BajaNomad - driving time Tecate to Catavina

driving time Tecate to Catavina

volcano - 11-9-2011 at 04:27 PM

entering via Tecate this winter. Is it possible to make Catavina in the daylight? (normally get from Tijauana to Guerroro Negro in daylight, just barely.)

rts551 - 11-9-2011 at 04:43 PM

What kind of vehicle are your driving...and what kind of driver are you.ie straight through fast or stops every so often

volcano - 11-9-2011 at 04:46 PM

toyota pick up....straight through

tripledigitken - 11-9-2011 at 04:57 PM

We do it in 8 hrs in an SUV with 2 gas stops and a misc. short break or two.

David K - 11-9-2011 at 05:00 PM

7 hours or less... It depends on highway construction, military checks, San Quintin valley traffic, your driving...

Best case times:
Tecate to Ensenada is 1.5 hours
Crossing Ensenada is .5 hr.
Ensenada to El Rosario is 3.5 hours
El Rosario to Cataviña is 1.5 hours

Cataviña to Tecate Travel Times

Ken Cooke - 11-9-2011 at 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by volcano
entering via Tecate this winter. Is it possible to make Catavina in the daylight? (normally get from Tijauana to Guerroro Negro in daylight, just barely.)

14 hours is the usual amount of time that I have logged from Cataviña to Tecate including stops.

If you really drive, you should be able to make it, but the speeds you will be driving won't be always safe. Be aware, livestock *and* wild animals such as deer love to run perpendicular to the roadway, making this a potentially hazardous drive during daylight.

Just south of Cataviña at approx. 10 a.m.

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rts551 - 11-9-2011 at 05:14 PM

7 hours or so. Driving time from Tecate is just slightly more than from TJ.

The Jeep Rubicon is the SLOWEST production vehicle on the market!

Ken Cooke - 11-9-2011 at 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by volcano
entering via Tecate this winter. Is it possible to make Catavina in the daylight? (normally get from Tijauana to Guerroro Negro in daylight, just barely.)

14 hours is the usual amount of time that I have logged from El Rosario to Cataviña including stops.

If you really drive, you should be able to make it, but the speeds you will be driving won't be always safe. Be aware, livestock *and* wild animals such as deer love to run perpendicular to the roadway, making this a potentially hazardous drive during daylight.

Just south of Cataviña at approx. 10 a.m.

14 hours to go 76 miles? Usual stops? Oh, yah.. you drive a Jeep! Sorry, I forgot!! :lol:

14 hrs includes military stops, food stops, restroom stops, normal - ordinary stuff.

David K - 11-9-2011 at 05:27 PM

Seriously to go the 76 miles from El Rosario to Cataviña???

Ateo - 11-9-2011 at 06:08 PM

I say 8 hours. You should be fine.

volcano - 11-10-2011 at 07:31 AM

thanks..looking forward to trying this route...wine country etc...and avoiding San Diego, LA, and Tijuana crossing..sounds like it will be fine timewise

Tbone - 11-10-2011 at 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by volcano
entering via Tecate this winter. Is it possible to make Catavina in the daylight? (normally get from Tijauana to Guerroro Negro in daylight, just barely.)

Nice deer

David K - 11-10-2011 at 08:32 AM

Tbone, I think the deer was too fast for Ken's camera... but he showed me the dent in his Jeep, the next day at Baja Cactus...

Ateo - 11-10-2011 at 08:47 AM

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Tbone, I think the deer was too fast for Ken's camera... but he showed me the dent in his Jeep, the next day at Baja Cactus...

Was that the same day it took him 14 hours to get from Catavina to El Rosario? JK. :lol:

Bugman - 11-10-2011 at 12:23 PM

Barring an accident it has always been 7-8 hours at most for me. :cool:

Ken Cooke - 11-10-2011 at 05:51 PM

No, it takes 14 hours from Cataviña to Tecate - including stops for gasoline, meals, a todo hasta la frontera. The deer really damaged the side of my Rubicon. I wasn't happy, but when I past the not being afraid part of traveling to Baja, people are amazed at how close I was to wrecking my Jeep in Hwy 1.

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Tbone, I think the deer was too fast for Ken's camera... but he showed me the dent in his Jeep, the next day at Baja Cactus...

Was that the same day it took him 14 hours to get from Catavina to El Rosario? JK. :lol:

Bajahowodd - 11-10-2011 at 06:04 PM

Can't agree with the 14 hour thingy. What one must understand that from Maneadero South, there are major construction delays. That said, even in the absence of the construction delays, it has been my experience over the last 5 years plus that the traffic from Colonet through San Quintin can be a major factor in slowing your progress. The Los Pinos folks, in particular, have created a major agriculture thing. Folks from as far away as Colonet take the busses to work in the agg business.

All that said, If you are crossing at Tecate in the morning, you should have no problem making it to Catavina way before dusk.

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David K - 11-10-2011 at 08:06 PM

Yes, I see you saw the error on the 14 hour time... I did press you because I was sure you meant from Riverside or maybe Tecate to Cataviña, but surely not El Rosario, 76 miles away!

For most of us, the 300 mile drive from the border to Cataviña is an easy 7 hour drive... up to 8 with construction and military delays, maybe.

Ateo - 11-10-2011 at 08:20 PM

I think they need to make a road from Colonet to El Rosario that by passes all towns.........maybe east of the current road. As Mr. Guero, I authorize this construction. This will save at least an hour.

7 Hrs. = Baja Lies?

Ken Cooke - 11-10-2011 at 10:57 PM

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Yes, I see you saw the error on the 14 hour time... I did press you because I was sure you meant from Riverside or maybe Tecate to Cataviña, but surely not El Rosario, 76 miles away!

For most of us, the 300 mile drive from the border to Cataviña is an easy 7 hour drive... up to 8 with construction and military delays, maybe.

I personally cannot drive fast through the mountains from San Quintin to El Rosario (and beyond). I get scared of the heights since I'm acrophobic. So, I have to drive really slowly through that section which slows me way down. No 7 hour drivetime, and I personally don't know how that is possible, unless you are telling "Baja lies".

David K - 11-11-2011 at 11:20 AM

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Sorry, buy lying is not in my nature... again (from above):
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7 hours or less... It depends on highway construction, military checks, San Quintin valley traffic, your driving...

Best case times:
Tecate to Ensenada is 1.5 hours
Crossing Ensenada is .5 hr.
Ensenada to El Rosario is 3.5 hours
El Rosario to Cataviña is 1.5 hours
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Others you missed reading?:

Bugman

posted on 11-10-2011 at 12:23 PM
Barring an accident it has always been 7-8 hours at most for me.
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ateo

posted on 11-9-2011 at 06:08 PM
I say 8 hours. You should be fine.
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rts551

posted on 11-9-2011 at 05:14 PM
7 hours or so. Driving time from Tecate is just slightly more than from TJ.
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tripledigitken

posted on 11-9-2011 at 04:57 PM
We do it in 8 hrs in an SUV with 2 gas stops and a misc. short break or two.

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ddawson - 11-11-2011 at 11:29 AM

I too do it in the seven hour range.

rts551 - 11-11-2011 at 11:35 AM

And Davidk posted on 11-6-2011 at 11:26 PM

"This is only an option for those casually driving the peninsula and not in a mad rush to CABO or some destination where they are spending their entire vacation (instead of taking in more of what Baja has to offer).

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David K - 11-11-2011 at 11:40 AM

How about the entire post Ralph, as it is I see nothing that changes my driving time from what you, me and others have posted (ie. 7-8 hours). ?

bufeo - 11-11-2011 at 01:48 PM

You guys are a riot. You remind me of my father and his brother who used to spend hours arguing about estimated driving times between point X and point Y.

I sure hope the OP gets a close enough estimate of his question so that he can enjoy the wine country.

Allen R

Ken Cooke - 11-11-2011 at 02:12 PM

I did the mad rush to the tip once, and it wasn't easy nor fun. No stops for photos, no time for meals or restroom breaks, nada. Taking breaks, visiting with locals is how I roll. :yes:

volcano - 11-11-2011 at 02:26 PM

We will be in a mad rush to our cabin out EastCape to work on it for a month...but we always drive safely, and brake for all livestock, potholes, etc. I had thought that route might take way longer than Mx 1...but it seems it is only a little longer. Should be worth the avoidance of LA and a nice change of scenery.
We are not retirees and time is at a premium.

mtgoat666 - 11-11-2011 at 02:32 PM

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We will be in a mad rush to our cabin out EastCape to work on it for a month...but we always drive safely, and brake for all livestock, potholes, etc. I had thought that route might take way longer than Mx 1...but it seems it is only a little longer. Should be worth the avoidance of LA and a nice change of scenery.
We are not retirees and time is at a premium.

how does avoiding los angeles have anything to do with tecate vs san ysidro border crossing choice?

volcano - 11-11-2011 at 02:50 PM

going to cut eastward from Oregon and avoid the worst of the cities in So. Cal.

cranky today?

tripledigitken - 11-11-2011 at 03:23 PM

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how does avoiding los angeles have anything to do with tecate vs san ysidro border crossing choice?

Day or nighttime travel?

Ken Cooke - 11-11-2011 at 03:34 PM

I remember traveling to San Felipe during the 2010 4th of July weekend to camp with David K. Leidys and I left our house at 1 p.m. on Friday, July 2nd and David K traveled the roads late at night - something people on the forums discourage.

His travel time was much shorter than mine, because he wasn't sitting in traffic like I was - which made for a much faster trip. Because of the accidents and incidents I have observed in Baja, I am less likely to drive in the middle of the night.

I also tend to travel much more slowly as to avoid accidents - normally about 55 m.p.h. - much slower than David K has told me that he tends to drive.

I Feel Your Pain, But

Bajahowodd - 11-11-2011 at 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by ateo
I think they need to make a road from Colonet to El Rosario that by passes all towns.........maybe east of the current road. As Mr. Guero, I authorize this construction. This will save at least an hour.

Given the long term plans to create a deep water container ship facility at Colonet, the foreseeable future will likely find any consideration of bypass roads to be North of Colonet to expedite the flow of commerce.

You can certainly blame the Los Pinos folks for most, if not all of the congestion twixt Colonet and El Rosario. Just who do they think they are creating an agricultural juggernaut employing so many? :?:

David K - 11-11-2011 at 05:44 PM

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I remember traveling to San Felipe during the 2010 4th of July weekend to camp with David K. Leidys and I left our house at 1 p.m. on Friday, July 2nd and David K traveled the roads late at night - something people on the forums discourage.

His travel time was much shorter than mine, because he wasn't sitting in traffic like I was - which made for a much faster trip. Because of the accidents and incidents I have observed in Baja, I am less likely to drive in the middle of the night.

I also tend to travel much more slowly as to avoid accidents - normally about 55 m.p.h. - much slower than David K has told me that he tends to drive.

I don't like night driving in central Baja, due to cattle as well as missing the great scenery... It is rare if I do.

However, the border to El Rosario or the border to San Felipe/ Puertecitos is not full of desert scenery I don't wish to miss (seen it hundreds of times the past 45 years)... There is also no range cattle... at least I haven't ever seen them, in these two strips.

Baja Angel has to work to about 5:30, so there you go... we leave as soon as we can. Now, it so happens that we got to Shell Island long before you guys did... You guys drove in that afternoon (after spending the previous night in San Felipe at a motel, I think... We like to camp (except in El Rosario, where Baja Cactus is a taste of luxury on the central Baja frontier, we enjoy)!

On straight, open highways, I drive at a fairly good clip, but not insane... It is a Tacoma double cab, with vehicle stability control (VSC), also called Electronic Stability Control. The most important advance in safety since the seat belt!:

Electronic Stability Control

Electronic stability control, first introduced on the 1995 Mercedes-Benz S-Class, evolved from traction control, and helps to avert a crash by detecting and minimizing skids.

Following safety belts in importance is electronic stability control, Shenhar says. That's because devices such as airbags and safety cells make a difference only once a collision happens, whereas ESC helps to avert a crash altogether. By detecting and minimizing skids, ESC reduces the risk of fatal multiple-vehicle crashes by 32 percent and fatal single-vehicle crashes by 56 percent, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. That's huge, says Joe Nolan, head of the IIHS Vehicle Research Center.

German parts supplier Bosch developed electronic stability control in the 1990s. The first production car to use it was the 1995 Mercedes S-Class. Now ESC comes standard on many vehicles, and beginning with the 2012 model year, it will be a federally mandated requirement on all passenger vehicles.

ESC uses sensors to detect the intended path of the vehicle and determine whether it's starting to skid. The system can selectively brake one or multiple wheels to keep the vehicle on course. Some systems also reduce engine torque to help stabilize the vehicle. ESC is particularly helpful for SUVS prone to rollover. It evolved from traction control, which prevents wheel spin, but traction control doesn't help steer a vehicle back on course like ESC does.

805gregg - 11-11-2011 at 05:49 PM

I make it from Tecate at 7am to GN at 4:30 pm no problem, why stop nothing to see. I did stop the first time in 1973 but now just gun it.

bufeo - 11-11-2011 at 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by David K....Electronic Stability Control

Electronic stability control, first introduced on the 1995 Mercedes-Benz S-Class, evolved from traction control, and helps to avert a crash by detecting and minimizing skids.

Following safety belts in importance is electronic stability control, Shenhar says. That's because devices such as airbags and safety cells make a difference only once a collision happens, whereas ESC helps to avert a crash altogether. By detecting and minimizing skids, ESC reduces the risk of fatal multiple-vehicle crashes by 32 percent and fatal single-vehicle crashes by 56 percent, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. That's huge, says Joe Nolan, head of the IIHS Vehicle Research Center.

German parts supplier Bosch developed electronic stability control in the 1990s. The first production car to use it was the 1995 Mercedes S-Class. Now ESC comes standard on many vehicles, and beginning with the 2012 model year, it will be a federally mandated requirement on all passenger vehicles.

ESC uses sensors to detect the intended path of the vehicle and determine whether it's starting to skid. The system can selectively brake one or multiple wheels to keep the vehicle on course. Some systems also reduce engine torque to help stabilize the vehicle. ESC is particularly helpful for SUVS prone to rollover. It evolved from traction control, which prevents wheel spin, but traction control doesn't help steer a vehicle back on course like ESC does.

You should cite your source when lifting something verbatim, in this case, MSN.com

Allen R

mtgoat666 - 11-11-2011 at 07:26 PM

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so at night with esc you do 4 wheel drifts on the corners ?

Ken Cooke - 11-11-2011 at 09:35 PM

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There is also no range cattle... at least I haven't ever seen them, in these two strips.

Baja Angel has to work to about 5:30, so there you go... we leave as soon as we can. Now, it so happens that we got to Shell Island long before you guys did... You guys drove in that afternoon (after spending the previous night in San Felipe at a motel, I think... We like to camp (except in El Rosario, where Baja Cactus is a taste of luxury on the central Baja frontier, we enjoy)!

David - Did you see the photo of the black Cow (that I photographed) on the side of Hwy 1 just south of Cataviña? It was a real (not Lego) creature.

Be sure to drive safely. Electronic Stability Control can only help control sway and/or static traction so much... :!:

Bajaboy - 11-11-2011 at 09:42 PM

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Toilet paper also protects one from skids..... :light:

Marc - 11-11-2011 at 09:50 PM

Ken, Hook that cow up to the Jeep and maybe you could save a few hours. :lol:

David K - 11-12-2011 at 12:33 AM

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Ken, Cataviña is SOUTH of EL ROSARIO... re-read my reply!

Ken Cooke - 11-12-2011 at 11:55 AM

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Ken, Cataviña is SOUTH of EL ROSARIO... re-read my reply!

David, Cataviña is in the SUBJECT LINE of this THREAD. :light:

David K - 11-12-2011 at 02:35 PM

Yes Ken, and you wanted to talk about my night driving... which is NORTH of El Rosario and San Felipe, where I have never seen range cattle.

David K - 11-12-2011 at 02:36 PM

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Ken, Hook that cow up to the Jeep and maybe you could save a few hours. :lol:

Bajahowodd - 11-14-2011 at 04:59 PM

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I make it from Tecate at 7am to GN at 4:30 pm no problem, why stop nothing to see. I did stop the first time in 1973 but now just gun it.

It is really about personal priorities.

For a number of years, we have made a stop at Jardines in San Quintin, because of their great rooms, great rates, great restaurant, and a wonderful feeling of hospitality. We recharge our batteries in a very Mexican experience.

I understand that there are folks who really feel the need to haul (ass) burro. Whatever floats your boat.

Burro twice? I specifically parenthized my burro because I figured it wouldn't pass muster as aaaasss. Oh. That's right. Software that is designed for church people.

[Edited on 11-15-2011 by Bajahowodd]

David K - 11-14-2011 at 05:04 PM

Nothing to see... nothing to see??? You're kidding, right???

volcano - 11-14-2011 at 06:16 PM

I've "seen" the main route many times, and will enjoy a new route, on my way to my cabana..in the peace and solitude of mid eastcape, not Cabo, pleaze........!