance.

This is the way it is. It hasn't been like this forever, but it's a trend that is gaining in popularity. Look at some of the perp-walk fotos being shown to the public. Many of these suspects are young, clean cut. Not the gang-banger type we see NOB. Crime is becoming a popular activity and it's boundless. Murder is becoming a reasonable solution for so many people.

I don't know about you, but this scares the sheit out of me and I've been to a lot of county fairs.
"Mostly hype??" My burrro.


I agree with Dennis. The distinction I make when people say "It could have happened in the USA too, or the USA is just as bad" is that crime pays- both in the USA and Mexico. The rich and connected get preferential treatment everywhere in the world. That's where the similarity ends. It is the lack of consequences for extreme criminal actions in Mexico that make the two situations different. Americans will call the police for everything. Mexicans won't call the police for anything important- the little stuff, yes. Most Mexican victims will not call the police for a number of reasons (fear of police complicity, fear of real danger to their family if they report, and apathy that nothing will ever come of their reporting). If they do report and the police do their jobs and arrest, the prosecutors lose to the criminal lawyers. If the are found guilty and are sent to jail, the criminals know they can still get out. Everyone is Teflon down here- that's why they send the really bad guys stateside for prison.

mtgoat666 - 10-30-2011 at 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Three assaults on expats in the last two weeks, two resulting in brutal death, in my neighborhood alone, and those are only what I've read about.


As a point of order, there were four assaults and three American deaths. You probably forgot the poor American woman who had her head bashed in and who was found in the Ensenada cemetery. Only one of these events were ever reported in the US press.


fulano,
why don't your provide links to the articles your write to instill fear in tourists and ex pats? do you still own your house in las gaviotas? based on your blogs it would appear you have abandoned mexico because of its lawlessness, to stay home in east county of san diego, eh? why are you still obsessed with mexico and baja nomadlandia in particular?

jakecard - 10-30-2011 at 01:21 PM

Does anyone have an opinion on whether it is "safer" to immerse yourself in or to isolate yourself from your local community in Baja?





Jake

Cypress - 10-30-2011 at 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by jakecard
Does anyone have an opinion on whether it is "safer" to immerse yourself in or to isolate yourself from your local community in Baja?
Very good question.


Jake

Ateo - 10-30-2011 at 01:29 PM

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I completely disagree about violence in Baja. I think it's mostly hype.


That's because you are not a Mexican.


Nope I'm not a Mexican, but my wife is. Born and raised in TJ till the age of 25, and she agrees with me.

JoeJustJoe - 10-30-2011 at 01:38 PM

Quit it guys you're scaring me!

Gringos being targeted!

Gringos being killed and tied up like animals!

Yet the "Nomad" members that want to scare other "Nomad" members from living or visiting Mexico they themselves are still living in Mexico, although they do seem to be cowering in fear under the blankets or peaking behind their windows.

But the question remains. Why do these fear mongers still live in Baja and other parts of Mexico?

Oh that's right they can't sell their Mexican property and don't want to take a substantial dollar lost of a few thousand dollars, and be forced back to the states and living in a tiny apartment in San Diego without an ocean view.

Now me if I were that scared. I'd just walk away, and take whatever I could get for my property, because I think my life is more valuable that a few thousand dollars.

There is no statistical evidence that gringos are being targeted in Mexico anymore than Mexican Nationals. The only evidence they have is a few stories of a few gringos getting killed, and those types of stories are rare. The only thing going on is there has been a few of those stories close together recently.

In the mean time life goes on in Mexico, and the line coming back from Mexico into the USA is longer than ever. Telling you that not everybody is scared.

Ateo - 10-30-2011 at 01:49 PM

My word "hype" upset some. Every time I tell someone I'm going to Baja I hear the same crap. "Aren't you afraid your going to get killed, shot, tortured, beaten, or placed in a drum of acid?". The media did this to these people. They are scared. I'm not. Mexico is not Mogadishu. Baja is pretty darn safe, unless you are a policeman or part of the drug trade. Now there may be pockets of unsafe areas, so it's best to avoid them. Let's say there were 15 murders in 3 months in the Punta Banda area. I would avoid the Punta Banda area.

I worry about getting killed on the transpeninsular highway. I don't worry about getting killed while camping on a remote stretch of the seven sisters. I do worry about breaking my leg out there, away from hospitals. I worry when I drive thru TJ a little. I worry when I work in South Central LA.

It's taken us 4 billion years to get to this moment, alive, typing on a computer keyboard about issues that concern us. I want to stay alive. I want good things for my fellow humans. The world can be a dangerous place to be alive. It's best to make judgements based on critical thinking and the use of facts. Don't believe the hype!

Lee - 10-30-2011 at 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I don't know about you, but this scares the sheit out of me and I've been to a lot of county fairs.
"Mostly hype??" My burrro.


Having the sheit scared out of you is your choice. Being afraid you'll be the next recipient of violence, and doing nothing about it, is illogical. You might consider getting out of Ensenada.

It's different in BCS.

Regardless of it's problems, Baja is still Paradise to many. Your choice.

On the other hand, I've always thought life is cheap -- and cheaper in MX.

DENNIS - 10-30-2011 at 02:53 PM

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That really sucks Dennis. It is a changing environment and while we made the decision to come back down I have said that I wouldn't blame anyone who thinks differently.



You're right, Ron. Now it's on us to make another decision....whether this is still heaven....or hell. I don't like it either, but I wood-framed my house with this in mind. I may leave, but the house I leave behind will be left in cinders.
I'm close to that point.

I believe Soulpatch/Frank has seen the light....just in time. That alone makes me feel good. This is no place to be starting a new life with wife and kids.

People here can accuse me of over-reacting and being alarmist. That's OK....maybe I am, but I choose to react with caution. This change in society can't be dismissed as having no reason and it's trajectory must be studied.
I see it as dangerous.

DENNIS - 10-30-2011 at 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Lee
Having the sheit scared out of you is your choice. Being afraid you'll be the next recipient of violence, and doing nothing about it, is illogical. You might consider getting out of Ensenada.



With what you know about me, Lee, I can't believe you said that. You have to know my guns are locked and loaded.
Why are you jumping my sheit?

mulegemichael - 10-30-2011 at 05:14 PM

Hey D....where ya gonna move to?...really?...i mean?....we're all really screwed, aren't we?

Lee - 10-30-2011 at 06:12 PM

Violence fighting violence? Guns in Baja? Not adding up here, Dennis. If you are truly frightened down there, it doesn't make sense to go where you're feeling safe?

Thinking you know the ropes around shooting someone down there. I don't.

You're coming across like those alarmists NOB -- just feeding the neurosis.

Don't understand why you're in Ensenada anyway -- you belong down South.

Don't think there's violence in Asuncion. Don't think Shari feels scared.

Pompano - 10-30-2011 at 06:20 PM

Panama and Costa Rica have lots of nice hammocks strung under shady palms... on sandy beaches...and gentle breezes.

I almost never have to duck ricochets.

DENNIS - 10-30-2011 at 06:26 PM

Too old to be moving south. Gotta be headin' toward a care-giving base. Not a kid anymore.
Y'all take care of making new memories....I'll take care of the ones I already have.

DENNIS - 10-30-2011 at 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Lee
You're coming across like those alarmists NOB -- just feeding the neurosis.



C'mon, Lee.....doncha think I can be concerned without thinking of myself?
I have nothing to lose. Nothing.....except the welfare of my dog.