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Americans in Mexico

sanquintinsince73 - 11-3-2011 at 01:06 PM

VALPARAISO, Chile — According to data from the US State Department, the first six months of 2011 represented the most deadly period of the past eight years for US citizens in Mexico.



From January 4 to June 11 of this year, 65 Americans were killed in Mexico, a 300 percent increase since 2003. This figure comes from La Opinion, which gained access to a report compiled by the US State Department. As the paper notes, the actual number of deaths may be higher in reality, as the figures only refer to voluntarily reported deaths.

Still, the numbers reveal some noteworthy patterns about the most dangerous places, statistically, for Americans in the country. The report found that Baja California, Tamaulipas, Chihuahua, Sonora, and Sinaloa have been the site of most of the violence, with a third of the deaths occurring in the border cities of Ciudad Juarez and Tijuana.

In its most recent travel advisory, issued on April 22, the State Department also warned US citizens to exercise extreme caution when traveling to the states of Michoacán, Durango, Zacatecas, San Luis Potosí, Guerrero, and Jalisco. Nevertheless, the State Department warning points out that “there is no evidence that US tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship,” a reminder that attacks on Americans are usually opportunistic, and not systemic in nature.

Woooosh - 11-3-2011 at 01:15 PM

They didn't count the two Americans killed near me in Rosarito last month. Not a word in the press about them being American. The real number is higher, just as the article states... "the actual number of deaths may be higher in reality, as the figures only refer to voluntarily reported deaths."

Now why would Mexico voluntarily report American deaths in times like these? Only if they have to...

[Edited on 11-3-2011 by Woooosh]

sanquintinsince73 - 11-3-2011 at 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
They didn't even count two Americans killed near me in Rosarito last month. Not a word in the press they were American. The real number is higher, jst as the article states... "the actual number of deaths may be higher in reality, as the figures only refer to voluntarily reported deaths."

Why would Mexico voluntarily report them in times like these? Only if they have to...

I got it off of MSN. Maybe those are official State Dept. statistics and not Mexico's....who knows.

tripledigitken - 11-3-2011 at 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
VALPARAISO, Chile — According to data from the US State Department, the first six months of 2011 represented the most deadly period of the past eight years for US citizens in Mexico.



From January 4 to June 11 of this year, 65 Americans were killed in Mexico, a 300 percent increase since 2003. This figure comes from La Opinion, which gained access to a report compiled by the US State Department. As the paper notes, the actual number of deaths may be higher in reality, as the figures only refer to voluntarily reported deaths.

Still, the numbers reveal some noteworthy patterns about the most dangerous places, statistically, for Americans in the country. The report found that Baja California, Tamaulipas, Chihuahua, Sonora, and Sinaloa have been the site of most of the violence, with a third of the deaths occurring in the border cities of Ciudad Juarez and Tijuana.

In its most recent travel advisory, issued on April 22, the State Department also warned US citizens to exercise extreme caution when traveling to the states of Michoacán, Durango, Zacatecas, San Luis Potosí, Guerrero, and Jalisco. Nevertheless, the State Department warning points out that “there is no evidence that US tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship,” a reminder that attacks on Americans are usually opportunistic, and not systemic in nature.


Is this supposed to make us feel better?

David K - 11-3-2011 at 01:21 PM

Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship?

sanquintinsince73 - 11-3-2011 at 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship?


I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship....

David K - 11-3-2011 at 01:28 PM

Me too...

Mengano - 11-3-2011 at 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
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Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship?


I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship....


You mean, like Robert Paul Frey and Gary Louis Barlow? Their bodies are not even cold yet and you have already insulted their lives and thrown them under the bus, just to protect your image of Mexico.

Que poco madre.

Only fools think USA is super safer than Baja

mcfez - 11-3-2011 at 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano
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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
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Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship?


I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship....


You mean, like Robert Paul Frey and Gary Louis Barlow? Their bodies are not even cold yet and you have already insulted their lives and thrown them under the bus, just to protect your image of Mexico.

Que poco madre.



Ya nutz Mengano (or is it Fulano?) I rather live in Baja than SANTA ANA, Calif

SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — A disgruntled father charged with murdering his ex-wife and seven others confessed to police that he shot up a Seal Beach hair salon after arguing over custody of his 8-year-old son, court papers show.

Shortly after his arrest, shooting suspect Scott Dekraai told an investigator he argued with his ex-wife Michelle Fournier by phone the morning of Oct. 12, then took three handguns with extra magazines and ammunition and donned a bulletproof vest and drove to a nearby beach where he got out and pondered shooting her, according to a statement in support of a search warrant filed in Orange County Superior Court.

[Edited on 11-3-2011 by mcfez]

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The rest of the story

bajaguy - 11-3-2011 at 03:17 PM

Unfortunately, we do not get the rest of the story about the deaths of Americans in Mexico.....just the headlines. Little or no follow up on these deaths......background on victims, cause/manner of death, arrests of suspects......

Oddjob - 11-3-2011 at 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
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Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship?


I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship....



And DK says "Me too"

What a foolish response from you DK. Paint all of the victims as criminals.

bajatravelergeorge - 11-3-2011 at 03:58 PM

Sh*t happens everywhere. But it attracts more attention from the press when it happens in Mexico. How much do you hear about the drastic rise in crime in Italy, or the drug related violence along the U.S./Canadian border.

Although I must admit that there are less beheadings in those places. But dead is dead. Head or no head.

sancho - 11-3-2011 at 04:00 PM

When US Citizens are listed as killed in Mex,
one has to do the Political Correct dance,
one may be born in the US but have direct ties
to Mex, and as mentioned SOMETIMES to criminal elements. The leading cause of Americans killed in a foreign
country has often been vehicle accidents, don't know if that was included in the #

David K - 11-3-2011 at 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Oddjob
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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
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Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship?


I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship....



And DK says "Me too"

What a foolish response from you DK. Paint all of the victims as criminals.


Spin answers however you like. Normal Nomads can figure out what I said, and no painting at all. Unlike you, I don't think Mexico is too dangerous a place to vacation and that American are targets of crime.

DENNIS - 11-3-2011 at 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Oddjob
What a foolish response from you DK. Paint all of the victims as criminals.



DK is right a fair share of the time. Sometimes, confused, but allowed his opinion....none the less.

Lee - 11-3-2011 at 04:27 PM

Cut to the chase. The Americans involved in violence are probably white. Can't see brown skinned people ID'd as American while in Baja. So, it might seem that whites have a strike against them out the gate. Think blending in helps. Money too.

Woooosh - 11-3-2011 at 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by Lee
Cut to the chase. The Americans involved in violence are probably white. Can't see brown skinned people ID'd as American while in Baja. So, it might seem that whites have a strike against them out the gate. Think blending in helps. Money too.

The American killed near me last week was a black American with a 10 year old son and a military Vet. He was also a drug dealer.

Whites and Blacks- two strikes...

He was also a drug dealer.

mcfez - 11-3-2011 at 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
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Originally posted by Lee
Cut to the chase. The Americans involved in violence are probably white. Can't see brown skinned people ID'd as American while in Baja. So, it might seem that whites have a strike against them out the gate. Think blending in helps. Money too.

The American killed near me last week was a black American with a 10 year old son and a military Vet. He was also a drug dealer.

Whites and Blacks- two strikes...


No loss to us then....too bad for the boy though

Oddjob - 11-3-2011 at 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by David K
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Originally posted by Oddjob
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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
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Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship?


I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship....



And DK says "Me too"

What a foolish response from you DK. Paint all of the victims as criminals.


Spin answers however you like. Normal Nomads can figure out what I said, and no painting at all. Unlike you, I don't think Mexico is too dangerous a place to vacation and that American are targets of crime.



What spin are you talking about? Did you not suggest and then agree that the murder victims were all drug runners? Go back and read your posts.

dtbushpilot - 11-3-2011 at 05:55 PM

Me too......dt

Colombia is much safer than Mexico

Ken Cooke - 11-3-2011 at 05:58 PM

...just sayin'!:lol::light:


mojo_norte - 11-3-2011 at 06:10 PM

I think here in Colorado much more than 65 Americans have killed in 2011 - better get to Baja - much safer :yes:

Mengano - 11-3-2011 at 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by mojo_norte
I think here in Colorado much more than 65 Americans have killed in 2011 - better get to Baja - much safer :yes:


The population of Colorado is 5,029,196; 99% Americans.
The population of Baja California is 3,155 070; 99% Mexicans.
See if you can figure out where your logic failed you.

Here's a hint: Mogadishu, Somalia is one of the deadliest cities in the world. Last year no Americans were killed in Mogadishu. So is Mogadishu much safer than Colorado?

mojo_norte - 11-3-2011 at 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano
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Originally posted by mojo_norte
I think here in Colorado much more than 65 Americans have killed in 2011 - better get to Baja - much safer :yes:


The population of Colorado is 5,029,196; 99% Americans.
The population of Baja California is 3,155 070; 99% Mexicans.
See if you can figure out where your logic failed you.

Here's a hint: Mogadishu, Somalia is one of the deadliest cities in the world. Last year no Americans were killed in Mogadishu. So is Mogadishu much safer than Colorado?


Huh? - point was - given the stats - Baja is still safe for tourists - sorry if my attempt at humor failed you ..

Mengano - 11-3-2011 at 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by mojo_norte
Huh? - point was - given the stats - Baja is still safe for tourists - sorry if my attempt at humor failed you ..


My point was that the stats do not show that. Sorry if my attempt at logic failed you.

Lee - 11-3-2011 at 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
.... a reminder that attacks on Americans are usually opportunistic, and not systemic in nature.


Let's exclude anyone involved in drugs. Exclude brown skin people and Asians from the US.

Crimes of opportunity target white people, Americans, who are viewed as monied. Kinda like racial profiling.

AfroAmericans in Tijuana

maryellen1952 - 11-11-2011 at 05:22 PM

For those who don't (or have not) lived in Tijuana, I don't think people realize how many AfroAmericans are moving to TJ as they can't afford the cost of living in San Diego coupled with receiving public assistance.
I lived in Tijuana in a complex with 2 buildings and in the past 3 months 1/3 of the complex is now occupied by the above and all are on some type of public assistance. Unfortunately both complexes have suffered, i.e., trash everywhere that wasn't before as well as kids yelling and screaming in the buildings, petty thefts, etc. so I decided it was time for me to move (as well as others). Several times when I have been downtown on Revolucion I have encountered young AfroAmericans begging/asking for $$$ which I think tells you the state of things across the border for certain socioeconomic groups.

David K - 11-11-2011 at 05:32 PM

For one, I never, ever used the word 'all'... so paint away! Thanks wooosh for pointing out it was a drug runner (and his color didn't matter)... That he was so selfish to do what he did, with a 10 year old son speaks volumes.

JESSE - 11-11-2011 at 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano
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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
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Originally posted by David K
Americans? Were they tourists, retired folks with Baja homes, or maybe drug runners with American citizenship?


I am thinking drug runners with American citizenship....


You mean, like Robert Paul Frey and Gary Louis Barlow? Their bodies are not even cold yet and you have already insulted their lives and thrown them under the bus, just to protect your image of Mexico.

Que poco madre.


The only poca madre is you continuing to post on this board, after being banned repeatedly under several diferent aliases fulano.

Mengano - 11-11-2011 at 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
The only poca madre is you continuing to post on this board...


I've been holding back, waiting for you to step up with the local news. When were you going to post about the fact that La Paz plans to implement a nighttime curfew due to crime?

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/planean-toque-de-queda-en-la-paz/

Gato got your lengua?

DENNIS - 11-11-2011 at 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano
I've been holding back, waiting for you to step up with the local news. When were you going to post about the fact that La Paz plans to implement a nighttime curfew due to crime?

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/planean-toque-de-queda-en-la-paz/

Gato got your lengua?


:biggrin: It's fun to watch you work......as always. :biggrin:

norte - 11-11-2011 at 06:20 PM

Don't you have to have a state address to get public assistance? Don't they periodically visit said address? Maybe you should turn them in?
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Originally posted by maryellen1952
For those who don't (or have not) lived in Tijuana, I don't think people realize how many AfroAmericans are moving to TJ as they can't afford the cost of living in San Diego coupled with receiving public assistance.
I lived in Tijuana in a complex with 2 buildings and in the past 3 months 1/3 of the complex is now occupied by the above and all are on some type of public assistance. Unfortunately both complexes have suffered, i.e., trash everywhere that wasn't before as well as kids yelling and screaming in the buildings, petty thefts, etc. so I decided it was time for me to move (as well as others). Several times when I have been downtown on Revolucion I have encountered young AfroAmericans begging/asking for $$$ which I think tells you the state of things across the border for certain socioeconomic groups.

JESSE - 11-11-2011 at 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano
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Originally posted by JESSE
The only poca madre is you continuing to post on this board...


I've been holding back, waiting for you to step up with the local news. When were you going to post about the fact that La Paz plans to implement a nighttime curfew due to crime?

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/planean-toque-de-queda-en-la-paz/

Gato got your lengua?


I don't like to discuss anything with loner loser crazies, who continuosly get banned from message boards, because they are bitter and agry about Mexico, probably because of a failed relationship. People who don't have lives, who spend all day spewing bitterness because thats the only thing they have. People who waste days, hours, weeks, sitting in a computer creating websites and blogs full of lies to "get back" at imaginary internet enemies. The sad thing is, you don't know your crazy and on your way to dying a loser loner whos only contact with people, is tru fake names and aliases on the internet.

I am actually not angry at you, i realize you are already living in hell, so i feel sorry for you.

Roberto - 11-11-2011 at 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
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Originally posted by Mengano
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Originally posted by JESSE
The only poca madre is you continuing to post on this board...


I've been holding back, waiting for you to step up with the local news. When were you going to post about the fact that La Paz plans to implement a nighttime curfew due to crime?

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/planean-toque-de-queda-en-la-paz/

Gato got your lengua?


I don't like to discuss anything with loner loser crazies, who continuosly get banned from message boards, because they are bitter and agry about Mexico, probably because of a failed relationship. People who don't have lives, who spend all day spewing bitterness because thats the only thing they have. People who waste days, hours, weeks, sitting in a computer creating websites and blogs full of lies to "get back" at imaginary internet enemies. The sad thing is, you don't know your crazy and on your way to dying a loser loner whos only contact with people, is tru fake names and aliases on the internet.

I am actually not angry at you, i realize you are already living in hell, so i feel sorry for you.


You are quite the humanitarian, Jesse.

JESSE - 11-11-2011 at 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
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Originally posted by JESSE
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Originally posted by Mengano
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Originally posted by JESSE
The only poca madre is you continuing to post on this board...


I've been holding back, waiting for you to step up with the local news. When were you going to post about the fact that La Paz plans to implement a nighttime curfew due to crime?

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/planean-toque-de-queda-en-la-paz/

Gato got your lengua?


I don't like to discuss anything with loner loser crazies, who continuosly get banned from message boards, because they are bitter and agry about Mexico, probably because of a failed relationship. People who don't have lives, who spend all day spewing bitterness because thats the only thing they have. People who waste days, hours, weeks, sitting in a computer creating websites and blogs full of lies to "get back" at imaginary internet enemies. The sad thing is, you don't know your crazy and on your way to dying a loser loner whos only contact with people, is tru fake names and aliases on the internet.

I am actually not angry at you, i realize you are already living in hell, so i feel sorry for you.


You are quite the humanitarian, Jesse.

:lol:

Mengano - 11-11-2011 at 06:28 PM

It must have been something I said.
:rolleyes:

maryellen1952 - 11-11-2011 at 06:31 PM

I think many would be shocked as to how many Americans who are on government assistance are now living just across the border. The complex I lived in 3/4's of the people are on public assistance...funny but the Mexicans who live there all had jobs...it was only the Americans. And many of these Americans were evicted from the complex at some point in time as they couldn't even afford to live in Mexico!
All one has to do is have a U.S. address with a street name...from what I understand many of these people use relatives addresses and pick up their checks. Fortunately I don't live there anymore. These people barely survive in the U.S. and they are in the same situation in Mexico. Many of these people were homeless in San Diego. What irritates me even more is that it is always the AfroAmericans who say the Mexicans take away their jobs in the U.S. and now they are moving across the border!

Lee - 11-11-2011 at 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by maryellen1952
What irritates me even more is that it is always the AfroAmericans who say the Mexicans take away their jobs in the U.S. and now they are moving across the border!


Geeze. 4 posts and nothing but complaints. Mostly about AfroAmericans and trash problems you're having. What's the problem? You don't have to live with that population so why don't you stop slamming them? You're in Mexico. Blame the Mexicans -- or else move up North. Try Bakersfield or Fresno.

Don't think the term AfroAmerican ever caught on. Sounds funny to me. What do you call Mexicans?

Alan - 11-12-2011 at 07:19 AM

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I rather live in Baja than SANTA ANA, Calif

Not as many Mexicans in Baja :lol:

Alan - 11-12-2011 at 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by Mengano
I've been holding back, waiting for you to step up with the local news. When were you going to post about the fact that La Paz plans to implement a nighttime curfew due to crime?

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/planean-toque-de-queda-en-la-paz/

Gato got your lengua?
So some teenagers and late-night revelers constitute a crime wave?

vivaloha - 11-12-2011 at 11:52 AM

Back to the original statement of this post...

something like "there's been a lot of gringos killed in mexico in 2011"...

true...the drug war has been going off...

how to avoid it - stay out of border towns, stay off the roads at night,
stay away from sketchers, mind ya business, and keep it clean and safe...

i think the Nomads who live in Rosarito, Ensenada, TJ are brave...

Seems like those are still border towns and sooo sketchy...

Keep it safe gang...

DENNIS - 11-12-2011 at 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by vivaloha
I think the Nomads who live in Rosarito, Ensenada, TJ are brave...



Typical Ensenadense:

http://www.indiaprwire.com/downloads/photo/201002/12070.jpg

Mengano - 11-12-2011 at 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Alan
So some teenagers and late-night revelers constitute a crime wave?


Not my words. Did you listen to the tape in Spanish, Alan?

The first words the announcer on the video says is, "Antes los deshonrosos altos estadisticas...."

Just drop the phrase into Google translate. It will be good practice for you.

Alan - 11-12-2011 at 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by Mengano
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Originally posted by Alan
So some teenagers and late-night revelers constitute a crime wave?


Not my words. Did you listen to the tape in Spanish, Alan?

The first words the announcer on the video says is, "Antes los deshonrosos altos estadisticas...."

Just drop the phrase into Google translate. It will be good practice for you.
So he says we didn't have as many kids out at night before and they want to nip it in the bud. Still doesn't constitute a crime wave that would cause me any great concern. :?:

JoeJustJoe - 11-12-2011 at 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
VALPARAISO, Chile — According to data from the US State Department, the first six months of 2011 represented the most deadly period of the past eight years for US citizens in Mexico.



From January 4 to June 11 of this year, 65 Americans were killed in Mexico, a 300 percent increase since 2003. This figure comes from La Opinion, which gained access to a report compiled by the US State Department. As the paper notes, the actual number of deaths may be higher in reality, as the figures only refer to voluntarily reported deaths.

Still, the numbers reveal some noteworthy patterns about the most dangerous places, statistically, for Americans in the country. The report found that Baja California, Tamaulipas, Chihuahua, Sonora, and Sinaloa have been the site of most of the violence, with a third of the deaths occurring in the border cities of Ciudad Juarez and Tijuana.

In its most recent travel advisory, issued on April 22, the State Department also warned US citizens to exercise extreme caution when traveling to the states of Michoacán, Durango, Zacatecas, San Luis Potosí, Guerrero, and Jalisco. Nevertheless, the State Department warning points out that “there is no evidence that US tourists have been targeted by criminal elements due to their citizenship,” a reminder that attacks on Americans are usually opportunistic, and not systemic in nature.


That's kinda of a misleading statement that there was a 300 percent increase of American deaths since 2003 when the numbers were very small to begin with. 65 reported deaths is nothing to go into full panic mode over, espeically with such low numbers of Americans being killed in Mexico, and in 2003 you could have almost counted the dead American in Mexico on all you fingers and toes with only 22 reported deaths.

Another thing according to the report they're counting Americans deaths due to "unnatural causes."Previous to 2010 the leading deaths of young people in Mexico was due to auto accidents. I saw a report a few months ago claim that most deaths to Americans in Mexico was due to accidents like car accidents and getting ran over on the street. Narco killings of Americans is way down the list. And lets not forget American are often involved in the drug trade or other illegal activates in Mexico.

http://globalgeopolitics.net/wordpress/2010/11/20/mexico-roa...

The report also said that one third of those reported deaths occurred in two cities Juarez and Tijuana. Who wants to live in those two cities anyway? Just avoid the other cities they list as dangerous and then you should be very safe in Mexico.

Also according to the report they said millions of American visit Mexico, and everyday some 150,000 people American cross into Mexico. It's nice to see so many American are willing to cross into Mexico and enjoy everything Mexico has to offer.

Here is the "La Opinion" article that was just about ripped off, by writer Geoffrey Ramsey, and then translated in English. I guess he did credit La Opinion as a source, but still where is Ramsey's work?

http://www.impre.com/laopinion/noticias/2011/11/2/mexico--ma...

You missed one of our meetings, Commodore Maryellen

mcfez - 11-13-2011 at 08:04 AM

If there was ever a racist....that be you. What a absolute freakin low life (you). You post is full KKK rubbish.

I could tear your sorry ass post here apart, piece by piece......to show what a pig you are. I done this many times in Off Topics.....to racist idiots over in there.

I hope no BN here interacts with your future involvement here.
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Originally posted by maryellen1952
I think many would be shocked as to how many Americans who are on government assistance are now living just across the border. The complex I lived in 3/4's of the people are on public assistance...funny but the Mexicans who live there all had jobs...it was only the Americans. And many of these Americans were evicted from the complex at some point in time as they couldn't even afford to live in Mexico!
All one has to do is have a U.S. address with a street name...from what I understand many of these people use relatives addresses and pick up their checks. Fortunately I don't live there anymore. These people barely survive in the U.S. and they are in the same situation in Mexico. Many of these people were homeless in San Diego. What irritates me even more is that it is always the AfroAmericans who say the Mexicans take away their jobs in the U.S. and now they are moving across the border!