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Why can't I buy this camper?

vgabndo - 11-4-2011 at 11:05 PM

The caption said that it had been bought in Germany, shipped to south America and then driven to where it was photographed at the Bonneville Speed Trials this year. Its a diesel.

Diesel Toyota (Medium).jpg - 49kB

Here's the back

vgabndo - 11-4-2011 at 11:10 PM

Do I really need a ton of Lance on four tons of Dodge?

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wakemall - 11-4-2011 at 11:17 PM

That is a rig! Small 4X4 diesel with a camper. Any pictures of the inside?

vgabndo - 11-4-2011 at 11:23 PM

Sorry, me too. Just these two shots...I guy had it mixed in with a bunch of lakesters, and 300 mph Nash Metropolitans from his visit to the salt.

Hook - 11-5-2011 at 06:02 AM

Severely underpowered, I would bet; once it was loaded with your gear. Fluid capacities would also have to be miniscule.

I mean, how much HP was in the Land Cruisers of that era? It wouldnt be much of an issue once you GOT to Baja, I guess.

Also, would the gearing be conducive to carrying all that weight?

I wonder if it would have the fuel capacity and efficiency to make it from El Rosario to GN or Jesus Maria.

It is a fine looking vehicle, though.............

Phil S - 11-5-2011 at 06:49 AM

"salt flats' reminds of a vintage GMC motorhome held the 'motorhome speed record for years. It was made between l973 and l978. It was a 455 cu in V8 front wheel drive. There were about 13,000 of them made, and approx. 8,000 still known to be on the road today. They made two models. A 23 ' & a 26' The record was made without any modifications. Over the past 25 yeas I've been driving Baja, I keep running into them once in a while.

Ken Cooke - 11-5-2011 at 07:44 AM

The South American Land Cruisers come stock with snorkle's, straight axles, and all of the hard parts that make sense in Baja.

Try crossing the swamp on the way to Mission Santa Maria after a good rain, and a snorkle is very necessary.

This is a stock Land Cruiser that I photographed for sale in Barranquilla, Colombia.




bajaguy - 11-5-2011 at 08:16 AM

Besides the regulations/laws of EPA, DOT and NHTSA, I would think that Americans would want a larger engine, larger fuel tank and a 4 door model.

wessongroup - 11-5-2011 at 08:33 AM

"300 mph Nash Metropolitans" ...

Now I wouldn't mind seeing a few shots of those.... if ya have them...

Remember those from many moons ago...

Thanks for the memories... and the other pict's...

mtgoat666 - 11-5-2011 at 08:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vgabndo
Why can't I buy this camper?
The caption said that it had been bought in Germany, shipped to south America and then driven to where it was photographed at the Bonneville Speed Trials this year. Its a diesel.


they look cool, but drive rough. limited sales appeal, so not imported.

Ken Cooke - 11-5-2011 at 08:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by vgabndo
Why can't I buy this camper?
The caption said that it had been bought in Germany, shipped to south America and then driven to where it was photographed at the Bonneville Speed Trials this year. Its a diesel.


they look cool, but drive rough. limited sales appeal, so not imported.


Hence, the "Cream-puff" pickup. Includes requisite running boards, plastic bumpers - light-weight, but helps mileage numbers on the highway, as do the thin-tread road tires.

South American HiLux


ddawson - 11-5-2011 at 10:31 AM

This is a pretty common rig for Euros to have. Relatively cheap and able to go almost anywhere. I have seen several here stateside (they like to stay in the beach rv camping area right down the street from me), and come upon a few in Baja.

Here is a pic of one from last winter down in Loreto:





This was an older German couple who were in the process of driving from the bottom of Chile to the top of Alaska and back down to Chile. They were spending Christmas in Loreto Shores rv park.

I wish they sold them in the states. To me, it is the perfect size.

Well WesGp

vgabndo - 11-5-2011 at 11:00 AM

I'm sure I embellished the top speed! But I'm guessing faster than stock.:lol:

I found a lot more info about the campers on line, and a lot of detailed numbers describing the best diesel engine options to buy. Australia has developed a very similar product, I read.

Nash Metro #689.jpg - 20kB

And Phil

vgabndo - 11-5-2011 at 11:33 AM

The old record was eclipsed in '06 by Jim Rosenburgh at 102.76 with a 454 GMC.

I just found this. :lol::lol::lol: http://www.komonews.com/news/4637196.html

He did it in 2nd. gear, saving third for later?????

[Edited on 11-5-2011 by vgabndo]

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woody with a view - 11-5-2011 at 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by ridge
Quote:
Originally posted by vgabndo
Do I really need a ton of Lance on four tons of Dodge?
Do you really need that snorkel? ;D

I bet the electronics are equally robust/minimum; drive it into water over the hood and it keeps on chuggin'.

I bet the real reason you can't buy it is prohibitively-expensive EPA certification to import it.


There are many wonderful Toyota Hi-Luxes that fall into that category; turbocharged diesels with fully-boxed one ton frames.

Thank the American customer for not wanting it enough to make it worthwhile for the company.


Ridge, i'd gladly give my left nut for the chance to buy a worldwide available Diesel HiLux 4X4 Tundra.... the big 3 have too many lobbyists to let an Eco-Friendly diesel that runs all over the world into this market.

nyme saing?

mtgoat666 - 11-5-2011 at 02:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ridge
Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view...nyme saing?
I know exactly what you're saying, woody...

My thoughts as well.
http://www.brian894x4.com/FOREIGNTOYOTAMAINPAGE.html


if you want clunky 4wd with ladder frame, leaf springs and solid axles, just buy an older one and rebuild it, or you can buy a late model used land rover (i think they imported them to US up until a few years ago).

the short cab toyotas like in your picture have really poor leg room for tall drivers. most of the 70 series toyotas are really "tinny" (thin body insulation, let all the road noise in)

there is little market for cars like this. they are uncomfortable highway cruisers. can you say kidney puncher?

anywho, don't jeeps sold in usa have solid axles and fill same niche as toyota 70 series?

vgabndo - 11-5-2011 at 04:22 PM

That pretty much answers my question.

If I have to build something, I'll aim for something that will do 40 in the washboards, and I can sleep in it.:lol:

That's just after I WIN THE LOTTERY

wessongroup - 11-5-2011 at 04:37 PM

Thanks vgabndo.. pretty cool stuff...

Also like the Jefferson quote ... he has some really good ones.. which still have "legs" today... strange HUH !! :biggrin::biggrin:

[Edited on 11-6-2011 by wessongroup]

Phil S - 11-6-2011 at 08:58 AM

Thank you vagabundo. That info was GREAT!!! since I own one of those 'critters' (GMC) I guess I can't brag anymore about it "being stock" But. I saw oneof those Sequim Washington rebuilt GMCs. I talked with the owner who is from San Rafeal Ca when he was picking his GMC up at the Seqium shop, and he was leaving heading for home, and I got him to stop at Roseburg (on I-5) and let me see the coach. And the Crate 455 hotrod engine. This coach had been completely rebuilt from factory. It had a 2 person dishwasher. Small washer/dryer comb. Cameras at each wheel. Backup camera. Laptop station. Built in electronic stuff everywhere. Said he had about $100,000.00 invested including the cost of the coach which he had bought on the used market. Super looking vintage motorhome.
Appreciate your researching the article. I hadn't read the info about who was behind the build up. I love my GMC, but it has just the 403 cu in engine. Bu8t it has seen 85mph goin' down the road towing a 91 Geo Metro convertible (my toad) going from Cedar Breaks to Cedar City. Long downhill run. I just let it go to see how fast it would "coast" before we got to the bottom. Kind of felt sorry for the Geo.

Lauriboats - 11-6-2011 at 09:28 AM

Now that's a Baja truck for sure.

Pompano - 11-6-2011 at 09:43 AM

Sure, maybe for a very specialized and short trip.


But......There's not even enough room in that little box

....to change your mind. ;)

willyAirstream - 11-6-2011 at 09:55 AM

Here is a custom camper from Switzerland. Pop up, awning, tracks on top, sides and rear where he attaches, ramps, jerry cans, tables etc. Equipped with water tanks, outside shower, 12v refrig. sink and it was all easily removable as it was attached with a track system. All state of the art high tech fittings and high quality workmanship. He passed thru here acouple of weeks ago on his way to Argentina, traveling solo.




Diesel Toyota Peeeekup

estebanis - 11-6-2011 at 10:22 AM

I have wanted a diesel Toyota for a long time. I just don't get why these trucks are all over the world but not here in the U.S. . When I saw that Toyota had distribution in Mexico, I searched to look at the Diesel truck I just knew they would be offering only to find there wasn't one.
I just don't get it...
Esteban

Barry A. - 11-6-2011 at 10:44 AM

You can turn your USA sold SUV into a camper by considering this site----------

Google "autohome columbus"

Barry

[Edited on 11-6-2011 by Barry A.]

Fernweh - 11-6-2011 at 11:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
You can turn your USA sold SUV into a camper by considering this site----------

Google "autohome columbus"

Barry

[Edited on 11-6-2011 by Barry A.]


There are many options for a capable Baja Camper.....

This is our rig, having done many Baja adventures with it.
Leaving for La Paz again on Nov 18th....


vgabndo - 11-6-2011 at 12:28 PM

Willie's pictures of the solo guy on his way to SA reminded me of some reading I was doing recently on Sustainable Homelessness.
There is a growing trend toward living minimally in one's transportation. There's a blog! :lol:

http://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/2004/10/advantages-of...

Yes this is the third time I've highjacked my own thread and I don't feel guilty yet.:lol:

Phil S - 11-6-2011 at 03:04 PM

Amazing what you can find when you 'crest' a slope or hill. Imagine finding a chain saw at the bottom of this slope!!!!

Advantages?

Ken Cooke - 11-6-2011 at 05:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vgabndo
Willie's pictures of the solo guy on his way to SA reminded me of some reading I was doing recently on Sustainable Homelessness.
There is a growing trend toward living minimally in one's transportation. There's a blog! :lol:

http://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/2004/10/advantages-of...


No Internet? No house parties? No libraries of music to listen to? I'll stick to the path I'm on...

Barry A. - 11-6-2011 at 05:46 PM

Nice rig, Fernweh.

barry

mojo_norte - 11-6-2011 at 06:49 PM

These Euro rigs are fun but here in US we are blessed with many options of 4X4 pickups w/ various slide in camper options from basic to deluxe. If you want diesel there's Cummins and 7.3 Powerstroke etc.

tripledigitken - 11-6-2011 at 07:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mojo_norte
These Euro rigs are fun but here in US we are blessed with many options of 4X4 pickups w/ various slide in camper options from basic to deluxe. If you want diesel there's Cummins and 7.3 Powerstroke etc.



Duramax/Allison too!

dtbushpilot - 11-6-2011 at 09:12 PM

I agree with you Ken, I've been lots of places in my rig that I shouldn't have gone and didn't know I could get to until I did it and the camper is still in reasonable shape. Something about 4 doors, high ground clearance, big diesel, full bath with shower and being somewhere where most people wouldn't go no matter what they were driving that let's you know that you're in an American vehicle. Go big or go home!:lol::lol::lol:



[Edited on 11-7-2011 by dtbushpilot]

Bajaboy - 11-6-2011 at 09:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
You can turn your USA sold SUV into a camper by considering this site----------

Google "autohome columbus"

Barry

[Edited on 11-6-2011 by Barry A.]


I love my Autohome

Barry A. - 11-6-2011 at 10:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
You can turn your USA sold SUV into a camper by considering this site----------

Google "autohome columbus"

Barry

[Edited on 11-6-2011 by Barry A.]


I love my Autohome


Trying to find a dealer for AUTOHOME in far N. CA can be a challenge--------I drove to Carson City to the "dealer" listed on the Net and it turned out to be a Law Office who referred me back to the Bay Area. Not good PR to say the least. But the concept sure looks neat and I want to see one up close and personal. One of these days-------------

Which model to you have BajaBoy?

Barry

Dewey - 11-6-2011 at 11:07 PM

You can rent or buy the same type of toyota camper in Australia. They make great surf vehicles for off road travel and would be great in Baja.

Packoderm - 11-7-2011 at 07:35 AM

I read on travel chat sites where Europeans are visiting the U.S. and looking for a campervan to rent to see the country. They are dismayed when the only thing available are big road hog motorhomes, so they are disappointed to have to rent a car and stay in motels. There are some campervans for rent in California if you look: http://www.californiacampers.com/

J.P. - 11-7-2011 at 08:11 AM

I really tried to buy a R.V. from a individual that was traveling in Moxico from a foriegn country, You can not imagine the can of worms you would open. after 2 years I gave up and gave the thing away.

missionmike - 11-7-2011 at 02:23 PM

photo album Africa trek

More on those truck campers here, hope you can read German though!

vgabndo - 11-7-2011 at 04:00 PM

There is nothing quite as stuck as a four ton 4x4 when it is stuck. If it should break while getting un-stuck, I hope the seguros covers a Sikorski Sky Crane.

My 24 valve Cummins weighs 1,150 pounds without a tranny. A BJ74 complete GROSS weight is about 4,300. lbs.

It costs fuel to move weight. Mark my words, it won't be long before fuel becomes expensive. As 1%'rs, retired into poverty, and still trying to have Baja in our lives, exchanging a bumpy ride for no ride at all is not a bad deal. I also try to remind myself of why they call it a camper, and not a ClubMeder.

For a billion people, a VW Pup-up, would be a HUGE, HUGE, upgrade in their standard of living for their only home!

As a second vehicle, surely I could get by with the unit that started this thread.:?:

mtgoat666 - 11-7-2011 at 04:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Packoderm
I read on travel chat sites where Europeans are visiting the U.S. and looking for a campervan to rent to see the country. They are dismayed when the only thing available are big road hog motorhomes, so they are disappointed to have to rent a car and stay in motels. There are some campervans for rent in California if you look: http://www.californiacampers.com/


you suggest the only alternatives are RV or hotel. there is a 3rd alternative: car camping.

Barry A. - 11-7-2011 at 05:00 PM

------also, at the cost of the VW van rental, you can stay in pretty nice motels---------an option I personally perfer.

"Car camping", tho we do it occasionally, can be pretty rugged and spartan if the weather is bad----otherwise, we enjoy it as long as we can grab a shower, or jump in a remote lake or river for our nitely skinny-dip. :lol:

Barry

tripledigitken - 11-7-2011 at 05:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Packoderm
I read on travel chat sites where Europeans are visiting the U.S. and looking for a campervan to rent to see the country. They are dismayed when the only thing available are big road hog motorhomes, so they are disappointed to have to rent a car and stay in motels. There are some campervans for rent in California if you look: http://www.californiacampers.com/


you suggest the only alternatives are RV or hotel. there is a 3rd alternative: car camping.


Well said. Here's how to camp even if you have a Prius.

http://www.florida-backroads-travel.com/prius-camping.html

vgabndo - 11-7-2011 at 06:19 PM

Somewhere I have photo evidence of hauling firewood back to camp in the hatchback of my Mazda RX7. Nice tent, good bags and pads, plush. And fast around the corners. (on the paved part):lol:

mojo_norte - 11-7-2011 at 06:53 PM

All roads lead to a Toyota Tacoma TRD with a 4 wheel brand pop up camper - go anywhere, affordable , light , amenities , reliable , economical, tough, unassuming - ad a snorkel and a lift and some lights if you like - unfortunately , no diesel option stateside at this time..

Ken Cooke - 11-7-2011 at 08:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mojo_norte
ad a snorkel and a lift and some lights if you like


On another thread, I learned about the CV joints that do not play well with lift kits about 3"?? Is this true?? My Rubicon can run a 35" tire and go more places than a Tacoma will.

Packoderm - 11-7-2011 at 09:32 PM

I like car camping when I stay at a destination for a while, but it can get old to make and break camp each day en route. A campervan would be the perfect compromise between comfortable camping and economical transport given the long distance between attractions in the U.S. The ultimate rental would be 16 foot Toyota motorhomes. There are actually several Toyota campervan rental companies if you google "toyota motorhome for hire," but not in the U.S. One thing I noticed is that there are no motorhome wanted ads on craigslist for big honking RVs. It's always, "wanted, small motorhome."









[Edited on 11/8/2011 by Packoderm]

Packoderm - 11-7-2011 at 09:49 PM

The same company apparently has this campervan for hire from San Francisco for $40.50 per night. http://www.mydriveholiday.com/Vehicle/VehicleDetails/?pid=2507&pid=2508&pid=2410&pid=2505&pid=2506&dd=23/01/2012&vid=536&d pid=14|452&ddid=14|452&dp=9/01/2012&ddd=23/01/2012&dlt=14&b=2&inc=true&popup=true

[Edited on 11/8/2011 by Packoderm]

Barry A. - 11-7-2011 at 09:55 PM

Those are nice, Packo, and you are right they would be perfect.

There are the PleasureWay and RoadTrek (made in Canada) van-type campers available in the USA but the price tags are outrageous on them ($85K +) and neither can go 'off road' as they have lousy road clearence. You can pay for a lot of Motel/Hotel rooms for $85K.

Barry

mtgoat666 - 11-8-2011 at 09:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Packoderm
I like car camping when I stay at a destination for a while, but it can get old to make and break camp each day en route. A campervan would be the perfect compromise between comfortable camping and economical transport given the long distance between attractions in the U.S.


packy:
this would be economical, has enclosed sleeping space, and easy-to-access outdoor kitchen space.



mtgoat666 - 11-8-2011 at 09:31 AM


MB sprinter van conversion

mtgoat666 - 11-8-2011 at 12:11 PM


mojo_norte - 11-8-2011 at 12:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vgabndo
There is nothing quite as stuck as a four ton 4x4 when it is stuck. If it should break while getting un-stuck, I hope the seguros covers a Sikorski Sky Crane.

My 24 valve Cummins weighs 1,150 pounds without a tranny. A BJ74 complete GROSS weight is about 4,300. lbs.

It costs fuel to move weight. Mark my words, it won't be long before fuel becomes expensive. As 1%'rs, retired into poverty, and still trying to have Baja in our lives, exchanging a bumpy ride for no ride at all is not a bad deal. I also try to remind myself of why they call it a camper, and not a ClubMeder.

For a billion people, a VW Pup-up, would be a HUGE, HUGE, upgrade in their standard of living for their only home!

As a second vehicle, surely I could get by with the unit that started this thread.:?:


I'd guess that the Euro rig that started this thread is shockingly expensive - even though it doesn't look like much.

tripledigitken - 11-8-2011 at 12:54 PM

I could live with this one, budget wouldn't allow it though.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvVYQkrTxbA&feature=relat...

missionmike - 11-8-2011 at 04:02 PM

http://www.tourfactory.de/home.html?album.html

Photos of 4x4 Toyota Camper

805gregg - 11-8-2011 at 06:33 PM

Another POS toyota, no thanks.