BajaNomad - Today, a bunch of new members

Today, a bunch of new members

Phil S - 11-4-2011 at 08:58 AM

Just happened to be curious about new members and where they are from, so went to last page & checked. OMG. there is a bunch who just today signed in from all over the world????????
Anyone know what that's all about??? Are we about to be scammed????

DENNIS - 11-4-2011 at 09:14 AM

Yeah....that looks like nonsense....even the names. Somebody playing with a proxy, probably.

sanquintinsince73 - 11-4-2011 at 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by Phil S
Just happened to be curious about new members and where they are from, so went to last page & checked. OMG. there is a bunch who just today signed in from all over the world????????
Anyone know what that's all about??? Are we about to be scammed????

I don't know but if Prince Metemelasuave from Nigeria u2u's you to inform you that his late uncle left him $20 million dollars and he needs your bank account number to deposit it here, he's probably bullsh*ting.

David K - 11-4-2011 at 09:18 AM

Yah, so cool... this guy in Nigeria sent me a u2u that he was the Minister of the Treasury to President Mobuto Zambazi... and I get to keep 10% of the 10,000,000 dollars if he lets me hold the money until the coup d'é'tat is over!!! Oh man... I feel like a blessing has been dropped on me from heaven! :light:

Need funds

bajaguy - 11-4-2011 at 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

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If the prince e-mails you, tell him you need $10K US in advance to set up the deal.....just wire it to Anon, Ensenada. :lol:

sanquintinsince73 - 11-4-2011 at 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Yah, so cool... this guy in Nigeria sent me a u2u that he was the Minister of the Treasury to President Mobuto Zambazi... and I get to keep 10% of the 10,000,000 dollars if he lets me hold the money until the coup d'é'tat is over!!! Oh man... I feel like a blessing has been dropped on me from heaven! :light:

Don't you just love all those e-mails? Bad thing is that there are still alot of people who continue to be scammed by these guys.

sanquintinsince73 - 11-4-2011 at 09:26 AM

I wonder if some of these "new" people are "mamacitas" looking for discreet relationships with some crazy, romping stomping Nomads®.

durrelllrobert - 11-4-2011 at 09:27 AM

one new member lists his location as : what is angiitis related to lasix
How can that be a scam? :lol:

sanquintinsince73 - 11-4-2011 at 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert
one new member lists his location as : what is angiitis related to lasix
How can that be a scam? :lol:

Maybe he left out the "V" before the "A" and he forgot to omit the "N".......see, I knew it had to do with sex.

Phil S - 11-4-2011 at 10:27 AM

Would Doug spot this or have any way to know whether these "posters" or should it be imposters aren't really interested in the Baja????

David K - 11-4-2011 at 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Phil S
Would Doug spot this or have any way to know whether these "posters" or should it be imposters aren't really interested in the Baja????

Doug knows all... :yes:

If people break Nomad rules... Doug can ban them.

gnukid - 11-4-2011 at 11:42 AM

There are software tools to manufacture and manage multiple roles on forums and social sites and maintain consistency, these are used primarily as a gaming tool by US Military communications specialists for moving opinion.

It should come as no surprise that these social sites, like media, TV and news are used as tools for gaming society.

This issue has been discussed at length with links to the software tools here, requests for applicants to join civilian jobs for the Military were, much of it coming from San Diego. Nor would one be surprised if BN has a role as is common in social sites.

Consider doing research on social media role management software.

Phil S - 11-4-2011 at 11:58 AM

Response to DavidK. Yes, I know David knows "all". Buuuuttttttt! Don't you think that That is a little unusual to get them all at once & from so many different countries????

gnukid: ??????????

bajaguy - 11-4-2011 at 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Phil S

gnukid: ??????????

It's a plot by the government and corporations to take over your computer and your mind.........George Bush and Dick Cheney are behind it.....black helicopters being flown by Halliburton.........corporations gone mad..........

Woooosh - 11-4-2011 at 12:35 PM

The Ribs guy got banned on his first day- today

EmeraldDawn - 11-4-2011 at 12:49 PM

All these fine Nigerians just asking for a little help and being so generous in return. Why is everyone so down on them?

DENNIS - 11-4-2011 at 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by EmeraldDawn
All these fine Nigerians just asking for a little help and being so generous in return. Why is everyone so down on them?

Because we're jealous. :lol:

sanquintinsince73 - 11-4-2011 at 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by EmeraldDawn
All these fine Nigerians just asking for a little help and being so generous in return. Why is everyone so down on them?

'cause I haven't received my $40 mil yet. They got my social, address, phone number, bank account, mothers maiden name, and my dog Marvin.

EmeraldDawn - 11-4-2011 at 12:56 PM

They probably tied the money around Marvin's neck. He does know the way home from Nigeria doesn't he?

[Edited on 11-4-2011 by EmeraldDawn]

sanquintinsince73 - 11-4-2011 at 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by EmeraldDawn
They probably tied the money around Marvin's neck. He does know the way home from Nigeria doesn't he?

[Edited on 11-4-2011 by EmeraldDawn]

EmeraldDawn where have you been?? Haven't heard from you in a month of Sundays.

sanquintinsince73 - 11-4-2011 at 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by EmeraldDawn
They probably tied the money around Marvin's neck. He does know the way home from Nigeria doesn't he?

[Edited on 11-4-2011 by EmeraldDawn]

He took Jet Blue....probably sittin' on the tarmac somewhere.

BajaNomad - 11-4-2011 at 01:19 PM

Happens every day. It's automated software that signs up new usernames - mostly, I would think, to simply get the web link posted to this site (note that they mostly all have that "www" link). They never login - and there are giveaways in the database from how they register which makes them stand out....

I typically clear them out one or more times a day. The only real issue it creates is that there's a limitation in the forum software on how many new users can sign up per day, and the automated signups typically max out that # - and it makes it a challenge recently for ("real") new users to get signed up.

Newer versions of the software have a "fix" for the situation. I'll get to it when I get to it. :biggrin:

FWIW... the users that are banned after a post or two are "typically" someone that's signed up, logged in, and then posted forum spam in (usually) an older thread. Again, to get the link - but they do so with key words in the link that they want to be found for. It's a search engine marketing strategy utilizing forum boards to spam their web site links to.

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Doug

[Edited on 11-4-2011 by BajaNomad]

EmeraldDawn - 11-4-2011 at 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

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Originally posted by EmeraldDawn
They probably tied the money around Marvin's neck. He does know the way home from Nigeria doesn't he?

[Edited on 11-4-2011 by EmeraldDawn]

EmeraldDawn where have you been?? Haven't heard from you in a month of Sundays.

Oh I've been around and about - I tend to be a rather irregular forumer I guess.

Yes spammers do it for "SEO optimization"reasons - they don't need anyone to follow their links, they just need the links to be there. I have had a lot of trouble with them on sites I've worked for.

gnukid - 11-6-2011 at 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad
Happens every day. It's automated software that signs up new usernames - mostly, I would think, to simply get the web link posted to this site (note that they mostly all have that "www" link). They never login - and there are giveaways in the database from how they register which makes them stand out....

I typically clear them out one or more times a day. The only real issue it creates is that there's a limitation in the forum software on how many new users can sign up per day, and the automated signups typically max out that # - and it makes it a challenge recently for ("real") new users to get signed up.

Newer versions of the software have a "fix" for the situation. I'll get to it when I get to it. :biggrin:

Here, Doug references software tools that create user profiles and log on to forums and create ids and sometimes post, these automated tools are not new and are created and used because quite simply, if you create a social space using software you often need to manage that space with software. You want to manage product sales or users opinions or political opinion to prime the system and manage the social enviornment.

There is a whole category of social role management software to manage multiple roles or to aggregate multiple roles for a manager.

While it's not surprising that these tools exist, what is surprising is that people are often unaware that a portion of "personalities" or "roles" are made up. Yet this should be obvious.

RightNow is a company that was purchased by Oracle last week for about 1.5 billion.
RightNow assists in aggregating user roles and opinions.

Not only public sector corporations but private and military are social media savvy and use these tools to game the system in order to maximize resource allocation and benefits. The US military is among the most social media savvy institutions.

It might be pleasantly naive to think that all the social profiles you see on line are real people who arrive with individual characteristics and motivations. However, believing that each poster is a unique person, would be very naive. Perhaps at this point with nearly 750 million facebook users, and admitted funding by In-Q-Tel, this past weeks sale of RightNow to Oracle, and so much experiential evidence of social gaming the system through posts by cutout profiles that herd the crowd, it's time to be a bit more aware and conscious that online social sites, forums, and blogs are full of generated personalities designed to fuel the system and game the public opinion.

Don't be naive, don't fall for social gaming.

gnukid - 11-6-2011 at 07:58 AM

Many profiles are not real people, but instead are made up, auto generated using software tools, in order to gauge and manage opinion to the benefit of institutions, for example commercial businesses and government.

A simple example is this, an election campaign may benefit from social role toolkits, or if you create the idea of chaos or terror than you justify the need for expenditure in security and policing.

An example is the shooting in Cabo at the soriana last week, it has been demonstrated to be a non-event, security shooting at each other or nothing at all. Yet the event is used through social media, with posts by fear monger profiles and their counterparts, (on BN) to create fear and uncertainty to fuel the need for military while in fact the scenario is made up or orchestrated and promoted socially. Note the posters style and methods here on BN, compare and contrast those to posts by people you know in person.

Examples of Social Auditing and Role Management in Government/Military

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-oper...

http://www.globalissues.org/article/157/war-propaganda-and-t...

http://www.idgnet.org/pdfs/Social%20Audit.pdf

http://www.howto.gov/web-content

http://lencd.com/data/docs/232-Concept%20Note_Institutional%...

http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/612/egypts-revolution-2...

http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/cloud-saas/22...

[Edited on 11-6-2011 by gnukid]

Mengano - 11-6-2011 at 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Yet the event is used through social media, with posts by fear monger profiles and their counterparts, (on BN) to create fear and uncertainty to fuel the need for military while in fact the scenario is made up or orchestrated and promoted socially.

Could you explain how they "orchestrated" the 4-hour gun battle in Cabo the night before with the videos of the fragmentation grenades going off and how they faked the death of that Mexican marine officer and a narco? That was some trick, eh?

gnukid - 11-6-2011 at 09:11 AM

Nomads, observe the pattern of speech by certain posters, it should become easier and easier to spot profiles who are being managed for social gaming.

Notice the two previous posters patterned speech, Ridge doesn't address the facts presented, instead he uses a well known strategy of imposters.

Instead of addressing the subject, which is that groups of fake accounts are being created en masse followed by those accounts being associated with propaganda or in in this case fear-mongering, Ridge attempts to associate logical and factual discussion (accounts being created used by troll posters) with another discredited subject (nigerian scams).

This is an obvious use of fallacy and clearly an attempt to avoid discussion of fact, this example of fallacy by association or straw man fallacy is an easily recognizable technique of fallacious logic.

The second poster, Mengano, also uses fallacious logic by associating multiple events together then demands that a poster (me) explain them or presumably be discredited. This is also a clearly recognizable technique of fallacious logic, by conflating multiple issues, one which happened in the day time at Soriana and the other which occurred at night and demanding that a poster should explain these or be discredited, which is an absurd and false notion.

Make a mental note about these two posters Ridge and Mengano and similar posters. They are not naive, they understand the techniques of false logic and use them. Ask yourself what could be their motivation?

I make no claims of understanding 100% of the facts of either event, in fact I note there is uncertainty and likely no one here is able to know what happened for sure. Hence his demand that the poster explain it as somehow a point of his argument is fallacious conflating non-sequiter, a false demand or statement.

My statement is that it has been declared by officials in Cabo after the fact that the soriana incident was a mistake. An overreaction, by security forces to their own calls for security.

The point of note is that this incident is orchestrated or used by others to falsely incite fear on social forums.

Anyone Nomad can look at the posts and see the patterned fallacious logic that is often repeated, it is easily recognizable in contrast to sincere posters.

However you interpret these posts or mine is up to you to decide, simply use your best judgement.

Consider skepticism as a reasonable starting point when interacting on forums or viewing media. Use logic, rhetoric and grammar to understand message and the intent.

Learn and use critical thinking!

[Edited on 11-6-2011 by gnukid]

Mengano - 11-6-2011 at 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
This is also a clearly recognizable technique of fallacious logic, by conflating multiple issues, one which happened in the day time at Soriana and the other which occurred at night.

Ah haaa...the old switcheroo...day for night.
:rolleyes:

gnukid - 11-6-2011 at 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Mengano

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Ah haaa...the old switcheroo...day for night.
:rolleyes:

For the readers benefit, I'll point out the continued fallacious argument by Mengano.

While being called out for a non-sequiter, Mengano again attempts fallacious logic to confuse the issues through conflating two separate events and minimizing his role in promoting false argument as simply a confusion of day vs. night.

The reason his argument is again fallacious, is that the two shooting incidents are not only separated by day and night. The night time incident is still classified officially as an operation to go after known criminals-where those involved where shot. While the day time incident is now publicly admitted to be a mistake where no one was shot and no one was instigating trouble, it was a false alarm and a misunderstanding at best.

Contrary to the idea that there is chaos and criminality both incidents in Cabo are examples of pro-activeness on the part of policing which is something to acknowledge as a positive for locals and visitors versus reactionary.

The argument presented by Mengano is that he is only guilty of confusing day and night, while in fact Mengano has demonstrated that he conflates types of issues, events, and assertions to incite fear and that he is an example of an orchestrated action on BN to confuse readers and distract from facts.

Be a critical thinker!

[Edited on 11-6-2011 by gnukid]

Mengano - 11-6-2011 at 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
The reason his argument is again fallacious, is that the two shooting incidents are not only separated by day and night. The night time incident is still classified officially as an operation to go after known criminals-where those involved where shot. While the day time incident is now publicly admitted to be a mistake where no one was shot and no one was instigating trouble, it was a false alarm and a misunderstanding at best.

Let me "conflate" the who thing for you:

1. On Tuesday, October 25th the "Comandante Contra Homicidios" (Anti-Homicide Commander) in Los Cabos was kidnapped outside his residence and shot in the head a short distance away and his weapon taken.

2. Investigating that murder, on Friday evening police and military forces showed up outside a residence in Colonia Las Brisas del Pacifico in Los Cabos at around 11:30 and a shootout lasting hours followed. AK-47s and fragmentation grenades were the weapaons of choice. That is the video that is posted a few posts above this one. The dead commander's weapon was recovered there.

3. Saturday afternoon, somebody reported men with weapons in the parking lot at Soriana Plaza. Police and military were called, the area was surrounded and this folowing video "where no one was shot and no one was instigating trouble" shows what occured:

Be a rational thinker.

[Edited on 11-6-2011 by Mengano]

gnukid - 11-6-2011 at 11:40 AM

The subject of this thread is managed social roles / trolls on forums.

A common technique is to post repeatedly inane, off topic, confusing, distracting or offensive subject matter in order to turn off readers from valid discussion about a valid subject, which in this case is orchestrated trolling using fallacious arguments by roles-what is their motivation?

Behold.

ElCazadorAZ - 11-6-2011 at 12:26 PM

OK, I registered today and I'm not from Nigeria. Mostly from Flagstaff area and the Verde Valley in AZ, but now in northern NM caring for disintegrating parents. When they head for that next "Spacial Plane" we'll be hauling the 5er down South as fast as our ol' Blue Moose Dodge can carry us. Actually, we're thinking about a break for Xmas, maybe as far as Mulege'. Don't have the time for the whole trip. Lived in Tempe in the 60's. Been going to Penasco since there was one guy, Leonardo, to buy ice and shrimp from. My folks used to dance on the tables (literally) at the Playa Hermosa and the (then brand new) Villa Granada. Anybody else remember those days? I'm dating myself.... Miss Puerto Penasco when it was remote and beautiful and friendly..... H.