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FNG's - New to the Baja, But Not Mexico - Xmas 5th Wheel Trip??

ElCazadorAZ - 11-6-2011 at 01:48 PM

Hey Amigos. Friend recommended this site. My wife and I have 2+ solid weeks of vacation 12/23-1/9 and seriously need a break from aging parents and recent 15 degree Northern New Mexico nights. Planning on staging our ol' Blue Moose Dodge Cummins and 24' 5th wheel in Cottonwood, AZ in prep for a trip down Baja California. Been heading to Puerto Penasco since about 1963 (I was 5 then) with my family and friends. Leonardo was the only guy who sold ice and shrimp then. Anybody remember him? Folks finally confessed to us that the all-night dancing on the tables at the Playa Hermosa Cantina was a direct result of Tio Hector's Margaritas AND good ol' SKF Dexedrine. Ah, the 60's....
Swanyway, we have a couple good weeks and don't want to kill ourselves trying to get to Cabo. No point, I'll bet. We're thinking Mulege' for our first trip. What do you think? Cottonwood to Tecate is a bit over 400 miles, or one day. A couple- three more days and we ought to find ourselves far enough south to be warm. Thinking about leaving the small 5th wheel in Mexico for future 2011-12 winter trips (can we do that?) and taking the ferry back to the mainland on the way north. Just thinking out loud. Looking to set up the camper for 10 solid days in one spot, searching out the best deal on Noche Buena and de-compressing from work and disintegrating parents. Any advice is appreciated. We already know the part about carrying spares and not driving at night, etc, etc. We speak fair espanol and treat locals with respect. I'm looking for local knowledge and recommendations about where to head to. Dry camping is OK for a few days, but we prefer a small park, oceanside with hookups, a nearby restaurant and cantina. Who doesn't? Thanks for any help making the trip go smoother. If you're in Mulege' and see a '93 blue Dodge p/u with a 24' Komfort 5th wheel attached, please come by for a cerveza. Hunter & Charlotte

Still have the wife. Daisy the Bullmastiff died 11/4. RIP Daisy, best dog that ever lived.:(

[Edited on 11-10-2011 by ElCazadorAZ]

DianaT - 11-6-2011 at 06:34 PM

Hi there---

Mulege is probably a very good idea. While it can be nice on our side, it can also be quite cold at that time of year. Someone will give you some good ideas for Mulege---it has been a few years since we have been there.

I just wanted to suggest one place for camping on your way down or back and that is the Rancho Santa Ynez in Cataviņa----no hook-ups, but you will be in the middle of the most beautiful and unique deserts in Baja.

You might also consider a stop at San Ignacio, one of the prettiest towns around-- it is a palm oasis with a beautiful mission and town center. However, do park your trailer at one of the campgrounds by the river you cross at the turn off----probably not a good idea to take the trailer into town.

Where ever you go, you will have a great time. Allow lots of time as the highway is very narrow in places---nothing like that super highway to Puerto Penasco. Sure liked Puerto Penasco better in the old days.

Buen Viaje!

ElCazadorAZ - 11-7-2011 at 08:36 AM

Diana, Santa Ines looks to be about halfway down to Mulege. Good call, thank you.
Mulege isn't really much further south than Guaymas, true, but we want to get to the Baja side for a change. It'll be warmer than NM, no doubt.... H.

David K - 11-7-2011 at 08:48 AM

Welcome to Nomad 'Hunter'!

Mulege along the river or maybe better, a few miles south along Bahia Concepcion would be fine choices for your first Baja center of operations...

Leaving a 5th wheel behind, however gets into a technical area on immigration unless you have the correct visa (FM-3, FM-2)... Tourists (people with FMM, 'Tourist Cards') are supposed to not leave any personal property behind when they return to the U.S... However, if you do, you won't be alone... Just hope your first Baja experience is a good one!

DianaT - 11-7-2011 at 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by ElCazadorAZ
Diana, Santa Ines looks to be about halfway down to Mulege. Good call, thank you.
Mulege isn't really much further south than Guaymas, true, but we want to get to the Baja side for a change. It'll be warmer than NM, no doubt.... H.


Since you have the trailer, you don't want to miss the entrance to the ranch. As you enter the small town of Cataviņa going south, there is not much there. On the left you will see the bright pink Linda's motel and on the right the quite nice Mission Cataviņa Hotel.

It is only a short distance to the turn-off on the east side of the highway, but the sign is small---go slow and watch for it. It is not much bigger than the sign right by the ranch that is shown below.





[Edited on 11-7-2011 by DianaT]

DENNIS - 11-7-2011 at 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT






This foto brings up a serious question. We've all seen millions of white painted rocks along the Byways of Baja, but has anybody ever seen anyone painting them?
I'll bet not. :?:

DianaT - 11-7-2011 at 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
This foto brings up a serious question. We've all seen millions of white painted rocks along the Byways of Baja, but has anybody ever seen anyone painting them?
I'll bet not. :?:


Once, just once and it was at an army stop---but I don't have photos to prove it. :biggrin:

CortezBlue - 11-7-2011 at 09:55 AM

I left you a U2U message

But you should take a look at Bob and Susan's place in Mulege
I have visited it many time if only via the web, but it is on my bucket list.

DENNIS - 11-7-2011 at 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT
Once, just once and it was at an army stop---but I don't have photos to prove it. :biggrin:



Sorry. Appreciated, but inadmissible as damning evidence.

buzzzzzzzzz......try again.

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rts551 - 11-7-2011 at 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT
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Originally posted by DENNIS
This foto brings up a serious question. We've all seen millions of white painted rocks along the Byways of Baja, but has anybody ever seen anyone painting them?
I'll bet not. :?:


Once, just once and it was at an army stop---but I don't have photos to prove it. :biggrin:


Just the facts Diane. Just the facts. Do you have GPS coordinates for the turnoff pls.

DENNIS - 11-7-2011 at 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by rts551
Just the facts Diane. Just the facts. Do you have GPS coordinates for the turnoff pls.


Give her Hell, Ralph. She's tryin' to slip one in on us. :cool:

DianaT - 11-7-2011 at 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by rts551
Just the facts Diane. Just the facts. Do you have GPS coordinates for the turnoff pls.


Give her Hell, Ralph. She's tryin' to slip one in on us. :cool:


Ralph is bad, very, very bad. Besides, I don't want to see ElCazadorAZ driving off the road while he is checking a GPS.

I believe the turn-off is about 1 hour 34 minutes and 16 seconds from the bridge in El Rosario---I think. :biggrin:

ElCazadorAZ - 11-7-2011 at 01:59 PM

I don't use a GPS! They suck the brain right out of your head! Gimme the papyrus version of a map any day...
Thanks, all, keep 'em coming! H.

[Edited on 11-7-2011 by ElCazadorAZ]

David K - 11-7-2011 at 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by ElCazadorAZ
I don't use a GPS! They suck the brain right out of your head! Gimme the papyrus version of a map any day...
Thanks, all, keep 'em coming! H.

[Edited on 11-7-2011 by ElCazadorAZ]


SANTA YNEZ (ranch owner's spelling)/ SANTA INES (most maps)... Is close to 1 mile south of Cataviņa, on a paved side road (since those are rare, an easy to spot specially with the white rocks).

Close up Almanac folding map and AAA map of the area:





Baja California Guidebook map of 1975:



Just for fun, Cliff Cross Guide Map of 1970 (before Highway One was built here):



Edit: On the above map, Cataviņa is where Rancho Resolana was before the highway was bulldozed through in the summer of 1973.

[Edited on 11-7-2011 by David K]

Ateo - 11-7-2011 at 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by ElCazadorAZ
I don't use a GPS! They suck the brain right out of your head! Gimme the papyrus version of a map any day...
Thanks, all, keep 'em coming! H.

[Edited on 11-7-2011 by ElCazadorAZ]


SANTA YNEZ (ranch owner's spelling)/ SANTA INES (most maps)... Is close to 1 mile south of Cataviņa, on a paved side road (since those are rare, an easy to spot specially with the white rocks).

Close up Almanac folding map and AAA map of the area:





Baja California Guidebook map of 1975:



Just for fun, Cliff Cross Guide Map of 1970 (before Highway One was built here):



Edit: On the above map, Cataviņa is where Rancho Resolana was before the highway was bulldozed through in the summer of 1973.

Once again David K comes thru with the epic maps. DK: check your U2U.

[Edited on 11-7-2011 by David K]

David K - 11-7-2011 at 05:01 PM

As long as I am able, I will be a conduit between the past 'dirt road days' of Baja and the present!

Here is a 1962 map of that region...




[Edited on 11-8-2011 by David K]

Barry A. - 11-7-2011 at 05:03 PM

-------interesting David that "Catavina" shows up on the old Gulick/Gerhard map, but not on the Cliff Cross map. I wonder what's up with that?

Barry

David K - 11-7-2011 at 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
-------interesting David that "Catavina" shows up on the old Gulick/Gerhard map, but not on the Cliff Cross map. I wonder what's up with that?

Barry


Cataviņa was an old abandoned ranch... located below where the hotel is. G&G were big on history, and included it for that reason... But, in the mid-late 1960's when Cliff Cross (and I first) traveled the area, there was NO Cataviņa... Just San Luis and Santa Ynez. Resolana may have been a real new rancho that popped up after my trip of 1966..? But, per Cross's map, that is where they built the El Presidente hotel (later to be called La Pinta, Desert Inn, now Mision Cataviņa).

David K - 11-7-2011 at 05:16 PM

1974 Auto Club Map (from Barry A collection):


Barry A. - 11-7-2011 at 05:40 PM

Wow, nice map, David. :tumble:

Barry

Udo - 11-7-2011 at 05:58 PM

Looks like we'll be running into Elcazador next month. We'll be in the same region at about the same time.
I'll remember his rig. We'll be in a fixed up grey FJ Cruiser with a yellow 20' kayak on top!

p.s. Lic plate will say BAJARDE, similar to Ken's BAJAJEP

[Edited on 11-8-2011 by Udo]

ElCazadorAZ - 11-7-2011 at 08:33 PM

Looking forward to it Udo! When I say my old Dodge truck is blue, I'm being a little optimistic. Its really Apache Junction Faded-to-Chalk, well at least on all surfaces parallel to the earth. The rest of it is dark blue and silver. I'm paying attention to all the great advice above and will be looking into the spot south of Mulege David K recommended. Front tag on the Blue Moose reads AH2BNAZ. Kinda hard to miss it being humungous and all..... The yellow kayak on the FJ will tip us off its you, no doubt. With some luck, we'll be stocked up on Noche Buena or at the very least something cold. Bohemia, Victoria.... Never could find Negra Modelos in Mexico accept at the border. THANKS ALL! H.

ElCazadorAZ - 11-9-2011 at 07:31 AM

KILLER MAPS David K. Thanks for sharing. Wife and I are Rt 66 buffs and got sick of I-40 between ABQ and Flagstaff. After our zillonth trip we found a repro 1940-something Rt66 guide and we used it to drive on every section left of the Mother Road in AZ and NM. Took forever, but we had a ball. Those old maps record the "progress" of roads and regions. We have half of a big file cabinet stuffed with maps. We bought the International Travel Maps waterproof Mexico 1:2,000,000 escala. Looks like a pretty decent map. Any suggestions for Baja California specific maps?? Thanks, H.

David K - 11-9-2011 at 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by ElCazadorAZ
KILLER MAPS David K. Thanks for sharing. Wife and I are Rt 66 buffs and got sick of I-40 between ABQ and Flagstaff. After our zillonth trip we found a repro 1940-something Rt66 guide and we used it to drive on every section left of the Mother Road in AZ and NM. Took forever, but we had a ball. Those old maps record the "progress" of roads and regions. We have half of a big file cabinet stuffed with maps. We bought the International Travel Maps waterproof Mexico 1:2,000,000 escala. Looks like a pretty decent map. Any suggestions for Baja California specific maps?? Thanks, H.


I love maps as well... A map is like a time portal to the past!

Get the Baja California Almanac... and the Auto Club (AAA) Baja map. The first is the most detailed topo road map of the peninsula, in book form, and the AAA one is just a handy map for planning, all roads in the map have mileages, and you can highlight your route on it easily.

Obtain at http://discoverbaja.com (Discover Baja Travel Club is in San Diego and they do sell to non-members, or join for a discount+!) or directly at http://baja-almanac.com and the other at an AAA office (if you are a member).

There is also a Nomad who owns http://bajabooksandmaps.com (BajaJudy) and sells these!

[Edited on 11-9-2011 by David K]

BajaBlanca - 11-9-2011 at 09:17 AM

We love the Baja California Almanac - it has such detail !! look for the best price - Les bought it directly from the company and the price was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper - something like only $27.

David K - 11-9-2011 at 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
We love the Baja California Almanac - it has such detail !! look for the best price - Les bought it directly from the company and the price was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper - something like only $27.


Blanca, I think all the sources sell it for the suggested retail...?

Here is BajaJudy's store price:

NEW EDITION
BAJA CALIFORNIA ALMANAC 2009 EDITION
TOPOGRAPHIC MAPS
Paperback
Pub date 2009


$24.95

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I just checked Discover Baja, and their NON-Member price with tax included is $27.15 (members pay $24.xx)

[Edited on 11-9-2011 by David K]

BajaBlanca - 11-9-2011 at 09:23 AM

do you know that I think Les (at the time) looked at Amazon and it was over $100 !!

David K - 11-9-2011 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
do you know that I think Les (at the time) looked at Amazon and it was over $100 !!


That was an older, no longer published, 'collectors price'... since then a new Almanac was published. I buy extra copies myself, as these things can be more valuable than stocks!:lol:

bufeo - 11-9-2011 at 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by David K
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Originally posted by Barry A.
-------interesting David that "Catavina" shows up on the old Gulick/Gerhard map, but not on the Cliff Cross map. I wonder what's up with that?

Barry


Cataviņa was an old abandoned ranch... But, in the mid-late 1960's ..., there was NO Cataviņa...


Perhaps there was no Cataviņa as a place name, but it shows up on my Baja California Map and Guide, Wheelock and Moffett, 1972, and Wheelock describes it as "Arroyo Cataviņa" in the text. That area is also described to me as "Arroyo Cataviņa" in a note from Campbell Grant dated October 1964. Campbell didn't mention any abandoned rancho in his description. The old mission, however, was mentioned.

Allen R

[Edited on 11-9-2011 by bufeo]